Andy Goldstein Feels EMBARRASSED Listening To Howard Webb On The Everton Vs Forest VAR Decisions! 👀😬 

if they punished/removed referees ever time they made a mistake, we wouldn't have any football matches. A bigger issue for me is that there is a massive double standard with fouls inside vs outside the box. It's so so easy to give fouls for the softest, most predictable things outside the box (think Grealish or defenders shielding the ball then just falling to the ground), but as soon as it's inside the box, the severity has to be much higher. "Would that be a foul anywhere else on the pitch?"

Sacking the best refs is not gonna make things better as all you will do is promote worse refs. Eventually I will get to refs games

@@rishbademha It is possible to have consequences short of a sacking. At this point, the expectation is there is no error so grievous that we actually expect anyone to be taken off the PL rotation at all. Taken off rotation for a week is rare as hen's teeth.

@@rishbademha But they're clearly more afraid of making decisions against the 'bigger' clubs, afraid of the club's response, afraid of the media, yet make decisions against 'smaller' clubs, just to show they're doing their job. Same with PSR rules, they punish Everton, Forest and Leicester but apparently not City. Nothing against City, as far as I'm concerned they won their trophies on the pitch and should keep them but the uneven treatment stinks. There are other ways to punish clubs rather than taking away points won on the pitch, transfer restrictions is one.

@@thesedreamsarefreeyou really need it explained to you after all these months? Forest and Everton pleaded GUILTY at the first chance for ONE charge and everyone moved on. City have 115 charges and are fighting the charge. I can’t believe this still needs to explained to people

The Premiership is a corrupt cartel!

Every single game..joke season

I don’t think they match fix as such but they influence games. To be fair I think it was a penalty but as an Everton fan we have had some absolute howlers all season. Forrest got away with less than half the points of Everton for more than double overspend. The premier league want drama it helps their brand and viewership.

How is it match fixing when they’ve wanted Everton to go down all season?!?

Or he's a Luton fan

Or they are cheating.

Or he's a Luton fan

None of them understand football and it's a huge problem.

He's a LUTON FAN !!!

The reality is worse, he knows we are all mugs

We are....😂

Yes it's a fix.....scam season

But if every club thinks they're corrupt against their club, who are they corrupt for?

Money for whom exactly? What's the criteria for which teams they favour then?

Yes decided that a few years ago , I think even some of the games are rigged for TV..

@@Gagefelstead whos the team that doesn't get any bad calls?

I wish He work with jey.

Why would there be corruption In a game between forest and Everton? Makes no sense there is definitely corruption In games with the top 6 but not games like Everton forest

@@wolvezy It has nothing to do with Everton Forest its the fact that both Ref and Var was never going to give a pen and lets be homiest two of them was %100 a pen .. So then you have to ask your self what did they have to gain by making the decisions . one you can take two is a joke but three maybe just maybe a Luton fan in the VAR who had something to gain . They have no one to answer to marking their own homework . Not just Forest Everton wolves the list goes on But i bet if that was Man city they would have gotten a pen

Once your above league one the refs are told who to favour in each game. Thats how they can get cup finals etc with the biggest tv appeal. It’s not totally match fixing but they enable a team as much as possible for this to happen. Look at recent decisions in that light and you’ll see. This comes from a ref btw. Forest have been earmarked for the relegation scrap all season because the owner is far more unpopular than any other team at the bottom. It is corruption. Taylor, Tierney and rob jones are the worst and most obvious at this. Taylor even smiled and smirked been accused of cheating at forest Newcastle. He heard, he knows and knew there was no camera. It’s embarrassing the standards are so poor. And it’s in danger of ruining the best entertainment product in the world

When you go way past rank incompetence, that leaves only corruption.

Once your above league one the refs are told who to favour in each game. Thats how they can get cup finals etc with the biggest tv appeal. It’s not totally match fixing but they enable a team as much as possible for this to happen. Look at recent decisions in that light and you’ll see. This comes from a ref btw. Forest have been earmarked for the relegation scrap all season because the owner is far more unpopular than any other team at the bottom. It is corruption. Taylor, Tierney and rob jones are the worst and most obvious at this. Taylor even smiled and smirked been accused of cheating at forest Newcastle. He heard, he knows and knew there was no camera. It’s embarrassing the standards are so poor. And it’s in danger of ruining the best entertainment product in the world

Because none of you that claim corruption can back it up with anything tangible to explain why its corrupt, who is responsible for the corruption and how they decide where the corruption is going to be used

@@magikarpsplashy you're right I have no tangible evidence,but common sense tells me with all the money and power involved there's obviously corruption especially when we see the crazy decisions that are made that affect games,I tell you what tho you can play the guitar pal👍

@@carlcarter8799 but my argument is who exactly corrupts it? Every team gets shocking decisions against them. Every team gets some for them. All the evidence really shows is that referees don't really have a clue what the rules are or how they're meant to implement them.

@@magikarpsplashy I don't know who is exactly behind it ,it could be crime,government,the real people that run government's (the so called elites)

As sad as this is and I have no evidence but I think it's 2 fold the Premier league loves all the conversation and story's around var decisions as it generates clicks and money and therefore keeps the Premier League at the top of algorithms across all platforms and that generate more eyes on their product also as the original poster hints at and is definitely happening in some shape would be in game match betting with syndicates in Asia, just think of all the other sports who have had issues with betting and peds but never anything in football seems odd

In fairness forest are shite regardless of the decision

If you get relegated it's not because of this game.

Premier League is played over 38 games, not 1 decision. Cup competitions can be lost due to a refereeing error. For the league, you finish where you deserve.

​@@Camden0800ahhh remember the good old days without var wouldnt need to point this out to the idiots 😂

It's not just 1 game, just search for a montage of bad decisions against forest this season already from refs.

Not only that he had his arm locked around Hudson Odoi's elbow.

Absolutely right, and it is a pile of horse manure that obfuscation Howard Webb comes up with there, because the ref didn't decline the penalty on the grounds of not forceful enough contact he denied the penalty on the grounds that he (the defender) got the ball. If he was disabused of that erroneous belief he may well have given a penalty and I very firmly believe it was one. It would be too much for Webb to admit that they got at least two wrong. Instead he's comes up with an alternative reason why it wasn't a penalty but not the reason the ref gave.

100% correct. That is the only thing they needed to look for and they missed it.

They scrubbed the recording to erase Atwell singing “We are Luton ..” and chanting “There’s only one Ross Barkley” before making his corrupt decisions.

He certainly is incompetent - or he may be putting straight a complete balls-up he made by disallowing a goal in Everton's first game of the season.

He is the core of the problem.

EXACTLY 💯

We all stand with you, this has to end.

Every game apart from two maybe three since November. They hate the owner and want us gone. Hopefully he puts the horses head in someone’s bed and turns their opinion of him round. Or starts flying them first class for holidays to uae like the Bahamians in charge of Man City. Maybe then they won’t have such a vendetta to get us back to the championship

Game's gone and it's never coming back. They've got it now where they can get a decision 100% wrong and the media will protect them and the person that made the decision will be rewarded. You can't question the official and regardless of how many times they get a decision wrong they'll still lie to you and say it's made the game better. It's over.

I don't understand why they used it in the FA Cup when is not used at all lower league grounds

*I HATE V🖥️R* . It has been the worst thing to be introduced to football. The same Monday morning apologies are going to be the order of the day for seaons to come.

Its destroys the immediacy of the sport too. Players dont celebrate the same way anymore, viewers dont celebrate the same, there is a disconnect. Watched Madrid vs Bayern yesterday - no VAR intervention and it was fantastic, so free flowing.

100%. That euphoric feeling when the ball hit the back of the net, that we all lived for, has been dampened so much. I find it really sad. I would rather have the occasional match ruined by a bad decision, than every match ruined by VAR.

It's mind boggling

*I HATE V🖥️R* . It has been the worst thing to be introduced to football. The same Monday morning apologies are going to be the order of the day for seaons to come.

100%, the “forensic offside calls” are the most painful thing I’ve seen come into football, can only hope this VAR plague will destroy itself

Totally agree. And the handball was a penalty too, especially if it was Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool or the likes screaming for a penalty, but because it wasn't a top team and the VAR ref supported Luton, that wasn't a penalty either.

Think of the hundreds of millions of pounds bet on PL games all over the world and there's your answer.

The rules of the game are not actually designed for a technological binary decision, it's all "in the opinion of the referee" and "seeking to gain advantage" not if the attackers toe is before an imaginary line drawn by a computer.

Yup. PGMOL simply changed the rules in the middle of a contest, and gaslighting anyone who notices. There is not the slightest doubt about softer contact be given earlier in the season.

It simply depends on the team shouting for a penalty. If it's Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool or the likes, it's a penalty. If it's Everton, Wolves, Forest etc it isn't. Total corruption.

@@zig_ziggy Liverpool's Alexis MacAllister getting kicked with studs hard in the chest in the Man Ciry box for a no call is in the running for top 20 refereeing gaffs this season. Admittedly, the competition for that list is really stiff this season.

Your being too kind. We would all love a world where the correct call was made by referees with integrity. That Forest have been slammed by the media for raising the matter, shows how deep the corruption has gone. Watch the RU-vid highlights of that game in slo-mo and make your own decision on how many penalties VAR should have have called. The last call was corruption, pure and simple.

@@zig_ziggy Yeah, and wow, how some of the media have gone to town about Forest's complaints. If the number of decisions that Forest had go against them this season happened against either Utd or Liverpool then both Neville and Jamie Carragher would be claiming a vendetta against their clubs. Every team gets decisions go against them but it seems to be every game with Forest and they all seem to be big ones, like against Bournmouth, Boly being sent of for a foul on him (PGMOL apologised), against Man U, Joe Worrall gives away penalty and sent off as last man when another player was clearly last man, Ryan Yates fouled in box at home against Everton, clear as daylight, no penalty, against Newcastle keeper brings down Aywoniyi, his whole arm up to his shoulder was under the striker's leg, Williams against West Ham should have had a penalty, the farce against Liverpool when ref stopped game for an injury, Forest had the ball, if that had been inside the box it would be given to the keeper but it was outside box and Forest should have kept it. Liverpool given the ball and went on to score. Then these three bad decisions in one game in which it seems that VAR wasn't even going to look at any of them in detail. If Forest bring up that he's a Luton fan it's true, to ask why someone with an emotional connection to the result is fair, it's not saying he cheated, just saying he shouldn't be there, to avoid the remote possibility he might. I'd rather go back to the days when human error costs games instead of overbearing, self important teams of officials interfering with the flow of the game, taking up time which adds to the pressure, kitchen sink minutes at the end and still getting it wrong!

They can't sack him they've just said he's one of the 4 best ref's in the UK. Let that sink in. The person who could not see that a person sliding through the back of a player and not even touching the ball was a foul in the penalty area is at least the 4th best referee in the UK. If they sack him they'll only have 3 ref's left. And just to add insult to injury one of those top 3 referee's couldn't see how Declan Rice kicking a player in the groin was a foul. What an absolute state the officiating is in.

Sack someone for a mistake? Guess every player needs sacking as well then.

@@Camden0800 it's corruption, pure and simple. A mistake happens every so often but it's getting to the point where it's literally every game now

@@Camden0800 A referee is entitled to make a mistake in real time. VAR can freeze real time, wind it back, repeat it over and over again. What's the excuse for that?

Not the referees fault, I used to referee and its hard in real time, but when you have the benefit of replay it's supposed to help. _'To me that sounds like someone trying to not tell his mate hes got it wrong'_ Mike Dean actually admitted he refused to tell Anthony Taylor that Romero had pulled Cucharellos hair because "he was a mate and he'd had a hard game", now refusal to enact the rules whether for friendship or financial gain is the same thing- Corruption, yet no action was taken against Dean.

Because its biased rubbish

Because these are not serious professionals, but mates more worried about not embarrassing each other than doing their jobs.

Hasn’t been the case for years. If the challenge is for the ball the result can’t be a red & penalty.

Only a red card if the foul is outside the box and he is the last man.

@@eddie_1878 Except for Forest then

@@eddie_1878 It wasn't for the ball. It was for the man.

@@josephkerrigan733 no, it was a challenge for the ball.

The pundits are all part of the corruption.

I think there will be severe consequences for both them and the company they’re working for

Because IFAB doesn't allow it. It's nothing to do with the Premier League.

NFL and NBA? 😂😂😂😂😂

The pgmol wants that but ifab won’t allow it

What difference is listening-in on something you still have no control over is going to make?! The same old Monday morning apology will be the order of the day. That's not "transparency"

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115 charges fc.

Spot on. It’s up to little Forest to stand up to the corruption on behalf of football, huge applause to Forest and their supporters for making a fight out of this

What?

That doesn’t take the mentally incompetent decisions out of it tho

So you have all your appeals and then a blatantly obvious mistake is made !

*I HATE V🖥️R* . It has been the worst thing to be introduced to football. The same Monday morning apologies are going to be the order of the day for seaons to come.

Well it was ok the previous month when Webb and Owen talked about the City foul in the last seconds against Liverpool last month, Webb needs to resign, he is not fit for the job

like shelf service tills in supermarkets

The truth.