Americapox: The Missing Plague 

Yet hexagons are not honey, they are made of wax. Hexagons, still the bestagons.

@@noinfo101roblox2 :O

@@noinfo101roblox2 you can't build a civilization on wax alone too

@@User-jj1ng have you tried?

@@User-jj1ng of course you can, if you put the wax in hexagon formations. M

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And yet it works because here you are

No, it's just that it sees more people watching this video and then sends it out to more people. Repeat.

Jonah Nichols figures

Yep

Thats why we got beer and wine. People used to drink (quite weak) beer all day, cause even a little bit of alcohol means that there are no germs in your water.

@@535phobos wow, thats interesting

but the drunkness' is worth it right ?

@@jintanarawdsukumaal3000 It was quite dilute. It did harm people in the long run, but they didn't live as long as nowadays anyway

@@535phobos more that the production of alcohol involves heating the water, which kills the germs. the amount of alcohol in "small" beer wouldnt do anything to germs

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@@nenmaster5218 Based

I thought syphilis came from the New World? Or at least that is the prevailing theory.

@@8ofwands300 yes. But it's like the only disease that come from the new world that somewhat affect the old world. And syphilis came no where near the destruction that the old world diseases had (small pox, influenza, bubonic plage,...).

@@duycuongnguyen6300 I realize that ...perhaps because it is sexually transmiited. AND I guess there is even some question about this hypothesis based on some British archeological digs of a pre Columbian monastery with well- preserved remains of Dark Age monks that show signs of advanced syphilis.

Bump. Also, John, Last Week tonight tore pennies up!

+vlogbrothers 'You don't have any tasty snacks, but in compensation here's a load of lethal diseases. You'll be grateful a few millennia from now, trust me.'

+CGP Grey Please do listen to him, I think a lot of people would appreciate the effort.

As Jared Diamond explained in his book, the problem the New World had with respect to plant cultivation is that it is not very wide, compared with the Old World. Plants tend to require a specific climate to thrive. But in the New World, when when great crops like potatoes and corn, which could potentially support large populations, were first cultivated, there were not many places with the same climate where the cultivation of those crops could spread to. That severely limited the potential of agriculture for ancient civilizations in the New World.

+vlogbrothers Hey, it's the owner of VidCon that Brady talked about!

Hexagons are the bestagons!

HEXAGON CULT RISE

Pretty sure it was a civ reference.

This is actually an updated thumbnail.

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The problem with this theory is that the paleo Indians had dogs with them when they crossed the Bering Strait, and when the Europeans contacted them. There are still a couple of these breeds around, even if the European genes have taken over, largely. Anyway, if there was any herding instinct left in the Ameridogs, it could have been used and intensified, just like in Eurasia/Africa (except for the problem of fewer people in the Americas than in Eurasia, so fewer chances for that stubborn set of herders to train them right).

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@@Egilhelmson the dogs from america and Europeans dogs are the same dogs, just they were separated for a long time

Patient zeros of those diseases are like some kind of nega-Dream

@@chebic5095 yeah, just imagine how you must feel when your little trip to a market in some random country exposes the whole world to a massive pandemic.

Yeah imagine eating something almost nobody eats like a bat for example and catching some new sickness

@@igorwojtyna2158 Why does it feel too relatable-

@@igorwojtyna2158 It was from WHCDC lab doing gain of function studies.

You mean chickenpox?

The Legend Heard of a joke.

maybe not but you can look it up, known as the Great Pox or Syphilis.

Booooooo

Get off the stage!

They used the hexagon

@@theeclipsemaster the bestagon

@@featgoose972 YES!

They didn't.

@@mrosskne do you hear that sound? That's the joke going over your head

Yep, know an Arab dude who's family raises camels, he told me the same thing camels can be temperamental but they can also put up with a lot before getting nasty.

weirdly... Camels' ancestors came from the new world ... llamas are camelids also.

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@@nenmaster5218 Best I can do is sam o nella

@@baranjan6969 ??

Based on the internet, I'm pretty sure those germs would kill you if they saw a spider the same reason most people would burn down their house if they saw a spider

Sounds like Logan Paul is the black death

@@PramkLuna if there are spiders inside me, fuck it I'll burn myself alive

My spider sense is tiggling

Bold of you to assume I don't want to burn down my house.

Time to crack open that civ launcher and give it a try 🤣

*ahem* minecraft 1.15 *cough*

@@chairwithoutwheels9148 Worst update ever

@@TitaniumSteelGreatest i agree i hated it, but worst update goes to 1.17

@@chairwithoutwheels9148 wh- why??

Also Muskox were a native species of bovine in Alaska and the Canadian artic but were over hunted in modern times. They've been reintroduced. Point is there were opportunities for domestication. The ancestors of our domesticated animals were just about as large, nimble, and powerful as these native species.

In world history we watched the show they made on the book, great to see it mentioned and some of the points it covered that this didn't

He read guns germs and steel to make this video, judging by conversations on his podcast. I don't totally agree with the theories of the book but I think grey has reduced it well.

Guns, Germs, and Steel is pretty outdated by modern Anthropological standards. Some of Diamond's theories are no longer considered correct by popular consensus.

That seems like a pretty weak theory

@Are You Going To Do The 'Ora Ora' Thing? ora ora what

I have no idea what the previous thumbnail was or that it changed, and I'm probably not alone in that aspect.

@@peperoni_pepino i remember it was like an old world map.

@@parallax5543 Ah, then this is a pretty large change. Strange. I thought it would be something Covid-ly offensive.

@@peperoni_pepino i think cgp grey is just trying to appeal to newer audiences by changing the thumbnail.

@@parallax5543 I feel like that has to be it. It definitely got me to watch the video again

We got lucky.

But that is most likely how we got Covid 19. Theory is that wildlife habitats are being destroyed in China to feed the ever growing number of slaves to feed the Chinese economic miracle. Those wild animals are forced onto rural arable land where they defecate and urinate their germs for us to catch. Somebody just has to not wash their hands before eating and bingo it's in a human being who will take it to a town then a city a factory and then abroad.

extraordinarily rare means that, given enough animals and enough people and enough time it WILL happen

​@wantafanta01 Every group of scientists that have looked at it agree that it's a naturally evolved virus. Lab-created viruses look incredibly different. Also bioweapon viruses typically wouldn't be designed to kill less than 1% of the population...

"Why is there no Americapox?" Syphilis: "Am I a joke to you???"

Be! 🤪

Gold.

@Il Portico Dipinto A Shepard might use a dog to herd the sheep into a location.

"Wake up! You're all just sheep!" "Well....yeah." "Oh. Right."

Best thing I ever let was the wolf to get that big ole bite... sheep ain't all that bad... check out what's in the wolf...

The dog and the sheep never tried to hide it though. Conspiracy theories are just a search for meanings in a meaningless world. There are down to earth conspiracy theories that makes sense. Like the U.S trying to keep democracy down in the middle East because they know the people hates them and would never trade oil with them if they were put in charge. If you can justify a theory with a profit motive it's strong.

bruh if grey used a pun in a video his vibe would be over

Miles Kuma yo clearly haven’t seen his recent videos

@@mileskuma4448 8:33 you are wrong

If only he had known about Plague Inc.

maybe it's because this kind of humor is sub par?

And wrong. As Balkans, North Africa, Middle east and Asia can attest. That's an experiement run 5 times. It failed on all but western Europe. My take is Philosophy (and taking it seriously) was the special sauce of the west. Phil puts thinking prior to the ego (or the thinkers motivation), providing the birthseed for law, politics, economy, sicence etc. And still, having it isn't a guarantee to success, as most of those regions had access to philosophy's style, but none other than the west took it to heart.

@@Untilitpases Yes , the medieval scholastics developed the modern style of scholarship , hyper-abstract meticulous close reasoning ,citing sources ,etc and made - notably Thoma Aquino -very persuade arguments that not only did every area of have substantial autonomy each other but also that every field of scholarship had substantial autonomy from each other. The society that relative to it's resources devouted more to it's intellectuals was medieval Europe via the Roman Catholic Church. The medieval universities and many of the monastic orders consumed a substantial amount of quite limited resources . Medieval Europe was not technology stagnant -the moldboard plow , while neither the waterwheel or windmill was new the systematic massive use unique , the stirrup , while iron wasn't new production on a scale where rather than being hideously expensive high-tech material for military and occasional luxury display it was the most common metal was unprecedented , the horse collar which allowed plowing the same amount of land in half the time at half the feed cost , and allowed tansportation of goods at twice the speed of the alternatives was a medieval European development . modern science is a straight line development of medieval natural philosophy , The innovation was going from careful observation to meticulous arranged circumstances for meticulous , ultra-close precise observation that allowed replaced of some ratio by precise numbers . Galilean inertia is medieval impetus theory with some ratio replaced by a precise number .

That's a Bold Claim.

Everyone always thinks all of human history was leading up to their specific point in time, which is the most important to have ever been and will ever be.

@@AlwaysSomeone That's one of the wisest comments I've ever read on YT. I have to note that somewhere.

Well so did Bill Gates in a Vox interview but nobody really believed him

I get what you mean but in all honesty a LOT of people did predict coronavirus. We'll have another one again before a crazy amount of time passes.

Lmao he explicitly says in the video that plagues are less common these days due to modern sanitation

My takeaway from that is we should just stick to cattle domestication.

@@alexandertownsend3291 Look up heck cattle. Scary milk suckers...

anyway those are bisons not buffalos

"Ever try to manage a herd of llamas in the mountains of Peru?!"

yea that's why new world was lesser deavolepd than the old world

Its a bit misleading though. The real issue with llamas is not so much that they are unruly but that they are just less useful. The produce less and do much much less work than old world animals.

Muhajir the Obama lama drama.

Drama Llama is my spirit animal lol

TO HELL WITH THOSE PEOPLE!

Complainers will always complain

As a part-deaf Newfoundlander, being told i'm talking to loud/fast is the norm for me

+Madelyn Miller ikr

+Madelyn Miller It's not the same people complaining, you know that right..?

wolves can not be domesticated, dummy.

Don’t complain now, get your herd of kookaburras and have them pull a plow.

Bad in different ways, as far as I'm aware Australia is actually lacking in the "Tank with hooves" department and is more about the "venomous arms race."

tbh the aboriginal people basically domesticated the wildlife in a broad sense of the term

America (both continents i mean) has far worse animals coming from an Australian. We just have some deadly snakes + spiders and some cute but half braindead marsupials. They have bears wolves moose big cats and a plethora of deadly snakes and spiders that only have the power to kill 5 men per bite instead of our 6

@@kingt0295 man i love that i live in canada where we don't have many deadly snakes/spiders, but i guess we trade that for a lot of powerful beasts

+Riley Johnson You have no chance I heard they have wings.

+Riley Johnson RIP

+Riley Johnson I believe you mean an American Buffalo, aka Bison. Normal buffalo come from Africa.

+Brett Tady and Asia

+Riley Johnson I can domesticate a beer, just hold my buffalo.

CIV V ftw

Who else hyped for Civ VI this November?

...settlers of catan

WOOHOO!!!

I remember wiping out a whole continent by lining up a huge line of infantry and tanks.

pleasepleasePLEEAASE

Mimzy Spire My life needs it.

+Yue Tian Siah Agreed

+Yue Tian Siah YES omg please! Grey if you are reading this i am begging you!

+Yue Tian Siah Yeah, he's got the money to do that just laying around. Purchase that IP grey.

Was Earthworm Jim Jude Law in the dream?

Javelinas (peccaries) are a new world pig like animal the Mayans domesticated

This deserves more attention 👏

Also Guinea pigs! It was a staple for the incans and It's still consumed in peru

So you're telling me the most useful domesticable animal in the Americas prior to contact with Europe was one that proto-Native-Americans brought with them all the way from Africa?

Oh wow very fun fact thanks

Damn, haha

If only the native american had that chance xD

@@skipp3252 Well they did in the millions of games where I turned the Aztec empire into the world's most dominant militant country.

SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME

der Skipp they did, since natives didn’t arrive in the America’s until they crossed the ice land bridge in Russia, the bridge that is now underwater.

Spenfen honeypolis hey that's pretty good!

Can we ride battle bears?

owbu yes

I go

Funny thing is, if this Honeyopolis plan succeeds it might just save the entire human race

Prince Thunderflare Snape……

*to

200 points to Slytherin for the explanation

Yeah ravenclaw is the only house smart enough to understand that

DEATH TO THE STORMCLOAKS!!

Those who don't learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.

Which falls down given that middle east, north africa and asia all had access to the same animals. But when the west came, they were severely underdeveloped. (Writing from the Balkans, we had all the ingredients yet none of the results.)

Obviously it has to do with both but this domesticatable animal point beautifully explains so much of the disparities between civilizations.

Imagine if america progressed first

Benja Pizarro That’s very unlikely but if it did then the mainly European inspired countries of North and South America would be replaced with mainly native ones

@@goldeviolets4314 yeah, imagine a native culture but whit years of economical progress, damn, how would it be

Native american didn't even invented wheels. And most of the "useful" animals took the old world hundred of years to domesticate. Dog came from wolf and wolf is one of the most dangerous animal in wild but the old world still made it. The theory just doesn't hold it very well

+TheJman0205 That's because it got reporter and isn't showing up

+TheJman0205 Because you didn't delete it and it's not showing up.

+TheJman0205 Oh, sorry I thought you meant reply. Then it's probably because nobody has replied to or liked your post.

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plagueround ftfy

You savvy human being

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God dammit barb!

Well ok SANS

Lenny Kenny 100% agree.

This is what everyone had for domestication, everywhere. And they did it. The Siberian-Americans (also called "native americans") just did not try hard enough. The europeans/asians did not domesticate cows, those are the result of domestication. They domesticated aurochs, and bred them to be cows. Try looking it up, there is a reason the guy shows a picture of the cow in his video and not a picture of an auroch.

@@baltazarvok2564 The number of domesticated animals corresponds to the number of animal species. Eurasia-Africa is the biggest land mass on Earth, and has the number of animal species corresponds to this size. Jared Diamond pointed this out. It's not about not trying. It's that only a very small number of species have the right combination of being social, hierarchical, and not too aggressive so they can be fully domesticated. And as maths suggests, most of these animal species live in the biggest land mass.

@@eljanrimsa5843 Yes Euro-asia had an advantage, but it was not an owerwhelming advantage (Americas had potatoes and maize - advantage on the crops side to compensate), bison could be tamed, some deer species could be tamed a lot of food animals and llamas actually were tamed (and llamas are excelent animals for domestic use replacing both sheep and goats). As for tamability, even African elephants were tamed (much later, but they were). The first tamed horses could not carry a rider, that came from an extensive breeding effort. What Jared Diamond is doing in his book is throwing smokescreen to hide the most significant factor that decides the level of civilization. Make a guess on what that is.

@@baltazarvok2564 You confuse taming and domestication. Llamas, alpacas, guinea pigs, turkeys were the animals available for domestication in the Americas. Bisons have historically not been domesticated, neither American bisons nor Eurasian bisons. You need 20-feet high steel fences to hold them in. Elephants have never been domesticated. The domestication of deer has been attempted many times, but without success. Of the many species of ungulates in Eurasia and Africa, many have been tamed, and people have been trying to breed them, but only very few have been domesticated. The Americas started out with less species of ungulates, and only the 2 relatively small camelids could be domesticated.

EstherTheNicey I do that every weekend

EstherTheNicey same

nailed it

EstherTheNicey I just saw my first video today, and have been watching all day! Lol

I can`t stop re-watching his videos

Also: A llama is no cow.

Are llamas assholes?

Always worth remembering that everyone has been awful to everyone at some point in history. The english slave traders weren't dragging off peaceful african tribes, they were trading tools for ALREADY EXISTING african slave traders. They just had huge merchant fleets and an empire with which to financially capitalize on slave trading far harder than africans ever could. But it's not like they invented slavery.

Yup

But it was not a spawn point. It was just a bad decision to fast expand too early in the game.

well, look at Antarctica, Alaska, deserts, ... so the new world is not a bad spawn point for the early game villagers. It is just a bad spawn for the civilization in the long run.

Not really, I mean there was lots of fertile land, in contrast with Africa, which as much fewer rivers to use.

It's not a bad spawn it has a diverse set of biomes and plentiful resources, it just has the disadvantage of not having disease insurance.

I once asked my cousin who has spent extended periods of time in Britain if the Welsh hated the English. I told him I asked because I knew a lot of Scots hate the English, and a lot of Irish hate the English, but I didn't know about the Welsh. He replied "Yes; one of the factors that made the English such effective rulers, is they treated everyone the same." It made me fall over laughing.

@@scottcantdance804 😂😂 so true! And it can get daft if you are, say, half English/half Scottish, or have parents from one country but live in another. I've had a few friends who speak with a Scottish accent when at home with their families, but speak with an English accent when out with their English friends! This wasn't because of enmity between the countries, they did it more because their parents liked it, and to fit in. And yeah. As a history loving half Scottish/English person myself I can tell you that any country that's had the English lording it over them hates us with good reason. We were proper evil during the Empire, and we still treat the Scots Irish and Welsh terribly at every opportunity.

@@scottcantdance804 Hate everyone the same

What if the honey and tea civilizations did a fox-Disney merger... They would outlaw plain water.

Or with worms *RUNS CHINESE ANTHEM*

Also nonsense

I second this motion! 😀

A+

Laugh while you can

I’m getting real sick of these puns

So what's the opinion of the ebola virus

I wouldnt say controlled...

Very interesting to read. I also read that the Europeans needed labor in the Americas and black Africans where perfect for that, because they were more less resistant to the diseases of the tropical climates and have a relatively strong physique.

VivaHollandia32 Actually, the strong physique is the result of slavery. Plus They were kidnapped for cheep labor. Slaves died of many illnesses and sicknesses while on the ships. They weren't prized for a strong immune system.

@@soulight6091 yes, but they were made slaves because literally all other options were either 1. too far away(asia) 2.christians(europe) 3.literally died all the time from european disease or knew how to run away(native americans)

@Queen_PLATINE! I mean,the Brits had a pretty easy time slapping india around, since the princely states were easily used against each other.

I love it when I watch an old video from a RU-vidr I've just discovered and find a comment from another RU-vidr I love

Boyinaband Hey! It’s you!

Still hate school?

omff daveee:3

WADDYA DOI; HERE

​@Benjamin La Tour What is wrong with the word 'intimacy'? It's defined as 'a closeness or familiarity' or 'a private atmosphere'. It's only vulgar if you make it vulgar.

@@Kaiheart I think it was intended as a joke, exaggerating the vulgarity of the word "intimacy" (as opposed to sex)

Comparing Coronavirus to the things mentioned in the video (cholera, black plague, typhus) is ridiculous and hysterical.

@@fresagrus4490 why? He didn't compare the severity or symptoms, just compared principles of transmission mentioned in the video to the transmission of covid

bruh people really actin like this hits different in 2020 like as if these things didnt transmit diseases as easily as it is transmitting corona

@Warhawk - this was all written twenty years ago in the book "Guns, Germs, and Steel" by Jared Diamond. The explanation was not created by the author of this video.

@@billb7636 At least Grey made this video, and Warhawk76 appreciates Grey for making this video. There's nothing wrong with such kind of appreciation.

@@billb7636 That book is not well respected. Loads of errors, poor evidence, unsupported conclusions, etc.

@@rusticcloud3325 - I never said there was anything wrong with appreciating the VIDEO. The problem is, Warhawk seemed to think that Grey is the one who came up with the explanation, so I was pointing out that he did not.

@@linusp9316 - It may be that YOU do not respect the book. Many other people do. From GoodReads: "It's well written and informative, and worth reading." And many other comments are similar.

I think it was the crap in the Thames River that killed the crap out of people.

Gabriel Hamilton:Of course😂It was the primary drinking water source for centuries...its a wonder the city had a population survive at all🤦‍♂️

Much more likely Bazalgette's sanitary sewers. The filter would remove particulate material but still leave most disease causing microbes.

*BA DUM TING!*

Was that a cholera joke? Well done.

@@numatichades0175 Yeah bruv, the white man doesn't want us to believe that the natives (before the whites came) had space travel tech and huge cities spanning the entire country!

@@chase522 _space travel tech?_

@@a_lucientes Yeah, the white man can't use their superior technology so they hid it away! In a serious note this is as believable as the flat earth 'theory'. It's honestly amazing what people will believe in no matter how mindnumbingly stupid.

Chase What? Then whats the real answer, in that case? I thought this theory has been agreed upon for years.

@@nessa6135 To imply the natives at the time had running water and plumbing is completely stupid. Did they have toilets, sinks, or even basic water wells? Well no, because they were too busy killing each other and performing sacrifices. It's the same reason why they didn't have spanning farms or any basic farming techniques and tools... they were nomadic, they had to be. Otherwise they would die staying in one place for too long.

That's what school teachers do. Most of them actually, rather poorly educated, know nothing more than their textbooks contain. Also, most of them are afraid to say "I don't know" in the fear of losing their authority.

@@michaelcrockis7679 Which, ironcially enough, makes them really untrustworthy and comparably useless, thus also decreasing their authority.

@@michaelcrockis7679 Thats very stupid. I had a teacher who said I dont know sometimes to a question. Next lesson he would start with answering it because he would look it up at home.

@O. M. You may have misunderstood me. I meant that this behavior you just explained is stupid. I completely agree with you.

Michael Crockis not just school teachers. Many of the professors do the same thing.

Coming soon to a Dank river valley near you.

YES I KNOW THIS REFERENCE

Bill Returned, my friend

Guess who controls all the islands?

I understood that reference

Don't forget the New Jersey Devil!

*midwest intensifies*

_mothman_

Or... maybe a turkey?

@@Noneofyourbusiness2000 turkeys don't exist dummy

well... i came here to llook after the coronavirus plague, i think i found a glad zero patient here

*ahem* seems like somebody won it now and for a weird reason we aren't happy about it😂

Not sure what is worse, dying to it or living and knowing that you are responsible for countless deaths. I wonder if there is a guy walking around Wuhan thinking about it.

I knew it! I knew EA would be behind the next big plague!

"llama pox"

+Pokemario Fan SHIFT+CTRL+C EnableLlamas!!! And here I was thinking it did nothing!

+PitchBlackFox como se llama?

+PendulumFTW I am sorry to tell you this but lama, is llama.

@Roshaun Roache wdYm

?

@Roshaun Roache is this "What Do You Mean"??

He added a mask

4 years ago the picture was the manifest destiny.

Surely you mean hold my mead?

Not just honey, honeycomb and mead, but also wax which gives at least the potential for candles and some form of preservation.

Honey bees would like to disagree with CGP Grey.

We can make a religion out of this!

Surely you mean "bear"?

+Moondye7 I think it's also that this is a much more serious and dark topic to talk about, so he wants to sound serious.

It's all about the ambiance.

+Moondye7 My thoughts exactly! I get the slow version, but I love fast talking CGPGrey a lot more!

+Moondye7 To the contrary, I found the slower pace to be beneficial.

+Moondye7 To be honest, as a non-native speaker I don't think it's the videomaker's duty to make sure non-natives understand the video, unless it's specifically a language-learning video which this is not. :P

Bruh your time stamp on mobile is cursed I tried to hit read more and it kept jumping to that time stamp

@@jordank6961 same

Any idea how you can find old illustrations like that and the ones from old cities?

@@jordank6961 this type of bug keeps happening on mobile when a hyperlink is cut off by "read more"

SirVyre Buffalo Pox ftw!

Yes, just yes

Then write it

Domestication technique has been developed independently multiple times. There has to be another factor. My guess is that there were other easier sources of food or the society in general lacked the ambition. There are hormonal and chemical factors to ambition and it's entirely possible that these play as much a role as anything else. The drive to create, figure out, invent, explore... doesn't appear to be consistent across all cultures.

eschelar How do you explain the existence of the Aztec and Inca empires?

While they were prominent livestock, I don't think they were domesticated by a big civilization like Inca. The same goes for Alpacas and the Fuegian 'Dog'

@@gundorf2063 They were domesticated by the Inca.

Guinea pigs, interesting. Now I know where my floofy chub-sub is from,

Also aurochs were not that easy animals.

But how useful were guinea pigs? Llamas were probably the only domesticated animal that provided considerable use.