AM5 Motherboards are EXPENSIVE! AM5 Explained 

That's why I am going to stick with my 5800X. The motherboard it's in, sadly, is a Asus Rog Strix B450-f, which only has PCIe 3.0 graphics and NVMe storage..... But, maybe the RDNA 3 GPUs and the PCIe 4.0 NVMe drives wont be any slower, for gaming, than higher specs...... Unless RDNA 3 GPUs run more than 10% slower in a PCIe 3.0 system vs 4.0 or 5.0..... AND unless direct storage technology for gaming runs a lot worse on PCIe 3.0 systems vs 40. or 5.0, ..... at WORST I'll need to upgrade my mobo to an X570..... while I upgrade my GPU and NVMe..... at least I would get to keep my 5800X and 4X8 RAM kit(4600 16-19-19-36)

For a $2,000 build, $250-$350 boards are what you’re looking at.

I payed 330 back in April for a ddr4 MSI Z690 Edge Wifi and it's got 4 or 5 pcie 4.0 m.2 slots and I felt like I got a decent deal. I just had a few requirements I needed and that left me with a mid range board. 1. 2 X 3.0 A and 1 Type C front I/O 2. Optical audio port for my headset and 3. Future memory and RGB capability. Those 3 things really did make the selections limited. Oh and I wanted a power delivery of 15+1+1 or better.

@@Dennzer1 your motherboard is a lot better than mine (asus prime z390m plus) my cpu is i79700kf my motherboard kind of sucks i wish i bought z390 tuf gaming

Yeah I spent $500 on a motherboard in June (it's now up to $600 at the same place I got it). for the features / chipset I wanted there was an Asus Tuf for $250 (cdn) buut i hate that mustard yellow so i paid literally double for an all black one (still asus. yes i could have gone other brands but i like asus hardware...for now). Crosshair Viii dark hero is what I got. What i wanted was the tuf x570 pro wifi but didnt want the gross yellow haha

That early adoption fees and growing pains are going to be crazy

@@jahkareramkissoon419 Exactly. Luckily for some of us we can fork out at the expense, but we money wise, but the smart thing to do is spend it wisely and patienently and not complain Day 1 on something that we could've avoided.

sadly for me i'm tired of waiting, the more i wait the more expensive it gets

@@gglovato But, you can do this, part out and build it later when issue are addressed and looked at. That way you don't need to reset Bios when a Bios update is released for your Mobo. Just be patient and dude, you can shits not going anywhere. Not even released yet.

ALWAYS wait 3-6 months, that is the average time it takes for them to find and work out bugs. Yeah, I know, Moores Law . . .

Unfortunately, no standard desktop CPU has that many PCI-E Lanes. You have to move into the workstation/server (Threadripper/Xeon/Epyc) class CPUs to get enough PCI-E Lanes to make having two 4x4 slots make sense.

@@shadowtheimpure you must be an intel cpu owner since before ryzen, tee hee. sucks to be limited to 20 cpu lanes.

@@aprilgeneric8027 No, I've got a 3900x. I just had a 'slip of the tongue' when I was trying to put Epyc.

@@shadowtheimpure you can have 40 by combining CPU and chipset lanes, but then you have to shell out for the higher end mobo, which is fair imo

@@shadowtheimpure main stream should have 40 this day and age, doesn't hedt today have like 96?

I also get the feeling that ryzen 5000 and rtx 3000 were SO good its not worth an upgrade, I mean you own a console for what, 7 years? A 3080 isn't going to underpowered 2 years after launch.

@@svenolafson3032 You can partly thank the Globalists that want to force us to ''go green''.

@RuDuffEnough WellRu AMD taking major losses? What have you been smoking or did you post this comment in 2015?

@@svenolafson3032 fx8350 still going strong

@@majstealth I iwll keep the ryzen 1700 that ihave becuase while i got it in 2017 sicne 2021 that i got RX 6700XT 12 GB RED DEVIL for 950 euros it runs evrything at max settings 1440p 60 fps which means that there is no reason to change cpu ram and motherboard yet.

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Now you don't need a GPU, support for ECC memory with 4xNVME drives and 8 lanes left for disk/network controller slots would make a nice server system so long as you don't need more than a 64GB memory kit. Using 4 slots can reduce memory speed to DDR4 levels.

True people think you buy only the cpu

But that can be counterbalanced by long term support which AMD has been very good about with AM4

@@Alovon ...because, when AM4 launched, AMD still had everything to prove to consumers. Now, they're on top of the game, so...

@@lamikal2515 They have already committed to 2025+ for am5. I don't think intel ever supported more than two gens on a socket.

@@mrfarts5176 "2025+" can be literally 2 gens though (zen 4 + 3d and zen 5 + 3d).

Same here. Just upgraded from a 3600X to a 5900X on a very good Asus TUF X570, and I couldn't be happier. No reason at all to upgrade any soon, and I mean several years!

@@goytabr I'm not planning to upgrade more than once in a decade after getting a high end zen3 honestly. 5950x or 5900x, maybe even an X3D three years after I first built it and that should be good at least from 2020-2028 on this system.

My cpu is i7 12700k + z690 and rtx 3060

I have a ten year old AMD system. I don't know which CPU I have. The CPU fan has stopped working. Sometimes the computer freezes and I have to close it down. I will be updating to The new Ryzen 7600X and AM5 motherboard probably with B650 motherboard. I will wait until the bugs are out of the system in at least 3 months time. I will get it sometime in 2023 when prices start to come down. I am an AMD fanboy. The main reason is that I like the idea that the motherboard lasts for years before it gets updated. I also like the idea that it is 5nm technology and so uses less power for its performance compared to Intel.

@@goytabr 8 years

Same

I am leaning there as well, to wait for x3D version of 7950x, but minimum price will be $799 according to leaks, maybe more.

No chance in hell are they releasing retooled versions only a few months after launch.

@@michaelgleason4791 If raptor lake is going to beat them like it looks like it probably will and intel is priced better also then yes they will prob ces 2023 unveil the x3d because that would put them over the edge to regain the crown of "fastest" cpu.

Ditto

Yeah I can see Motherboard manufacturers using this for extra storage slots on the board instead of PCIE slots or for those PCIE storage expansion boards at least. Unless they find a way to make their graphics cards stack without needing the devs to specialize parallel graphics is dead. Only other thought is for cheap mining rigs, these probably got designed before the crash?

On my third z390 aorus. Hmm what a coincidence. I'll never buy a gigabyte again

I agree. But be forewarned on Gigabyte products. Manly their GPUs and MoBos. Dear god.

It shouldn't be too bad considering DDR5 has been out a year, the cpu cooler mount isn't changing, win11 has been out a year now, & no consumer products with PCIe 5.0 exist yet. There's not that much that can go wrong. I'm finishing my build on launch day because of necessity.

@@miscellaneousproductions Glad Win 10 still has support until 2025, but even though that's smack dab around the corner, Win11 still has a bit a ways to go before I'm to adapt to it.

Most people will go for AMD, Intel longevity isn't to be trusted or worth it the platform is not good enough for long term.

@@yeejay6396 2025? You must be referring to extended support. Mainstream support ends in March 2024.

@@rknudson1407 Threadripper is/was LGA, wasn't it?

@@jackbui2944 probly.. haven't had my coffee yet

I dont like LGA :c motherboards are less bountiful than CPUs. LGA will make the problem worse.

@@jackbui2944 Your probly right on that... I haven't had enough coffee yet. But I do remember a time when you could socket an AMD CPU directly into an Intel motherboard. That there would really mess with Intel if they brought back those CPUs to take more of Intel's loyal followers..

It was pretty insaner

they designed the B650 boards to be cheaper but the motherboard manufacturers always want a premium on new boards. When B550 came out, I found a good X570 board on offer so it was cheaper. The big ass VRMs and power stages was inevitable with Intel's relative success pushing their CPUs over 200w

What is LGA?

@@RobBCactive intel cpu always power hungry, room heater, just get the same performance as ryzen.

@@fynkozari9271 LGA means the pins are on the motherboard instead of the CPU

@@fynkozari9271 Land Grid Array

They're already out. Seen the 5800X on Amazon for under $250 just a couple of hours ago and the 5600G for around $150. 👍

The 5,000 series CPU’s are already at pretty good price reductions though

@@bretttanton328 they will only get better

That's exactly what I was going to comment too lol

I will stick to what I have right now. 3900x with 64 gig of ram and 3 video cards running 3 43 inch 4k monitors.

You can put a an 3060 in a PCI-E 4 by 8 slot and you would not notice any difference in encoding performance. The bandwidth to copy a frame across is so small. Uncompressed: 3820*2160*4*60=1980288000 in bytes. That's 1.9GB per second. And that is less than a single PCI-E 4 (not 5) x1 lane. Compressed it goes from the PC to the TV through the HDMI cable, so... PCI-E 5 x16 is not needed.

@@DavidAnderson-fr8ii nobody asked

So will this support SLI/X Fire?

Basically AM4 has been there for the whole lifespan of DDR4 (at least on AMD side, who started DDR4 later than Intel), so I expect AM5 to last for the entire lifespan of DDR5 (at least I hope so). So we could very well be able to upgrade our CPU on those boards until maybe 2030. That's why I think the second PCIe Gen5 slot doesn't have to be for a second GPU but just an expansion PCIe that will be the standard for most PCIe peripherals in a few years. And there are less PCIe slots nowadays so it's not even that much of a luxury. Same for the USB4 or the 10GbE. The X670E Creator is a pretty good deal in that regard. It IS expensive but not that much, about 470$ currently, and it might be worth it in the long run. I know very well that financially speaking, it may not be that good to spend more once and keep stuff longer, but it's at least more ecological imo.

Yeah, but that's why I've got mine, and quite frankly given my last board was literally a PIECE OF S%$& Dell OEM board that still made the beeping sounds, it's amazingly refreshing. Basically, Dell is like that PC version of the neglectful parent who makes you overcompensate into eating cake and ice cream all day, and that is why I got my $300 x570 Taichi board. Because now I get to eat post codes and great features for breakfast and dinner. BIOS flashback, my God even my ARGB got fucked for the longest time until I realized I could do a software flashback and it fixed it. I thought the traces or chip itself was blown. It's why I'll always spread the gospel of needing a good board. A house divided cannot stand against itself, and a board is like a foundation to a house, a system built on a bad board will be washed away like the sands of 11th gen Intel.

True. What also annoys me, when buying a high priced notebook, and the Vendor software on it, is some mixture between useless bloatware and some total pathetic programmed Chinese spy software. And you can't even choose. Every Vendor has his own Crapware on it. Just to adjust the RGB on my keyboard, i need to install a bunch of services, which will choke my new system. This went all in some wrong direction. The customers became way too soft and benevolent with the products.

@@janvollgod7221 I mean honestly...it's more a problem on 14nm++++++++++++++ lol. Just because I'm rocking this 4th gen CPU and by God, the f'in thing actually throttles and stutters while I'm just trying to download a Steam license and play a video at the same time 1080p. Which is why you need moar cores. I've stated this a million times probably but basically 4 cores is not enough because it can't use all the other shit you got running on, especially not a YT music video in the background, and then have all that RGB software which yes, I've got one for my mouse, one for my CPU cooler, and another one for my total board output. Plus you've got all these things like GOG Galaxy and Epic and whatever other launchers like Steam on that it can be a real problem, but I'm often skeptical people telling me the bloatware somehow is supposed to hog 8 cores.

B550 slaughtered X570 in performance tuning

Yeah the cost and quality of motherboards took a while to come around, it wasn't till b550 where the cost/preformance value got to such a good point that going B over X was better for the avg person. Now we need to see the next iteration of mass amounts of Usb type C ports and vertical nvme slots with cooling (similar to how 4 dimms of ram can be packed in a small space)

@@scarletspidernz B550 Unify-X was the only real OC board besides X570 Dark until the end with the S boards. But on average even the simple B550 Aorus boards destroy X570 for RAM and BCLK.

Hoping they will put USB4 on B650E boards

Same here, running 3700X CPU 5700XT GPU with 32GB 3200mhz RAM on a Gigabyte B550 Aorus Pro. Don't see any point in buying the new tech.

I'm on a 3700x, X570 Board with a RX6800 might try and pick up a 5900X on the cheap when folk start upgrading.

@@coard123 trying to get a newer GPU. That was next on the upgrade path when the prices took a massive increase. Limping along with an RX470. Thankfully prices have gotten somewhat better and now saving up the money to get the card I want.

Wouldn't bother unless you can find one cheap used when the new chips come out and people foolishly sell all their old stuff.

@@Void-uj7jd Yes, I agree - in a couple of years maybe.

What brands do you think have the best BIOS support?

@@richardjameslucas9501Came here to ask the same thing.

My motherboard came with a pcie nvme card holder

I’m considering opposite lol. Just updated to a 5600x but considering at some point should I swap the cpu for 5800x3d or 5900x, or move to 13th gen Intel at some point.

I am also in this same boat. Currently on a 3000 series CPU and a 400 series board and my next logical step is up to 5000 & 500 series.

Trust me its worth it, I would honestly skip am5 unless you wanna waste a crap ton of money

I’m using AMD 5900x and RTX 3080ti and I’m loving it with my 32gb RAM

@@Nibbles021 yeah you're set for years

I recently got a 5800x for about $300 Canadian so the price drops are already here.

what's the hate against Win11?

@@slizzle.280 Windows 11 is nothing more than spyware. In Win10, I have been able to turn off most tracking and using 3rd party software most of the rest. And I don't have to have a MS account. If you want to let MS have access to where you are, what products, etc, you have searched for, shopping habits, what RU-vid channels watch and so on, is your choice. I have nothing to hide, but I do want my privacy. 2 months ago, Jay did a video called, "Don't let Microsoft get away with this", say no to spying with Windows. There is a large community putting pressure on Governments to at least limit, and control what, and how any information is used. This includes, MS, Google, Facebook and many more. To each their own.

@@slizzle.280 Misoenism. No better than old folks who disdain smartphones. But I will say with each OS upgrade, Windows becomes increasingly invasive and resource extensive.

@@andso7068 good points. Honestly I do get the issues with how invasive and resource-hungry Windows has become, but OTH it’s always been like that

Certainly should be able to go Linux, maybe secure boot as to be off, not sure I did an 11 bypass for tpm despite having tpm 2. Win 11 drove me (after 8 months) from dual boot to just Linux Manjaro. Some of the new GPU features might not be supported yet on certain games/distros, but gaming works fine. There are even 11 based Linux distros. Helped my friend with 5800X build, he's still on Windows 10, and honestly told him he's better off staying there for gaming based off fps comparisons for games we play. I think the new boards are Win11 compatible though. I get the same 165 hz 1440p in Linux Manjaro XFCE as I did in Win11, watch 4k movies. Would suggest virtual box or installing 11 on spare machine (or arch/debian based linux etc) to try out. What started as a dual boot well I was able to game on Linux also which eliminated me needing 11 on my main rig. Like 10, I had to clean 11 a lot to make sure the telemetry was off and it performed well. Linux does have better and more control over updates and a game mode toggle also like 11. Migrating licenses it didn't cost me anything to early adopt 11 and toy with it for a few months, and it was easier to install certain games. Still have a couple of 11 machines around. I hope to do an AM5 build also, likely going more cores next upgrade.

7700x and 6900xt or 6950xt for me because its better than 3080 and 3090 anyway.

And also you get all the matured support from tweaking the initial issues. My first upgrade was to an i7 4790k when the 6700k launched and DDR4 was introduced into the mainstream CPU's. Not only were the DDR3 sticks and the Z97 boards cheaper, but also Z170 had some issues from firmware, RAM compatibility and the infamous "bendgate" since they used a thinner substrate for the CPU. That setup lasted me 6 years until in summer 2021 went with a Ryzen 7 3700X and a MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon. I hope I can squeeze another 6 years of that combo :)

I built a gen 3 i5 build which ended up as a 4th gen 4770 build in 2013 and only platform swapped in November 2019 when I shifted to a B450 build when I picked up an R7 1700 for £80. I waited because up until then there was still issues with DDR4 on Ryzen builds(and because I didn't want to spend £300+ on a chip). By the time I sold off parts from the gen4 build the swap was done for the £100 I spent on the PCB so I had money left to update the storage. I swapped out my 120GB M2 SATA boot drive for a 1/2TB Samsung NVMe and the 120GB 2.5 SATA(my first SSD) for a 1TB Crucial CX drive. I recently swapped out the 1700 for a cheap R5 5500 to freshen the machine up as a stop gap to AM5. IMO the biggest draw of Ryzen is the flexibility and value you can find on AM4. I have had the opposite experience from AMD compared to Intel, on Intel I had no upgrade path after a couple of years where I still have a metric tonne on AM4 nearly 3 years in.

Ehhh yes and no, the MSRPs were already so sky high that none of the deals are particularly impressive to me given that they're now 2 years old hardware right before the next launch and still costing more or less their MSRP, which again I thought was freaking nuts on some of those. You remember what Maxwell and Pascal era prices were, compared to MSRP now, and no that's got nothing to do with monetary inflation that's just sheer greed in the same way a landlord actively plans to charge you a couple hundred bucks more on rent every single year. That's all it is, is a greedy landlord shifting the goal posts. The only thing I was really impressed on with GPU sales was the $700 RX 6900XT I found on newegg, and admittedly even that was like, it's basically just a golden sample 6800XT, even though it's still comparably like a 3090 or not. But yeah, pretty funny seeing things change, 7700k and 1080ti was the shit. Still is tbqh, I'd still not have a reason to upgrade on that system without getting a 4k monitor, which is the only reason I'm thinking of an upgrade next gen. Although I guess a 1440p144hz would be pretty nice too.

@@TheMC1X I'm looking at my 3700x/x570/32gb of 3600mhz RAM as basically a ten year platform. Basically, I get swayed to switch from Intel and pretty happy with it, even though I can't do a real overclock, software is super nice compared to what I was used to anyway with Ryzen Master and Adrenalin. Am figuring a later Zen3 upgrade to 5950x to crown this system, an extra 2x16gb of RAM towards the end of its lifetime, and a 7700XT or something like that should last me 10 years before I even need a new one, and even at that I could probably just get an RX 8800XT or RTX 5080 or something like that and still be power gaming after 2027 unless the world ends.

@@pandemicneetbux2110 I upgraded after 6 years because the TIM on my 4790k dried, so it was unbearable the heat. Also needed more CPU horsepower for work, so I figured it would be a good moment to upgrade. And don't forget about CPU single core perfomance. While on games I thought I was fine with my 4790k, with the 3700X I noticed I gained between 5-15% more frames on 1080p (depending on how CPU bound the game was). From Zen 2 to Zen 3 you'd gain quite a bit on the SC department, but the money would be better spent on a 5800X3D or a 5900X if you do CPU work. 5950X for anything but work is stupid

Agreed. That wood accent piece looks pretty sweet

I'm pretty sure both 7000 and 4000 support AV1 mate

3600 is amazing proc

Right there with you with my Devil's Canyon, but looking forward to the B650 version of the Creator boards.

If you are coming from Haswell, i would recommend AM4 with X570, because it is so cheap & reliable right now. You dont need X670/B650, DDR5 and PCIe 5.0 NVMe, because it is too expensive and therefore not the sweetspot. The money you will save, can go into more DDR4, more NVMe PCIe 4.0 or RTX 4000 and that will boost your FPS even more. This is why you choosed Haswell years ago, and kept running it until today, because it was the end of the line super sweetspot.

In one sense it feels like a scam to say "hurr hurr here have feature to make you buy a whole 'nother card" but on the other, I literally was looking at boards like can this run SLI/Crossfire. But I mean, you actually can still do that anyway, it's just not super effective or stable (they never were super stable and reliable). Like AMD literally didn't even advertise this so I only found out about it through sheer nerdom of tons of tech stuff I watch and read that I found stumbling on accident that you CAN CrossFire your 5600XT or 5700XT. You don't even need the connectors just pop in another one and some games it actually works, which is super super neat. But then yeah, the issue is with nVidia's constant different proprietary bridges that don't work for each other and are super expensive etc. and that they only even offer it now for their highest range cards, which I thought about getting a 2070 super for that very reason. I looked at the 2070 and thought, nah it hasn't got SLI. SLI mattered to me more than DLSS ever will. So I do think that it's scammy that they are still offering it on their halo products, but refuse to enable it on 60's and 70s anymore just because the kind of people to buy those cards absolutely would save money by buying a used second card. All that stated, Jay is basically right. It's so hit or miss and requires devs coding that it's become pretty much pointless. Main reason why it's pointless though? Look at dem thermals and power efficiencies. Can you even imagine Crossfiring or SLI'ing two 450w cards?? That's insane! I guess a 4060 it's "fine" but even still, that amount of power draw is going to be nuts. My 850w already can't handle two 5700XTs without tripping (I have enough other shit going on inside that 450w+ GPU usage is a no go basically).

GPUs are pretty cheap at the moment if you are not interested in getting the 4000 series. The RTX 3060 12gb can easily be had right now for under 400 dollars which isn't an amazing deal, but it is probably as good as we will get unless serious price overhauls occur next gen.

Its a nice rig for playing Fornite. Good decision

I call it the Pentaverate of Bugs. Intel or AMD, this generation is not something I would get even if price was irrelevant. First gen of any big AMD motherboard platform upgrade is also unlikely to be as compatible. AMD only said 3 years of support too, that's only 1 more than Intel, and AM4 boards didn't manage it well with Zen3. 1)PCIe 5.0 2)DDR5 3)New CPU architecture 4)New chipset 5)Maybe new GPU too

@@_shadow_1 "GPUs are cheap" wtf are you talking about

@@darinsteele7091 Please read my full comment for more context, I said later that they were the best we will probably see until the GPU market sees a big overhaul. We can already guess that the 40 series is only going to be worse pricewise than 30 series and scalping will only make that worse.

The price of the 5800X3D wont be dropping seeing as its cache lets it trade blows with the 7800X so long as you get at least 4000MHz CL18 ram for the 5800X3D You will be waiting till 7000 series Vcache launch

@@commanderoof4578 lol sure

Its already down, the cpu launch at 450 dollars and its now at 385 dollars at Amazon

@@Agp1597 Yeah I'm hoping for just another 30 from microcenter the have it for 380. I'm currently using a 5600x so paying an extra 50 from what i paid for it doesn't seem bad at all.

I have the same issue. Got a water cooled set up with a X370 1800x and 1080ti. Going to end up building from scratch when I upgrade.

I know there are some CPU blocks that are already labeled as AM5 or whatever the letters are

5950x here, same; upgrading every two ro three gens seems best for experiencing a real upgrade.

5800X3D here as well (but in a mini-ITX build). Im undecided. I love that my current custom loop can be used to cool the AM5 platform too, but my main concern is power. I got a corsair 750W SFX and adore it, but would it be enough? Also, out of curiosity I looked at the currently available DDR5 on newegg and I dont see the point. Sure the frequency is higher, but so is the CAS latency to the point of DDR4 being faster overall (10ns vs 8.88ns). Im not sure what AMD offering Id have to wait for in order to be motivated to replace my cpu, mobo, ram and possibly power supply along with remaking custom silicone cables. Juice might not be worth the squeeze.

I was an Intel guy, but AMD has been crushing it for the last few years and every generation has significantly improved. I jumped on the AMD bandwagon over a year ago, and I can say it's been a great decision. What do you got to lose!

Basically, just don't expect some real overclocking. It's the only real complaint I have, is that AMD has a habit of calling their turbo boost "overclocking" and not being able to actually exceed that. Which, to be fair, if you're on some later gen Intels, good luck with that overclocking headroom anyway, particularly that 250w+ power draw on Intel, but still. I'm pretty damn happy to be on it now tbqh though, especially because I ended up buying a 5700XT and am probably sticking with their wonderful Adrenalin software and cheaper more efficient RDNA3 so I'm probably going to have a fun time with RDNA3 on x570 Zen2/Zen3 features like Rage mode resizeable BAR etc. So as much as I want to bitch about AMD's complete lack of real overclocking, as much as I was stubbornly in the mindset of "no, Intel is just better" for years, yeah..I'm pretty glad I switched. I'm only butthurt at AMD for jacking prices on everything and taking away coolers, because I love my Wraith Prism stock cooler so much, it's like a real aftermarket cooler in appearance and performance that saved me enough money it was like going a full CPU tier higher for the same price. I think 13th gen vs Zen4 should be an interesting lineup. I'm still skeptical based on losing price advantages, but yeah, AMD's the, I was gonna say "hot shit" or "the shit" but that's Intel lol you're only running into heat problems with 12+ cores. Jay's right, path of greatness may be a bit much, but he's totally right. I still nitpick about things like 5800X3D being a "one trick pony" as I impugned it with heat issues, worse clocks, only works great on some games more than others etc., but AMD is just objectively and factually better in a lot of ways now. I'd just be hesitant to build an EOL platform like Zen3, unless you're trying to get a simple 5600x midrange GPU type fast gaming system, but that's just me (I built on Zen2 partly because I wanted a board with a future, and I'm more than pleased with seeing Zen3 and knowing I can upgrade next year to 5900x/5800X3D/5950x and have a ten year build).

@@pandemicneetbux2110 Well, the turbo on intel core only affects 1 core, if more cores are getting frequency spikes, you get less frequency pumped into them. It's also not static, constant, meaning the turbo only goes for low ammounts of time. Amd on the other hand has a sort of automatic overclocking, the processor pushes itself as high as it can go as long as the requirements are met (temperature, power draw). Many people found out to be getting better results from the automatic overclocking rather than setting the cpu manually, so don't be mad at AMD, you get real overclocking but you get the opportunity to have it work autonomously rather than playing with it yourself.

@@lupuradu My experience has been that automatic overclocking gets me worse performance on Ryzen Master, and that I likewise get better performance on just using a manual undervolt. I swear leaving PBO on degraded my silicon after doing it for like a couple months, but unsure. Feel like it used to clock better and more stably. Anyway, my experience is basically just that undervolting gets better gaming performance because it sustained boosts better from having 10C lower temps than the like 54C "idle" and 60s C gaming on default. So idk, I just don't even think it's worth it without serious GN Steve acumen, as opposed to just setting the clock multiplier and voltage etc. on Intel. Not that it matters if Intel performs worse overclocked than Ryzen at stock mind you, but still. It's a rather petty detail ultimately because Zen3 does just perform better, only I insist it is missing an overclocking headroom and that while true from a literal technical standpoint, calling its sustained boosts "overclocked" is just false compared to the way Intel does overclocking. So as a gamer, would I recommend it? Well yeah, provided X Y Z for your build, but I wouldn't call gaming-only Zen the only choice, or wouldn't be willing to switch back to them for gaming. For AMD its real advantages lay in all that productivity work, and cost. Also efficiency, thermals. Really I'd call it more parity with Intel on gaming and me just complaining pettily about not making my 3.6-4.4ghz go to 4.7ghz when my decade old 3.5-3.9ghz Intel quadcore can go up to 4.7ghz.

@@pandemicneetbux2110 yup, only the people who used Adrenaline know how far Radeon software has come. I have a 5800H + 3050 work laptop, and I don't even want to sing up to use GeForce experience when I can get everything I need without that extra hassle and data collection.

dear god what do you need 64GB of RAM for? are you running a server or something? xD

@@MoonMarshmallow Doesn't have to be a server; having more ram means you can care less or not at all about what you're running, with Windows not having to compress whats in ram this results in a smoother experience that doesn't translate well in video.

@@MoonMarshmallow I use the system for both workflow and occasional gaming. The system can also serve as a backup for my media server. According to my system monitor it rarely uses more than 22-24 GB of RAM, but it's nice to know that I have a larger pool of memory if needed. I would never go with less than 32 for what I use my system for. Your use case on your system may vary...

But why wouldn't you just drop in a 5950x instead? Are all you guys just using this for work and need the absolute fastest multicore processors available, but not so much you'd need an Epyc or something?

@@pandemicneetbux2110 Streaming, video editing, etc all on one PC makes the advantage of 3900/5900 very stand out. Gaming + video encoding at high bitrates via CPU, leaving your GPU open to handle the game is extremely helpful.

Good point? New Ryzen doesn't require W11, that's a Big/Little Intel problem.... and a HUGE No Thank You to Windows 11. This is a standard CPU with Cores and SMT

@@Cinnabuns2009 Reason for W11 requirement might be due to Pluton on AM5. Also, I don't know why you don't like W11. I have been using it and not a single problem I faced.

AMD soy----boy

yeah, amd is doing some fine stuff across the board since they got some money to work with. i also wouldn't put it past amd to bring back crossfire as the mcm gpu's are already bringing up the crossfire in the software, won't be that hard to do it with 2 gpu's from that point.

I get being a fan of certain cars or maybe a phone but being a fanboy of a GPU / CPU is just something i never got.

@@jandegrote1 I always support being a fan of VALUE :) I really don't care much if it is branded Intel or AMD

@@jandegrote1 Its really not anything different then cars, phones, video game devs, etc...

Absolutely agree, I bought Asus Crosshair VI Hero and it works very well with Ryzen 5000 series like a charm. So if a motherboard can last so long, it is worth considering expensive MBs. Specially if it is AMD. I do not trust Intel in this regards.

Who ever said that may be dumb, the CH6 and the Taichi were the best 2 damn boards with the least amount of issues and problems on launch, and because they were widely bought the support for those boards extended and a community that knew their shit helped AMD fix alot of the issues through working with each other on REDDIT. In fact those 2 boards were probably the best investment for that gen, I know alot of peopel that haven't upgradedd yet from those boards and 1700X procs till the new platform. Theya re planning on upgrading this gen in the same way, Asus Crosshair or Asrock Taichi boards because of how good it was.

@@amitjangra6454 Hey I got the same mobo but the wifi version

@@imo098765 i got without wifi, bought some used wifi card from china and it is working fine till date.

@@amitjangra6454 Yeah this. I was fortunate enough to get the last gen boards on AM4 but I guess it wasn't even needed and you could still do it with way earlier boards. There's two things I never want to dick around with, power supply and motherboard. Replacing either of those is such an insane hassle I just don't wanna do it. That, and having to spend the money, because I only believe in building on a rock solid platform and that generally means $170 minimum on your motherboard, which I'd rather not replace too. Plus I just like my board. I really, really like my Taichi stuff. I'd maybe like the colour of b550 Taichi more, and I definitely like the z690 board a lot more but that's a whopping $600 I'm not going to spend for a spinning gear and only 6 SATA ports. Oh it's "down to" $440 now nvm, but still lol. I guess to be fair to the platform, I do like the second USB 3 header, but it's just not worth losing 2 SATA ports.

Wait for 7800X3D in Q1

Still got my x58 i7-990X

My mainboard just died last week for my 1800x on a cheap af b350 board. I got a 1700x in a much better b450 board running 24/7 for the last two years no issues. My mainboard died at the worst time. I wanted 7000 series. Had to get a 5900x on a sale. Such a terrible life XD

@@mitlanderson that's really cool. Mine has been chugging along for many years with no problems. I upgraded the 965 extreme to a Xeon x5675. Runs 4.2mhz easy all day and for almost 10 years

@@coreycarpenter2489 yeah, mine was the 1950x Threadripper. The board and the chip went out. I was so pissed and did not even over clock it. Used for video editing and some light gaming.

@@leewarner9357 I think 1st gen ryzen boards lacked quality. Board partners probably didn't want to put in the effort. It wasn't until 2nd gen (b450/x470) I think that they really started to get decent designs. My new x570 board rocks. Sucks though. Hopefully new boards will last the test of time.

I built my AM4 pc in august 2017 aorus x370 released february 2017, now 5 years later never had a problem. Maybe you gotta wait a few months before buying?

Not much perf ? This is the biggest generational jump for CPU and GPU ever, that will require the ddr5 advantage over ddr4 to work. Its more expensive but its a nuts gen

Not much more performance? Lol 😆

@@SoVeXeN People don't seem to understand so I will make it clear. Dollar for dollar you will get the same or close to it performance from AM4 as you do from AM5 right now. That's why I started with "If you are worried about budget".

@@Boots3962 Was talking dollar to dollar performance. Also, Ryzen 7000 doesn't need ddr5 to work, they are ddr5 only to force adoption (and probably because AMD has some new cheaper AM4 CPUs in the works since ddr4 will be around for a good while yet). Matter of fact current ddr5 is slower than mainstream ddr4. Common ddr4 is 3200-3600 so you would need to get ddr5 that's roughly 6400-7200 to match since the latency doubles.

it's because of the production volume.

Dont get B550 with a 5800X3D that is just shooting yourself in the foot Also X570 motherboards are getting cheaper, the mobo i have is 60% of the price i paid for mine at launch

I iwll keep the ryzen 1700 that ihave becuase while i got it in 2017 sicne 2021 that i got RX 6700XT 12 GB RED DEVIL for 950 euros it runs evrything at max settings 1440p 60 fps which means that there is no reason to change cpu ram and motherboard yet.

@@commanderoof4578 I iwll keep the ryzen 1700 that ihave becuase while i got it in 2017 sicne 2021 that i got RX 6700XT 12 GB RED DEVIL for 950 euros it runs evrything at max settings 1440p 60 fps which means that there is no reason to change cpu ram and motherboard yet.

@@commanderoof4578 my friend has a MSI B550 Tomahawk and said the 5800X3D runs flawless. what is special about x570?

@@Ladioz well you dont get PCIe 4.0 to the chipset so if you have SATA drives a couple USB drives and an NVMe installed on the chipset your gonna be shit out of luck of you multitask I had a R5 2600 and god damn was it annoying 3gbps if i was lucky out of my USB ports of i was copying from my chipset NVMe to USB Raid 0 maxed out at 2.3GB/s which was slower than my max of 2.5GB/s raw while my CPU NVMe got 3.4GB/s (switching the drives saw the m.2 slots as the factor in speed) and so on Just get x570 so you dont have any issues in the future because you dont want to be limited to a single fast NVMe drive ans you dont want your NVMe drive to affect USB performance nor the other way round

Same here. I have a 5950x and I would update to 7950x if was am4. I can't justify the upgrade to am5 now, but keeping an eye on zen 5....more cores and ipc and by then we will have plenty of reviews and options for am5 motherboards and ddr5, probably zero bios issues, and all cheaper (except the cpu itself of course)