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Analysis: What Makes a Move Overpowered? 

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An in-depth look at what makes a move powerful in fighting games and why it matters. Also known as "a frame data video your friends can understand".
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@pottsnpans7857
@pottsnpans7857 4 года назад
It's over when somebody figures out how to L-cancel in basketball
@deepwebwhirlpool
@deepwebwhirlpool 3 года назад
baseball wavedashing, cant handle my jackie robinson shmovement
@dontreadthiscomment3026
@dontreadthiscomment3026 3 года назад
Likes well deserved
@theonlybass8947
@theonlybass8947 3 года назад
@whirlpool. nah itll be over when they figure out how to powershield the ball. It’s immediately ground actionable so you have frame advantage against the fielded team.
@ItSquishy
@ItSquishy 3 года назад
Watch me learn to parry the frickin ball
@Toucan_Sam3319
@Toucan_Sam3319 3 года назад
I don’t get it
@joshuadurham9570
@joshuadurham9570 7 лет назад
Zelda's down-B in Melee; it literally turns her into a top-tier.
@akasakasvault7597
@akasakasvault7597 4 года назад
Someone : zelda's down b melee Fox mains : i'm about to end this man's whole career
@DontStopMeGaLo
@DontStopMeGaLo 4 года назад
@@akasakasvault7597 Woman*
@akasakasvault7597
@akasakasvault7597 4 года назад
@@DontStopMeGaLo right indeed
@kuro-dr1im
@kuro-dr1im 4 года назад
DontStopMeGaLo well we don’t know her pronouns because she is oppressed by link and her male creators
@willard1089
@willard1089 4 года назад
Fox?!? No... Bayonetta.
@djnumonic
@djnumonic 6 лет назад
lmfao that cancel during the real baseball clip had me rolling
@grassroots15
@grassroots15 5 лет назад
absolutely agreed haha
@richman360
@richman360 5 лет назад
I know dude, I fucking died the first time I watched that
@PokemonTrainerVince
@PokemonTrainerVince 5 лет назад
It was crazy. lol
@bulletsunderpressure
@bulletsunderpressure 4 года назад
thats was so genius! 😄
@angelinadash2396
@angelinadash2396 4 года назад
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA X'DDDDDD
@ghostleemann955
@ghostleemann955 3 года назад
my favorite move is the CPU blocks and puts you in hitstun for 84 years
@Royozo-nh5tq
@Royozo-nh5tq 3 года назад
Man they should nerf it
@shootingrock7213
@shootingrock7213 3 года назад
Mine is the wifi lag switch where both player randomly get put in hitstun and dies randomly.
@jonmichaeljoshua9164
@jonmichaeljoshua9164 3 года назад
My favorite is when I finally stun Akuma and he immediately wakes back up
@ghostleemann955
@ghostleemann955 3 года назад
@@jonmichaeljoshua9164 oof
@DreamWeave288
@DreamWeave288 3 года назад
Shut up you fucking moron
@baudrate-7577
@baudrate-7577 7 лет назад
that baseball edit is one of the best things I have seen in my life.
@kingcrowbro2486
@kingcrowbro2486 7 лет назад
If that was thing, I'd be all over baseball.
@CoreAGaming
@CoreAGaming 7 лет назад
Thanks, pretty proud of that one lol.
@riki9573
@riki9573 7 лет назад
Lmao right?!
@tempatempo3805
@tempatempo3805 7 лет назад
Wait, you can FADC in Real live? How!!!!!!!!!
@gunhed67
@gunhed67 7 лет назад
Yeah I had to pause it and take breather after that one. So good XD
@theivace9705
@theivace9705 7 лет назад
I NEED a gif of that Focus Cancel in that Baseball game.
@Nicholas8929
@Nicholas8929 7 лет назад
That cracked me up.
@carlosthetruedragon
@carlosthetruedragon 7 лет назад
So true need it bad
@GrantPattersonPlaysGames
@GrantPattersonPlaysGames 7 лет назад
I'm working on making that right now. Also, putting Gerald's logo in it so he gets credit for that forever. Patience, please.
@Anthar1989
@Anthar1989 7 лет назад
I´m still waiting Patterson...
@Nicholas8929
@Nicholas8929 7 лет назад
YES! Thank you!
@MrJ1GS4W
@MrJ1GS4W 6 лет назад
-"Frame Data god" -Shows M2K Core-A gets it.
@iLiokardo
@iLiokardo 4 года назад
seems so
@shady8045
@shady8045 4 года назад
lol m2k
@CroissantsSlay
@CroissantsSlay 3 года назад
ye
@Ganmorg
@Ganmorg 3 года назад
I remember when I was talking to my Melee friend and he told me that frame data is important in the game and it was basically all discovered by M2K. What a madlad
@leofont6026
@leofont6026 3 года назад
Lmfa9
@azophi
@azophi 4 года назад
Fox's shine: Wait what are start up frames again?
@z_khas5819
@z_khas5819 4 года назад
Fox's shine also: and whats that thing called end lag?
@azophi
@azophi 4 года назад
@@z_khas5819 l cancelling lol
@azophi
@azophi 4 года назад
@Frax ...? dude that's melee, melee is kind of a completely different game than ultimate.. You could say that melee had no sequel, but brawl had smash 4 and ultimate as a sequel. Melee feels so different, that it's just- it's like a new type of fighting game. And it's going strong while nearing 20 years old
@azophi
@azophi 4 года назад
@Frax i mean .. yeah. Smash is a platform fighter. It's different than other fighting games. But Ultimate is uh .. literally the most popular fighting game of all time since it has the most sales, so I would realllly count it as a legit fighting game. Also it's technically a party game, huh
@azophi
@azophi 4 года назад
@Frax ... kay then man If you want to say the most popular fighting game of all time isnt a fighting game just because it's different then I guess so. OH yeah melee does actually have a sequel though- Project M (/project plus)
@CBFan5000
@CBFan5000 6 лет назад
2 kinds of cheap: The legitimately cheap move and the move we call cheap when we get pissed.
@shybandit521
@shybandit521 4 года назад
The difference between Fox's Down Special and Mario's Down Special
@ThatLadAndre
@ThatLadAndre 4 года назад
@@shybandit521 that is so accurate, it's scary.
@shybandit521
@shybandit521 4 года назад
I can't tell which is which but I'd say Mario Down Special is the actual cheap one because with one button and directional input, it invalidates most recoveries in the game and leads to an instant death
@ThatLadAndre
@ThatLadAndre 4 года назад
@@shybandit521 Either way, you could still piss people off. And that is the reason why i do not have friends anymore.
@syweb2
@syweb2 4 года назад
@@shybandit521 He's referring to them respectively - Fox's down special is cheap (in melee) because it flat-out has almost no startup, a lot of active frames, and very few recovery frames, making it very spammable in just about any context. Post-Melee, Mario's down special is kind of annoying because it fucks up a few recoveries, but it otherwise is just a windbox that just gives you some space - you call it cheap when you're pissed because you got gimped, but Fox's down special is stupidly useful in practically any circumstance.
@SuperrAhTac
@SuperrAhTac 7 лет назад
lol the FADC Baseball omg
@liraco_mx
@liraco_mx 7 лет назад
Made my day. That needs to be a short clip by itself. Also, we need to implement that in real sports. XD
@Shining4Dawn
@Shining4Dawn 7 лет назад
That thing was pure genius!
@rogenfx
@rogenfx 7 лет назад
I burst my water when I saw that. LMAO.
@VongolaBeverly
@VongolaBeverly 7 лет назад
Derick Cheater! Lol
@gamemaniac85
@gamemaniac85 7 лет назад
+Liraco imagine NBA jump shot recovery
@dalton1209
@dalton1209 6 лет назад
Something is op if it doesn't have a sufficient amount of counter play or the counter play available is significantly harder than the thing it counters.
@Zlysium
@Zlysium 6 лет назад
Something people in league of legends have very little understanding of. So many people are like A isn't OP because B on this one champion completely counters it. Not realizing that A completely shits on absolutely every other top laner. And that the jungler does not have any impact on the over or under powered scale of a laner. As it is an outside factor. Arguing with people about Pantheon gives me a migraine.
@pinkpidgeon6926
@pinkpidgeon6926 6 лет назад
and also the fact that not every single champion is avaible makes it hard.Like do i have to spent my points to buy a champion that i dont like to counter a OP champion?
@BuceGar
@BuceGar 6 лет назад
As a Pantheon main, I'll tell you that "manaless" champions that can spam their abilities non-stop all the way to level 6 and above without backing, gives me a migraine.
@Zlysium
@Zlysium 6 лет назад
Well as Pantheon the only manaless champion you have anything to fear from is Kennen. Maybe if you're having an off day Vladimir could annoy you. But for the most part you shit on Shen Riven Yasuo Zed Tryndamere Rumble Rengar Mordekaiser Kled and Kayn.
@edwardhoffenheim3249
@edwardhoffenheim3249 6 лет назад
To be completely honest hearing league players saying shit has "no counter play" gives me. A migraine. Because it is said about EVERYTHING in the game. Doesn't help that they all pretend that what they're complaining about doesn't have flaws.
@tona4170
@tona4170 4 года назад
7:26 I literally forgot this was a video about Overpowered Moves, everything just became a Frame Data lesson
@aidiknocles
@aidiknocles 2 года назад
Where can I sign?
@WhiteManOnCampus
@WhiteManOnCampus 5 лет назад
"Would be like a mix of kendo and fencing." So, like the original three movies where the lightsabers rarely made contact with one another and the fights were more philosophical debates punctuated by violence?
@Eight-Bytes
@Eight-Bytes 7 лет назад
Sick follow-through to FADC. Got that homerun on lock down.
@ajohntae160
@ajohntae160 7 лет назад
Baseball would be 10 times more interesting with FADC-ing
@Jerails
@Jerails 7 лет назад
Just imagine having to build up meter through getting struck out a couple times or hitting some singles or a double, and the sportscaster describing how much "butter" a batter is bringing to their turn at bat.
@ajohntae160
@ajohntae160 7 лет назад
Can you imagine being the last person to hit as your team almost is down by a home-run and getting a last second Ultra?
@anomaly7853
@anomaly7853 3 года назад
When I played Tekken 4 with my older brother on the PS2, we thought that Hwoarang's Left Viper Kick was overpowered since it could be chained infinitely, but neither of us knew that one could simply duck out of it after the first two slaps.
@Brightside1738
@Brightside1738 4 года назад
My fav fighting game move is a classic one that starts with a question and ends with death. “Are you ok?” BUSTER WOLF
@khaliphileskosana4536
@khaliphileskosana4536 3 года назад
Omg i can almost hear it
@jaimereupert4247
@jaimereupert4247 3 года назад
What game is that from?
@khaliphileskosana4536
@khaliphileskosana4536 3 года назад
@@jaimereupert4247 king of fighters or fatal fury
@chuyrenteria6252
@chuyrenteria6252 3 года назад
@@khaliphileskosana4536 yup, said by Terry Bogard.
@khaliphileskosana4536
@khaliphileskosana4536 3 года назад
@@chuyrenteria6252 mmhmm
@squiddler7731
@squiddler7731 7 лет назад
"The FBI says it can't find hackers to hire because they all smoke pot" I know this has nothing to do with the video, but did anyone else find that kind of hilarious?
@M4TTYN
@M4TTYN 4 года назад
very! lol too high to contact your informant on a FBI case cause munchies was too strong lmao
@DaArcaneNinja
@DaArcaneNinja 4 года назад
@Paul Johnson They mean talented hackers who smoke weed get disqualified to work for the FBI. You must be sober to be hired by them
@MayHugger
@MayHugger 3 года назад
Hacking in to their headquarters? Cool, let's hire them! Oh wait, they smoke? Nah, fuck that!
@normanmartin6345
@normanmartin6345 Год назад
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@lazyDude77
@lazyDude77 7 лет назад
This shit should be taught in universities.
@duffman18
@duffman18 5 лет назад
It is. They do degrees in game design now
@ronnydingus
@ronnydingus 5 лет назад
Look up UC SANTA CRUZ. They have a video game department.
@Sukaiba69
@Sukaiba69 4 года назад
@@duffman18 I thought since we are in 2019, that would just require you to learn how to design microtransactions and lootboxes.
@Rex-golf_player810
@Rex-golf_player810 4 года назад
Only in VGHS
@ivanyy
@ivanyy 3 года назад
@@Sukaiba69 Not really, that's what companies teach
@BonoboJunge
@BonoboJunge 6 лет назад
lol the moment the baseballplayer dash-canceled the hit... dude your videos are freaking amazing! I actually learn stuff and the examples and editing is sweet... nice job
@AddieB55
@AddieB55 6 лет назад
0:47 "While you don't have to be a frame data god" Clip shows M2k. Dope shoutout.
@yanissalah6125
@yanissalah6125 7 лет назад
Fox's Shine That's it
@hamishmacdonald8593
@hamishmacdonald8593 7 лет назад
Yes.
@NMGardening
@NMGardening 7 лет назад
pro tip: just play fox and stop crying lol
@jonathanh7509
@jonathanh7509 7 лет назад
Just pick samus
@sefayildirim3775
@sefayildirim3775 7 лет назад
Jiggs rest and metaknight as a whole
@HarryBergerVEVO
@HarryBergerVEVO 7 лет назад
I'm pretty sure this video is talking about fighting games
@chaptap8376
@chaptap8376 7 лет назад
4:46 King Crimson activated
@TUZOIVAN16
@TUZOIVAN16 7 лет назад
It just works.
@yoshikagekira5086
@yoshikagekira5086 6 лет назад
KIUNG CRIMSON NO NORIOKU
@thomaspearce9222
@thomaspearce9222 6 лет назад
Nice
@legendofsonic3979
@legendofsonic3979 5 лет назад
KEKKA DAKE DA
@dragonzx1736
@dragonzx1736 5 лет назад
K I N G U K U R I M U Z O N
@ZobmieRules
@ZobmieRules 5 лет назад
Everyone is commenting on FADC baseball. AND I ENTIRELY AGREE.
@SilvWith5Vs
@SilvWith5Vs 3 года назад
Genocide Cutter is still a goddamn nightmare to me(and others).
@mystwerks
@mystwerks 7 лет назад
A 1 frame move that works in all situations, can lead to a death combo, has a jump cancel frame at 4, and can be reapeted at 7, can infinite combo, can be jced int an aerial (true combo) and can spike. This is the Shine.
@mystwerks
@mystwerks 7 лет назад
a semi broken game like melee is fun as hell
@thesaucypickle9866
@thesaucypickle9866 7 лет назад
it can't true infinte with out a wall and even then some characters can get out of it it also doesn't lead to 0 to death combo's on the entire cast it also has a fairly small hitbox also you missed the fa ct that it causes tons of hitstun its broken but you make it seem like a move that ruins the game
@mystwerks
@mystwerks 7 лет назад
its a joke i main fox lol
@mystwerks
@mystwerks 7 лет назад
i know this but it still is an infinite, just not a true infinite, and waveshines eat up marth, its just a joke mait
@trrwoof
@trrwoof 7 лет назад
+TheSaucyPickle nah wave shine turn around is an infinite but it actually takes the hands of a god to pull off
@lucasgarcia4193
@lucasgarcia4193 7 лет назад
This guy amazes me with every video he does. He is capable of saying all that information in a record period of time. That must take you a lot of time along with editing the video, that's why i respect you and I think your videos are top. The first move i can think about right now is zangief's cr HK in street fighter 2 champion edition
@CoreAGaming
@CoreAGaming 7 лет назад
Thanks, man. Wish I could make more faster :)
@ExistentialPineapple
@ExistentialPineapple 5 лет назад
Hey I just wanted to say your videos are all fantastic. From the jazz music to the editing, all aspects of them are just spectacular. Keep up the great work and thank you so much for all of your insight, not just on fighting games, but gaming as a whole.
@mardood8106
@mardood8106 2 года назад
This is a great video, it really helped improve my fundamental understanding of fighting games and as someone who is just getting into the genre I really appreciate that.
@alphiecole9087
@alphiecole9087 7 лет назад
one true-broken move in I forget which KoF was Rugal's Genocide cutter. screensweeper projectile that's a bitch to dodge, fast, eats a quarter of your health, and if you try and counter it with a projectile it can freeze into an impassable wall of instadeath that he's immune to. then again, SNK boss priveleges.
@CoreAGaming
@CoreAGaming 7 лет назад
For those who are confused by the title, it was made with my casual friends in mind. They didn't know that making Ryu's cr.mk startup a couple frames faster could make the character broken, and that most balance updates focus more on frame data than anything else.
@PomLamb
@PomLamb 7 лет назад
Nicely done I especially like this part. 4:45 Your channel has helped me improve so much and has helped me understand the game in a way none else could. Thank you.
@carlosthetruedragon
@carlosthetruedragon 7 лет назад
LMFAOOO THE EX BAT SWING KILLED ME Id do that all the time lmaaooo
@carlosthetruedragon
@carlosthetruedragon 7 лет назад
lol im mean cancel
@fuzinonzlot
@fuzinonzlot 7 лет назад
*"Now I understand fighting games being a little broken can be fun, but that's a topic for another video"* Please, let this be for your next video!
@Sansanmar
@Sansanmar 7 лет назад
+carlosthetruedragon yep, my favourite moment
@outrageousc2359
@outrageousc2359 6 лет назад
Your editing is top notch! Love all the little clips and sprites moving around
@KamenRiderAliks
@KamenRiderAliks 6 лет назад
Probably my most favorite infamous overpowered move is the Air Hyper Viper Beam in MvC2 by Cable, the hypercombo that can be combo'd into itself if you just landed and jumped again, with zero delay. The ultimate overpowered cheap move.
@psycholuigiman
@psycholuigiman 7 лет назад
What the Hell?! This is actually really in depth, calm, and civil. Like, even a filthy casual like me knew some of the basic stuff outlined in this video. I'm not complaining mind you. I'm just not used to anything about fighting games being so... polite and friendly (other than Maximillion Dood). Did I miss something between 2007 (when I quit fighting games) and 2016? Is the FGC not a hostile cesspool of tryhards, and edgelords bent on scaring away casuals and noobs anymore? Is now the time for a gamer like me, who's just looking for a fun match and not to practice for EVO, to get back into fighting games? It sure feels like it all of a sudden. EDIT: Oh, and thanks for the video. I really appreciate stuff like this that sheds light on how games work and stuff like that.
@curlybrace4984
@curlybrace4984 6 лет назад
Nah, it's still kinda bad.
@hiroprotagonest
@hiroprotagonest 5 лет назад
Man, you guys sure are intent on scaring him off huh. But I have to admit, there's a reason I haven't really gotten into any besides the Skullgirls community. SGC is great, they're like "you want to play our game? Welcome aboard, and here's stuff you can practice to solve that problem you're having." They largely avoid the old-school cliquiness or the big-time dramatics. Vampire Savior community seems good too.
@MUGENanaya
@MUGENanaya 5 лет назад
HiroProtagonest A bit late, but i think a good root for SG’s welcoming community is as spite of other communities when they were sessentially kicked out of EVO due to Marvel hustling in (Which is why the community laughed their ass off when MvCI got the boot)
@nathanperez9596
@nathanperez9596 5 лет назад
Lol "did i miss anything will being gone for 9 years?"
@aspreedacore
@aspreedacore 5 лет назад
@ even in casuals people are aholes lol, no finishing a set, opting out, rage quitting etc
@eejdmrj3hw
@eejdmrj3hw 7 лет назад
@3:32 In the original Starwars trilogy, 4-6, that's how lightsaber fights were
@e.n8461
@e.n8461 4 года назад
Especially in the one in new hope between Vader and obi won
@xolotltolox7626
@xolotltolox7626 4 года назад
@@e.n8461 no that is nowhere near fencing
@MrLoowiz
@MrLoowiz 4 года назад
My favorite OP move is Pan's straight punch in Dragon Ball Final Bout. Its recovery time was faster than the hit stun duration, so you could keep punching until your opponent got K.O.ed. Basically, if you landed the punch when your opponent is not flying or jumping, you've won the match.
@Jefrejtor
@Jefrejtor 6 лет назад
I know nothing about fighting games, but you manage to make these vidoes both informative and fun to watch. Amazing work dude!
@tamerdp
@tamerdp 7 лет назад
This would have helped a lot of people get more involved in the ESPN evo thing. Great vid.
@CoreAGaming
@CoreAGaming 7 лет назад
Yeah, most people don't know how good a strong normal can be.
@gamehead1223
@gamehead1223 7 лет назад
you are now the fighting game tut guy.
@BlueBD
@BlueBD 7 лет назад
old video but i loved the baseball editing you did lol. "It might look like this" *flash* "batter: im out suckas."
@jaschabull2365
@jaschabull2365 6 лет назад
I actually find the idea of frame data pretty interesting (it's pretty neat to know how the nature of a fighting style affects play in games like this), and you laid the concepts down really well in a manner which was interesting and easy to understand. Great job on this video!
@ristopaasivirta9770
@ristopaasivirta9770 7 лет назад
I really like your visual presentation on top of the narration, it is funny and relevant at the same time with a mix from several media.
@UltraTien
@UltraTien 7 лет назад
"Broken Games can be fun" And you didn't use a picture of Hokuto no Ken
@CoreAGaming
@CoreAGaming 7 лет назад
Yeah a friend reminded me right after I uploaded lol.
@ReaLoader1
@ReaLoader1 7 лет назад
or: high reward, low risk
@gendoruwo6322
@gendoruwo6322 7 лет назад
cheese
@sablonanime650
@sablonanime650 6 лет назад
RealLoader that would be witch time from smash 4
@prod.arcsyne2990
@prod.arcsyne2990 6 лет назад
Like a move with balance frames but huge mixup potential thats almost unguessable
@SophiaihpoS
@SophiaihpoS 5 лет назад
RealLoader This. Ultimately what makes anything broken is if it has a very high reward with little to no risk associated with it.
@aufishsd1445
@aufishsd1445 5 лет назад
Sablonanime and don't forget her up special combos.
@DiscoChickenNugget
@DiscoChickenNugget 5 лет назад
Man im loving your videos. Been binge watching for most of the day. Very informative and interesting, keep it up dude!
@GForce9x
@GForce9x 6 лет назад
I remember using the Game Genie back on the SNES version of SFII to make the boss characters playable. Playing as Vega(US), his crouching LK had the frames and sounds of just about any other LK attack in the game, but on hit had the damage and sounds of a HK. I literally was able to do a perfect run through the entire game using just about nothing but that move. It was broken af
@lucasvca
@lucasvca 7 лет назад
It seems redundant to say it at this point, but the quality of these videos are just absurd. Great job!
@CoreAGaming
@CoreAGaming 7 лет назад
May seem redundant to you, but still very meaningful to me :)
@lucasvca
@lucasvca 7 лет назад
:)
@ge3356
@ge3356 7 лет назад
I was thinking the same thing. This is my first view and I'm fairly blown away. Excellent editing and writing. Absolutely terrific.
@NataliaNeeSama
@NataliaNeeSama 7 лет назад
4:46 So it will be basically King Crimson from Jojo?
@eddnox
@eddnox 6 лет назад
It just works.
@KryptonianBaby
@KryptonianBaby 5 лет назад
Nah king crimson's ability wouldn't let him move things further than they are. The ball would've moved just as much as if he hadn't used the ability, but nobody could react to where it is now.
@tchitchouan
@tchitchouan 5 лет назад
Kingu Kurimson No Ryouku
@devilzelink
@devilzelink 4 года назад
@@actualfrick YOU WILL NEVER FIND THE TRUTH
@5150_Designs
@5150_Designs 5 лет назад
Well done. Great entertaining video. Love some of the analogies you used. Was absolutely perfect
@Lotus-Son
@Lotus-Son 6 лет назад
Genius; guy tapped into something that no one else thought of, breaking down mechanics of large gameplay elements of complex fighting games into something that the average joe could understand. His analogies were so good and the extra editing he did to illustrate his points were awesome. Subbed!
@tryingmybest1888
@tryingmybest1888 5 лет назад
I love the how you relate video game concepts to real life! It’s really intuitive and does wonders for the learning concept!
@YeprilesteR
@YeprilesteR 2 года назад
It is epic and funny
@kford9271
@kford9271 7 лет назад
The FADC baseball analogy was spot on perfect. Core-A Gaming is a damn treasure.
@YadonTheCat
@YadonTheCat 5 лет назад
I keep rewatching your videos, they're just so good
@acmx12
@acmx12 5 лет назад
Just noticed the little arashi saxophone bit in the background music. Great choice, great video breakdown
@TopOfAllWorlds
@TopOfAllWorlds 7 лет назад
Kinda sad he didn't mention melee fox's shine.
@undead923
@undead923 6 лет назад
TopOfAllWorlds Or 64 Kirby's jank Up-Tilt
@hunkymccree8458
@hunkymccree8458 6 лет назад
Or Marth's grab range
@batclocks9110
@batclocks9110 6 лет назад
because melee isn't a fighting game kappa
@snartgaming4922
@snartgaming4922 5 лет назад
@@batclocks9110 nigga you are the biggest gay
@lorenzobarchiesi2058
@lorenzobarchiesi2058 5 лет назад
@@snartgaming4922 it has a kappa m8
@Cxdfc
@Cxdfc 7 лет назад
My first fighting game was soul calibur 2 GameCube version SC has an accessible design but depth to it that I enjoyed, my father and I would bond over it because we both could play and beat each other Then I started using Nightmare, I dont remember the specific attack name but the input was ↗️↗️B, which made Nightmare/siegefried spin at a diagonal angle while coming down with his 5 ft great sword for mass damage. Its easy to interrupt with a horizontal attack because of the start up frames, but id use it to punish vertical attacks because the move let me Dodge and attack simultaneously while catching his head during his recovery frames. I got gud at the other attacks but dad banned me from nightmare because thats the move id beat him with the most. He deemed the move overpowered That move is still in SC5 and I can still catch people with it on competetive modes, and it brings a smile to my face barely winning with it after not using it for the whole match
@UncreativePontiff
@UncreativePontiff 6 лет назад
Ah i know that move, its power surely comes from its easy input and unpredictability, but there are other moves way more powerful...
@halt1931
@halt1931 5 лет назад
yeah but Link's throw
@rhondahoward8025
@rhondahoward8025 5 лет назад
My favorite OP move in the Hardest MKDA arcade mode was Quan Chi's throw. I swear it's broken compared to the other throws. I couldn't play worth a damn otherwise, but when I spammed the move fast and hard enough, I would win (nearly) all the fights like that. Of course this didn't work on Moloch but his attacks are pretty slow and predictable once you get used to him, even on hard difficulty, because his move pool is limited.
@fortnitecheese79
@fortnitecheese79 5 лет назад
Xavier Cxdfc SC IV is better because cassandra
@temma1612
@temma1612 5 лет назад
yoshimitsus stone fists were broken as fuck
@gustavocsm4591
@gustavocsm4591 6 лет назад
I really like your channel. You explore topics that are hard to find in internet. Congrats
@erichong3430
@erichong3430 5 лет назад
U know what. That shade sliding off Newton’s surprised face got me. Subscribed!
@irvinmorales1409
@irvinmorales1409 7 лет назад
Pre-patched Injustice. Superman's super move that started up in one freaking frame. That shit was ridiculous. Even though they patched it to 5 frames, that's still as fast as most character's jab! The only upside is that it's punishable on block but even then, you have to find a correct distance to punish properly with a full combo.
@TomekFM
@TomekFM 7 лет назад
Yeah and with his trait active this super does ridiculous damage.
@irvinmorales1409
@irvinmorales1409 7 лет назад
Add lag and his lasers and you're practically screwed. Especially when your mains are Bane and Lex Luthor.
@BronchitisMan
@BronchitisMan 7 лет назад
Look, Superman's the GOAT. The developers were only trying to make the game as accurate as possible.
@AlexR-ATG
@AlexR-ATG 7 лет назад
My favorite broken move in any fighting game: Literally everything that every single character has in the arcade version of Hokuto no Ken by Arc System Works. A game so much more busted than any MvC game, so much more busted than Melee, we're talking so fucking broken...that every single character can *reliably* pull off combos that take off 100% of the opponent's health bar, and there's even 1 character who can do that without having any Aura, Boost, or Stars drained from the opponent's Star Gauge at the start of the combo. If I had to narrow it down to just 1 move from Hokuto no Ken, though, it would be Raoh's Sai move. Raoh takes out his Sai and stabs through both his own foot and the opponent's foot, trapping the two of them together so that Raoh can keep the punishment going. This is the one move that allows him to form kill combos without any Aura or Boost, and it can be comboed into from both on the ground and in the air.
@MrHiggs-qe3kg
@MrHiggs-qe3kg 6 лет назад
You could just have said that it has instant KO moves that can be used reliably. A beautiful mess
@AlexR-ATG
@AlexR-ATG 6 лет назад
But it's more than just the Instant KO moves. (Known as Fatal KO's in the game.) See, in Hokuto no Ken, there are a ton of physics glitches that allow for such things as: -Dribble Combos -Hyakuretsu Combos -Basuke States (When your opponent is in this state, the round is pretty much yours.) -A crap-ton of other things that I can't think of off the top of my head. Just watch some high level play of HnK. After just a few matches, you'll start to question whether it's a fighting game, or a freaking basketball game.
@volikharn6878
@volikharn6878 6 лет назад
FATAL KO
@kaique9508
@kaique9508 5 лет назад
Oh yeah that sht that would ignore knock backs ... Lmfao imagine that on a KoF / SF game internet would go insane, legit 1 special move and just spam normals till the guy dies. That's basically it : 6:40
@GeonQuuin
@GeonQuuin 6 лет назад
I only play fighting games occasionally but your videos are always fascinating to watch and I always learn something. Cheers, mate.
@G_Gr00v3
@G_Gr00v3 10 дней назад
My favorite thing about Core A videos is how the title and thumbnail are made in a way that casual players would be interested in or understand, then a hat trick is performed showing an advanced concept explains it
@jamaalgraves3998
@jamaalgraves3998 7 лет назад
Ivan Ooze's Invulnerable Strike: Long Active Frames, Invincible (no hurt box), safe, and per game mechanics can be done during block OR hitstun.
@Toomnyusernae
@Toomnyusernae 7 лет назад
Tournament Fighters Karai.
@mkstarstorm8822
@mkstarstorm8822 6 лет назад
6:48 I would rely like to see a video on broken fighting games, some of the most fun I have with some of my friends is with the old marvel games and KI as well as both the ps1 and wii star wars fighting games (especially the wii one).
@anirbano
@anirbano 7 лет назад
Hilarious and brilliant video as always. Just recently stumbled into your channel and my God loving every damn video. And my love for fighting games and respect for its players has got to a whole new level.
@chimyshark
@chimyshark 6 лет назад
hey man, your videos are AWESOME!!! How have I not known about this channel until now?!! I seriously love all your videos, some of the BEST content I have ever seen!!! The research you do is REALLY thorough and the presentation is immaculate! Perfect amount of clips and pics, and not too many pun pics like others that try too hard. I can't believe you've been making vids for so long and I didn't even know! been binge watching all your vids man! Great work and totally subbed!
@realbattleonfilm8299
@realbattleonfilm8299 7 лет назад
A.Rod would be toptier if he had a FADC on his homers.
@KatAlexis41800
@KatAlexis41800 7 лет назад
Son the baseball hit cancel had me dying xD
@JackgarPrime
@JackgarPrime 6 лет назад
The baseball swing comparison is perfect, and will probably be my go-to example of how to explain what frame data is from now on. Kudos.
@felipepereira214
@felipepereira214 6 лет назад
Awesome video and excellent explanation!
@thewarriorofboros
@thewarriorofboros 7 лет назад
Ryus true shoryuken in sm4sh. Seriously, a block string that combos into a kill at 40% with just 4 frames of startup? Yes please
@CoreAGaming
@CoreAGaming 7 лет назад
That's funny that they matched the SFV frame data to Sm4sh Ryu.
@electricspirit3600
@electricspirit3600 7 лет назад
And has invincibility frames and a huge hitbox and active time making is surprisingly unsafe to punish.
@alexanderm5728
@alexanderm5728 7 лет назад
To be fair he is helpless (aside from fastfalling or DI) until he hits the ground, but yeah.
@thewarriorofboros
@thewarriorofboros 7 лет назад
Alexander M it doesn't matter, it has so much shieldstun and shield knockback that you have to perfect shield to punish it, and even then you need god like reflexes.
@alexanderm5728
@alexanderm5728 7 лет назад
Kushala Eh, with a bit of practice and a good hitbox you can punish it OOS on reaction pretty consistently even when it isn't perfect shielded. It takes 19 frames for Ryu to rise and then about 30 frames for him to land + lag.
@JamperSUA
@JamperSUA 5 лет назад
My favorite move is Pikachu’s back air in smash Ultimate. It auto cancels, so it has very low recovery frames, so you can combo it into itself, and it’s a really good tool for edge guarding.
@sreeravi25
@sreeravi25 6 лет назад
This video made me sub, such deep analysis and underrated points. Good job.
@BuceGar
@BuceGar 6 лет назад
Your vids have some of the greatest and most diverse references I have ever seen. Stay AMAZING!
@supradoom
@supradoom 7 лет назад
Bryan's B+1 in Tekken 5.0. Mid launcher with frame advantage on block, any hit launches.
@MrTubeStuck
@MrTubeStuck 7 лет назад
im happy somebody mentions this, that bloody move has won bryan players championships
@zhaoyun255
@zhaoyun255 7 лет назад
Hey, don't forget the abomination JF Laser Scraper in Tekken 4.
@SkySovereignn
@SkySovereignn 7 лет назад
how about the Devil's twin pistons in TT1?
@RrizIIDX
@RrizIIDX 7 лет назад
Is it a panic move?
@supradoom
@supradoom 7 лет назад
Not really, it's actually kind of slow in terms of frames. It was still extremely useful.
@RICKYROSZzzz
@RICKYROSZzzz 4 года назад
4:45 laughed way to hard at that
@s3pPuKu7
@s3pPuKu7 5 лет назад
This is the best video I've seen to help ppl digest the concept of frame data. Kudos.
@morskode
@morskode 6 лет назад
Awesome video man. Nice job!
@crimson-foxtwitch2581
@crimson-foxtwitch2581 7 лет назад
Of course you put Geese Howard on the thumbnail.
@PeachyKeena_
@PeachyKeena_ 7 лет назад
"You don't have to be a frame-data god..." lolm2k
@Alorpy
@Alorpy 4 года назад
Thanks this video really helped me understand a lot about the games I play
@jotakux7489
@jotakux7489 6 лет назад
Absolutely fascinating!!!! SUBSCRIBED!
@Eebers
@Eebers 7 лет назад
...you're telling me there are people who exist who don't find frame data interesting? What the hell?
@CoreAGaming
@CoreAGaming 7 лет назад
I know, the world we live in.
@Jyxero
@Jyxero 5 лет назад
I fking love the baseball canceling animation, and... another "overpowered" thing beside the quick, high damaging attacks of Zankuro from Samurai Showdown 3 / 4 is the broken AI from MKII, "but thats a theme for another video"
@PewPew_McPewster
@PewPew_McPewster 5 лет назад
Thanks for giving a shout out to how single player action games have different frame data philosophies from fighting games! I was looking for this vid! Trying to make my own action adventure game
@SamStancill
@SamStancill 6 лет назад
I knew this stuff already, but your analagies are next level.
@izaakamesta1919
@izaakamesta1919 7 лет назад
your videos should be longer, I'm addicted to them I feel like I waited to long for this one and I was kind of hoping you used a jigglypuff(melee) example on OP movements lol keep up the amazing job :)
@thesaucypickle9866
@thesaucypickle9866 7 лет назад
jigglypuff has no broken moves though bair has a great hit box and can wall SOME characters out but it doesn't do too well against a good projectile shine is more op basically
@CoreAGaming
@CoreAGaming 7 лет назад
Glad you liked it! If the channel gets big, I'd love to do 12-15 minute videos that go deeper.
@thesaucypickle9866
@thesaucypickle9866 7 лет назад
Core-A Gaming I like your longer vids too
@largolagrande
@largolagrande 7 лет назад
I laughed so hard because of the frame data joke and the baseball FADC. Priceless.
@Bobbydog66
@Bobbydog66 6 лет назад
For someone who is not inner workings fighting game savy, that explained things really well for me. Thank you.
@MrMikeIppo
@MrMikeIppo 7 лет назад
I use to play competitive, but never tried it in fighting games. Your content made me give it a try. Suscribed and following!
@karmascamera5275
@karmascamera5275 7 лет назад
Ahh, Meta Knight's Down-Smash in Brawl...how I miss thee...
@zakig8530
@zakig8530 5 лет назад
Totally Anonymus *T O R N A N D O I N T E N S I F I E S*
@AmongUs-no8my
@AmongUs-no8my 5 лет назад
**D O W N A I R. S P A M M I N G I N T E N S I F I E S**
@duwang3195
@duwang3195 5 лет назад
S H U T T L E L O O P I N T E N S I F I E S
@succccccccccccccccc2328
@succccccccccccccccc2328 5 лет назад
*G L I D I N G* *I N T E N S I F I E S*
@ascaredmilipede7971
@ascaredmilipede7971 4 года назад
I DIDNT MAIN META-KNIGHT *INTENSIFIES*
@HDZEP
@HDZEP 7 лет назад
ayyy the consouls. this channel will be the saviour of the fighting game community
@CoreAGaming
@CoreAGaming 7 лет назад
They are awesome.
@LevskiBADBOY
@LevskiBADBOY 3 года назад
Custom diy keyboard with cherry red switchable be like: 90000 doller
@Deadwards84
@Deadwards84 6 лет назад
This was amazing and as a smash / ufc fan, felt tailored just for me. Thank you.
@gabrielbrennan4149
@gabrielbrennan4149 4 года назад
This was a cool video. Great use of real world aspects
@martian25
@martian25 7 лет назад
I never knew that seeing an baseball FADC was something that I needed so badly
@LightLegion
@LightLegion 7 лет назад
Sagat's Heavy Punch in Capcom vs SNK 2
@Ty-ri7dy
@Ty-ri7dy 6 лет назад
Sagat's Cr.Fierce: a normal so strong it can single-handedly win wars.
@Batmanshypeman
@Batmanshypeman 3 года назад
I watched this 3 years ago and here I am watching again cuz why not also that hit stun example in the cage was crispy.
@df1phantom
@df1phantom 6 лет назад
awesome vid man very informative
@BlastoiseMaster
@BlastoiseMaster 5 лет назад
In SSB4, I found my “friend” ‘s weakness and used Corrine counter on predictable moves. He now rage quits whenever I pick him/her.
@DisastrousCake
@DisastrousCake 5 лет назад
Wait, you never answered the question in the title. You just explained how frame data and hitboxes work.
@tochiRTA
@tochiRTA 6 лет назад
Good video! Helps explain why I've never been a fan of 'cancels'
@michaeloverton04
@michaeloverton04 3 года назад
Basically an attack that can easily be performed at most times and has certain aspects that are unfairly overturned so that it can be repeatedly used giving the opponent little to no chances of decently defending. There I just answered the main question so that average people can stomach the answer.
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