AMD's Non X 7000 Series CPU Benchmarks. Are they worth it? 

They give you the prism on 7700 and 7900 but 7600 has wraith stealth

please myy dear make respect. he no always hungry. to be honest i look four video and he look more xcelent today and four this is so proud four my father. he look same but no mustash. more xcelent he have mustash four my father.

I'm pretty sure even my 5700x is faster than a 1920x...

@@vyor8837 I'd figure, but do you have 64 PCIe lanes that you don't use...

@@Galileocrafter I use most of my PCI-e lanes :V

While efficient at load, what about electricity consumption when idling? Doesn't the chiplet design with a separate IOD inherently demand higher minimum power than a combined chip?

Is that even visible outside of the processor hardware?

@@mytech6779 yup, non 3D ccd will boost clocks much higher

Better to wait friend, amd fucked up the cooling on those cpus big time and gives me ivy bridge flashbacks. I really hope they change the design for Zen5/6. Also 4K gaming is really still not a thing for newer titles unless you go to massively expensive territory which sucks since 4k monitors make fonts look so good. I have a 5800x with a 6900xt and 14 cl RAM which still struggles a lot. But I am not seeing myself buying a 1200W psu to power those newer components. Hopefully in a few gens things get more up to high resolution displays without a system drawing 1000watts while gaming.

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I hope Intel does the same with graphics cards. Nvidia’s market dominance has hurt everyone.

@@sinesaii I have a full AMD system, 5800X3D and 6800XT, and it works wonderfully. The 6800XT is a worthy competitor to the 3080.

X are still the better binned chips. So if you have to choose, for the same price, get those, while the resellers are dumping their stock right now! It really depends on the silicone lottery, but I'm amazed by my 7700x's performace! I gave it an undervolt of -38 all cores, Fmax set to 5750 and PPT at 84-87 W (roughly). It's very efficient!

Why AM5 over an existing used threadripper system with used boards that have exactly what you want? RAM would also be way more reasonable (I assume you need a ton of ram?). What do you need that is new in AM5? More importantly, do you k ow where I can get a google Coral for a reasonable price?

You mean 7700X, because 7800X doesn't exist. If AMD released an AM5 APU based on Phoenix, that would work much better for what you're thinking. Similar cores, but 12 CU RDNA3 iGPU, and lower power overall, because monolithic die, rather than two chiplets (CCD+IOD).

At idle 54 watts??

@@tilapiadave3234 You know that 54 watts 24/7 will cost you around $5/year at average electricity rates, right?

@@tim3172 WRONG. $73 of those American things assuming 20 cents per kw/h

Have you build your pc?

i dont think they will become go-to parts because they're sub-par performers in multithreaded. which isn't really all that important but the people willing to drop high end gamerbux on a cpu are probably not just gaming, they are streaming or doing vr shit, which according to my coworker is pushing a 5700x to its limit. i'm not sure that the 5700x3d is filling a market segment that people actually want or need - it's basically a modern 9900ks but in a world where the market doesn't want or need that.

@@Cheesemonk3h most streaming use two PCs though. 8c can still do it fine. And higher core count parts will offer more cache. And gaming wise 8c X3D part just makes sense if you are not going lower budget.

​@@Cheesemonk3hthere is a 7950x3d with 16 cores in the mix

What cooler were you using to reach 52c?

@@Noel_573 corsair icue h150i elite lcd xt cooler

I have no regrets whatsoever. Try undervolting it! Mine really loves that.

X varients are better

This. With a combination of virtualization, Linux, occasional code compilation and sim gaming. It's the only chip that makes sense as a move for me from the 5950X.

pretty much the same (even potentially a worse bin)

Wow, I pay 14 cents, and that is the highest ever (Chicago, central US). Are you in Europe?

@@sinesaii Germany. Stadtwerke Flensburg. Used to be 25 cents before the war and the collapse of the French nuclear industry.

Nope. Everyone gets this wrong. The X are more power efficient than the non-X, when undervolting both.

yes

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never mind. just heard it's C

Ram isn’t too bad now, the problem is most certainly the boards. They are hugely expensive in comparison to the previous generation.

Huh? Power is cheap in first world countries and anywhere it isn't there are politicians that need hanging. Anyways, if you REALLY want power efficiency its more about how many cores you buy than what brand. My 3300x won't use over 55W even overclocked to 4.5 all core. Also, Intels aren't that thirsty, they just look bad when pushed to the limit because they are capable of bonkers clockspeeds, but for gaming loads and at an idle they are actually more efficient than AMD. Ill be going back to Intel because ill save more keeping my DDR4 and on motherboard cost than power savings could net me in 10 years. And just in general, normal people don't load CPU to 100% all day. Those numbers don't mean anything without context. Gaming power draw with a normal GPU limitation is far more relevant.

@@eclipsegst9419 Well I live in the UK and this year my bill is 5X higher than last years this winter so far and the only thing keep energy prices down at all is the government enforced price caps, Which are artificial and going to result in sustained high prices for the foreseeable future to offset any losses from the current cap enforced. Socialism is great until you actually try it because that is what price caps are, socialist economic policy. It's not core count per say but core distribution because of the chiplet architecture design. because 4 cores per chiplet, Which is also why the 6 and 8 core models draw similar amounts of power because they both require 2 chiplets to house the cores on the SOC. Saying that if they squeezed out a 4 core variant of the 7000 series that would be interesting. Interestingly I have not seen enough data yet to see whether intel is actually more efficient overall or say majority of instances in just gaming, But nobody is really doing the work either so no surprises honestly. Problem is certain games favour intel and others AMD which muddies waters further as this is normally down to platform specific optimisations, Like limiting games to 2 too 4 cores which most was an optimisation targeted towards Intel CPU's in turn knee capping even more AMD's pseudo FX chips which were not that good to begin with, I stayed on a phenom II true six core because of all this and never lagged so far behind the intel chips that required me to upgrade, Then I jumped on the Zen 1600X naturally but this was back when electricity was actually cheap, so I could just keep oc'ing my phenom II to keep up in terms of raw single core performance so efficiency did not matter in the same way it does now. I agree with what you saying overall, it is context dependent in terms of use case and workloads and how they tax the hardware. Cause yes gamming workloads are inherently different to productivity in this regard. you will average less heat and power consumption cause like you said most games do not pin cpu/gpu to a 100% 100% of the time it's running, usually, normally lol. some games just don't bother with optimisations at all and the best thing to do is to just down clock the gpu to stop wasting power in those scenarios. so you see what I am saying here while I'm not jumping on Intel just yet I'm not ruling them out either, As there are hardware combinations that yet to be released and tested this generation being why.

@@eclipsegst9419that’s a very narrow perspective. There’s a reason it’s being called the energy crisis and it’s not because the price changes are limited to developing nations

@@TheOriginalJAX That is just insane. Your politicians got you here by pretending to "be green" by.... buying Russian natural gas..... Remember that i suppose next time you vote. Anyways for me the price/performance of the platform is what counts, and as a DDR4 owner with 32gb at hand, that's clearly an Intel this time round.

@@TAP7a Its called, European countries decided to virtue signal about "being green" By shutting down perfectly safe nuclear plants that create 0 carbon emissions, and replacing them with Russian natural gas. Pure idiocy. Vote them all out.

It's almost like AMD designed them to run targeting thermal limits, or something...

As usual they trying to rip people off on Amazon go check the price on R9 5900X and 5800X3D

That refers to the models with a letter X at the end (7600X, 7700X, 7900X, 7950X).

@@DynamicBits yes, but why do they have x's? What else does it tell you?

@@DrewIsFail X is the high-performance version of the series... sourced either from XFR (eXtended Frequency Range) in Ryzen or simply because the competing Intel chips had an X: i9-7800X, i9-7820X, etc. It means as much as the "F" meaning no GPU, "T" for low-power, "Z" for ultra low power "P" for (???), on Intel etc. etc. etc. or U/H/HK/HS on AMD's side.

@@jefferyG499 thanks, that makes sense.

My dad sent me a link to something showing AMD releasing an AM4 chip with Zen4 cores strapped to the 5000 series I/O die. I have no idea if that would even be possible or if AMD would actually do that.

@@pkt1213 my guess is the chiplet design is pretty modular. I think its quite viable to mix and match some of the tech, so why not? !!

@AdmV0rl0n I guess anything is possible. It would really be if the juice is worth the squeeze. With the absence of lower cost mb, it would be good for AM4 users with existing boards and DDR4. Probably hurt AM5 adoption though.

How many of us really need an upgrade anyway? If I buy anything, it will be a graphics card.

They don’t need to reduce the cpu price. They need to stop gouging AIBs for their chipset pricing, and incentivize them to not sell AM5 boards for double the price of equivalent LGA 1700 boards. All these CPU releases are just smokescreens to distract from AMD’s inability to compete in platform pricing overall