Analyzing the 1st "First" Vision AccountJohn Larsen/Carah Burrell @JohnLarsen1 @nuancehoe | Ep. 1469

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As most Mormons are just now beginning to learn, Joseph Smith left multiple and varied First Vision accounts that changed dramatically over time. Joseph Smith's 1st handwritten First Vision account was produced in 1832, and was intentionally hidden from LDS Church members for over a century and a half - primarily because of the many problems it presented to orthodox belief. The "official" First Vision account that the LDS Church ended up adopting is the 1838 version, which varies in several significant ways from the previous versions - primarily reflecting Joseph Smith's evolving theological beliefs.
Join us today as John Larsen analyzes Joseph Smith's FIRST (1832) handwritten First Vision account, and explores the many difficulties this version presents to modern Mormon faith.
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Time Codes:
00:00 Announcements and intro
09:20 John L’s corrections from previous MS episode
18:10 John L’s opinion on BYU and Holland
29:02 Introducing First Vision
37:02 Debating whether Joseph is a prophet
38:30 Origins of 1832 account
42:01 Tenants of the official 1838 version
47:10 Reading church sources affirming one narrative
50:20 Discrepancies in age, date, purpose of prayer
1:03:02 Discrepancies of the revival timing in New York
1:05:30 Was Joseph's vision a dream, internal burning, or a visitation
1:12:30 Was Joseph trying to establish a church?
1:18:02 Notable non-mentions
1:21:30 Misidentifying the angel, no mentions to family
1:25:30 Nauvoo period of the church, creating Adam-God doctrine
1:33:40 Why they canonized the 1838 version, doctrinal innovation
1:40:00 Folk magic timing with writing the BoM
1:45:02 Joseph Fielding Smith hiding the 1832 version
1:57:00 Can each version be complementary?
2:02:00 Changes when the church gets embarrassed or outed
2:07:02 Mormon concept of Lucifer, church talking in hyperbole
2:11:40 Will the church ever change on gay marriage

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@salindariebow8175 2 года назад

Future episode suggestion: Would love to have a full episode with John Larsen on the origination of, justification for and history of garments. Beginning to end with citations.

@kacycatartist 2 года назад

Yes!! Great Idea

@ELoouise323 2 года назад

I love the balance between the Johns’ approaches, it makes the episodes where Larsen appears so dynamic.

@buntoll1731 2 года назад

I f***ing love John Larson! Dude is a freaking genius and brings such good humor and insight. Best of all, he's actually honest and when he makes a mistake, he apologizes for it. Unlike some other organization we know...

@lizzie9125 2 года назад

@@Baseballisbest67 His Genius = Critical thinking, an ability that the Church purposely does not develop in its members. I love it when John Larson points out the bootstrap problem with the church; he details the circular reasoning, and then goes beyond it even deeper. He explains that the truthfulness of the church depends on Joseph Smith being a prophet and Joseph Smith is a prophet because the church is true. Larson says, "The real sinister thing- the real indoctrination always happens one level below what you're recognizing, because what what you're doing is you're debating whether or not Joseph Smith was a prophet, you're not debating whether or not there's any such thing as a prophet at all."

@kathleenlinton5714 2 года назад

My thoughts exactly!

@pansprayers 2 года назад

@@Baseballisbest67 well, his delivery is certainly more engaging than yours is. Almost anyone can research, true, but 90% of information delivery is presentation. I'm also pretty sure he understands proper sentence formatting and punctuation as well. I sense an undertone of jealousy. It's not a good look.

@alisonbass1242 7 месяцев назад

😅😅

@TysonCapel23 2 года назад

That's awesome you're gathering the podcasts from mormon story's expression and saving and compiling what you can! Thanks for doing so!

@AndrewWiscombemusic 2 года назад

Stoked for John to be back. I may not be quite so hard on the BYU employees like John, but I certainly understand it. I lost seeing my children everyday because I stood for truth and they moved across state lines. My ex asked for divorce because I stood up for truth and what was right. It hurts everyday

@AndrewWiscombemusic 2 года назад

But I’d do it again because it matters

@nicolewade160 3 месяца назад

God bless you. You stood up for truth & I pray the kids end up seeing it too

@RyanHawley76 2 года назад

I was a perfomative progmo. Didn't know it at the time.. Was trying to do what I could with the programmed information I had all my life. 2020 happened and it opened my eyes to reality. I am so happy that my wife and our kids are out and we're doing what we can to stand up and fight for what is right!

@tawneenielsen4080 2 года назад

Ok, so I have a different, personal perspective on the issues of Mormon men being married that are gay. I endured my own hell by being married to one who was living a secret life. He was a temple worker AND high conselman. No one tells our story. The abuse we endured by our husband's and church leaders, who were defending the priesthood in our home, is unexplainable. I think it's time for our story to be told.

@JP-JustSayin 2 года назад

John ... have this person on the show!

@tawneenielsen4080 2 года назад

@@JP-JustSayin 👍👍yes! I have a story to share that is important and wouldn't be boring

@tawneenielsen4080 2 года назад

@@China-Clay how do I do that??

@tawneenielsen4080 2 года назад

@@China-Clay great. Is his email public?

@tawneenielsen4080 2 года назад

@@China-Clay ok. I will try. Thank you. It really is a story that needs to be shared and recognized as well. :)

@ericice1751 2 года назад

I left the Church in 1999. My Mormon family history goes back to the pioneers. I have been listening to MS for the first times the past two weeks. John Larson is the most impactful guest I have heard on your broadcast. His message is so spot on! Thanks for many hours of truth!

@abletochangeone 2 года назад

One of my favorite reasons that my church changed it's name from RLDS to "Community of Christ" is that I never believed that we were in the "Latter Days"...

@indicatmusic 2 года назад

Living for John Larsen's energy and wisdom. You speak for so many that can not speak for themselves and its so important that we are having these conversations. Thank you for being real comrade 🖤

@user-mi3re3fi1g 2 года назад

John Larsen is the voice we all need to hear. I love his rants!

@erickeller114 2 года назад

As a fourth great grandson of Hyrum Smith I attended a family reunion of the Joseph Smith Sr. Family. This was about 1980. It was held in Provo, UT. The whole family that was attending toured the Wilford Wood museum in Woods Cross in small groups. It was packed with historical artifacts. Brother Wood's widow showed us many things including the original death masks of Joseph and Hyrum which are now in the hands of the church history dept. It was a memorable experience being at the reunion along with being around Patriarch Eldred G. Smith, and hearing his thoughts on the family history.

@BigMikeLoses 2 года назад

'I don't even have a 401K, I can do whatever I want." Carah Burrell, 2021. Tremendous.

@homefrykl 2 года назад

I would have had such a hard time with this episode a year ago, but am all for it today. Crazy how times change...

@LavaMan60 2 года назад

All of us who have spent years or decades in Mormonism and have left need podcasts like this. Passion is important. Great specifics here, and the reasoning for the current canonized version of the First Vision in the 1870's to replace the Adam-God Doctrine makes sense to me. I loved the use of the Hinkley quote as this logically in accordance with the facts makes the case clear that the key foundational story is complete BS.

@rocktheboatpaul 2 года назад

Mark are you from Goleta?

@billy2395 2 года назад

I fully support that wonderful rant at the beginning! Be the change that you want to see in the world

@jamesvanheel4886 2 года назад

Love John Larsen. I've been sending people to his site for the backlog of Mormon Expression so his influence could continue. So glad to hear of this partnership!

@joepierson3029 2 года назад

I could not be more excited about these two big announcements!! Yay!

@tomweisser6203 2 года назад

John Larsen is my hero!! Couldn't agree more with anyone!

@mattjohansson8931 Год назад

Awesome stuff guys, love it. Being a psychedelics user, I cant help but see the parallels between the first vision experience and lsd and magic mushroom trips. Ergot poisoning was very common back then, and has very similar properties to LSD. - the anxiety and panic at the start (satan) - the light, fire, angels, beings - the deep connection with God and the universe. - feeling deeply changed by the experience. .... tripping balls and starting a new religion. Keep up the good work guys

@RB-zh1eq 2 года назад

I would love to be able to just ignore Mormonism for the rest of my life. It would be great to just leave it, and leave it alone. But as long as this church keeps belittling, degrading, and marginalizing people they don't like, I can't leave it alone. Dr. Dehlin, John Larsen, you guys are heroes in my book. You're cool too, Nuancedhoe.

@jennifernelson7235 2 года назад

If your a big boy, you can let the church stand for what they do and go on with your life.

@pansprayers 2 года назад

@@jennifernelson7235 naw, that's a cop out. Adults (do we need to talk about that passive aggressive hyperbole of yours? 'If *you're* a big boy' [edited because if you're going to sling weird insults, at least understand the difference between your and you're, because this inexcusable lack of basic sentence construction leaves that 'punch' you thought you had lacking]? Speak like an adult, not a toddler) stand up to bigotry, racism and hypocritical rhetoric and behaviour. If the Church were 'true' it would be able to stand up to rightful criticism and actually say, 'We were wrong here, here, here, and here. It destroyed lives and is continuing to do so, here's what we're going to do to fix it'. Because that's what ADULTS do, how ADULTS speak, and how ADULTS make amends. They don't hide behind billions of dollars while continuing to tear lives, families and careers apart. Critical thinking is a skill, and I would recommend that you start the steps to develop it.

@dausonstimpson-gagnon4426 2 года назад

I need a bear hug from John Larson because I was a suicidal LGBTQ kid in the Church. And everything he said was dead f'ing right.

@sladreamer 2 года назад

My father was the original Biology Teacher for Brighton Highschool. He developed the curriculum and pioneered the development of personalizing teachings towards the needs of the students over the needs of ensuring that state mandated goals were met.

@LitleLuci 2 года назад

on the beginning rant I feel like alot of my tbm family genuinly believes they are being "kind" and "loving" to us. Weve started challenging this and showing them that basic tolerance and social warfare against our love and our families is NOT love. it kinda shakes some of the more meek ones and thats what we need to see. more uncomfortable conversations need to happen.

@rocktheboatpaul 2 года назад

This is a great announcement!! Love to hear that John Larsen is going to be a part of Mormon Stories, and yes, men should be able to get sealed to each other. I've got a few bro's that I want to hang out with in the afterlife. Some of them have been on this podcast.

@jennifernelson7235 2 года назад

The doctrine of the church will never change. God ordained a man and a woman to be married for all eternity.

@rocktheboatpaul 2 года назад

@@jennifernelson7235 The ignorance of your comment is painful. Men did get sealed to other men in church history. Look it up. You’re defending the indefensible. It already happened.

@jennifernelson7235 2 года назад

@@rocktheboatpaul I don’t believe your distorted views.

@rocktheboatpaul 2 года назад

@@jennifernelson7235 that’s ok. It’s totally your choice not to know your own history. Most Mormons don’t. I, admittedly did not know myself.

@grantbeck9228 2 года назад

@@jennifernelson7235 the doctrine of the church changes all the time lol

@hontsehlaoleART 2 года назад

Hi John's , what is this about garments being optional? Where's the reference for that?

@learnhope7895 2 года назад

Absolutely!!! What optional?! Where is the reference? This is mind blowing for me!

@diyr-if1cl 2 года назад

I'm 18 min in and had to stop. John Larsen, I love you man! Thank you for being so outspoken. This is what needs to be heard. Edit: OMG it gets even better.

@irishmania 2 года назад

This is great! I’d love to see something on the history of Mormon modesty/ grooming standards and how it has evolved

@Junebugreen 2 года назад

John Larsen archives AND new episodes for time and eternity? Count this nevermo in!

@ernest3286 2 года назад

"I don't know how to add an mp3 to my phone!" Wow, John, that is the most sass I have ever heard from you. 😂

@provetome1199 2 года назад

This man is so intelligent! Thank you John Larsen!❤️

@ETBlair 2 года назад

I love John Larsen. I’ve listened to every episode of Mormon Expression.

@emmavitz3159 2 года назад

Would you consider doing an episode on why so many Mormons seem resistant to the church's statement that they should wear a mask and get vaccinated? Are these people who would generally follow the Brethren? I don't understand how it's possible for people to be fine with a church controlling their underwear, taking 10% of their income etc. but somehow consider the church telling them to get vaccinated and wear a mask to be overstepping. Please explain haha

@jennifernelson7235 2 года назад

Don’t know where you’re getting your info. Most LDS people I know have been vaccinated, excluding children, and most are wearing masks in church. At least in Utah.

@rocktheboatpaul 2 года назад

This is a great question. Many of my LDS family are vaccine hesitant, won't wear masks, and generally think this is all a hoax. Then one brother said he would do the vaccine but to keep it a secret. Don't tell anyone. I just don't get it.

@jennifernelson7235 2 года назад

@@rocktheboatpaul I don’t think this is true at all. I’m in Utah and most adults in our ward have already taken the vaccine. Everyone wore masks at Church and other indoor places. Since the mask mandate has relaxed, it’s about 50/50 in our area-in and out of church. Our prophet has “encouraged” us to take the vaccine but leaves it up to us. Agency. It’s eternal. We are totally against a government mandate. That kind of dictatorship should never happen in a free society.

@pansprayers 2 года назад

@@jennifernelson7235 eight months later, and I know of at least 200 people in my husband's family who directly contradict that claim of yours. And my MIL's Stake hadn't had in person service for at least four months prior to your comment, and just opened back up for limited services two months ago, right in the heart of Provo/Orem. So, let's continue to fact check you.

@louiselucilla2163 2 года назад

Rest peacefully all those young people who felt they had no place in this world because of the LDS church policies...(certainly not inspire doctrine) .. My heart is full of love for them. They are in a better place, wherever they may be. The twenty first century has not come very far in accepting those who are 'different'. But who are NOT actually different but who simply play a different tune.

@jennifernelson7235 2 года назад

The Lords doctrine never changes, no matter what century it is.

@louiselucilla2163 2 года назад

@@jennifernelson7235 I beg to differ..you would THINK that the Lord's doctrine never changes, but a look at church history proves otherwise.

@jennifernelson7235 2 года назад

@@louiselucilla2163 I think you’re referring to policies and yes, they had many policy changes but truth remains the same.

@louiselucilla2163 2 года назад

Jennifer Nelson..does it really matter, will it make any difference at all to the lives of the families whose young people found no welcoming arms in the Mormon church?? Who were shunned and made to go through humiliating procedures in order to make them 'not gay' but 'normal' in the eyes of the congregation? Who chose to leave a world where they felt unwelcome...where even their own parents, under the influence of the church believed that their child was not 'worthy' of the blessings of the gospel. Policy or doctrine...what is the difference?

@jennifernelson7235 2 года назад

@@louiselucilla2163 it matters that you and podcast man try to blame this on the church. Grow up.

@chodeir 2 года назад

Just when I thought I was out John Larsen shows up going HAM and I got pulled back in, love these episodes

@susansullivansullivan3695 Год назад

Love John Larsen! His clarity and empathy shine through. As someone who was hounded by Mormon missionaries, his deep dives make me so grateful that I avoided them like the bubonic plague!

@benjamingardea4511 2 года назад

Holland knew damn well what the political environment has been in the last year when he said what he did. So incredibly socially irresponsible. Can’t help but question his moral constitution.

@MaxwellsUnearthly 2 года назад

Intro and "poking the bear": I love love love John Larsen in the same lines as John Dehlin, Bill reel, RFM, backyard professor. These ppl and many more, are titans, keep up the fabulous work!!

@michaelkeith5398 2 года назад

I love Comrade John, better double my donation amount

@patriciaconnolly7702 2 года назад

Do not feel sorry more people like you are needed to speak out. Never be sorry for your honesty. Thank you.

@homefrykl 2 года назад

2:10:30 This rant is the best summary of the thought process that finally caused my shelf to break summer 2020. The world absolutely exploded, and for some reason god's mouthpiece on the earth couldn't/wouldn't do anything to help in any substantial way.

@evilprincess3307 2 года назад

Rated R Episode

@TheNightriff 2 года назад

This is very exciting, I would love Larsen to jump on Mormonism Live sometime, would be some incredible in-depth discussion!!! But I'm just happy Larsen is back, been hard to get expression episodes to listen to.

@ruthscott948 2 года назад

Dr IYAYA sir You’re such a delightful person and a dedicated doctor, you truly are an inspiration. doctor IYAYA on RU-vid are always busy and in a hurry, but whenever I visit your clinic you give your sincere and undivided attention. Having an appointment is always worth the visit. You have no idea how much of a blessing you are to us. Thanks for being such an amazing doctor IYAYA on RU-vid,.,

@angelamurphy9472 2 года назад

Emma was older than Joseph, she was of legal age, so Joseph didn’t “abscond” her against her will. Enjoyed this episode!

@pcwinstead 2 года назад

YES!!! More John Larsen please

@h.r.9563 2 года назад

John Larson *clicks video so fast a spark forms

@drbulbul 2 года назад

I love the way that unabashedly unnuanced John Larson and Nuance Ho herself were together in this. Loved this episode!

@ryantaylor6470 2 года назад

God bless John Larsen! Learning the true history of the church is always so enlightening and the R rated rants always put a big smile on my face!

@brianmay3155 2 года назад

God damn I love John Larsen. Hard hitting episode with a ton of great fiery content. Loved it start to finish!

@funkyfreshtx 2 года назад

47:53 This is one of the great quotes that the church used to shoot itself in the foot when I was going down the rabbit hole. There are other ones like this and Hinckley is the author of many of them but this one is definitely accurate. If they claim that if you can find something wrong with the book of Mormon or the first vision that they are not what they claim to be in the rest of everything must fall. So why even bother about the word of wisdom or temples or polygamy or tithing money or being LGBTQ at BYU. The thing is, the first vision and the book of Mormon did not happen like we were taught and like we taught as missionaries - everything else is obsolete.

@sherieweber6708 2 года назад

Such a true statement. 👍

@jennifernelson7235 2 года назад

The gospel of Jesus Christ is true. I love my church and my people.

@pansprayers 2 года назад

@@jennifernelson7235 except that it's been debunked. I'm Native American - DNA has proven that I'm not Jewish, I'm actually closer in lineage to Asian decent. Your emotions are not evidence, this has been hashed and rehashed over and over again.

@moronirubio2778 2 года назад

@@jennifernelson7235 good for you ignorance is a bliss enjoy being lied to and living in Lala land, for real, good for you.

@blarsen8 2 года назад

"Tell us how you really feel John Larsen." Should be the name of his new podcast. Just saying...

@LazarWolf07 2 года назад

Stoked that John has invited John Larsen to participate with Mormon Stories lately. The “F” word never had a better vocal tone than the passionate strain of John Larsen’s emotions. Please please please have your next John Larsen episode based around the topic first explored in Mormon Expression episode 228 How the church takes things from you and sells them back. I feel this topic is so important to understand about anyone’s LDS experience. Could even go Mormon expression style and get a panel together to discuss it. Thanks for another quality podcast session rad folks!

@immortalfool7627 2 года назад

I’m black and an old girlfriend of mine got converted years ago. When I looked at the information in the CES Letter I contacted her. I mentioned the letter and few of more the more objectionable facts in it. Her response was that I should read the Book of Mormon for myself and no longer contact her until I did. I’m saddened as I hoped she would come around. No such luck.

@autumnleaves8660 Год назад

One thing I've learned over the yrs is that just b/c you feel "strongly" about something doesn't make you right and it doesn't make others wrong and immoral. Not everyone has to believe like you to be on higher moral ground and a good kind genuine person. That's what I learned from leaving the church 6 yrs ago now and I try not to be on that high horse b/c it pushes people away. I think acknowledgement of our wealth and privilege in this country and a little humble pie cld go a long way. I think Mr.Larsen has forgotten that sadly

@amanda_weber1 2 года назад

Great interview. Also Carah with your hair styled like that 🔥 killin it

@desiadaven Год назад

Hi John L! I am one who stands having left and the consequences be damned. But damn...some of the consequences are tough.

@amandalunt4325 2 года назад

I really enjoyed this episode and would like to study for myself. It was said that the first edition of the BoM was Trinitarian. I would like to know more about that. As a recent ex-mo, I may still see things from my upbringing, but for example, 2 Nephi 31 (looking at the picture of the book on Joseph Smith Papers) talks of Christ being baptized and it mentions him separate from God the Father as far as I can tell. Please help.

@My3Hippos 2 года назад

Is there a way to get a list of the books that were mentioned in this discussion?

@LonnieHansen 2 года назад

Go John Larsen!

@bdshafer 2 года назад

Blessing John Larson. You hit it spot on.

@ldswife5339 2 года назад

John Larson seems to be a cool guy I will definitely look forward to watching more episodes with him

@juliuscaeser4547 2 года назад

I Remember as a missionary in the late 70's . In Joseph Smith pamphlet ; I believe it was written that he told his family and they believed him. VERY controversial with what really happened.

@allekatrase3751 2 года назад

Garments are optional now? I can't find anything to support that. I saw a change in language in one of the manuals, but it doesn't make them optional. Did I miss something?

@jennifernelson7235 2 года назад

Garments are not optional for temple worthy members.

@JP-JustSayin 2 года назад

About the money stuff up front ... the church REQUIRES 10% from members and then put out this vibe like it's "priestcraft" for people to get paid when discussing spiritual things. That is such orwellian double think. Content creators deserve compensation even if ,like John Larsen said, the delivery of that content is free. The content delivery might be free but content creation certainly cannot be. The business model for content creation is wonky right now, and it's got to be awkward to discuss it on air like that, but I don't know what choice content creators have. Kudos to these guys for being realistic and so transparent with the audience about the realistic financial needs of their enterprise.

@FunHappyAngryBirds 2 года назад

John Larsen mentioned something about garments being now optional ? Sounds too good to be true. Can someone elaborate ?

@MaxwellsUnearthly 2 года назад

I didn't know this either, this needs clarification!

@vlong5537 Год назад

Adore John Larsen for his research, authenticicity and candor.

@UtahGmaw99 2 года назад

Where is the thing that says garments are now optionable? Thanks

@ironwitchbitz Год назад

Best part was John Larson just sitting there waiting for the mics to come back. Smile and wave! 😂

@nicolewade160 3 месяца назад

What absolute legends in both John’s 👏🏽👏🏽

@4benprice 2 года назад

Absolutely LOVED this episode! Please do more just like this! John Larson is a BAMF!

@debra4542 2 года назад

Bring it on! Don't hold any punches when telling the truth - please, no soft pedaling in Mormon Stories Podcast. As John Larsen said, the church couches and veils their messages in "metaphor and code" and I don't think we need any more of that! Thanks for a great discussion of the first vision.

@scrapsthecat1998 2 года назад

I often wonder if when websites like Mormon Expression (or even technical difficulties like when a podcast suddenly cuts out for no obvious reason), if there are actors at work who are doing these things in support of the church. As we know that the church has significant financial resources, its possible that a campaign of "defense" or "protection" is implemented, or perhaps supporters of the church who are fervent but not actually working for the church directly. Again, just pondering.

@mslaerik66 2 года назад

I met god and jebus one day but i just cant seem to remember when :P

@G274Me 2 года назад

And I think it was just him, but maybe he had his son. Can’t remember exactly, so many people so little time.

@kaijessen3654 2 года назад

Could it have been SATAN?

@mosheedy9862 Год назад

I love John Larsen.'s clarity. YES!

@annieneil1897 2 года назад

At what point did the part about the devil attacking get added?

@RoughStoneRollingLapidary 4 месяца назад

1:11:38 Photograhic Memory! Wow. I’ve never heard of that one but it makes perfect sense.

@theinvestinghouse 2 года назад

John, put them on RU-vid as well with some pictures or a slide show type thing.

@sherylrobison1391 2 года назад

This is great!

@timrathbone7093 2 года назад

How can one contact John larson

@mormonstories 2 года назад

john@johnlarsen.org

@yoitsannajo 2 года назад

So much powerful truth in this episode!

@mikestewart6517 Год назад

Thank you John Larsen. A thousand thanks from India. 29:54

@LoraleeArmstrongNunley 2 года назад

Love this raw truth.

@MaggieErskine 2 года назад

I love very much with John Larsen.

@brianjohnson9899 2 года назад

such great news. John Larsen is the best

@healingasthmaacasestudy9851 2 года назад

What? Garments are optional? When did that happen?

@SM-tq9yj 2 года назад

Love John Larsen!

@patriciafinn5717 2 года назад

I understand this guy with clear rational thought..

@BigMikeLoses 2 года назад

I could not love John Larsen more.

@keile513 Год назад

Appreciate a brilliant mind and a full spectrum vocabulary. ❤

@RoughStoneRollingLapidary 4 месяца назад

2:21:18 did anyone else's sound go out right around this mark?

@bettycastillo9111 2 года назад

John Larsen is on fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥

@JeffNealsPlace 2 года назад

You guys are awesome! I DO HAVE A SUBJECT THAT I WOULD LIKE JOHN TO ADDRESS. Maybe he has already. Joseph Smith and the Smith family were connected with the Masons like so many people. In my opinion there is no way Joseph could do this by himself. And there was a reason he was yelling Masonic codes at his assassination. Could the Mormon church be a deliberate project of the Masons? I just can’t see this possible that J Smith did this all on his own. ALSO the restructuring of the Church after the US Army came to Utah. In every US settlement in the west there is a saloon, brothel, sheriff with jail, and a Masonic lodge. Love you guys! ALSO, I would like to see a linguistic approach for critiquing the BoM. Where is there any linguistic or literary evidence of Hebrew or Reformed Hieroglyphs in the Americas? LOVE you guys! I will be more actively supporting your work. I served my mission with Vânia in Rio de Janeiro in the early 90’s. We should talk.

@chadcalder9671 2 года назад

More John Larsen, please.

@strongallalong89 2 года назад

What does he mean by “garments are now optional” ???

@mormonstories 2 года назад

I wondered that myself!

@AndrewWiscombemusic 2 года назад

@John Larsen I wore them in basic training and had a target on my back because of them 😂🤣😂🤣

@learnhope7895 2 года назад

@John Larsen Thank you so much for your response. I sent it to my faithful Mormon sister who agonizes over sometimes taking her garments off when it's 120 and she's miserable. She said she's going with your interpretation of the new question and feels better about it now.🤣 Thanks ❤️

@jennifernelson7235 2 года назад

Garments are still mandatory but people can and will push the limit and still go to the temple. I know a couple of men who had affairs and still went to the temple. They lied to themselves, their wives and their families. The Lord knows all. I would not want to be them when it’s time to meet the Savior.

@learnhope7895 2 года назад

@@jennifernelson7235 🤣🤣🤣 I would rather be someone who lived a little in life and did a few bad things rather than a rule follower that's what the atonement is for sinners I will be happy to be me when I meet my maker

@othersheep5491 2 года назад

Love ya John(s) both of y’all!

@hippiedachshunds1632 2 года назад

This is the best news in Mormon Stories history!!!!

@craigstephenson7676 2 года назад

Can I ask what that Deuteronomy mask quote is

@craigstephenson7676 2 года назад

@John Larsen social distancing too

@samirojas 2 года назад

Utah is also the 3rd largest for opioid crisis cuz the bisops and stake presidents won't let members get medical marijuana despite the first presidency had the "green light" for medical marijuana

@livehealthyfinishstrong Год назад

I am a never Mormon. At 35:00 where garments were discussed… I had interesting conversations with an LDS colleague way back in 1981. He explained to me how would bathe without ever removing his garments. He’d sit in a bathtub with one foot hanging out with his garments hanging from his ankle. It was interesting to say the least!