I would say the biggest issue with ubisoft nerfing versatility is it falls into the same category as them nerfing the latest gunner op. People will always shift to what's the most versatile because path of least resistance. Buck is popular mostly because he can do a lot of different things. So with that gonne six gone, that's one less reason to play him in the eyes of someone looking for that versatility. People have talked off and on about Zero for ages. Great guns, great intel, hard breaches, gonne 6, three speed, i think the only thing stopping people from really picking him up is a lack of soft destruction, and the fact that his gadget is more methodical in nature than your usual entry fragger of the year nominee.
iana is fucked now too if you want to take out a sheild youre limited to 20 bullets arx or shitty recoil g36c although it feels better with the acog and suppressor than flash idk why but shes just a shell of what she was now so sad
Ubisoft main problem is that there are too many operators. I like the different variety of operators but it's impossible to perfectly balance over 70 operators. There always operators that are going to be stronger than others operators.
i actually think the nerf to Buck was perfect because they didnt nerf a fundamental part about him that makes him really versatile, but instead, removing GONNE-6 opened up the other two vert operators for more play, giving each of the 3 their own niece now (Buck can open above vert and hard breach, Sledge is now the only one who has explosive utility, and Ram has the most potential destruction out of all 3 of them) this is probably one of their best nerfs in a while in terms of the thought about other operators also Zero is kind of just ass
I think people just like listening to you talk about siege. “nostalgic” isn’t the right word, but I think you remind us all of when we played the game and loved it; strong personality and well presented commentary is something we all enjoy.
Sounds right. I miss when I had a lot of fun with siege because having 30-45 minute games invalidated by cheaters multiple times a night is exhausting. Ubisoft rolling out balance changes that are only a shade better than Blizzard with OW is boring. There's nothing to get hyped for anymore. I love the game but I hate almost everything surrounding it. The cheaters, the balancing, and the community are all a blight.
2:47 While the current state of online gaming is undeniably toxic between consumers and producers, I'd argue that ubisoft isnt a victim of the current online culture, but rather one of the biggest justifications of it.
5:50 if zero gets nerfed I’ll genuinely be surprised. Super versatile yes, but not practical. Too loud and buggy to be practical. I’ve seen zero cams bounce off of glass panes. I’ve seen players look for zero cams before they even pierce to the other side they are so loud.
You got it backwards about jager in the beginning of this video. Go back and check, they nerfed and changed how Jagers gadget worked several times without a dent in his pickrate. Then in 2021 they SEVERELY nerfed his recoil. Only then did his pickrate crater.
They nerfed the damage once. Which didn’t have a dent in his pickrate. My main point being that, despite all the gadget changes they did to him, it was destroying the guns usability that finally stopped him from being the operator with a 90% pickrate.
@@practical9640 That's mostly because of the meta he was in, nerfing him didn't make him any worse for most players, they just made him way less fun to play. The reason it dropped so severely was because the gun nerf was so bad, it was the straw that broke the camels back
I think Ubisoft doesnt know how to balance? They seem to be in a constant arms race with the playerbase and just nerf everything that is popular at that time. Which makes the balancing measure like a race to the bottom. And the cycle creates this shitshow where every gun is not very good and kinda annoying to play.
I play thermite and Hibana, those 2 primaries behave in a predictable, replicatable way. It was a sad day when I could no longer play Zofia without using the LMG 😢 then they ruined that 😂
When I imagined esports for Siege in 2015, I was excited. Based off the Alpha and Beta, I imagined slow, stealthy, and thoughtful plays. Sounded fun. Cut to now. 2 min 30 seconds a round. No intimacy with the map. No punishment for holding down the trigger. Everything is just flick shooting. Hard to follow and is not interesting to me when I do follow. Needs more Rainbow and less CS2, COD, Valerant. I love CS2, so needless to say, I don't need another one.
I think it's undeniable that pro league plays a part in the balancing but it's like all the other parts of the game - just pieces in a puzzle that don't really take priority over the other
I think sometimes they balance because of prolegs. The one example I have is Sophia. I feel like her with Stan got took it away because people were winning in pro league because of with stand
except they had already been cutting things like that and had already stated an intention to cut things like that. the timing on that change was just really funny
@@armorparade that is fair I just want to say though that I’m not one of those people that think that they always change that because a pro play I just saw that example that I gave was kind of sucks timing on their part lol 😂 also, have you noticed that ever since they took the with stand away it seems like nobody plays Sophia anymore. At least I hardly see her in my games.
My main complaint for the Solis nerf was that it was way too much at once, while Fenrir was barely nerfed in a substantial way if we look at it from a frustration standpoint. Fenrir is still just as frustrating to fight and requires less skill compared to a lot of other ops. Solis not getting to use her gadget during the prep phase was good enough, but the other add ons killed her gadget for the average player. They should’ve first explored the no scanning drones while inactive and reduced range before implementing everything else, then maybe add the reduced up time. I’m also irritated that they gave her the old version of passive abilities where you have to wait the full cooldown to use her gadget again, something I thought we were moving away from for operators. I’m hoping they’ll revert some of these changes later on because I see no consistent use case for her as an average player.
Personally, the ubisoft balancing just comes off as indecisive to me. You've touched on this before of ubi not knowing who plays siege and them wanting the best of both worlds which is never going to happen. It is just annoying because there's the pl scene who want to push the game into a more comp level then there's the casual scene who just want to have fun. Another issue is ubi nerfing ops, and following the pick rates for the sake of nerfing. A big thing was mozzie to alibi to warden, just getting hit with the nerf bat because the CrAcKeD 16 year olds would play the fun ops.
It has nothing to do with pro league imo. It just feels like things are done with a lack of foresight The most obvious example of them making changes without considering the context of future changes they'll make is Nokk, but I think the recent G36C change is a better example. So they nerfed the G36C giving it more recoil, and the reason THEY GAVE was it became more dominantly chosen over the R4C and ARX because both of those guns had gotten their 1.5s taken away as a nerf. Then the next season, they give all attacking weapons ACOG's, and even make giving the R4C ACOG a major part of their marketing!!! So now we're in a position where almost nobody uses the G36C on Ash, and between the few people who still play Iana it's pretty split, but I see the ARX more. And it's just like why? What was the point? Are they gonna nerf the R4C now again to try and balance Ash since she's the most picked operator? That would certainly seem hypocritical after they got a major Brazil crowd to cheer over the gun getting it's ACOG back
well in that case let's fuck the community up take away the r4c acog and increase recoil and voila no more ash that's what i would say if i was an ubisoft employee
Appreciate the yapping! I think my big issue with Siege balancing isn’t exactly the balance philosophy it’s more so that I dislike when they remove a level of complexity from a character. My example is Mute and how he used to be able to jam areas through the floor on certain maps if you knew the spot to place the jammer. I feel a similar way about frag grenades. Where maybe their lethality was a huge balancing issue, but it felt like they had taken away a level of skill that was satisfying to perform. And while I did hate Fenrir I do think certain interesting aspects of his kit that required a level of complexity simply can’t be performed anymore. Siege just feels a little muddied compared to where it used to be a couple of years ago.
That's what irked me a lot aswell, because operators like ela, zof, and echo had small intricacies that weren't comp viable but more of a if you know you know. that could leverage you rounds.
I think it's more over the fact that ubi instead of nerfing things step by step just drop the bomb on nerfs. Instead of nerfing Solis step by step to make sure she's nerfed but still good they just drop everything at once on her.
haven seen much on fenrir. i felt it was a pretty good nerf. I do think that the issue with Solis is that she got smacked harder than ppl asked for. I think if they literally just took her ability to use her gadget in prep, she would still be strong, but not as annoying. Also, they took her impacts which i think was a pretty big hit to her as it just deleted a big part of her gameplay. And thats apparently only part 1 of her nerf, so not really sure what else the devs think needs to change about her.
I get who you're talking about, but the Solis nerf made her underwhelming. They went way too far, and that was only the planned part 1 of the nerf. She definitely needed a nerf, but now there is little reason to pla yher
I think, although the pros and the devs wants the operators to be able to execute their specific roles effectively, while most of the community still wants easier gameplay with least resistance during gameplay (and complains the game being TDM). If the community could not perform the things they want with certain operator due to nerfs or other reasons, they would rather change to another one rather sticking to their so called ''mains''. The community also loves to complain when they faced an obstacle they are not able to overcome yet. Overtime, you'll see their narratives changed, from ''Uhh that operator is too strong so frustrating'', to ''I don't know how to deal with this operator'', to ''Its annoying to deal with'', and eventually to ''Okay maybe this would work''. We have examples of Clash being low in the chart yet people complains all the time. They did not use the correct op to counter her, keep on using Ash, Iana and Finka and of course they go on yapping about it. Sens pick rate was so low despite having good utility clearance , 3 speed, and good guns. People just prefer Ash because she do not need much brainpower and clicks to perform her gadget. Nook's role did not change after her silent step was removed. People just stopped playing her because that now how they want Nook to be like. Remember Frost's welcome mat? The devs did a welcomed change but the majority of the community didn't want it because it adds another layer of ''skill'' that these people would not want to deal with. I felt certain operators like Ash and Doc was too easy to play and people with selfish or rush and gun traits would rather stick to them. Maybe the devs could change how the gadgets executed, stick to their philosophy and be righteous about it.
I think a lot of the time, specifically in regards to balancing, Ubisoft is not forthright with the 'why' of their choice. Oftentimes, it is the "this op, in the hands of a decent to good player, can singlehandedly put a team on their back and carry", I just think they need to openly state that more. Only reason I say that, is because if we're talking about utility AND a good weapon, Goyo is annoying as hell. Vector, with an ACOG, while being 2 speed, while having a very useful time-wasting gadget that you really can't avoid if it's placed well, and he has impacts, a bulletproof cam, or proximity alarms. By every metric, a very useful operator to bring in the utility and fragging departments. However, Ubisoft does nothing to him while they continuously slap Jager with a mahogany oar of a nerf. I honestly don't think Wamai was as bad as Goyo is in terms of ability to carry a team, at least Wamai's Metal Grenade Gloves didn't instantly deny utility or immediately, full stop, prevent someone from entering site. It's just continuously weird choices.
On console I get mocked / tk in game for replicating pro league strats and regardless it still helped me win some rounds. If anyone wants to get better at site set ups pro league is the way to go. Don’t take my word for it. Even Coconut Brah showcased that it works.
I would love to see actual studies done on the social dynamics between live servive games and their consumers. I think they are genuinely fostering a new kind of way people interface with their video games and its entirely unhealthy in the long term, and I find it is setting the ground for a kind of consumer that will not be a viable one to market to in the very near future.
The biggest problem is actually the opposite of what ur explaining. The real issue is that Ubisoft is only focusing on making the game enjoyable for old players. They only care about the retention of already good players. This being shown in the ranked '2.0' system, which essentially just makes it so that the game decides how good you are, and makes it near impossible to rank up beyond that, without near impossibly long win streaks. the concept of ranked for Ubi right now, is simply making it easy for their consistent emerald, plat, diamond players to get right back up to the same rank once the season resets, because pros complained about dealing with placement matches. The problem being, this change makes it near impossible for players in the bronze-gold region to rank up at all. Because of the "hidden skill" level, linear, or even consistently slowing progress is impossible at any way, regardless of your individual skill because the first win/losses of the season FULLY lock your progress for that entire season. In the long term this basically means that the only players who will ever be retained, are the highest preforming ones, who have been spoonfed- a high RP gain/loss ratio all the way back up to their current rank. every, single, season. And as more high rank players tire of playing only to get back to their current rank and never higher, and as ubisoft gradually loses ALL newer/low rank players, the game will die.
It's been a long time since I've played the game, I miss the good times, but I've also forgotten what they were, after I lost 3 years worth of clips. But hearing that "OPFOR Last Op Standing" reminded me of the euphoric, electric feeling I used to get.
This is a great video. The average Joe doesn't understand how siege is played at the highest level and cannot conceptualise how certain operators such as Solis/Fenrir are completely busted purely because he doesn't experience people who know how to really exploit them very well, often.
They seem to just be playing hot potato with the acog, So any operator can get it but they never keep it and it's honestly really stupid that they do that
while personally I rather have little generalists as possible in a shooter so people have to make decisive decisions, its hard to deny that a good chunk of the playerbase rather pick something that works in alot scenarios no matter what. Path of least resistance and all that. Balancing wise they should make a handful of ops the designated John/Jane Generalists, kinda like Ash but make them slightly better in different departments a good example of this is Soldier TF2, hes a really good generalist and can do well really easily on his own but not overpowered by himself, meanwhile Demoman who is also a generalist is actually alot better damage wise but has less health and requires more skill depending on the weapon used Ash would be good at straight foward assault, Buck is good for destruction and verticals, Zero would be Intel, etc but then buff the more specialized roles in order to make it so there would be reason to bring them
For me it's kind of obvious what they should do. Keep anything that people enjoy and stay realistic as the game is balanced In a very unrealistic way. The sight rework is the worst change yet as it only makes the game feel awkward, even in real life guns are pretty balanced and each gun has its uses. You don't need sights to balance an entire game. Siege peeked in operation Deep Freeze, even when I was playing it I knew siege was much better than it had ever been. I played 193 games and made it to diamond. Since then I have played 76 games because It's hard to play a downgraded version of a once great game. This game Is just 1x vs 2.5x at the moment. But seriously, if they're going to remove something, they better give us something of equal value.
I don’t dislike pro league, I feel like it’s just the next natural step in a competitive game. I will also say I don’t watch it though, don’t really know where or when to watch it assuming I even had the time. I think the only e sports I actually watched was overwatch because they gave out incentives to watch. But I will say that the entertaining casters and vibe got me to stay for it, it was just really well done with reviews and analysis too.
the game is very different on many levels at many levels i think ubisoft balances major problems at many levels most the time but very rarely theywill balance for bronze or for pro leauge and most people will that when it isnt for thier level and they dislike it they will yell pro leauge
Imo the game should be balanced for the average player. They make up 99% of the players, pros are a tiny minority. For me the attraction of pro league is seeing what pros can do with the same tools available to regular players. Sure some operators are broken in the hands of a pro but thats why they are professional, and they should have the ability to plan and adapt to "overpowered" things. Failing that they still have a ban phase.
the thing is it is. but the thing is the tachanka lmg locked and loaded epic bacon crowd thinks that they're the average player and not the guy who hops into QP or ranked with his boys on the weekend. ubisoft doesn't listen to the guy who acts like not having night maps is what "ruined the game" and they shouldn't because that's not what a majority of people who actively play the game care about. they care about the ops they like feeling good to play, they care about maps and weapons feeling good to use, they care about not having cheaters in their lobbies.
The only thing I want them to do is give every defender the 2.5 scope like they did with attackers and see what happens, because I don’t think scopes should be a way of balancing characters.
I think the zofia nerf caused by the pro league match on old consulate was stupid because they went and gave rook armor self rev after taking zofias away
Hi Gwen! I do have a comment about the "myth." "This is pro league's fault! My favorite character was good, now they're bad, because somebody in pro league who's bad at the game (which is just a HILARIOUS statement to say out loud) got mad because they got slammed and they're sore losers!" This is no myth, it's reality! A few years ago, a pro league player "forgot" about Zofia's Withstand. There was a big firestorm in the community about it. You and I can safely assume that someone who gets paid to play the game is "good" enough to remember all the minutiae of Siege. But hey, this person downed the Zofia, forgot about her in the heat of the moment and subsequently lost the round when she got up and killed him. I don't think it meant he was "bad" at the game. It just meant he made a mistake. Everyone does that. That's just what separates competitors from their competition sometimes: details. 🖌 Rather than take accountability for his mistake however, this person blasted the game and Ubisoft, squawking about "hidden abilities" and "How was I supposed to remember that??". To my surprise, a loud portion of the community sided with him. Now, I THOUGHT that Ubisoft would have ignored the guy or said something like, "Yep, Withstand has been with this operator since her release, get good and get over it." Instead, Withstand was removed from Zofia soon afterward (and later reincorporated into the Rook rework, giving not just 1 but 5 Defenders their own Withstand). Changes like this are kind of what Ubisoft... does. They like to listen to the community, and while I do appreciate companies that do that, I felt their balance team was utterly spineless in this instance and caved to loud-mouthed and low-ranked community pressure. I never took the game or changes made to it very seriously after that. Siege has always been a game that's great in concept-- just a cool, cool fucking game in theory -- but absolutely hampered in execution by poor decision making on the part of the balance team. And yet... I still play it! Still love it! I just don't live and breathe Siege anymore and I'm healthier for it. I do play the game every once in a while with my friends for fun! I try not to look at the patch notes because, well, look at how much I've written for a game I don't play all that much! Anyway! I was playing tonight and my friend was like, "Remember Gwen? She's still making videos! You should go check her out!" And ohmygosh! I am so happy to see you still makin' Siege content! It was nice to interact with one of your videos after so long! Wishing you the best! Take care! ❤😻♥
It used to be “Gregor” since about 7 months ago G changed their channel name to G since they went by They/Them at that time. However recently G now goes by She/They (a couple videos back she reveals her new name to be Gwen)
The esports excuse is only valid in Apex Legends because only pros were complaining about the self rez and then and lil bit later they completely got rid of it
E sports are fine its just when people begin to act like they are the be all end all in the online scene when they aren't a necessity. I have also seen a lot of people who think Ubisoft should ONLY listen to pros and not acknowledge anything or anyone else.
i think its important to keep a wide ear to the ground but 1) the reality is that ubi primarily balances the game for the people in the middle, not the top or the bottom 2) people who aren't good at the game do not provide useful information, not just because they're bad at the game but because they straight up do not understand how to accurately communicate what their problems are. why listen to 1000 complaints that boil down to the same incorrect statement like calling goyo useless because he doesn't have his old shield anymore
@@armorparade disagree with the 2nd point epically if “not good” means you aren’t a professional player then you’re kinda who I’m referring to. If thousands and thousands of players want a change Ubisoft isn’t gonna tell them “git good or stop playing our game” just isn’t how it works nor how it should work. Goyo for example was one of the times they “balanced for pro league” though it was for higher ranks too however if Ubisoft found a way to make Goyo pick rate go up everywhere else, they don’t care if it’s “professionally viable” they would just implement it. I agree with the first point though that I don’t think Ubisoft balanced for pros as it’s more in the middle but again people think that’s all they should listen to.
Ok, sure. I can concede that not every time my favorite character has been nerfed has been because of the pro league. So instead, I'll focus on something we can all agree on, and have been saying for a while now: Ubisoft is awful at balancing this game. They always pick the most polarizing way to do something, going for these nerds that really feel like three nerfs bundled into one. This might be why so many in the casual community gets mad when an operator gets a nerf. Hopefully any of this made sense, to be completely honest I haven't engaged with siege in almost a year, and with the Nøkk nerf, I probably won't be returning any time soon
Ah but you see this is the same company who’s data sheets don’t automatically flag an account with a 5 KD that jumped from Copper to Emerald in a single season as “possibly cheating” So you’ll have to forgive my casual gaming no developer experience self for thinking huh they may not be liars but they sure don’t seem to be very good at their job.
Checking the phone during site set up?! Even content creators are teaching BAD HABITS!! BAD!! VERY BAD!! Go to your room and you think about what you DIDN’T do today!!
10:00 How about we buff attackers so we have a better counter to powerful and fun defenders, it will make the game more enjoyable, with powerful ability and big brain plays for both defender and attackers. Higher the ceiling. Encourage creativity.
Haven’t been around here in a while, did Gregor transition? Not judging or anything and if that is the case, super happy for him/her just looking for some info pls
I realy dont get r6 pro league like realy🤦 the whole problem with siege is that it has never been a good game like think 9year old game and every fk season the game is broken somehow like there realy is no season that would be working one from day 1. Another point is it was awesome and fun to play still one of my favourite games dont get me wrong. But nowdays its only tryhards and ugh🤢 they should just give all the devices to every operator if all defenders wants to play with c4 let them if everyone wants to use 1.5scope or acog then let them. Its annoying like you we give this guy now frag granades🤷 mid season patch yup no More picrate is too high🤷 so give all devices rather than changing those operatos all the time. Also ranked 2.0 is total bs its like worst ranked mode on any game hands down. Make it fun again then i migth come back. But at this state its total bs.
