Many priests in the east are married as well. The eastern catholic communion allows men to be married having grown up in their congregation, and become a priest after all this.
@@Naamy19X9 I can see it going both ways. I personally would like married clergy in the west, but I see the benefits of not having a family to look after on top of a family to look after.
While the worship looks "Anglican", it was actually 'compiled' by a very Holy Catholic saint who converted from Anglicanism to Catholicism , St John Henry Newman. So while yes its Anglican, its also VERY catholic and in a weird sense preserves some aspects of the Use of Sarum
This is an exception of the rule in the Latin rite. There are still many rites that allow married men to become Priests. For example , my cousin's cousin is a married Priest in the Syro Malankara rite. Also, as to the question whether they are Anglican or Catholic, I would say that they are Anglican Catholics, just like what the Church in Britain was before the whole divorce scandal.
Calling the Catholic Anglican Ordinariates, Anglican Catholics, might be confusing since there is a group of Anglicans that call themselves Anglo Catholics, but they're not Catholics (not in communion with the Bishop of Rome)
@@ThePianoFortePlayer I wasn't really talking about what term we should use for them, I was talking about whether they are "Anglican" or "Catholic" and my answer would be, they are "Anglican Catholics" as in they are Anglican in tradition and Catholic in authority structure.
The eastern catholic churches sometimes block married men from entering the priesthood. The North American eparchies of the Maronite Church, which is a particular church under the greater Catholic Church, has mostly single, celibate priests like their Latin counterparts from what I understand
We're members of the Roman Rite so we are Roman Catholics. If the ordinariates become their own rite, then I would imagine that would be called the Anglican Rite which would make us Anglican Catholics.
One slight correction. While the Anglican Ordinariate dates earlier than 2009, but under a different name. My grandfather was an Episcopalian priest who converted to Catholicism and became a Catholic priest in the early 1980s. He was able to perform an Anglican-style liturgy while in communion with the Catholic Church, and the parish he ran (Our Lady of Walsingham in Houston) was referred to as an Anglican-Use parish. So this was already a thing like 25 years before the Anglican Ordinariate was officially founded. That same church, Our Lady of Walsingham, is now the top church of the Ordinariate of the Chair of Saint Peter.
Ordinariates are like dioceses. So no, they did not exist prior 2009. The liturgy (Anglican Use) still existed, but under the Pastoral Provisions of Pope John Paul II and when a priest celebrated that liturgy, it was still in a diocese. I currently attend Walsingham, which, as you said, is the cathedral.
@@josephdemary4048 Okay, that makes sense. I remember my grandfather explaining how he came to the Church and everything, and he just said that what he started eventually became the Ordinariate. He didn't say how it all worked prior to the Ordinariate being formed. Thank you.
@@Nonz.M It would allow them more autonomy and a more in depth diocese structure & that autonomy would allow them to incorporate more aspects of anglican/methodist practice while still staying true to the catholic faith. Allowing priests to get married without exception is one example
Me as well, but they are still too small to form a 'particular church' plus they'd need a central see to govern from and a(probably) major Archbishop installed
For that to happen they would have to convert as a whole. Their bishops and priests would need to convert together, but the bishops (when married, which they usually are) can't convert as a bishop because of the ordinariate rules, they would only be able to become a priest.
well the anglicans arent the only married priests, eastern rite, anglican ordinariate, and even roman rite priests coming in from other faith traditions
I attend the Ordinariate in Toronto. We are small but with perhaps a younger congregation than your average parish in Toronto. We celebrate the liturgy "ad orientem" (everyone faces the same way, including the priest, for most of the liturgy). I'm a cradle Roman Catholic, and I joined in part because of the more reverent liturgy in the English language. I would not say we are thriving but we have a committed and lively parish, with many people attending intermittently. We take the Anglican musical tradition seriously. I'm still comfortable in most novus ordo masses, but attending the Ordinariate liturgy has taught me to be more reverent. And it's usually not less than an hour, with lots of incense and altar servers. It's helped me to appreciate Eastern liturgy more profoundly also, as I sometimes attend Orthodox liturgies because of my work. We are not served by one priest, but by many, and that is part of its attraction for me.
Too many people are focusing on the fact that other catholic traditions allow married priests. It was just a mere jumping off point about a visible difference between a Catholic priest of Anglican patrimony and a Roman Catholic priest.
The Episcopal Church has been cracking down on people who deliberately get both Married and Ordained through them only to convert to Roman Catholicism. My friend Colin Miller did this, but I think his intentions were noble, I don't think he planned it from the beginning.
Not like the Espiscopal Church lures catholic priests into their church by allowing them to get married... Reminds me of a English dude name Henry or something...
@@realDonaldMcElvyAs if a communion started as a divorce scheme would be the bed of theological reason Cranmer left this word in fire and is entering the next in fire
That was an accurate video. Besides, the Eastern Catholic Church allows men to be married Priests. But these Priests can not become Bishops as Bishops can not be married men. This is also true with their schism counterparts of the Orthodox Church. The Sacrament of Holy Orders is the office of the successors of the Apostles. The higher a man advances in Holy Orders, the more in the fullness these men are in the office of the successors of the Apostles. If you think of a cup of water the cup representing the office and the water the Grace Deacons would be 1/3rd of the cup filled with water, Priests would be 2/3rds of the cup filled with water, and Bishops would be a completely filled cup of water. As for why Bishops decided not to be married men because of what St .Paul said that a married man is divided between serving his wife and serving God and His Church. And since they should be emulating Jesus as they are His ambassadors on Earth, they too should be celibate like Jesus. St. Paul himself wasn't a married man even though the other Apostles had wives and children, including St. Peter. So you can understand why there is Priestley celibacy and at least appreciate it as Jesus is our God.
The Canons of St. Basil, accepted by both Rome and the East during the time of the Schism, state that the party that commits the act of Schism is them that set up "False Altars" or the establishment of Parallel Jurisdictions to established Churches. The Romans were the ones to first do this in Antioch via the Norman Crusaders, who ousted the rightful Patriarch, who was in Communion with Rome, and installed a Latin Bishop. So within the standards of the Church at the Time Rome is the one guilty of Schism. And Rome had admitted this on many occasions.
@@acekoala457 Centuries before the Crusades, the Greeks set up a parallel jurisdiction to the established Church of Alexandria in Egypt, yet the Coptic faithful continued to recognise their original Pope.
Very few people see any need for an Ordinariate here. While ultra-evangelicalism is dominant in Sydney, Armidale and NW Australia dioceses, Anglicanism in the remainder of the country spreads across the Anglican spectrum with quite a weighting towards the Catholic end. In addition, religion of any sort plays next to no part in general society. @@Amdgomer
Allowing worthy married men to be ordained as priests would go a long way to overcoming numerous problems in the Western Church, such as the priest shortage.
No. Just no. Yes, the language is more formal, and we use "Holy Ghost" instead of "Holy Spirit" much of the time, but it's not Shakespeare's English. It's formal, modern English. If you meant your comment as a joke, I'm afraid it's not obvious.
The Mass is the same in the fact that we use the same Lectionary as the Novus Ordo liturgy and the Preface Dialogue, and the same options for the Eucharistic Prayers. However, there is a lot about the individual Mass that is different, drawing from the Old Sarum Liturgy (Salisbury Cathedral in 1100AD), the Latin Mass pre-Tridentine, and the Tradition Latin Mass (1962) Missal. All of this, together with the Anglican Book of Common Prayer, form one river from these 4 liturgical streams, as it were.
The framing as "look more Anglican" is very confusing to me. Anglo-Catholics in the 19th pursued a style of worship and aesthetics inspired by pre-reformation English Catholicism, but this was not isolated to Anglicans. Catholics in England also were fond of this style, A.W Pugin was a Catholic convert whose work in Church architecture and decoration set the trend for English Christians across denominational boundaries. As an English Catholic myself I'd say that liturgically and aesthetically there is a large degree of convergence among Catholics and Anglicans here. Maybe it is uniquely Anglican in the states, but the style identified has its origins in Catholicism and is not alien to it today.
Nothing all that new in the Catholic Church. Just look at the history of some of our Popes we have had many that were widowed before becoming a priest. Pope Felix III (483-492) Himself the son of a priest, he fathered two children, one of whom was the mother of Pope Gregory the Great. Pope Hormisdas (514-523) was father of Pope Silverius (536-537) Pope Adrian II (867-872) His wife and daughter both resided with him until they were murdered by Eleutherius, brother of Anastasius Bibliothecarius, the Church's chief librarian. Pope John XVII (1003) All of his three children became priests Pope Clement IV (1265-1268) Both of his two children entered a convent.
