For those non-Chinese speakers, the caption at the start literally says "Yeah! Take bras off!" Surprisingly it sounds very close to China Joy, so props to either Dennis or Andy.
It is Nvidia's fault though. The launch prices of the 3000 series were never the real cost of their cards. That pricing was there to give Nvidia a good look in front of the press during product reviews, and Nvidia just produced a small quantity so that the losses they took were not too significant. Their cooler design was insanely expensive after all. The real cost of the cards and the cooling required to handle their incredible power draw was passed onto the AIB's to make it work. That is why they're looking for alternative forms of business such as selling GPU's to retailers packaged with other products they make, such as PC accessories, to bring in revenue.
I feel SO LUCKY that I decided to build my computer right before the pandemic and shortages started. I can't imagine even trying to source all of the parts at "reasonable prices" by todays standards.
It's still a really good card. Even better than the 2060 in terms of vram. Especially with now FSR being applied to many games and actually looking pretty good when upscaled to 1440p, I feel like the 1080 can still last a few more years, even at 1440p.
And on the December of 2022, the GPU prices has made sense for a while(at least in Indonesia), and I just bought myself an upgrade to RX 6600 from RX 470.
That intro confused me for a bit- thought I accidentally got pranked by my friends; but realized that I don't have friends, and was watching a Linus vid.
So this is the AMD GPU that was originally envisioned for the $200 - 300 sweet spot. Thanks Covid, miners & scalpers. Looks like the most hated awards 2021 is going to a three way battle.
It's not just covid, miners, and scalpers. AMD's priority customers are console makers Sony and Microsoft, and system integrators like Dell and Lenovo. AMD learned from the past 5 years that no matter what it puts out, Nvidia's mindshare is just so strong that people will always an Nvidia product over an AMD one. So this isn't AMD fan's fault, but rather, the PC Master Race stupidly creating a monopoly(Nvidia and Intel) that loves to sell overpriced products featuring server-grade hardware that gamers don't need (Tensor cores). Thank goodness people have walked away from Intel, but Nvidia can sell a $2,000 4080 Ti and people will still buy it.
There is no reason for them to be in competition. Make it a 3 way tie. They all suck and interact to make each other worse than they could be individually.
@@MarketAndChurch No DLSS was the reason I got a 3080 without second thought. And AMD FSR's new move being available on NVIDIA, while appreciated, I would still go 3080 without thinking again. I get FSR AND DLSS? Why would I pay a very similar price for similar raw performance, when one has an extra feature that can triple your FPS.
I hope we see more VAG cards soon… Also this was probably the best GPU market overview LTT have done. Just the facts, not too much opinion… the market is so screwed.
Depends what refresh rate we're talking about 1080p240 is roughly equivalent to 4k60 in raw data, though of course I know that's not exactly how it works
@@PseudoKnight if u got a decent pc not playing in 1440p is such a waste. unless you are playing really competitive games and cant get high fps with 1440p or dont mind* 60hz 4k
@@BuddahBlueMage ik but was just addressing that cuz sometimes adults think Gen Z is dumb and all which i kinda get after seeing commentary videos about Tw*tter and T*kT*k but still just because im Gen Z doesn't mean i can't be a 3D artist lol. Cause cgi requires generally a good computer specs and GPU is one of them. Since my amd radeon broke for some reason and now im confined to Intel i3 4 cores then really slow rendering lol and especially simulation and sculpting. Because of that now i can't finish blender guru anvil (require sculpt). :(
The last time I felt good about a card launch was the 10 series. The 20 series was super expensive and darkened by the fact that raytracing was not yet widely implemented in software. And of course now we have the 30 series that was supposed to be a great, nicely priced launch... but, well, here we are. I really want tech to be exciting again.
That's simply not true. AMD Cards in Europe have been dropping for MSRP every Thursday for Months now. And Scalper Prices for these are barely over MSRP, for Reference Cards at least. 3080s went for over 2000€ a couple Months ago on Ebay. They're now being sold for around half that so i don't really understand what you mean with "STILL hasn't come down in price significantly" lol
@@C0dingschmuser Yep what's bringing the prices down of these cards is because nobody would want them if they keep releasing these new cards for no noticeable reason.
@@C0dingschmuser Europe is a big place though. Prices in Ireland & UK vs Germany vs Italy or Hungary are wildly different, but it does go to show which distributors are scalping retailers/retailers are scalping us.
I am paying about 5% attention to this announcement as it runs in the background as I don't expect to be able to even find this product in the store or online at any time in the near future.
amd cards seem somewhat in stock, microcenter has actual inventory on the 6700xt and 6900xt, no 6800 and 6800xt's but this one might actually stay low but i doubt i'll see it for less than 700$
I bought a 1080 ti years ago and I paired it with a 1080p ultra-wide monitor. I still game on most games at max settings with near 90 fps. I have no rush at all to update my rig
Yes, traditional solder is made out of tin and lead, but solder that is used in manufacturing is most of the time (if not all the time) lead-free. This kind of solder consists of like 98-99% of tin and the rest might be other metals like copper, so the price of lead is not high because of solder or does not effect price/availability of graphic cards.
I'm pretty sure the only place you're required to use lead-free solder is in plumbing. Leaded solder is a lot easier to work with so I don't see why they wouldn't use it in electronics where there's basically no downside to using lead. Just because it's better doesn't necessarily mean it's more used of course, but I would wonder why if it wasn't.
@@srkibble The move to lead-free solder was prompted by the RoHS nearly 20 years ago. Most electronics end up in landfills after a few years, and the EU wished to mitigate hazardous substances leaching from e-waste.
@@srkibble Look on any modern circuit board for the RoHS logo. That means that the board in question is lead-free. Id wager 99% of consumer product boards are lead free now. The only people who can still use lead in their solder is the military and some critical medical devices.
@@srkibble a lot of countries now have reduction of hazardous substances regulations for imports and manufacturing of electronic goods. I have used good quality lead free solders and they are fine.
Linus: Another gpu that no one can afford. Also linus:OR IS IT...... Me:OR IS IT.....*gets closer to the screen*. Linus:yes it is. Me: "I FEEL CHEATED"
I really don't understand this. There are people still buying RTX 3050 card. Do average gamers have no clue and don't pay attention to market or performance at all? RX 6600 is a better card. Clearly RTX 4050 is going to be priced like 1070ti once was, all while delivering maybe 5600XT like performance. It probably won't even match the 2070 super, and they are going to charge basically 2070 super prices for it. In other word, ZERO generational uplift. If you charge more cost for the performance you don't have generational uplift. Generational uplift is also market metric. If you could pay for anything then it doesn't matter because you could just stick Titans in 3 way SLI or purchase a supecomputer. Cost matters. Generational uplifft and Moore's Law predicate on same cost to SKU and performance level improve at each level per generation. If it simply cost the same, there is no improvement. Therefore Lovelace has worst generational improvement of graphic cards I can even remember. Etherium already is gone so there is no reason to charge like this. It's just stupid. It doesn't matter if you can afford them if it is shitty product with shitty prices. Fermi runs cooler than 40 series cards. FERMI is cool compared to it. And it cost so much more money. Basically it is like buying RDNA 1 and Turing cards. The whole point was to make 4k gaming a reality anyway, but clearly affordable 4k gaming was technically possible, but the megacorps made it impossible again. I could have paid thousands of dollars for 2080ti SLI with 1200w PSU and overheating 900k CPU and $900 monitor years ago. It's still high TDP, high cost, just new names.
This is the right way forward, a larger number of smaller cards is what helps because the supply situation is quantity not quality. Reducing the average price of GPUs with GPUs such as the 6600 XT is what truly helps.
Jensen just wants to murder the used market. Because you can't keep mafia cartel prices with many used cards flooding market, that is why they made cheap shitty mining cards without display out, locked down crap that would be directly ewaste than fall into gamer hands, and funniest thing they clearly put those 12gb of VRAM onto 3060 just because it was originally meant to be in mining racks probably. That made 3060 the more attractive mining card, opposed to 3060ti and 3070 which had fewer VRAM. At least I can think no other reason for cripple the 3060ti, 3070, 3070ti, and 3080 but still put adequate VRAM onto 3060, unless they think 3060 performance will age so poorly enough you begin having frame drop before hitting the VRAM issue. I swear they design these to break. I think they will make shitty thing like Stadia and geforce NowTM into mandatory features by pricing all card out of the market until only oligarchs can afford to own GPU, then make GPU as a subscription service so they fully control all monopoly supply on hardware, I mean physically control it like some NATO country murdering Gaddafi to physically steal and hoard Libyan gold. This will eliminate the need to find sneaky weird shit to cripple and destroy their used market, if there is no used market anymore. Thank God Intel and AMD was still there. Problem, if people stupidly keep buying crapcard liek 3050 and 1630 or even pay for GT710 for some psychotic reason and consumers are too ignorant. That is why these companies want gullible childlike consumers, the physical child is the model consumer, irrational, stupid, impulse driven, over emotional and not logical, forgetful, self absorbed, easily influenced by company propaganda. The worst thing to happen to tech companies is tech journalism exposing their failings to the market. Sadly so many these companies fail(((( from Gigabyte to MSI anything, ASRock throwing a butthurt at their shitty cheap board, nVidia and Apple anything, Dell and HP anything, increasingly Lenovo act like HP you know Legion now have proprietary shitboard too? So don't buy a Lenovo prebuilt either. Or maybe it was Asus started doing that too.
I remember those times when the gpu videos where all about their performance and if it was a great choice for gamers. Now all we see is pricing and how we are probably not gonna be able to get one
My 1070 Ti I bought used 2 years ago chews through anything I throw at it, it's great. Even let's me dabble with blender renders with reasonable render times.
@@scorch527 Mine was great until I started trying to play at 4k but it is still a very solid 1440p performer in newer games and can play older games at 4k. I bought mine at the end of 2019 and man am I glad that I got it then instead of just waiting for 30xx series.
@@XxTheProElitexX Yep. If your monitor is above 1080p you are definitely not gonna have fun if you have a low-mid end card from the 10 series or older in most modern titles, especially AAA titles.
Another card you can't afford because of miners and scalpers "Or is it?" "Yes it is" Stop playing with my heart like that 😭. Atm I am praying to all the Gods my 1050ti doesn't break down, so I can still play old, indie and esports games.
Outside of praying I would start monitoring these 3 temps with hwinfo: GPU temperature: Shouldn't exceed 70 C degrees GPU Hot Spot: Shouldn't exceed 83 C degrees GPU VRM: Shouldn't exceed 80 C degrees If these are higher put new thermal paste on it or use MSI afterburner and put fans at higher speed.
If you keep your temps at a good range, your card will last a LONG time. I have a gtx 570 that I absolutely slaughtered with games at a young age (played demanding games like ARK survival evolved, assetto corsa, mc with tons of mods, etc. And it's still kicking in my secondary pc today. As long as you dont fry it (at least any worse than I did) dont worry buddy
Right as I'm finally independent from my family and able to make my own money. Guess my dual core Athlon will have to suffer for a few more years when I finally win the lottery and get a 20 year old 750ti
Which is why I highly recommend people to buy a console(not scalped) or try to have a good internet connection for streaming services like GeForce Now rather than paying scalper prices for GPUs.
I'm so glad I got my 1070 just before prices got untenable, it's thankfully still going strong (yeah, it's not the creme de la creme, but I could at least enjoy all the games so far I've thrown at it). I honestly don't know what I'd do if I had to buy a new one tomorrow, it's no longer "what's the best one I can afford at my budget", it's "what's the least bad price I can find for my minimum requirements"
I love how everyone hates on this card but it outperforms the 3060 and sells for less money . Sure the 3060Ti wallops it, but at a greatly increased cost here. I don't like the current prices, but this card is great for me, sips power and games at 1440p for all the crap I play. Hating on it because of MRSP doesn't mean a thing... what they are actually selling for means everything right now.
I've saved up for an almost complete PC overhaul with new GPU, CPU, PSU and bigger M.2 for boot-drive. I resently realized that GPUs was not gonna get a decent price any time soon, and I REFUSE to buy from scalpers; So about half of my saved budget for my upgrade has now gone to upgrading my home network with CAT 6a, a small rack with a new switch, storage for rasberry pis for a few servers i've been running virtualy from my NAS and ofc. freshen up my connection to my NAS in the process. I've also introduced some custom security, so any non-whitelistet machine on my network will recive a gift of love and attention from me and my software. ;-) It is coded to not leave my network on its own, but DAMN I do not wanna be that dude that trys to break in!
Way to sell yourself short & create a self-fulfilling prophecy. Build & humble yourself to an audience willing to pay you to continue working hard at a particular skill, and you will give yourself a shot.
I'd like to be the one to point out that at the beginning of all this that just a few months before the 30 series cards launched. That everyone was talking about how anyone that just upgraded their GPU to a 20 series card would feel pretty dumb about doing so at the time. As of the 30 series launch I had just gotten my 2080 TI roughly 9 months prior. Let me tell you... I sure am happy that I got it when I did.
So happy i told my friend to go to best buy when their was 1 left in stock last summer his other friend was telling him not to i for real called him up on the phone and was like yelling at him lol as i knew he wanted to play flight sim so effing bad when it hit the market and that same day he went.
Yup, I decided to get a 2060 Super because of the NVENC encoder and I figured I'd just sell it to get a 30 series card when those came out instead of waiting. Turns out the 20s weren't a waste, after all.
2080ti is still an incredible card, basically on par with my 3070. I did get mine from a scalper. On the plus side it was $700, then the following week scalpers were asking like $1200, because the shortage just started. Half the msrp of a new 2080ti, with roughly the same performance. I Can't even be mad.
You've just got to get smart about this. I was getting annoyed with GPU prices, instead of letting it get to me I bought AMD shares. It only took a few weeks and I'd made enough to cover a new card.
I feel like there might be an economic crash in the next year or so. Unless strong efforts are put into balancing prices back to normal, it looks like everything is going to get more and more expensive. I'm personally holding off on this GPU generation because the price to performance is horrendous, and I feel like there's many others who feel the same way - And not just in the GPU market.
Yes, things are getting more expensive (with gasoline being a precursor here in Europe). Not just a tiny bit, we're seeing 25 to 33 percent higher prices on some goods. Meanwhile factories are laying off people due to decreased demand induced by the pandemic. In the end, citizens will be 20 percent poorer and many will be unemployed
@@thenasadude6878 To be fair, this could be the main reason of this pandemic - ruin the poor and enrich the rich even more, so that the poor will work his ass off for the rich.
Oh a crash is definitely coming. Here in the US we put so much money into circulation from our various stimulus packages that prices on EVERYTHING, and I mean even basic things like food, fuel, electricity costs, basically anything with a price tag that's sold in stores is jumping up in price. Everyone clapped & cheered when we got those stimulus packages, but I just shook my head and said "This will come back and bite us in the ass". Sure enough, it's beginning to happen.
The 3060 now is about $700 where I am For the same exact performance actually a bit better NOW you can get a brand new RX 6600 xt. I'm so glad AMD exists.
I’m really grateful for linus and his teams to actually do the research, show the numbers and the sources, and deliver it without drama, hyper or general internet bullshit.
6:45 small correction: tin and lead make up most popular consumer solder, but lead usage on a large scale is limited according to WEEE and RoHS, so they would use something lead-free like tin-silver-copper (SnAgCu), though the point about increasing metal prices still stands.
@@armadillito You can read about it on Wiki en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead#Applications, but in short mostly: ICE car batteries (lead-acid), protective shielding around short wavelength radiation, ammunition, some power cables sheeting, additives to alloys for better mechanical characteristics (and of course, as mentioned before, solder, though only for personal and small scale use).
@@bar10005 AVGAS is actually still leaded as well, believe it or not. And I think some of the race fuel they use in drag racing might be leaded, but that’s incredibly limited use.
@@levygaming3133 Yeah, forgot about AVGAS, but it's important to point out that AVGAS is only used in piston engines, so typically smaller aircrafts, jet engines don't need lead and use unleaded Jet A or Jet A-1, so while it's still bad that we burn leaded AVGAS above our heads and we should aim at a replacement, it's on somewhat smaller scale.
One thing you missed is in australia apparently we only have one or 2 distributors that our computer shops buy from and they are driving up the prices locally here or so all the lead computer franchises claim here.
I got Legion 5 few months ago for this reason. 5800h + RTX 3070 125W for 1350 euros. It's fine for the price, even though I wasn't planning on moving to laptops quite yet.
@@werter490 yeah, I went to my local tech store and saw most gaming laptops that have gotten great reviews were either on pre-order or they are selling the demo set
It seems like it would be wise to have more producers of products like RAM and silicon chips. The fact that there are so few manufacturers also drives up prices.
I got a 3060 for $389 from EVGA. Ironically, I didn't "wait" for the 3060... I actually wanted a 3070 or 3060Ti, but never could find one after months of searching, so I settled for a 3060... better something than nothing.
@@aminelswefy1808 especially with your attitude. I recommended plenty of ppl to wait and gave two ppl shit for just giving in. Change comes only around if everyone pulls together, not just online but also commit IRL.
@@allansh828 Pricing is driven by what the market is willing to pay. If you want to pay $1000 for a $500 GPU to make your epeen feel bigger than more power to you. Yes there is a chip shortage, paying scalpers only makes it worse and I guess you are one of the morons feeding them.
About the pricing, in Brazil stuff is sometimes 6x more expensive, because not only the Dollar-Reais factor (5:1) but the taxes - most time these are calculated one upon another
@@pakman184 The bargain pricing of the 10 series is a thing of the past. Unless somehow demand plummets when the 40 series comes out or they somehow breakthrough with shortage issues, there definitely won't be sub-200-250 legitimate GPUs ever again.
@@supersop1367 Because the 3060 was released in 2020, not 2016 like the 1060. If we kept 2016 prices the 3060 would retail for $249, maybe $280 with inflation
Yup, this is $380 which still a joke for a mid tier 1080p GPU, companies have been inflating GPU prices, this shouldn't cost that. We can imagine with these recent GPU prices this will be worst than a bad joke.
@@CaveyMoth maybe because in lots of parts of the world (outside the US own little bubble) GPU prices are oftentimes outrageous and so people can't or don't see the value in upgrading their cards every two years like a mindless consoomer? Maybe because last gen technology is only now starting to be used to its full extent, a few years after launch? Maybe cause we're in the middle of a global crisis and an astronomical shortage of GPUs in general? Maybe, Idk, because getting a latest gen GPU where I live is the equivalent of buying yourself an actual used car, maybe that's why?
@@CaveyMoth it was a fantastic bang for your buck when it came out. To call it a children’s toy is a bit much though. With my overclock, my 1060 is still capable of running VR titles at medium or better, and I can play nearly all of my other games at medium to high settings at 1080 and keep above 60fps while maintaining 65-68 C at full load. That’s with Hell Let Loose, F1 2021, Warzone, Black Ops and Assetto Corsa VR. I couldn’t be happier with it. It’s still plenty capable if you already own one. Would not purchase one today though when I can buy something else, but there is no reason to throw it out if your target is 1080p 60fps like the majority of gamers
@@Rrrrry123 yeah in return it's destroying the whole entire goddamn market so I hope that it's justified it is pushing people like me completely out of the market I don't make a crap ton of money man this is ridiculous I don't have $1,000 to spend on a single computer component with my whole entire computer cost that much to make
Yep only way to get them close to MSRP are pre-builts and gaming laptops. Great if you're ready to get a whole new system and a super sucky waiting game if you can't afford it.
Working in manufacturing, I can attest to the huge cost of manufacturing damn near anything right now. It's all set to translate to end user cost increases.
I'm pretty sure the lead price has no impact since they all have to use lead free solder for RoHS compliance. I doubt they have different card with and without just for the EU and US Market with different solder. Plus I think the US has some similar rule in place
More variants likely means that they can have more variation in quality of the chips, which can let them sell the lower binned ones as a separate GPU. This can offer a cheaper alternative to some people, reducing demand for some of the higher end models.
the price of any electronic device and chips won't fall anytime soon, as the freight cost of moving those items from Asia (from china especially) had been rise up 5-6x for West coast and east coast of US ,today, compare to the same month in 2019
I mean, did you watch the video? Their profit margins aren't up by a lot. Meaning, those GPUs do cost more to produce. Buy a 580 if you want something cheap, as it ain't gonna get better than that. The node is cheap enough, GPU is fast enough. You could get a tiny gpu that's not any more performant than the 580 for the same price, but it would still be sold at a loss. Y'all need to grow up and stop buying into shit. And besides, 3rd gen Ryzen hasn't gone anywhere.
@@cIappo896 The 580s and 5500XTs aren't available they have all been sold out dude. I personally don't mind a resell of the 580 and the 5500XT series. They are still pretty strong to handle 1080p gaming. And while I do understand the point Linus is trying to make here I don't fully subscribe to it. But fine lets say correct about the GPUs. What about the CPUs? Intel can afford to sell plenty of under 200$ both 4cores and 6cores yet AMD hasn't even announced an upcoming U200$ CPU. Also not everyone shares your and Linus' opinion. Steve from Gamer's Nexus has also made plenty of points from the counterargument, that if the companies wanted to make a 200$ entry GPU they could.
All this "Global demand" sounds like exactly what we have seen for gaming. Big tech guys trying to push everyone into cloud gaming and paying them monthly instead of having your own tools on hand.
Chinese miners aren't selling that many cards as you can see by the ethereum hashrate chart. The reason miners aren't buying right now is because EIP1559 hits in August and ETH2.0 hits in Q1 2022
Card manufacturers claim chip shortage is the reason gamers can't buy a video card when they have sold twice more than normal to miners doubling their sales this past year. I want to move back to my parallel world away from this idiocracy.
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