I’ve been running a 7930x3D system since launch and never experienced any issues in gaming or productivity workloads. If you want a more plug n play experience for excellent performance you go with the X3D cpu. Don’t bother out laying more $$$ for faster than 6000mts DDR5 memory as there’s no real performance boost at all!
Nice video. I had a hard time choosing between the two. But I settled on the 7950x3d because I do a lot of actual work that needs 16 cores. The 7950x3d is basically a 7800x3d connected to a 7800x on the same chip. Obviously it's not that simple. But that's a good way to think about it. Having said that, I am absolutely blown away by the performance. I had a 5900x and a 3080. I upgraded the 3080 to a 4090. I knew there would be around a 15-30% bottleneck depending on the game. I didn't think it was going to be noticeable. And it wasn't a big deal until I upgraded to the 7950x3d. I haven't seen this big of a jump in overall performance in a very long time with PC hardware. (I've been building PCs for almost 30 years now.) But to be fair I also went to CL30 6000mhz DDR5 and the Samsung G8 OLED 3440x1440 monitor. That monitor combined with the 7950x3d and 4090 is something to behold. I saw a 40fps jump in F1 23 and the 1% lows were massively higher. 1% lows are what cause you to see and feel the stutters and jitters. Now they are non-existent. First thing I did was make sure the 7950x3d was properly scheduled, launched F1 23, cranked absolutely everything and I'm getting an average FPS of 170. I sat and watched the F1 23 benchmark in Vegas with rain loop for an hour because I was so blown away at how beautiful and smooth it was. 🤣 I will add that nobody should buy the 7900x3d. That CPU makes no sense for anyone. You only get 6 cores with v-cache. It's more expensive than the 7800x3d and has worse performance in gaming and slightly better performance in productivity work. The 7950x3d is expensive though. But I've spent a lot more on CPUs in the past. Like Intel's Core 2 Duo x6800 Extreme back in the day. That chip was $1,200. 😬
If you install the chipset driver of the 7900x3d (and 7950x3d for the matter) it comes with firmware that scans the current running program to check if it's a game or not. If it's a game, half the cores will be disabled automatically and performance is on par with the 7800x3d. Otherwise all cores will be used. For the price I think it's the best value actually. Given that you use it for workloads outside of gaming as well of course.
@@dangerboy551 I have the 7950X3D and I can tell you in reality it's not always like that. Games using the V cache core suddenly don't do that after a chipset driver update, or the V cache chiplet is MOSTLY being used but still getting badly impacted by some light loads on the none V cache chiplet etc. I have set the max speed of the none V cache chiplet cores to 5050. That way Windows will ALWAYS put all the load on the V Cache chiplet first. It's not the perfect solution, but I got tired of having to check if everything was running as it should, and I only use my PC for serious stuff 20% of the time. Now my CPU is always a bit faster than the 7800X3D in gaming.
Thats wild we had the same setup and moved to the same setup for similar reasons! LOL, I loved my 5900x and 3080 but the 7950X3D has been just incredible for it's efficiency in gaming and power for my CFD simulations and other workloads.
What fps do you get in warzone 2? Thinking about upgrading to 7800x3d from 5800x3d. I also have rtx 4080. Getting around 150fps ultra in warzone 2. Will I see any improvement?
The 7950X3D will consume more watts over the 7800X3D but in production workloads it is actually more efficient. You cannot just compare the power consumption without taking into account how much work is done in that same time. In gaming workloads also - the 7950X3D is not far behind the 7800X3D, in reality the difference is about 20W, its nothing. And I wonder what happens if you would disable the non v-cache cores and play with the curve optimizer, the 7950X3D would probably be as efficient as 7800X3D in gaming, not sure thought, need to do some testing when my 7950X3D arrives :) But yea, it is clear that if you need a CPU for gaming only, and you don't want to tweak it in any way, the 7800X3D is the better choice.
That’s actually a great point, and we’ve been thinking about how to showcase that better in the future. We’ll probably create some sort of standardized workload that needs to be completed, and we’ll use the time and spent energy to highlight that type of efficiency
Hey mate, I am very confused too I just want to change my system with DDR5 AM5 , I am thinking about that which CPU I would need to choice it, I just want to play games and stream sometimes, I would like to buy R9 but is that so expensive for me that's why I am reading people comments probably I'll buy R7 7800x3D.
@@STSYT The 7900 vs 7950 is different layout too. Both chips have CCD's but they are different in config. It's why you see the 7800/7900x3d inch ahead on benches for GAMING but for renders, blender, etc (compiling in unity or unreal game engines) the 7950 slaps it all away. I think for a person that wants BOTH worlds, the 7950 would be a great addition. I have the 7900x, which in benchmarks of all kinds is fast fast fast. the 7950 in cenebench is well, you can look that one up it's wild. 7800x3d vs 7900x3d vs 7950x.
7950x3d with Process Lasso is a beast. Dedicate ccd0 for games and use ccd1 for system tasks, other background task, app or affinity. Yes it is an annoyance to setup but the result is worth it.
Gonna do the same thing, i want to game with a bunch of background stuff still running. My main decision why i want the 7950x3d instead of the 7800x3d. 8 cores for gaming, other cores for browser, discord, etc etc Why do you think its worth it?
I just purchased the 7950x3D and a Geforce RTX 4080 super OC for my next build. This will be replacing my i-5 cpu and GTX 1060. I'm tired of all my gaming restraints. Bring it on.....
Gamer = 7800X3D. Mix Use Game \ Workload = 7900X3D. Mix Use (Streaming + Editing) Max Performance 7950X3D. Overall Intel is less complicated to overclock, draws more power but provides both gaming and workload performance per $ based on the series you can afford. As a side note there are multiple issues on both Intel and AMD platforms related to USB, Bluetooth drivers, WiFi drivers and RAM compatibilities.
wild guess but since its (7900x3d) 6x2 core chiplet setup, the 7800x3d being able to utilize all 8 cores instead of a partitioned 2x6 cores should win, no ?
been stuck on this decision for a while. Right now, in September of 2024, the 7950X3D is marginally cheaper than the 7800X3D (~$10). Most other reviews have the 1% lows going to the 7950X3D, and since I'm a dual screen multitask monkey, I'm leaning towards the 7950X3D. It doesn't outperform enough to pay much more than the 7800X3D for, but seeing as they're so close, I may as well go for it. 1%-3% difference in specific instances isn't going to really be noticeable in any case On paper, it should do so much better. Better single and multi core performance, and having double the cores, clock speeds - the list goes and goes. I just don't get it lmao. But I have yet to put my money on either, so maybe I'll find just the right difference to change my mind before I do. All of the 7000 series are faster than my 5800X, so it's not like I won't be getting a great upgrade either way.
The ryzen 7 7800x 3d is the fastest gaming chip in the world to date achieving 20% faster speed in most games compared to Intel best chips and better than the ryzen 9.. I'd get the ryzen 7 7800x 3d CPU. 4090 4k GPU if you can afford it and x2 32mb 30 cal 6000mhz Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB DDR5 ram it's perfect smooth set up for 4K gaming with very high clock speeds Asus DDR5 ProArt X670E-CREATOR WIFi 6E Motherboards. Runs it all smoothly with a 1200w power supply. Thats what I'm running and couldn't be happier
@@STSYT great content as always. Now, I need to find a suitable cooler for the 7950x3d. Do you think artic liquid freezer 2 280mm AIO would be okay? Or will it really need the 420?
will i be able to cool the 7950X3D with a bequiet shadow rock TF2? And also, i mainly game on my pc like 70 - 80 %, but i also do cutting, designing and something like that. Does it make sense to spend the more money on the Ryzen 9 or not?
If you want a balanced gaming/productivity workload it does make sense. My 7950x3d (non oc) is pretty easy to cool especially if you're only doing one thing at a time. When I'm just gaming, I'm only utilizing the first ccd so the wattage sits around 80-87 so it's like the 7800x3d in that case when it comes to temperatures. But the bequiet shadow rock TF2 is more than enough to cool the 7950x3d even when utilizing all the cores at once.
Good video quality overall and I like your production, however I am just not sure about the gaming tests. I highly doubt people spending 7950x3D money are gaming at 1080p, I would be interested to see the same tests in 1440p or 4k.... I run a normal 7950 and 4090 with a Samsung Neo G9 and love it, I watched your video because I am trying to decide if the 7950x3D is worth swapping over to. If I was building new, I think the 7800x3D and a 4080 would be the sweet spot for mid\high tier builds, and would go with 5800x3D and whatever GPU budget would permit.
Man i dont know how did you get those numbers on siege,or what verison of siege did you ran,but those numbers does not look right. I havw got a 4090 strix oc,7800x3d, g skill trident z5 6000 cl 36,asus b650e-e mobo,and I do not get that high numbers even on the lowest settings in siege. Last test was about 760fps avg. with 909 max. and 662 min. Render scale: 50% Fov 90 Everything was off or.the lowest. So did you set up pbo?,cuz I did not heard that on video,maybe I missed it...
While I primarily game, I usually build PCs for a 5 year lifespan and like to put in the best of what I can/ what I need. I went ahead with a 7800x3D for my usecase. However, I can still change my order and decide what to get still. Would it be advisable to grab a 7950x3D?
@fjallmann nice one man. Let me know how it is. Good choice for sure and has future upgradability! I'm on the 13500 with 6700xt. Will wait it out for a few years and see what happens
I would love to see the difference in streaming on both chips while gaming. What fps is lost on both average and 1% lows. Never seen anyone do that yet. But I bet so many people would watch
Thanks for the review. AMD Ryzen 9 7900X3D is still quite expensive but I am planning to buy in the near future since my i7-14700KF Degraded. I had to go back to my MSI B550 Gaming Plus motherboard paired with AMD R9 5900x which is great CPU for gaming.
See the thing is though if you put these GAMING cpus side by side with an exact same setup, the 7800X3D performs the same if not even better in some games... (in fps)
Hey just out of curiosity since you did no mention it in the video. Did you have a fresh windows install + , Updated bios, updated chipset drivers, Xbox game bar setup? I remember a video discussing a potential issue when switching between the 7 series chips and how the 7950x3d is supposed to "park cores", where it disables half of the cores for gaming resulting in better gaming performance. Without a full reinstall of the system, in the case of moving from a 7800X3d to a 7950X3D the system can still attempt to utilize all cores, thus resulting in worse gaming perforamnce for the 7950X3D since only half of the cores have access to the 3D vcache.
when you say productivity ,does video editing, programming, matter? 7800x3d enough for those tasks? Nice video btw very clear. I'll pair one of these CPU's with a 4080 super but i'll be gaming and video editing in da vinci resolve and also coding
Thanks for your take on which cpu to go for, for just gaming. I was watching jason the pc builder and he recommended the 7800x3d as well due to performance issues with 7950x3d! So weird, why would companies release a newer cpu that just wasn’t improved or efficient than its previous version.
I’ve been running a 7930x3D system since launch and never experienced any issues in gaming or productivity workloads. If you want a more plug n play experience for excellent performance you go with the X3D cpu. Don’t bother out laying more $$$ for faster than 6000mts DDR5 memory as there’s no real performance boost at all! If you’re happy to tinker in overclocking for slightly better performance you go with faster DDR5 memory and an Intel setup.
Should be pretty matured by now. No matter what mobo you get, just do a bios update and it should run pretty much out of the box. I totally agree with your assumption though. When we did pre-release AMD 7000, the benchmarking period was a total mess.
@@AliceC993 you can disable this in the bios, i have as when i needed to jump on my pc quickly before going to a job, id be waiting there for over a minute before it even post. not had an issue since
Yeah, do something that 99% of people will have no idea how to do and basically turn your 7950 into a 7800 and then it "wins" lol. Not to mention Xbox Game Bar is parking those cores when it detects a game is being played which works in most cases. The 7800X3D is just the better option for gamers.
@@PJthePlayer it literally takes 30 seconds to do in bios. Boost clock is 200mhz higher on 7950 vcache CCD than on the 7800. So yes, the 7950 is faster. But if 30 seconds is too challenging than perhaps they should buy Macintosh instead.
@@davidkaneva9674 Lol insults because you don't want to admit the truth. The 7800X3D is better for gaming, no ifs, ands or buts. Every time you want to game you have to reboot, go into BIOS, change setting, reboot, finish gaming, reboot, go into BIOS, change setting reboot. You have fun with that lmao especially considering the performance difference between the two is within the margin of error.
Can someone help me please. I am building my first PC and i don’t know wich cpu i should buy to pair with my rtx 3090 to get the most out of them for 1440p gaming without bottlenecks.
I will keep my 5950x built for productivity and replace my gaming built 5800x with the 7800x3D in a year. I almost only play cs2,, so it’s a no brainier. Ty for the video.
@@STSYT I must make a correction, though. Star Citizen is not an ideal benchmarks for long term comparisons because the game is still in early access and they're constantly regularly making engine changes, optimization and adding new features between versions. Like it's possible in the next version they're going to simulate something that doesn't exist in the current one so the performance is going to take a hit. But it's still interesting because the it's able to utilizes something that Zen 4 CPUs have and intel CPUs don't.
Doesn't Arma 3 only use 1 core or something like that? I don't think cores beyond 4 help with Arma... But with that said, the higher clock speed on 7950X3D will be better for CPU limited games right? Lastly, I am hoping Greyzone will love the 9750x3d.
7950x3d should even be better than the 7800x3d as it has higher frequencies (5200 vs 5050) on the 3d vcache die and more L3 cache. Sadly it's more complicated than that. 7950x3d is a little bit more difficult to setup and use than the 7800. But I still think that if you can afford it, even for pure gaming go with the 79050x3d. (I've both and still can't decide witch one is the best for gaming).
I am trying to upgrade from a 3900X to a 7800X3D or a 7950X3D and I guess the only real difference is price point and availability for me. If both are the same price, then I may as well get a 7950X3D then.
It sucks that none of these reviews uses process lasso (w/ gamebar and gamemode off) to test the 7950x3d on CCD 0. Although it is a hassle to setup at first, it will always outperform the 7800x3d in games
For pure gaming the 7800X3D is great, silent and easy to keep cool, but if you want a more flexible setup go with the 14900K as it delivers in games and all applications, including single core tasks, emulation and AI. Power consumption in idle and low workload is also better, so if you surf or do light office work on the system a lot, you may even save money compared to AMD. Task scheduling is much better on a 14900k than on the 7950X3D, so Intel saves you a lot of headaches. There are a few games that also have problems with E-Cores and could profit from something like Process Lasso, but you don't need it all the time to get the best performance.
@@jorgegonzales9042I’m with you. Have a 14900KS and less than 5 months, have had 2 of them because they both kept crashing. Uses so much power and I have really good specs too and it still crashed. Had to down clock it just to run games. What’s the point of spending the money and can’t use the whole performance. So I’m switching to AMD as well until Intel figures their shit out
Unsure how I stand on this. On one hand, I understand where you’re coming from, and I wonder what would have happened if AMD went full 3D cache and focused on making the product as a whole perform better everywhere without wasting resources on making kinda two separate types of products work. On the other hand, what if 3D ccds would have never reached 7950x/whatever non-3D performance. That would have tanked the whole lineup, except for gaming.
X3D vcache was built for gamers, otherwise they should have just focused on improving the 7950X so they werent easily beaten by 13900K. AMD needs to go all out on everything, especially with flagship products, x3d and non x3d.
What about durability? I want to get a 7800x3d but I'm afraid that even in gaming it will be obsolete in 2-3 years and is it not better to overpay for a 7950x3d in that case?
The 7900x3d can only uses 6 cores, one 3Dcache enabled CCD for gaming (not 12cores) due to its design, where the 7800x3d uses all its 8 cores on the one CCD. Ironically this makes the 7800X3d a little faster now for gaming and more future proof for gaming. If you really are running true productivity workloads regularly as well, sure go 7900x3d.
Didnt you know of you disable half cores that gaming performance goes up to the 7800x3d I think it has something to do with using more cores with the 3d vcache I heard this from zwormz gaming
This is a bad one sided gaming test for these CPUs, these CPU's are being tested at max settings in game and the rtx4090 is bottle necking both CPU's here. For competitive gaming, you want to turn the settings down to low with all eye candy settings off, here you will see the 7950x3D will get much higher FPS in most all games than the 7800x3D because of the much higher 700mhz clock speed and bigger cache size. Bottle necking CPU's with GPU's because of max graphics settings is not how you fully compare test bench CPU's properly. If you simply remove the GPU from the equation, the 7950x3D is much faster than the 7800x3D in gaming.
@@Easyduz8 buy faster ram. If you bought a 4090 and skimped a little on ram, you’re leaving some performance on the table. A cl30 kit is gonna be better.
@@mehmedrastoder2245 it’s literally perfect. You’ve got top of the line gaming performance and really good processing performance. You can stream and game at the same time on one PC, edit videos, render. It’s perfect - it’s what I have.
For pricing i think 7800x3d and 7900xtx for 1200 dollars this summer was best deal, it is cheaper than a 4090 or 4080 with more performance with SAM and overclocking, in the couple games i play the 7900xtx is faster than 4090 and combined with SAM and a overclock it is a nice bit faster, combined with the price of being 25% cheaper for a. GPU+CPU together and getting a total system of CPU GPU MOBO RAM for the same price as a Nvidia GPU, that is insane, you can build a top tier system with close to, to better performance than using the 4090 or much more than a 4080 for much less money and the drivers only increasing the performance of AMD GPUs, i have a 5800X3D and 3080FTW3 ultra with a lovely overclock making my entire system a grade above stock performance, the -.30 CO giving me low temps and steady 4.54-4.89ghz boost clocks and ddr4 3200 at 3466 cl16 and +1400 +165 on GPU it performs in the top 1-10% of the same hardware. Shows performing above expectations when tested. I dont think ill upgrade systems unless a wonderful deal pops up on 7800x3d and 7900xtx or 4080/4090 they would have to drops like 400 dollars or more and cpu would habe to be around 300-350, so i think ill wait until next generation of hardware as a upgrade now to anything less than the best would not be a upgrade or so minimal it wouldnt be worth the money and time spent on it.
This is all nice and the 7800x3d is a good processor. But you kind of bottleneck the 7950x3d and all besides of gaming you suck very hard with the 7800x3d. The 7950x3d is simply the better CPU
Nah not really. If it comes to gaming, the 7950x3D kinda sucks compared to the 7800x3D. The 7800x3D has 8 cores where all have got access to the 3DV cache. Now the 7950x3D has 16 cores but only 8 cores have access to the 3DV Cache. So if you're playing a game (99% of them don't utilise more than 8 cores) and Windows chooses to use the 8 non 3DV Cache cores you end up with much less power than a 7800x3D could offer you at the same time. Of couse you could deactivate the 8 non 3DV Cache cores but then you could literally just buy a 7800x3D. Until this problem isn't fixed 7800x3D is the way to go for gaming
@@Linkyboy_13 Well dude I don't give a flyin shit about the 7800x3d because if so, I would have bought it, you know? Did you read my comment? It's good for gaming yes, but I need more processing power for other tasks than gaming and there the 7800x3d definately sucks. And games? I have a 4090 and play them in 4k resolution where the CPU is almost irrelevant. Also latest AMD chipset drivers changed things between 7950 and 7800. But you can keep watching 2 year old comparisions in 1080p and keep thinking you're the smartest potato on the farm cause the 7800 has 10FPS more in some games. Also I'm a fckn gangster and you'll find out for sho if you ever step on my toes loool 😂 Have a nice day
1:15 of course the 7800 running half the # of cores as the 7950 uses a lot less power. To be useful, this should've benched the cache-local ccd cores vs the higher clock cores, along side the 7800 results, then the all cores vs the 7800.
ahh not exactly, when gaming the 7950 uses ONE CCD with the 3dVcache containing six cores, so in actual fact the 7800X3D uses more cores (8) for gaming. This is also why the 7800X3d edges out the 79050 in gaming.
This is why 13900k is still better. Because you don't deal with all the drawbacks of reducing cores for gaming and productivity. 7950x3D should have had 16 cache cores, and it would steamroll Intel 13th and 14th gen. But AMD is not playing this card, it will cancel most of 7800x3D sales
Most gamers do not use their PC for "true" productivity workloads so for most gamers the 13900k is not better . I just decided to switch to a 7800x3D and I do the odd product task, the 7800X3D still easily beats my near 5 year old I9 9900K it replaces in productivity, 100% fine for what I use it for. Obviously I prioritized gaming where the 14900K is slightly slower, uses a crap ton more energy, runs hotter, more expensive and is a dead platform with no upgrade path.
True, for pure gaming the 7800X3D is great, silent and easy to keep cool, but if you want a more flexible setup go with the 14900K as it delivers in games and all applications, including single core tasks, emulation and AI. Power consumption in idle and low workload is also better, so if you surf or do light office work on the system a lot, you may even save money compared to AMD. Task scheduling is much better on a 14900k than on the 7950X3D, so Intel saves you a lot of headaches.
The 7950X3D does exactly what it is supposed to do, and outperforms the 7800X3D slightly in games, and vastly in productivity. The fail here is that the things is much more complex, requiring users to know about OS schedulers. And upon initial release, MS Game Bar was not working very well, so cores weren't getting "parked". Which is a bad design. Gaming while running other software is very common. I've heard Game Bar is working better now, but a more optimal scheduler like Process Lasso with CPU Sets would be best. Of course your average user probably isn't going to do that. So the issue is that it actually can perform as best-in-class but not with the crappy MS designed scheduler. Perhaps simply too complex a CPU for most, but not accurate to say it doesn't outperform the 7800X3D in all areas when set up right. So if you want to grab Process Lasso and set it up, get one and set it up with something that far outclasses Game Bar, or hope Game Bar updates have made things better by now ( I have no idea, I use Lasso). Or just get the 7800X3D if you primarily game or 14900K if you primarily are productivity apps or if you are split down the middle, so you can be lazy and not need to rely on a better scheduler / MS app like Game Bar. Sorry... that's a lot, but accurate.
@@ethancbaker2002 the 7950x3d is built for gaming just as much, with the ability to also be better at general productivity. However it is complicated and sadly requires more knowledge and effort than most possess or want to apply when it comes to their setup. I stand by my original statements based on my knowledge and experiences though.
@@kurasoe yeah but the 7800 is better for gaming overall cause of trh less cores. Look it up bro everyone says that the 7800 is by far better than the 7950 at gaming
@@ethancbaker2002 I disagree with your assertion and those reviews obviously. A lot of people do because they don't use a scheduler besides Windows default / game bar which is insufficient. I'm saying they're wrong. But most users would do the same thing. Plopping the card in and running a game is going to result in such reviews. My benchmarks are way better. Shrug.
Come on.. think like this.. If a person just build PC just for gaming.. he or she got the luxury of most things.. for those people, spending more wouldnt be much a problem.. 7800x3D worth only on gaming.. But for those normal people.. who use PC for other things.. mostly homework, project, and many2 more... 7800x3D become shit.. here MY can get around RM1.6K.. there a lot more other option.. 8 core 16 thread with that speed wont do much nowadays.. with Computer engineering became popular among students bla2.. go watch nexus gaming u can get a whole lot more data to compare
