Actually surprised that Intel performed as it did vs AMD. Was expecting the Ryzen model to be miles ahead. One annoying thing about the AMD version is that it (bizarrely) does NOT have the HDMI port, which the Intel version does! The AMD version instead has an additional USB-A. I've not seen the AMD and Intel versions of the same laptop have different ports before (notwithstanding USB-C vs Thunderbolt) and the HDMI is a lot more useful than a second USB-A.
Yeah it is weird. What I’ve seen is Intel seems to be usually mid priced. Shipping for my dad a 2 in 1 for around $500-600 an Amd ryzen is far better on sale. To get the same Intel machine it’s like $700-800. And then go up to the $1100-1300 gaming laptop and it’s Amd. It seems like Intel laptops are the basic which I mean they are. Intel has the history and long term manufuctor relationships and brand name in the normie mind. Theirs also a lot of Intel obscuring the actual performance. I see a ton of u Intel based laptops which perform far worse than Amd u cpu. And the p versions like the 1360p is more like an Amd u which is their lowest end not the hs. What’s insane is how flexible the hs is. Be it the 7940hs/7840hs or the 8940hs/8640hs. They can be 15-28 watts low powered laptops/2 in 1 and even switch like gaming handhelds to ultra powered mini pc with a ton more space and high powered gaming pc with 4070-4080 class gpu. Intel technically can perform better on the bleeding edge desktop 300+ watts and single threaded but Amd is way better across the board and it’s only when you go above 200+ watts Intel starts to get a slight lead which is an insane load. For reference an m1 MacBook uses like 15 watts all included screen cpu memory etc. Even a ps5 takes 200-220 watts and the more efficient series x uses 180 watts. A cpu by itself having to pull 300+ watts to outperform an Amd cpu only in cpu benchmarks. Real world it’ll essentially never win due to thermal issues and architecture designs that make actually programming for p and e cores properly hard.
The AMD Slim 7 Pro has been on sale at Costco for I want to say $1100 or $1200, which I think makes it an even better value. I'm honestly surprised that the Ryzen model wasn't significantly farther ahead in battery life.
Yeah, most other reviews show the 12700H barely getting more than 4 hours of battery life. Its likely that he only measured battery life for watching youtube, which uses only the integrated GPU. If he had used a CPU based battery life test, there would have been a huge difference, with AMD having nearly twice the battery life.
Wow... $1200 is a great deal! However I will always go with Intel over AMD for as long as Intel has Thunderbolt. Even if its $100 more. Because being able to use a Thunderbolt dock to run multiple displays, multiple other peripherals (keyboard, mouse, mic, webcam, ect) on 1 cable is what makes it the ultimate portable workstation. Without Thunderbolt, its just a laptop.
@@Android.Paranormal fair point. Thunderbolt is great but I read somewhere AMD laptops do have thunderbolt 4 support although thunderbolt 3 with amd on laptops is hard to find.
@@Android.Paranormal no!!! the AMD 6800HS model has USB4 silly! which means it has thunderbolt 3! intel just has thunderbolt 4 over it, so get the AMD one!
Great review as usual Josh. I have the 6800HS version. Massive discounts on these in the UK recently. Got mine for £1100 with student discount. Lenovo screwed up thermal paste application out of the box so it was hitting 100C and throttling. After I fixed that, it runs great and if you stick it in iGPU mode, battery life is great and almost no fan noise in normal office tasks. Great laptop
Do you have the version with 32GB LPDDR5? I would be very interested in the performance difference of the 3050 vs the 680M iGPU in scenarios where the latter can actually use 8GB of fast RAM as VRAM. And existing benchmarks suggest that the 3050 with its 4GB VRAM and small die itself isn't so hot for gaming, except in the literal sense.
Hi Josh, thanks for briefly getting into the integrated graphics, as I believe we are finally at the point where they are actually usable for 3D gaming. This is a huge win for netbooks, as a power-hungry dedicated GPU in my opinion has no place in a device that minimizes power consumption and offers limited thermal headroom. I would be very interested in a direct comparison of the RTX 3050 with the integrated RDNA2 680M graphics of the Ryzen chip. Yes, the dGPU still wins in raw performance, but the 3050 actually doesn't do well in gaming benchmarks, so the gap should not be huge. The really interesting tests would then be performance vs. power draw and fan noise, as I believe the tradeoffs in this regard do not work in thee 3050's favor. There are good reasons why other devices that have to strike a similar balance, such as the Steam Deck and PS5, all go for AMD's RDNA architecture. It is a damn shame that Lenovo refuses to sell the Slim 7 Pro / Pro X with 32GB of RAM without the 3050, as I believe this would be a great configuration for many use cases. 32GB GDDR5 would allow the iGPU to "borrow" up to 8GB as VRAM (twice as much as the 3050 offers) without concern for available memory. But at least you have the perfect device to run these tests on.
If you guys are having issues with random AMD laptop lockups, try replacing the stock Wi-Fi card with an Intel one if it isn't already one. It fixed my Legion 7.
I got the R7 6800HS version , it was a little bit more expensive i'd like but it's running cool and quiet and will be enough for what i bought it for. Happy with it so far. Need to run those benchmarks tho , to see if HW is all good.
Thanks Josh, once again great presentation and to the point and perfect and honest. Also you cover my interested and important area of temperature, fan noise etc.
Thanks, great video. The intel version is on sale and now cheaper than the amd here in Sweden, I never do heavy tasks for a longer period of time anyway, but I benefit from a snappy processor in shorts bursts, for running code and such. Also, I think the intel version might work better with ubuntu which i often choose over windows. I've considered the legion slim 7i as well, but i prefer the 14 inch models. Great channel, your reviews makes me a more informed buyer. Thanks!
Great videos! I found your channel and I love it. I wanted Macbook Air M1, however it was still 950 pounds. So I’ve just bought 2022 Yoga Slim 7 13.3 inch - AMD 5800u, 2.5K IPS display, thunderbolt ports. I paid only 600 pounds. Bargain! Very good quality laptop. Itunes and Icloud are working not bad on Windows laptop to sync with my Iphone 13P. That was my best buy this year. I would love to see review on your channel.
Hey josh, I'm a student and looking for a laptop with great battery life that can do a little bit of gaming (lol, csgo, overwatch). What do you think about zenbook s13 R6800?
Frankly this alleviates any trace of buyer's remorse I may have had about your 2021 recommendation, the Yoga Slim 7 Pro. The 2021 non-X model is just a much more balanced machine perfect for both using on the go and at home. Its screen's higher refresh option is frugal enough to just leave on all the time and its resolution is the perfect sweet spot for me, with the pixels already practically invisible. Its performance is still great, and it doesn't sacrifice battery life, thermals or noise to achieve it. The only area where it tangibly lags behind is the graphics, but trying to fit a dGPU in this tiny form factor honestly just seems to do more harm than good, making the machine a bit of a jack of all trades. Perhaps the iGPU-only version of the Pro X would fare better, but the versions tested really don't seem particularly compelling.
Thanks for all your reviews! Could you review the new Acer Swift 3 with the i5-1240P? It’s the most affordable Intel 12th Gen 14 inch laptop at the moment, has a non-glare screen and you can add a second M.2 SSD!
I have the same problem with my Intel version of the slim 7 pro x. Fans already kick in when starting windows (loud), make 1-2 minutes noise and then remain silent (off) in web browsing tasks. But when watching 1080p videos they kick in every 2-3 minutes and then they aren’t silent like you’d expect but loud. It seems that there is no „silent fan mode“. My previous Acer Swift was silent and when the fans went on during low demanding tasks they were barely noticeable.
Hi Josh! Your videos are always fantastic! I wonder if you evers chose to review the Huawei matebook 16s... from my pointer of view it is a great laptop
Fan noise seems to be a big problem for the 12th gen Intel. I‘m still looking for a silent 14 inch laptop below 1000$ with a good but non-glare display and 16GB RAM ☹️
@@patrick.771 yes. I m also wondering if only this particular unit keeps making those noises or is it the same with all the units of this particular model
@@aniruthsaravanakumar4296 I own the slim 7 ProX with the i5-12500 but without GPU. In office and web browsing it is silent (fans off) but under load they get loud quickly because there is no very silent fan mode it seem.
@@patrick.771 Hi, I'm planning to get the same - is the fan noise too much of a deal-breaker for the i5 version minus the dGPU ? Unfortunately, AMD option isn't available for the Pro X in my country so a toss-up between i5 & i7 really (thought of opting for i5 for somewhat better battery life...)
I am thinking of buying this Yoga slim 7 PRO AMD 5 660HS. As you say in your video, I have found several comments onthe internet talking about the noise that the fans make, apparently, several users report that the fans turn on constantly in light tasks such as browsing the internet, mail or even at rest, making a rather unpleasant noise when turning the fans at full speed. Has this been your same experience? is it a problem like they say or in light tasks such as email, internet or youtube the computer does not make noise? I would appreciate your recommendations to make the final decision. Thanks
The display is great but it has an issue that oftentimes is overlooked. It looks amazing at maximum brightness with really high contrast, but compared to other devices the contrast really goes down a lot as you lower the brightness, more than other devices. This makes it less nice to look at when using in the evening or in a dim place.
i currently own the i7-12700h version, but i'm honestly thinking about swapping it for the AMD version. My wereabouts only allow me to buy the r7 6800hs version though. If i went for that CPU, i would be able to pick up the 32gb ram version instead of my current 16 gb ram, for the same price. Is the i7-12700h much faster than the r7, or would i experience the same sort of speed when browsing and using office?
I got the AMD version a couple of weeks ago, and I'm getting random freezes (fully freezes, had to hard reset it every time). It has every windows update & driver update. Is this something normal, or I'm just unlucky and got a defective unit?
Why would it be normal? Either way hard resets can cause hard drive corruption of system files so you might want to try reinstalling windows from a usb drive created on another computer before RMA
Same with my Legion 5 Pro. I tried so many drivers, factory resets but it didn't work so I got the laptop replaced and the new unit has the same issue. I ended up giving up and selling it. Never buying Lenovo again.
Clean install Windows and all the drivers again. Then install Cinebench and run benchmark repeatedly. If the PC continues to freeze, contact the customer support.
Looks like there is an issue with the thermal paste application on your Intel model as is widely reported. It makes no sense for the cooler to be unable to sustain the same heating load, these are basically direct die on a laptop too.
Hi, I have just ordered the LENOVO Yoga Slim 7 ProX 14.5" Laptop - Intel® Core™ i7, 512 GB SSD, Dark Teal Anyone else using this? Any feedback? I’m not too good with the tech 😵👍🏻
I need some help. I’m a research scientist with heavy coursework and I’m a gamer/content creator. Thus, I need good memory, be able to use multiple tabs/things at once, good CPU, I’m not too worried by the fan noise or heat (unless it causes very very slow functionality), I need to be able to edit clips/videos and also stream using software like OBS. What laptop do you suggest? PLEASE help me out. Please and thank you
I was just looking if to buy the AMD version (no dGPU) but I was sad that you had only gotten the intel variant for review. After knowing that the gaming laptops have high pitch fans mostly, I'm trying to find a laptop that ticks all my boxes with 6000 AMD with the very nice integrated graphics. My only issue with this laptop is the 14 inch size, I don't know if I want to stay at 14 inch laptop size. Gone from 13.3 inch laptop to a 14 inch laptop I'm using currently Have you thought about reviewing the Thinkpad Z16? I'm quite intrigued by the laptop but I'm really bummed about the non QHD option (and having no fast refresh screen) But I might just wait up for 7000 series laptops, there really is no laptop in the market atm that ticks all of my boxes
@@LeRatVisseur Ahh I didn't specify. The Thinkpad Z16 is a 16 inch laptop. I'm looking into 16 inch laptops. If I will not pick a 16 inch one, then it's gonna be a 14 inch one, no bigger, no smaller
@@BillWoodJr Hmm, I also found out that the trackpad is the style where it clicks only on bottom half. Thats a huge bummer for me as I like to click on the trackpad without thinking about it
Hey Josh, thanks for your fantastic analysis as always. I have a question about the AMD model. I'm looking to buy a new laptop soon and I'm hesitant to go for an AMD model due to the lack of TB4 connectivity. I currently have a 2018 intel laptop that's hooked up to a USB-C dock (I don't even kknow if it's TB to be honest) that is connectted to a keyboard, mouse and single 1080p monitor. I will be buying a 2nd 1440p monitor at some point, so my question is could the 7 Pro X (AMD) run a dual-monitor plus keyboard plus mouse via a non-thunderbolt USB-C dock, or would I need a TB solution for dual monitors?
If you are only concerned with display output and data (mouse, keyboard, USB) thunderbolt isn't needed. The AMD models supports DP 1.4 alternating mode, pd & USB. So your dock should work fine (if it's based on DP 1.4). TB is mostly needed when u need high throughput, e.g., external GPU etc.
Hey my comment was in the video (it was a joke btw.) also I have the intel model. There are bunch of things im kinda concerned about.. but one thing Im confused about is it normal to have a super smeary display (slow response time)? especially noticeable when dragging the white cursor over a black or gray background. I hope I didnt get a defective display.. their is also noticeable graininess when close up (mostly for white backgrounds)...
I hope someone with the laptop can confirm if their display has similar characteristics.. Also a tip I found for the intel Model to match the AMD gaming performance is two disable two of the performance cores (or all 8 the efficiency cores) in the BIOS.
Surprised he recommended AMD when the new Intel 12th gen has better performance & identical battery life. I saw another review that had the Intel version cooler than the AMD version. Josh must be bias towards being an AMD fan.
i would like to see daainchi resolve timeline performance with 8k 60p 10 bit footage or 6k 60p 4k 120 10 bit from z9 a1 gh6 r3 r5c red v raptor 8k 120fps cameras.
Have you noticed a grainy look, like picture noise, with these screens on light backgrounds? I get this on my AMD version, and was wondering whether this is normal, caused by an anti-glare panel under the glossy screen, or a fault. Any insights? Other laptops I have with glossy screens don't have this.
Hi Josh. I bought the amd ryzen 7 version after your review. Everything seems okay, however there is a problem when connecting to an external monitor. I use usb c to hdmi connector, and the optimus software is behaving funny. Some processes can use the discrete graphics, but most of the apps that I have configured in control panel to use the nvidia graphics still use the internal ryzen graphics. Does anyone have the same problem? If so is there any solutions?
I really like this laptop I wish it has a 3050ti instead of a 3050 but still I'm impressed how good the gaming performance considering the form factor. I might buy it
from my terrible experience with intel again and again, I really don't care how good they got... I just bought a asus rog g15 with ryzen, let me tell you! I will never go back to intel. I don't remember a single machine with intel that didn't crashed... so far my amd is soild at so many tasks. even back when I was trying to game, amd integrated r9 m370x saved me! I played batman arkham night at 60 fps medium... even tho it was a macook pro running windows 10 with intel, amd took the crown
Its not great no. Please keep in mind these are the H series. My video on Friday this week will have some much longer lasting laptops with U and P series processors
It's not about price. Apple silicon products are the least versatile and least flexible products on the market regardless of how fast they are, due to software limitations. Hundreds of programs are now incompatible and forget any sort of gaming and, you can't dual-boot or use Virtual Machines. What's all that power for? Final Cut pro?
@@user-vw6bk4pb4l I guess you haven't seen his other video comparison, nor have ever used the macbook pro 14. Yes you can't use virtual box, but there are other options and more on the way. The power + battery efficiency just blows the others away.
What is all that power for? Mac OS can't even run full Microsoft Office. Excel is a toy and lacks features like smart macros. More on the way? That's my point. Right now for many of us the cons outweigh the pros. It's delusional to think an Arm MBP can replace most Windows/Linux workflows. No arm SOC today can beat a good x86 CPU plus dedicated GPU for my workflow.
@@user-vw6bk4pb4l I have never seen anyone complaining about running Excel or Word on Mac until you. At best this is coming from someone who has never you used macOs before. Unless you are a gamer or m1 doesn't support your primary work app, no x86 processor can compete. x86 processor is inherently flawed. Unless they can change the power draw issue, unplug and run multiple apps + several chrome tabs, you can only use for a few hours. Also, you don't speak for the "rest of us". Most people would enjoy better battery life, good display, keyboard, and quite fans.
The AMD version is clearly the better laptop out of the two for most users and obviously rammed home by being cheaper. I still would pay the extra for the MB Pro 14 Pro M1 as that offers great specs and better efficiency.
I hope it's OK if I correct this. Apple's M series is the only processor right now that I would classify as efficient. There is a big gap between Apple and both Intel and AMD. I have a big video coming out in the next 7 days that will show this. It's called Best 14inch Laptop
It seems unless AMD wins single-core performance the Intel version PCs will still be very lucrative. Purely because not that many applications utilise AMD's strength. Apple went their own way and made a huge jump in the power efficiency but I feel like now we'll be seeing only slight improvements in performance for years to come on Apple computers. Still, their achievements will be more than appealing for regular users for many years. If Intel sticks to their hybrid architecture CPU strategy and kick Microsoft in the ass for Windows to take a real advantage of it, we'll see new battery life and performance miracles on Windows laptops in 2-3 years.
AMD win in power consumption, battery life, IGPU and the price too. Intel push and power consumption and hotter to make look fast to AMD. And more expensive what a joke to Intel hahaha macbook ah no want care you cant play games and code with that sh!!!t laptop for apple waste of money.
