We don't know if they were really 4th since they only revealed averages, not points in 2013. They might have been lower by points. I'm also convinced that Serbia was higher than 12th (televoting) and 15th (juries) since I can't imagine how they would come 11th with those placements.
@@diekommentarekommentiererin the televote and jury ranking is correct. But the points they got combined is weird because it had a very strange point system that year.
@@nialldean9791 You can't know for sure. How did Ireland come last if they were 14th and 25th? Clearly they must have been lower by points in at least one group.
@@diekommentarekommentiererin the televote ranked them 14th and Jury 25th. But the point system was weird that year, they used means and medians and God knows what to get such a weird score. It's on Google how it was calculated, idk don't ask me.
@@yeahnoway111 yes! I was actually so surprised. First by this not qualifying and then by the juries... I guess they just were all somehow collectively asleep at that time cuz they slept on a masterpiece (
I'm sad about Lithuania 2010, Denmark 2021, and Montenegro 2013. They were fun, cool and different, definetly they deserved a place in the final in my opinion.
@@lostfigure3703 i cant find the source right now but it was like a scandal back then cause the belarussian vote was counted wrong (just like in the final) and they would give 3 points to poland making them qualify in 10th place instead of belarus
I really feel for Poland 2019 and Montenegro 2013. The problem with juries is that they´re too small (just 5 people) and the professionals in them each overvalue their own field of expertise. A choreographer is not going to give any points to a non-dancing group no matter how good the song is, and a guitar player is never going to give points to a techno-song. I also think that industry professionals prefer to vote for Western acts, because they feel they would look unsophisticated if they voted for something East-European, especially if it's ethnic and traditional (their voting records are public). In 2021 we can already see that almost all countries have sent in modern Sweden-type songs, as they've always been punished when they tried to represent their own culture (case in point: Go_A also got a low jury score)
I disagree with that, and I think you’re painting a picture of the jury that isn’t true. The juries mostly vote for the “safer” choices, yes, but to say that it’s because “they would look unsophisticated if they voted for something East-European” is ridiculous. Look at Denmark this year, for instance. They came up with something unique, something creative - and they got screwed by the jury as well (they finished 7th among the televoters in the semi-final). In fact, I noticed that many of the western juries gave Russia’s song points this year. The issue with the jury is real, but you’re twisting the situation into something that simply can’t be reflected in reality.
@@emilhaugaard2708 Yes, of course you´re right, but I´m also right. In fact, you could point out that Azerbaijan, Ukraine and Russia have all won the contest recently, so obviously it´s more true that safe entries do better with juries than original ones. But this is so widely understood that instead I wanted to make my point that if Denmark and Albania were to send in the same act of the same quality, juries would vote for Denmark. Russia is not really a strong counter example, since it obviously has a sophisticated music industry due its size, so that jurists would like to associate themselves with it.
@@robertdegroot8302 what makes you say that? Bloc voting is more likely to happen with the juries than the televoters. Russia’s jury gave 12 points to Moldova this year, Azerbaijan gave 12 points to Russia if I recall correctly. Music taste is different in different parts of Europe...
3:15 Fun fact: That bassist is Emil Ramsauer wo was 95 at the time. The more shocking thing is THAT HE IS STILL ALIVE at age 103 (in May 2021) which obviously makes him the oldest contestant ever.
Also known as "Getting mad about the fact that juries killed off a Finnish entry not once, not twice, but three times" (the third one being the best out of these and was 6th in the televote) Juries what do you have against us?!
Switzerland should definitely have qualified in 2013! The fact the the juries put them 2nd to last despite having such an amazing song is straight up disgusting.
It´s almost impossible to sing like Sofi Marinova did in 2012 but the juries still robbed her terribly. She deserved so much more. I want her coming back like Poli Genova did.
So the songs the judges hurt the most are traditional songs like Finland 2010, Montenegro and Bulgaria 2013, Portugal 2014....but fun fact with the new voting system all of them would qualify!
My favourite from each “category” of this video: Televote 10th: Finland 2017 Televote 9th: Bulgaria 2012 Televote 8th: Poland 2019 Televote 7th: Denmark 2021 Televote 6th: Finland 2010 Televote 5th or 4th: Switzerland 2013
montenegro 2013, bulgaria 2013, finland 2017, greece 2018, and denmark 2021 were robbed so hard and deserved so much better but at the same time televoters wanted songs like armenia 2011, netherlands 2012, finland 2015, and lithuania 2019 in the final and then i'm so glad juries exist
I am sure, with the new voting system Takasa, Stoyan&Elitsa and WhoSee would have qualified for the final. They did so well in Televoting but the juries hated them :( Switzerland robbed so many times.
yianna, anna, anastasia, stella, tulia, everyone featured in b&h 2016, fyr or flamme, suzy, elitsa & stoyan, and who see sweeties i’m so sorry 😭😭 in short, we need both juries and televoting
Whoa, I knew some of them didn't qualify because of the low jury points, but I didn't suspect such a big difference between public and juries as there was in some cases!
You all know that juries do NOT vote on the performance broadcast for the public, don't you? An artist can kill it at the public gala and murder it at the jury gala. Not sure if this was the case. Blackbird was sadly one of my favourite entries that year.
There are a few missteps here and there from televoters but as far as I'm concerned, the only thing the juries really did was save us from having Finland 2015 in the final. And in the end, is that worth it when so many awesome songs are being robbed?
Sometimes these disparities are caused by a dreadful performance in the jury gala. I wish "professional" juries voted on the public gala. There are no longer technical difficulties which could prevent this from happening.
I feel like there should be a rule where if u get top 5 with the televote you should automatically be allowed into the final regardless of the Jury vote because Montenegro 2013 should NOT be allowed to happen again
The Televote gave often more attention to creative & not generic songs as the Jurys, witch is very unfortuned. They also voted way more often for songs in native language. Especially in 2013 where Bulgaria, Switzerland & Montenegro would have qualified with 100 % televoting. These three songs would way more interesting qualifiers, than other songs that made it that year.
0:01 Thanks for nothing, juries 😒 1:09 Actually, if we include jury-only points in the televoting, Finland would be a non-qualifier with televoters, while Moldova would qualify with them.
Suzy was really good that night! Jury must be excluded from the voting procedure. They can give a symbolic award to jury's winner and the next year's televoting winner can host the Eurovision.
My favourites: Switzerland 2017, Poland 2018, The Netherlands 2012, Greece 2018, Bulgaria 2012, Poland 2019, Denmark 2021, Finland 2010, Portugal 2014, Bulgaria 2013, Estonia 2017, Switzerland 2013, Montenegro 2013
I found it surprising more qualifiers were killed by the televote than the jury. I can't tell if it's because the jury kept lifting bad entries that the televote rightly shut down, or if it was because we overestimated how much the juries were destroying entries. Like yes, they may have destroyed our favorite entry, but it seems they aren't actually destroying too many. The televote seems to be more one sided too. Like I haven't looked at the split results yet for each year, but I would reckon that jury points seem to be somewhat evenly distributed. Televote points, however, could be lopsided, with the top 3 getting all of the 12s, 10s, and 8s while everyone else is left scrambling for the remaining points. Jury points are much more spread out because, in general, juries are much more cautious. It seems the televote is more unstable than we thought.
Plus the televote is always bias. Sometimes the stage does matter for some songs. Sometimes doesnt matter. Look ate Moldova this year. Stage was meh, the performance was meh, and the only redeem quality is the final note. but still it was so cover with back vocals, we barelly listen her own voice. But once the televote enjoy the song, it give more higher points. And if we compare with other songs that the vocals were good, stage was decente to good, but televote doesnt like the song, it gives less points. Austria was one of those examples. So yes, eurovision does need the jury. Sure the jury sometimes is questionable, but at least it tries to balance the things a little.
