Amazon Dump Shocks the entire Market. 

Florida man finally comes to the realization after the 27th Amazon dump that the Bob's really know what they're doing

I love how in the collectibles space we can talk about a year ago ie. “who remembers 2022” like its some bygone era of horse drawn carriages, speakeasys and swing music. It makes me long for the simpler times of yesteryear, like early July.

Your videos are like the only vids on youtube that I can watch the whole video and not remember a single specific thing you said afterward... but like I still find it all interesting.

I pulled a Jace the mind sculptor in 7th grade. I ended up trading him for a school lunch because I couldn't afford it lol.

If you don’t like what Wizards and Hasbro react with your wallet. It is the ONLY thing that they understand and they learn very slowly just like Disney.

One of the reasons people bail is the lows after a frenzied peak. You get used to ridiculous turnover and price appreciation and a slow or even a normal market feels like the end of the hobby.

A little context - The original Kamigawa block was generally terrible at the time in Standard, because it followed Mirrodin block, which saw a tremendous number of Standard bannings due to the high power level. The power level of WotC designed sets used to swing like a pendulum as they tried to compensate for terrible blocks or overpowered blocks on the regular. It kind of started when Richard Garfield insisted on Magic slowing down post-Legends, having been inspired by The Magic Goes Away by Larry Niven. We had 4 full sets of slow, underpowered Magic until Alliances and then the pendulum started to swing gently until Urza's block, when the swings started getting really wide.

24:55 - 26:02 by far the best recap of the last 3 years how magic threw their monopol position. Their cocky "too big to fail" behaviour allowed those other games to grow. MTG is screaming for competition!

11 was hitting the vault. 12 was stealing the art. 13 was shaking the building.

With these deals, I'm gonna be drafting new capenna till I'm 90

I love that your content is really just general finance through the lens of a specific commodity.

I am 100% positive, the reprints are killing the value of any non reserve list cards, ergo killing the game.

Thanks for the financial advice Rudy. I dumped a ton of money into the market and lost 20% immediately. Felt great. Wife is filing for a divorce as we speak so ill be picking up shifts at the Wendys again after she takes half my shit. Cheers

Zendikar block was great. Was able to buy some booster boxes for $90-$95 a piece, and stores were still making $15-$25 a box. My favorite time in Magic, and now...Magic is in my past.

What really is putting MtG into question from a financial stand point is the comparison with the alternatives. FaB and Sorcery seem to be on the rise. They are competing with MtG but the have tighter productlines, in many parts they are still cheaper (amazon dumps excuded) and they seem to be much more customeroriented. Pokemon from my perspective seems to be a much saver harbour, I will buy into this bad era. But honestly there are stocks and other options. Hope your having a good day!

Missed opportunities on the mind? I started playing MtG during Unlimited and totally didn't understand the game rules (long story short, i thought you could only drop a land OR play a card once a turn), so I thought Moxes were worthless - a more easily destructible land. So, back then creatures were king and I met older players who were way more savvy about the game, and I really wanted a Lord of the Pit more than anything.... so one of these older kids offered me a revised Lord of the Pit for a Mox Ruby and Mox Pearl I had and made me throw in a Cyclopian Tomb (another card i didnt understand). I jumped at the chance... decades later and I am still thinking about that trade. :(

What’s the market for old cards going to be years down the road when most of that target market has moved on to other games? Times are changing.

Margins at times have been this bad. But the raw $ cost to fill a stores shelf is getting up there.

I’ve put a large amount of money into 5% CDs that come to term in January 2024. Hard to beat free money.

Remember when people were buying packs to open not horde for years in a storage locker? TCG is tired of it man, they’re gonna flood it out. It’s partially your fault daddy.😊

It makes the "They are game pieces" crowd happy though.

I feel like this is the 20th video you’ve made about this every 3 months over the last couple years now. Rinse, wash, repeat in 3 months. “When all hope is lost, this is where real wealth is made yadda yadda yadda…stick with magic everybody!!”

We are in the age of the Amazon collectible dump. That really says it all.

I'm done buying boxes unless it's Amazon dump. Long live Sorcery

He built the bridge he's living under From his hoarded planechase blunder He's still down there slapping chalupas Until they turn to gold Soon may the tacoman come Creepy Basement Investor Scum One day when the timmies are done He'll buy their cards and hold

I feel bad for the LGSs. They're the ones trying to get by. I saw the saddest thing a couple of months ago at mine. The store owner and his wife are the only employees. He held his daughter's 4th Birthday party at the store.

They oversupplied the market and jacked up prices of the boxes drastically. There are going to be less fresh blood going forward due to demographics. It feels like a cash grab by Wotc before their audience ages out. It would be interesting to get demographics on the player base. Think it’s starting to get top heavy aka more old people then young.

I was a big MTG fan for modern Magic 2015 and above. Spend big and build a nice colection of about 260 Seald boxes. Now i try to sell all of them and re invest in Pokemon and FaB. FaB is special for me becaus i have a nice comiunit her in germany and i love to play the game. Evry one is so positv and happy about the state of the game and LSS.

I think we've entered a junk wax Era with LotR. Pretty much everything is worthless unless it's the 1 good mythic or some rare in the 1/20 case hit foil slot or a #'d card. We're officially dipping into the sportscard market chasing the big product hit, then once someone hits it, the boxes and singles tank, then slowly creep up after rotation.

Rudy as Dr. Cocks and Hasbro continue to siphon the revenues off the secondary market at what point will the bottom fall out of sealed product for Magic. All these reprints at some point have to to be effecting the the sealed product market value of older print runs.

I love Rudy's optimism and believe intelligent optimism outperforms pessimism. And at the same time, we know Wizards goofed when Rudy won't touch the product.

do what do we buy into, then? stocks?

Man, I didn't see anything that I really had to have. It looked like it was just discounted shit nobody wanted.

to the big stores..it's not about revenue...its all about sales volume

I will always find value in sealed draft booster boxes- NOT collector or set booster boxes because the only value is in the singles and not being able to actually draft and enjoy the cards is a big turn off for me. 20 years from now when magic is played in the 5th dimension and people complain that a 5/5 with vigilance for 2 white mana is slow and weak- I'll be drafting Invasion and Planeshift looking at OG foils and drinking vodka prune juices.

Holy shit, did I just hear you say "Twisted Sister"? lololololol. I want to rock too!

Well……..I have some ABU’s singles and some sealed products. Old stuff. I don’t even play anymore but I still love the game. I’ll be keeping it all no matter what happens. For better or worse. I think the MTG market will come back and the value will return. If I’m wrong I still have the cards I love. Now this sorcery game looks interesting. I may try and get some boxes (if I have the money) to not only play but collect. Guess we will see.

Bought 3 DomU collectors for 110 each. Opened one box, hit a Legends Rare and still couldn't break even on the box haha

Amazon is trying to fuck me over with those lotr commander decis

I'm gonna say it here too, my brothers war collectors box I got was resealed and they didn't want to refund me the full amount because I had unfinity in the same cart. I have to return both to get the correct amount back.

I was there for the cruel summer I watched those videos and I did what you said I closed my eyes and just kept dollar cost averaging money into stocks and other investments. Have always enjoyed your content thanks brother

I've been playing mtg for 28 years, and I'll be playing for at least another 25.

they wont dump the same product* via amazon again, but through secret lair bundles :)

Back with Worldwake, MSRP was $4 and boxes were $72 cost for USA retailers. Players didn't realize the power of Worldwake until it was out for around 7-9 months, by which point the supply had dried up. Saviors of Kamigawa had a BOGO by Wizards at one point. Coldsnap was a disaster So many of these things don't play out till later... (for some value of "play out") Then you have Commander Masters or Battle for Commander Legends Battle for Baldur's Gate - overpriced up front, crashed out, may never recover.

I guess I’m just now beginning to realize how much more risk LGS’s are taking relative to back in ‘09 $10 profit not too shabby when it’s $90 a box, but $10 on $400… hell naw I’m sellin feet pics

Mtg is the only product in a gaming store that players demand have 10-15% margins. The average margin of miniatures is 45%

I’m funneling my powder into even more debt-elimination so, when it’s time, more of my future cash flow can go towards vintage MTG acquisition. The prices look juicy but I think they’ll get juicier. I might be completely debt-free by the time the MTG markets get wise

commander is the only reason there is still value in a lot of old stuff

Mostly agree Rudy, but interest rates are high and real estate values are dropping. There are markets down by 30%, even the best markets are down by double digits. Its not 2009 but its pretty bad nonetheless.

Hasbro is smokin crack if they think I am paying that much for a set booter box.

I saved up to buy Commander masters collector boxes. Then I saw the price and that it was only for 4 packs. Im out. This is insane. The product is not worth this much money.

Can we please return to the days of a yearly core set and 3 expansions per year? 🙏

At this point though, is Hasbro just telling LGS's that they know they no longer need them?

Double masters 2022 draft boxes were sold for $355 through Rudy I do believe. These draft boxes are actually cheaper? What gives?

Any news on Amazon rebox scams from the dump?

Where could i buy an alpha box of sorcery?

In 2009 the zendikar situation was night and day from what we have now. Secret lair, draft, set, collector boxes vs just the 1 sealed product. It's not apples to apples at all.

I still think they'll milk it as much as they can before backflipping, apologising and doing something insane for the players like reprinting the reserved list. Nothing against FAB and Im keen for sorcery... But no other TCG even comes close to the complexity/diversity that is MTG that is main stream. And that's why it's so well loved as a game.

I still remember how horrible the Dark and Fallen Empires and Ice Ages were back in the day.

I got into buying new sealed product in 2022. I started with 1x Modern Masters 2022 Draft & Collectors. Got 1x Dominaria United Set & Collector. Grabbed a draft Unfinity box.... But then I lost my job. And I took a face beating on the boxes that I bought as I picked them up around their release rather than watching the markets and seeing if the boxes go cheaper. And then Amazon dump. And then Cruel Summer of 2022. And then M30... ugh. Without extra income I missed out on the really good sets that came out after these. I've been tempted to crack open these boxes just to enjoy the cards... maybe crack something cool to sell. But as Rudy mentioned, Worldwake booster box now is not the same price and feelings that were felt when it was a standard set. This video encouraged me to continue to pretend that those boxes aren't sitting in my closet :)

Cynthia really went from selling cigarettes to crack

It's not overprinting it is price descrimination strategy via customer segmentatio to maximize marginal sales over marginal costs. Its advanced economics. There are thousands who will buy magic at whatever price and won't wait for discounts. They shop through traditional lines and pay heavy premiums. There are thousands who won't buy mtg unless heavily discounted but they are willing to wait. WoTC has to sell direct to get these customers to get at thier marginal price point while maximizing WoTC internal profits but at the same time minimize the window of sales so at to exclude those customers who are will8ng to pay the premium.

There are no such sales in middle europe...that sucks

Sorcery is so fun. Nostalgic game vibes yet modern. ❤❤❤

lol - there wasnt any good magic sale ever on amazon - at least over here 🤷‍♂

I just hope that WOTC uses soy-based inks so that when my collection reaches zero, I can get some good compost out of it because I will never sell it.

0:00 FOLKS~! ❤

Well I guess we now know what product of 2023 WotC is gonna screw up! I guess it's Commander Masters!

Yeah Buddy!

Dude these obscenely inflated boxes with EV below 100$ even sell? I feel like all those sealed 900 or 1000 dollar boxes are not worth shit its just a bubble in terms of what those boxes contain as real value.

Rudy, why are you not buying Cryptid Nation boxes at $300?

The left side of a Pareto bell curve is not low success and the right side is not high success. The only thing you measure horizontally on a graph like that is standard deviations. What you're describing is just a best fit line graph showing outliers and averages

I created a calendar event for 5 years from today with a link to this video at the 32:54 timestamp.

Appreciate your videos man! Keep it up! Always great content!

It just hit me that From The Vault is the precursor to Secret Lairs

15 years later and Rudy still has the salt 🧂

OG Zendikar block was a crazy time. Since RoE was a big set, it was drafted alone. So, there was only a small window to draft Zen and WW. Also, the set wasn't popular. No treasures. I believe they cut production early as well. Then came along SoM block and the birth of Caw Blade. Due to the scarcity, Jace jumps up to $100 a card which was unheard of at the time, especially for standard. SFM was up there as well.

nice one skipping the draft and set boxes Rudy fair play

Kamigawa sets was my fav back then after that set is when i stop playing ..

@22:55 Rudy starts his rap up and continues for 12 more mins

Get a hair-brush that you like, and "scrub" your scalp every morning, or even after you do a bunch of work for circulation. Keep the hair you have since you can't grow back what's lost.

I'd just feel better if Mark Bottomwater would resign in protest. Ya know?

I don't think Magic is very different from other collectibles right now.

Man, it feels even better each day to be a FaB player and leaving MTG :)) ...Thanks to you Rudy, because you made huge impact on promoting this game! ❤️

Less Magic, More Taco. This is the way.

As a collector of mtg, I find these prices out of reach for many people... Although singles seem to be high

All of them will become Dragon's Maze

I was around in the cruel summer of 2020. I was around in the summer of '69. I was around in the ditches of 1914. I was around when Salem burnt. I was around when .... oh whatever.

Rudy: "Don't look at things short-term!!!" Also Rudy: Uses short-term stock performance as 'proof' that he's right

Florida man tells you to buy the top of the stock market 😂😂😂

do you still have any lorwyn or shadowmoore boxes ? those sets were considered bad at the time, but looking back were peak 2000s magic

Imo FAB is the future of TCGs and the potential long term growth is tremendous.

what is the print run and what is the sell rate or sell through? Commander Masters, like the last several releases, is a buy the single product. the price point on CM is so off i fear the devastation it could bring to the local LGS's. Magic is not dead but it's sick and i'm not sure Hasbro knows how sick i is.

Rudy your thoughts on insurance companies leaving Florida and I hope this is not effecting the cost of insuring your magic bunker

Kinda makes me want to horde some aftermath

You are wrong about this being the first commander set to come out

“Hit ‘em again” probably Die Hard - rocket launcher from top deck on the cops trying to breach the building with an “atv” - classic reference Rudy

3:25 no Rudy not slivers

Rudy, what do you think of the TCG Gods Unchained? Iiiiits fuuuunnnnnn! Try it if you haven't yet!

Im buying a rolex Datejust 😊