Highly suggest to whoever is reading this comment to check out "The Immortality Key" by Brian Murraresku if this subject is even slightly interesting. Interesting and profound stuff, especially when read in conjunction with the work of Albert Hoffman, Stanislov Grof, Graham Hancock, and a plethora of others. A very special time is upon us! Have a nice day
EtherealExposition that’s my favorite thing about him. He talks about sophisticated things with his feet firmly planted on the ground. To speak this way shows incredible humility and respect for his listeners, I think.
All of the ancient mysteries and stories are important to our world; or the Human race at the very least. They are our only true connection to the past, and they repeat over and over as the culture unfolds. Be a story teller, always teach the young those old archetypes and allegories!
To stir the plot even further: There's a theory out there that ancient Egyptians grew Psilocybe Cubensis on barley (which was listed as an ingredient of kykeon) and associated the process with Osiris, their god of fertility and rebirth - the Greek equivalent of which is Demeter (the Eleusinian mysteries were held by the cult of Demeter). Some have also suggested that the psychoactive compound used in the Eleusinian mysteries was an ayahuasca-like brew of a DMT-containing plant such as acacia and a natural MAO inhibitor such as Syrian rue, both of which grew around eastern Mediterranean.
Yeah it gotta be the latter. Also i clearly know why it is kept secret. And i don't believe anyone who shares the experience had the experience. It still happens to this day. But you are told not to share it there.
@@hypeandtings anywhere with anyone. Travelling to other realms is an individual thing. Some have these with kundalini some with ancient rituals, some with staying in a dark room for 40 days and repeating God's names but the places they visit isn't different. It's out of this world and even if you told anyone you would be deemed crazy. Not all who participated in elusian ritual did have this esoteric experience but the ones who are allowed by God are also people who are tight lipped. It's about love in the heart. Lack of judgment to others and yourself. It's about shadow work. And the rabbit hole goes only deeper
@@nortega1981 it must be sth the microorganism do or the fungus, like lactose is getting changed into sth really healthy in kefir, or the sugar that gets transformed in kombucha, that makes the ergot cosumable in a safe form. let me know about the results. and check ambrosiasociety.org for amazing information on amanita muscaria.
...yes I can relate as a beer lover...and certainly beer was foundational in..ancient Egypt...surely Egyptian beer...would have been a vessel for..other visionary chemicals...ie,their blue lotus..or some opium tincture.The alcohol/opium tincture that..Coleridge..used...a think that ..absinthe baseline pop...could take a man far ..with regards to ascertaining “far-memory”...man’s place in the voyage...the astral..Akashi..history of anti-deluvian earth....🐝🌈💫...all the meat and potatoes
It is time that we institutionalize some sort of psychedelic/mystical experience in the lives of anyone who wants to have it in modern society, just like this used to be. Would make this world a little more free.
Personally I was not surprised and not delighted either. Of course he would defile the mystery. If you think Alcibiades was heroic, read Thucydides and you will see he was most responsible for Athens' demise. The Menian dialogue? Make no mistake, that is HIM. After the massacre that followed, the Menian princess, who had despised and rejected him, became his slave.
Corn smut is a corn parasite fungi eaten in Mexico since time inmemorial, called huitlacoche (a nahuatl word). It is quite delicious, normally eaten with eggs or with cheese in a quesadilla…
Lots of contrasts and comparisons between the Hellenistic era and Mesoamérica. Ergine, LSA, purple coloured stuff, mushrooms, DMT, reptilian and amphibian derived substances..
An excellent point to add to Jung & Kerényi's Introduction to a Science of Mythology, The Myth of the Divine Child and the Mysteries of Eleusis, espectially regarding Kerényi's segment on the Kore, the unity of Demeter and Persephone, the life and death of the grain. Thanks to McLenna, we can add ergot to these associations, and it makes so much sense, even if we have to be content with speculations.
I wish Terence had a chance to visit the Sanctuary on the island of Samothraki, where another mystery of Ancient Greece was held. There's a strange energy going on there
The thing I love about this is not the idea of psychedelic mubo jumbo but when placed in the context of modern civilization, there are so many things that we don't yet understand but will eventually become such simple knowledge to future generations. So many people always say "I know" and "I understand" but they don't think about the extent of their knowledge or understanding. Simply fascinating stuff.
DMT- Demeter? Phalaris looks like the grains they hold. Mixed with Rue creates a type of DMT. That you would drink. Will "take you" to the underworld and back in a sense lol...
Interestingly, September 17 being the mysteries of demeter is also Constitution day. The same day that the setting sun casts a shadow from the Washington monument to the center front steps of the us capital (by design). The "rising sun chair" used by george Washington for 4 months at the 1787 Constitutional convention has an obvious mushroom designed into it.
-Regardless of some commenting about the validity of Mckenna's "facts", keep in mind the man is giving a speech, not reading from notes, fact-checking, etc. -His research obviously stems from his interest in chemicals/drugs; which you can see reflected in his presentation on the HIS-STORY of these mysteries. -This account is great speculation on what might have been ingested during these events but does not include the esoteric parts of these mysteries which I think people want to know more about. -Nonetheless, Mckenna never ceases to amaze me with the knowledge that he has, and his uncanny ability to make people laugh with his quirky humor and somewhat awkward inflection!
So here's another thought that's related, what about the possibility of brewing a concoction using the rhizome of Canary read or related grasses? The resulting brew would have a plethora of tryptamines related to DMT and these grasses can literally be found worldwide nowadays. I'm no botanist so I don't really know much on the history of the plant but I just thought I'd throw this out there. Edit: I do not condone the use of any substance be it legal or non legal. Do NOT extract DMT but if you won't listen to some rando on the internet please listen when I say do not source DMT from these grasses they are commonly contaminated with gramine which has a strangely polarized opinion on its toxicity but is generally agreed to be unfit for human consumption.
I’m reading the immortality key now explaining wasson Hoffman and rucks leap into this topic- it’s published 2020, it reads very eloquently too everythings stated like how documentaries are narrated lol.
On this day that conspiracy theories abound if someone were to publish the answers to all your queries about space and time, multiverses, dark matter, black holes and reality itself; would you just ignore it? Perhaps all the answers you seek are “under your nose(s)”; will you seek it out? “Imagination is the way.” By Elias Leousis, seek it out! Naw, you won’t, it would be too easy.
interesting how a substance found only in northern pakistan affects migraines and literally helps open minds. "Ergot alkaloids were the first antimigraine drugs available. Dihydroergotamine (DHE) is an ergotamine analog"
Do you have any idea how many substances grow around the world that evoke mind opening experiences. Mushrooms, peyote, ayahuasca etc……. And those north and South American cultures were much more spiritually and cosmically advanced.
The substance isn’t found only in Pakistan. It’s the only place where it’s legally produced to create migraine medicines. Ergot is a fungus/mold found on breads especially rye
Wow Terrance Mckenna was friends with Albert Hoffman? I don't know what I would say to A.H. but I think he might have some fascinating chemistry correlations to point out
It's a fair enough criticism. The ingredients and vessels are addressed in the brand new findings in The Immortality Key, and that author's JRE episode this week. It's *very* interesting.
munich had the oktoberfest for the past centuries. nobody worried :D while lsd and mushrooms and cacti are out there. people are distracted. some know. some have experienced.
I wrote an opera on the Eleusinian mysteries and didn't find it that mysterious. How mysterious can anyone be to a sensible adult who is honest? (Except possibly the real unknowns such as the proposed Multiverse.) My primary sources were "Eleusis, Archetypal Image of Mother and Daughter", by Carl Karenyi and "Myths and Mysteries of Same-sex Love" by Christine Downing. My other source, for tying to interpret the "mysteries" was Carl Jung. I took the mysteries to deal with the mother-Demetre-"Individuating". It also reminds me of the Buddhist concept of "impermanence". I think that like the average public today, the ancient Greeks were probably so caught up in everyday life and without an escape, that the drugs and festival were a way to leave common-place life to retreat for a fresh perspective about everyday life. Like the complexity of Roman Catholicism, we could get caught is all the details and dialogue about vocabulary and "faith", etc but looking at the mysteries objectively it comes down to looking at basic human nature and how to cope with life.
The last volume of Mircea Eliade's "History of Religion" also has a tremendous final chapter on Dionysos and the Eleusis Mysteries too---and new archaeology points to its beginnings there in Late Minoan times circa 1500 BCE. Minoan-style "light shows" included---see "Calendar House: Clues to Minoan Time from Knossos Labyrinth" at Ancientlights dot o-r-g.
I'm looking for material of the actual practices and exercises of either the Eleusian Mysteries or the school of Pythagoras (who were a student of Sacred Mysteries before founding his own school). I've found material talking about the history and phillosophy of such mysteries, but not the actual practices. There's AMORC where I live and they send material over time once you join them. What you guys think?
Does McKenna ever go beyond drug references? There are nine days to the rite of passage, but McKenna seems only interested in discussing drug references of this rite. The details of the myth have little interest to McKenna. A rite of passage is far more nuanced than the drug(s) taken, but, hey, I guess talking about an ancient myth can be a great excuse for some to take hallucinogens. I'm in the minority obviously, but I just hope for a more enlightened commentary about an ancient rite of passage than the drugs taken. McKenna is not for me.
Anyone taking a hallucinogen for fun will eventually get scared away after they have a bad trip. It is only people who are using the drugs for healing their body or spirit who will stick with the drugs.
I agree. I absolutely love Mckenna, he's brilliant and wonderful to listen to, but there's way more to ancient theosophy and the mystery schools than hallucinations. The consciousness of man back then was so vastly different and untainted that one likely only needed meditation to have the same effect. Im of the opinion that whatever our minds are capable of producing, such as hallucinations, we do not need anything other than our minds to discover those things or visions. Just doesn't seem natural that we would have to find, manufacture, and consume a substance in order to reach a certain mental potential. Sure it helps, but the only way? I sure hope not.
The drugs taken were an interesting aspects of it. The rest shouldn't be neglected either Yes he's mostly focused on drugs but he he's at his most interesting when he's not talking about them. He does talk about a lot of other stuff
Prayer and fasting was the way taught by Jesus and practiced by Christian mystics like St John of the Cross, St Theresa of Avila, Julian of Norwich and as described in the Cloud of Unknowing. Their experiences where far more meaningful and profound and had context.
