Analysis: The Controllers Used to Win Evo 

>Initial-T: Actually wait, I need that back.

*eurobeat intensifies

Nani?! Projectile dorifto?!

AVGN baby

too bad keyboards and hitboxes are not tournament legal

no there not

The Twisted Hero they are not evo allows them as do most

u sure? i was almost sure they were

***** You know i'm not 100% sure but evo has a rules page on there website and It does not mention them

If were going by that logic then all we need to play street fighter is a bunch of bananas and wires.

Didn’t someone beat another highly skilled player using the wheel controller in Guilty Gear?

@@justs_ Yeah. It's a guy called Initial T (fitting name). Though, the way he explained his control mapping made me (and understandably a few others) think that he's basically using a giant unconventional pad. Which is a bit of a bummer, but still impressive.

there was also a rhythm gamer who used spoons as controls

@@uwillDIEinkoriDIE there is some german guy who once played league with bananas and wires

you've got the driver, the disc, and the layer

The game characters must be bit-beasts then.

I didnt know you played fighting games

Cringe

@@jaguardentk kinda But it is a strong comparison

SIY nah it’s the gcn keyboard

Nah dude the toaster oven is the most optimal choice. But I personally prefer the NES hands-free controller (look it up).

I play Power Stone on Dreamcast so the only controller for me is the Samba de Amigo maracas.

Wiimote and nunchuck

Wii shotgun peripheral

M Kasim pffft. Pathetic, try to match up to my homemade dk bongos.

Pfft, scrubs. I use a drum kit to kick ass.

Pfft I use a home made mouse suited for my foot

Low mortals, I tune my body electricity to send the signals through a wire to the controller input

@@AdalHRivera I use a kite to capture lighting bolt and send the electrical inputs to my organic light keyboard

As someone who has played five matches of smash ultimate, why is that? I played with one joycon and It felt too small.

curco escopetaloca vein that’s the joke

False lil majin uses controller and is a beast with it

I'm more of a keyboard guy when it comes to Ultimate.

I play mortal Kombat on stick.

45*

Why don’t they just use an octagon like on the GC controller? I feel like it might even be easier to manufacture because you would only have to deal with straight lines, but what do I know.

Republica Austriaca wouldn’t an octagon make it easier to input all of the cardinal directions and diagonals? Just wondering, cuz slipping wouldn’t be a problem for games where you only need 8 directions, and games where you do could still benefit from being able to input the 8 direction more reliably. As long as you don’t push to hard, or your gate isn’t lubed or something, then I don’t think slipping should be that big of a problem.

This reminds me of NASA spending all that money to research and develop the ballpoint pen for use in space, while the Russians simply used a pencil.

turning the square 90 degrees would do nothing lol its 45 degrees *squeal*

I'll be using the power glove!

+Wrong Code I'll use my guitar hero controller

I'll be using my Atari 2600 joystick with a cherry mod switch and with this upgrade you will never stand a chance.

Not........they don't allow wireless controllers.

They do, actually. However, you must disconnect the controller from the console after a match, otherwise you _will_ be disqualified.

Xuvial That's nothing. Until you learn how to play with the Kinect you're training is not complete.

I use the delicate flaps of a butterfly's wings to create air currents that focus EM radiation on certain portions of an exposed console.

+Brandon Pack there's a lisp function for that

Shit, now I can't get that xkcd comic out of my head...

Xuvial I use a bookshelf

Thats too OP

I wanna see someone win a tournament with that Bluetooth beer can controller they have out as a tourney prize

Rob the robot's gona win it for me.

I'll beat you with my nes controller wallet!

Convex Cornet 😂😂😂😂 I remember that thing!

The Guitar is for plebs, only real pros use the drums.

Oml xD

BologneyT I thought he was at least go say which is better but all he kept saying was "it's what ever your preference is"

BologneyT It's not rare, you just have to know where to look.

+Robert+ I thought something similar to that At least he told us near the beginning what the conclusion would be

to be fair, the video isn't "what's the best controller to win EVO", but "the controllers that have won evo"

well sed

But that's a BAAAD SELECTION.

yeah, that controller isnt viable at all fam. for starters. its very small and very uncomfortable to hold. and you need to wash the controller like every week like wtf man i know its waterproof but still washing a controller every week? it sucks man. but okay, use a low tier controller

Why a dead mouse, actually... why a literal mouse at all?

Then good news, I have free mice. If you can catch them, they're yours. ;)

DarkAnti The controller decomposes too quickly. It wears down after a month or so. However, new ones are practically free to get so I see where you’re coming from.

Foreshadowing.

DP inputes on a driving wheel would be a nightmare to pull off.

.welp search up intial T

Anything is possible with enough practice

Lol

Jake Reason Ahh the eyetoy,an attachment I will never forget

Fuuuuuuuck eyetoy was the shit

i still have that shit, too bad lots of people forgot about it

I'm just waiting for the Eyetoy remastered, idc what anyone says.

:(

flex zay rip

F

fuck bro this hurts

After a few rounds of fighting, your joycon stick would inevitably start drifting. Thus winning the game in your stead.

+Core-A Gaming ty again for your work man. I always was a pad player, because i have only 2 arcade cabinets in our city. And one of them is Tekken 5. No long time ago i buy a stick for my self on Aliexpress. And i think it has Japaneese stick and Sanwa buttons. My good friend inspect it, and say that it is True. That stick cost me around 85$. I know, that better buy stick min for 200-250$, but USD in Ukraine (or in my case DPR) is very expensive. Here is my question. Is it possible that i have Stick (6 buttons + start and select) with very good parts, but from uknown company for 85$?

+Никита Звада The parts are really important, but I learned that the controller itself feels very different depending on weight and spacing.

Core-A Gaming well the only one dislike in this stick that i found, was a (sorry for my bad english) buttons are way closer to stick. But as first stick i think its very good.

+Core-A Gaming I played with a pad since 6yo and decided to swap to keyboard 7 years back for arcade and fighting games when I discovered "m.a.m.e" on the pc and it felt way more natural then a pad. Got my first stick a year back and I loved it and was even easier but the stick broke (rather got fried) a couple months back and now i'm back to keyboard and I'm glad I can use both things no problems. Just wanted to say to people who thinks that fighting games are unplayable on keyboard that they really should try more then 5min before saying anything because if that's all what you have and you love fighting games.. at the end of the day is just inputs and it boils down to how accurate you can do them, that's it.

+Core-A Gaming Great video, but where is the Gamecube Controller? Melee and Smash 4 arent that small that they dont deserve to be talken about

I think Mockrock makes similar quality essays on fighting games. He’s much more smash oriented, but it scratches a similar itch for me.

Your missing out BIG time

@@Bartman35SeasonsStrong Please stop making him sadder, man.

@@nope1959 No

You can just make one by buying off arcade machines, or if you're on a budget just customize sticks and attach them to boards or a computer running MAME.

Round 1 arcades are pretty solid. There's a back half with plenty of Japanese rhythm and fighting game cabinets.

Too bad you didn't just learn how to actually play guitar...

If you win evo, you can fc megalodon.

why are you guys being mean to him? he was just saying something funny

I would pay to watch someone play competitively like this

Nick thats true for the most part but it’s more that it’s difficult. He mentions SnakeEyez who is popularly known as a pad Zangief player. I some kinda go with it and adapt. But I definitely prefer to use full rotation grapplers and charge characters on stick vs pad

Yo what a legend!

Scrub, real men use the DK bongos or a guitar hero bass guitar.

Queen ♀ Hi Queen.

You losers call those controllers? Real men use Dance Dance revolution mats.

I beat EVO using the drum kit from Rock Band.

+CEWL WILL and bongos

Have you ever tried to use a stick to play meele or any smash game? I have, and its litterly ass. you can't move the stick around fast enough to be able to perform the things that you need to do.

+blazing knights shout outs to dk jungle beat

+vioda street fighter fanboys are dicks

***** hey at least our games take real skill not just button smashing

Thanks :)

Hey at least you don't have to spend +200 dollars on a stick at least

Eric Sandoval​ Yeah, ive always been thankful for that

Wii u pro contoller is better than GCC

And some people use Nunchuk + Wiimote

Xeiter X The only real top player who does that is Scatt tho

legs0fsteel hey I know this comment is a year old but how are you liking it?

Good news, Man. Hope there is some way to recover your fingers.

+ThatFreakingCat Lol, show him this video :)

+ThatFreakingCat lmao i suck at fighting games so if i saw my friend bringing one of those over id be like oh fuck

+ThatFreakingCat lol my friends say "you only win cause you got the stick" then I'm like "ok" and hand it to them and proceed to still body them with a controller while they proceed to wreck my stick mashing on my buttons and then never get to touch it again XD

Literally only bought a stick because using pads hurt my thumbs. Pad, stick, hitbox, wheel, DK bongos, play however you want

Especially Zangief's 360 and 720 on keyboard 🥲

Lol

+Unpetraccable Haha, I heard Karin's theme from Alpha 3

I grew up playing with that too, but I rather have just the wii remote without the nunchuck. Still, I respect your opinion.

Thanks. Yeah, I've triedusing just the Wii-mote, and I'm not very good at it, but I'm sure it's not the controller's fault. I'm just not used to it.

I'm prety sure ScAtt uses the Wiimote + Nunchuck. There are actually some inputs that are easier with it.

Nizondo Yeah, they mention it in the PGR v2 video. Also, *insert smashbox joke*

You aren't the only one

a year late but jesus fuck that would be hellish, i tried playing overwatch with one once and aside from a hype and probably more luck than skill-related widowmaker headshot at the beginning of that little adventure, i got rekt

It's doable if you set it to mouse mode. In tablet mode, though... It's a good way to practice surgery

huion >:)

@@Poketrainer317 wacom gang

You got a tablet to work for an fps? I tried using one for tf2 and cs but it wouldn't aim anywhere

+Minizor27 Doh, slipped my mind. Smug is a beast.

+Core-A Gaming Phenom aswell!

+stuwee3 idk, try looking it up. he did excellent adventures if that helps.

+Minizor27 Smug does use an Xbox controller yes but almost all the other players mentioned were Evo Champions. Or at least international champions.

SonicFox plays with a Dualshock 4

Deprnding on the wheel you use and how you map the controls, it might be possible

Considering that most wheels hae the entire controller layout integrated for menus and stuff, that should work fine.

You got your wish

*cough* Initial-T *cough*

@@spookiebruh6743 Yeah Initial T beat the Guilty Gear Chanp in Top 8 with a steering wheel

+Asdayasman Gaming, anime... Is there anything they know anything about?

+Rafał Sobczyk Intersectional feminism.

+Asdayasman Isnt Kotaku feminism agenda site? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Kotaku is a joke, but where do they place in comparison to Polygon?

I have been wondering why haven't anyone mentioned saturn pad, it has all the basic controls for fighting games. abc and xyz for l,m,h punch/kick, and two shoulder buttons for l+m+h. I don't know why people buy razer raion or the madcatz fightpad, they are literally saturn pad with modern design, yet they cost like $80. You can get usb saturn pad for like $10.

Thanks, there's more to come!

It's actually the most brilliant stick ever! All the precision of a dpad but really easy to pull off the z-movements for dragon punches. Just such brilliant design!

pretty sure that the neo geo cd has a controller like that

I'll have to give it a try!

+Roy Bread - I find it funny that using anything but an arcade-stick for fighting-games gets you mocked. Hitbox and keyboards "magically" get rid of difficult execution barriers and pad just makes execution "too difficult," to play any fighter.

+Prof. TEACHER Sorry, there'll be more Smash related content (and a video dedicated to it).

I find keyboard hard to use, the inputs need to be very precise, in brawlhalla at least.

+Nunix #Justice

+Nunix That's Nico right there serving Justice.

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+Gil Thanks for watching!

Same

+Fernando Martin Same, love it.

+Fernando Martin What makes Commander 4 special for me is the ability to use 8 action buttons with the right hand and the use the left hand solely for directional input. It's like an arcade stick on a pad :-P

pad is amazing

How is the durability of these? I'm thinking on getting one soon.

+Hlidskialfk You know you can get way more accuracy using the Rock Band 2 microphone right?

+purplegill10 seriously? shit, ill try.

+Hlidskialfk lol noobs. everyone knows dj hero turntable is far superior

+Baloney not nearly as good as the DK Bongos.

No Name lol thnx

Nahh mate, DK bongo's is where it's at for the Smash 4

lol k

also gonna do it for wired bannaners for analog sticks ima main akuma gen and t hawk or cammy too. :P

With a controller like that, you won't need luck.

+Theyungcity23 Check out NOM4D too, the dude has a nasty Laura and he plays with his fucking face.

+Theyungcity23 cant use DS3 because my fingers keep moving the stick when playing on the d-pad :(

Theyungcity23 Perfect shield drops. Shit don’t exist without a good controller.

Hey, I'm new to all of this. But I've played fighting games on keyboards for the longest. Are keyboards allowed? Also, am I allowed to set up my own button configuration or is it assigned to me? Thank you

The Holy Schois it obviously depends on where you're at, but in an actual competitive tournament anything that can be used to play fighting games can be used.

me

here, tho only with Smash flash.

Brandon D yaaass

+GamingMadness242 Kinda like how Smash was never designed to be played competitively

Chris Tweten it's sad that a game never designed to be played technically is way more technical than most fighting games now a days

And you think SF2 was designed to be competitive? If so, think again.

Most of smash 4 patch were actually pretty competitive, fixing stronger characters and helping the lower tiers save for a few that did not get the chance. Not to mention bringing back DI and changing shields to make them a bit less safe overall which are changes that almost had no effect on the casual players.

A good proof that you don't know anything you're talking about if you can't even remember a major change like the one done to shield. They also made perfect shield harder, in addition to making normal shields less safe. Probably for the casuals too. They never changed Greninja counter either, even more bullshit. Corrin counter had no reason to be that much better than any other counter, casual play or not that was a dumb choice and they nerfed it . Very few characters made viable by buffs? Marth & lucina, Mewtwo, Luigi, Geninja (yes, he has way more buffs than nerfs, you're welcome), Dk, Bowser, Meta-knight, and probably more. Characters like Shulk, Charizard, Falco,Link,Ike, etc were unplayable at release and had so many buffs they are now pretty decent .. Who got the most nerfs? Ho right, top tiers in competitive. ZSS win rate on casual is very low. Guess what? Yeah, nerfed. Bayo, Cloud, Sheik, a few (too) small one for Rosa, Diddy, Luigi (to be buffed again, probably because the casual cried for combo they couldn't pull out anyway,I guess) .. TLDR : You are full of shit and putting Corrin counter as an example (while she had many nerfs actually, since they found her too strong after release, nothing weird to tone her town a bit) or changes that did not happen like greninja counter does not help your case. Good day.

what the fuck

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