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The early protagonist's Stands have to do with ghostly tropes. Star Platinum - Telekinesis Magician's Red - Pyrokinesis Hermit Purple - Spirits appearing in photographs Hierophant Green - Just...regular..possession, I guess? Silver Chariot - Possessed suit of Armor
It’s worth noting that the role of Holly’s illness is the reason Jotaro decided to even embark on this odyssey. Baring assassins like Kakyoin, he has no motivation to go after DIO at the beginning of SC, the only people who do being Joseph and Avdol. When his mother’s life is threatened by DIO’s blood curse, he does decide to go because whether the OVA shows it or not, Jotaro loves his mother (this is shown in the recent anime and the original manga as Holly charges to rescue Jotaro from prison, as her cherished memories of him being a lovely son play out in their sepia glory), whether or not the disrespectful shit shows it.
Me talking to my mom the music nerd about jojo Me: a lot of the chareacters are named after bands and songs like Green Day, Killer Queen, and Led Zepplin Mom: cool Me: There’s also one named Vanilla Ice... Mom:... He’s the bad guy right? Me: ...Yes? Mom: Good
Considering how human history and fiction has been bathed in a blood-soaked orgy of tragedy, I don't think happy endings are all that overrated, whether they be the family friendly variety or the kind you find in a soap city parlor.
Actually, I thought Samurai Jacks series finale was pretty solid. I may have said Happy endings may not be overrated, but, a bittersweet or sad ending is still an valid ending if it is pulled off effectively.
But that ending was NOT pulled off effectively!! It was a frigging rip-off of Gureen Lagaan!! He better pray Ganax studios never sees that or he's on the receiving end of a lawsuit! And that ending was NOT solid it was a throw together mess that made no damn sense at the end! And Jacxk was heartbroken! He was miserable! How can you say it was solid, you LIOKE seeing him sad and lonely?! You DO?! Did we wait 13 years for that?!~ You may have...BUT I DIDN;T AND I WANT A DO-OVER!
okay...I doubt Gainax studios would get riled up. Disney made Atlantis: the Lost Empire which in essence was similar to Nadia: secret of the blue water, which said anime in turn was inspired by Jules Verne's Journey to he Center of the Earth. The creators deny watching Nadia, but the similarities remain. Gainax, in turn had Gunbuster and Evangelion, both of which were influenced by Yoshiyuki Tomino's Space Runaway Ideon, Gunbuster less so in terms of basing the titular mecha's design off the Ideon, while the film End of Evangelion had an apocalyptic conclusion similar to the conclusion of the film Ideon: Be Invoked, which the latter had an ending inspired by Arthur C. Clarke's Childhoods End's conclusion. Whether or not Gainax filed suit for Atlantis, or if the would go on and sue Cartoon Network for Samurai Jacks Ending, it would be Hypocritical to do so considering how many of Gainax's works were derivative from other fiction. Though I do not shame them for deriving narrative considering how fiction in general is derivative.
I as an Anime/manga fan who also happens to be a Muslim, the whole situation with the Quran didn't bother me, because as Sage said its mostly due to miscommunication and cultural error than malicious intent because after all one of the heroes of Stardust Crusaders Advol (original named Abdul after pop singer/OG American Idol judge Paula Abdul but was changed to Advol to avoid copyright), is supposed to be a muslim himself. As for the buildings that looked mosques being destroyed in the manga's original print, that didn't bother me either since you know there are works of media in Japan that had scenes of their own religious monuments being destroyed.
Im not affiliated with any supersitious faith or religion so its really hard for me to grasp what the problem is with those scenes. Is it the implication that Dio is a bad guy because he reads the Quran? Or is it more about Dio having read the Quran and he is being villain despite having read the godly message? What was the actual problem with Dio reading the Quran? How and why where religious feelings of so many hurt by that scene, it really doesnt make any sense to me. Would it been okay if Jotaro read the Quran or is any depiction of the Quran regardless of who is reading it a problem? Is the depiction of the Quran just as forbidden as creating any depiction of the holy prophet? I wish i could understand it but the only reason i could see for this outrage is that muslim people are very proud people and they are also overprotective of their faith. I personally think its pretty scary that some people are so deeply, emotionally involved in their faith that they become irrational and sometimes even dangerous to others. " there are works of media in Japan that had scenes of their own religious monuments being destroyed." Why can the japanese tollerate such a fictional depiction of their monuments being destroyed without outrage but the muslims are super upset about a building that could be a mosque being depicted as destroyed in a fictional work? Why are muslims so snivering when it comes to their faith? I really dont get it and im sure i will never get it.
I hope we can get an answer from Badre Bally, I haven't seen nor read Jojo's Bizarre Adventures and I have close to 0% knowledge on Muslims and I haven't had an occasion to talk with people knowledgeable on the subject but I've been quite curious on the subject.
I highly doubt it had anything to do with copyright, considering all of the other characters' names (and the fact that you can't copyright a name). It was probably the same thing that happened to Krillin and Bulma: terrible mistransliteration.
@@MrBroken030 Muslims have been used to be portrayed as bad guys so the image of a bad guy reading pages the Quran made them believe that this was an indication that it was meant to show Islam in general in a bad light. But most Muslim Anime fans I came across just moved on.
@@Elementa2006 it's weird since there have been Bible - reading villains portrayed since Dante's Inferno. I guess it might be that many Muslims are more sensitive because they're portrayed in media a lot less overall. Still, I understand that Islam is very diverse in how it's practiced across different cultures, but the overreactions many have over this, The Message, Salman Rushdie, Charlie Hebdo, etc are a much worse look than a villain reading a book.
Jotaro gets a little more depth in the manga/more recent adaptation, in Part 4, and especially in Part 6. Basically, his whole thing is that underneath the cool, stoic exterior, he's a bit of a dork (he's interested in marine biology and Columbo, among other things) and that he does care deeply about his friends and family. Heck, he gets badly injured for the sake of both his mom, and later, his daughter (who rightfully calls him out for being TOO stoic and not filling in her and her poor mother in on the whole Stand thing, since he was worried a violent Stand user might hurt them to get to him). Kakyoin gets a bit more depth in the manga/more recent anime too, including an anime-exclusive scene that gives him even more backstory. Basically, he purposely ostracized himself, thinking no one would be able to relate to having a Stand, and DIO manipulated the poor kid into doing his bidding, on the grounds that he'd finally have someone who felt the same way he did. Oof.
I do like the interpretation that Jotaro's stoic demeanor is partly because he finds it difficult to express himself. It's cool to see a character like that develop close friendships over time and eventually open up.
19:04 There was a mistake here in your underderstanding when it comes to the sounds Araki was talking about. He wasn't talking about the battle sounds, he was talking about the atmospheric background SFX that he drew swirling around the page as part of the art itself, representing an undercurrent of dread, of suspense or of terror. It's something you'll see all over manga today but was something Araki basically pioneered. I'm talking stuff like ゴゴゴゴゴ(gogogogogo) or ドドドドド (dododododo). Does that not sound far more similar to the sounds of horror movies and progressive rock?
What I find stupid is that Muslims got offended over that and derided the OVA off as Islamaphobic, ignoring the fact that one of the Crusaders is named "Mohammed", and he's never portrayed in a way that can be interpreted as disrespectful towards their religion.
@kevin willems the way how he writ the review makes it *sound* like jojo is only this ova thus, these are why these types of comments exist and will continue exist in reviews like these.
@kevin willems well then, why dont you tell me why the comment was made? When some one talks about a work, only talking about a part of it. then when the discusser makes sweeping remarks about the work in its entirety some one will all ways comment "WUT ABOUT (X) U UNCULTURED SWINE!?" It's just going to happen.
Wowie maui, this episode is chockfull...awesome production work and a heartfelt congrats on your 200th. I don't really know bupkiss about jojo so who better to cover it from bookend to bookend
There was that old lady in Part 3; and there was Lisa Lisa in Part 2 who was a fucking badass; and Erina who raised Jorge II by herself, so that counts I guess; and then there's Trish Una in part 5; Koichi's "girlfriend" & the pink-haired ghost in Part 4; and then Part 5 (no comments necessary); so it couldn't really have been THAT with Holly
oh no, they didn't JUST give Enya a new 'ability', oh no, what they did was combine the traits of two seperate characters into one. that random 'lovesmitten' woman that saves hol horse? in the manga/newer anime, she is ALSO one of the villains trying to kill the heroes, specifically the user of The Empress who as far as we can tell murdered a more beutiful woman and hid inside her corpse while using her stand to attack Joeseph. they combined the one trait (disguising herself as a beautiful woman) and gave it to Enya in the OVA, meaning they ERASED a female character. Not to mention there were at least a couple more female villains who don't appear in the OVA
Heh. I was introduced to this series through Antfish's abridging of it... and pop culture aside, I was pleasantly surprised by how faithful the abridging remained to the arc after I watched it proper. :D
6:17- Wait, Joseph had a father named George, who was Jonathan's son and therefore George is Jotaro's great grandfather. Correctly, it would be great, great grandson.
"I believe it's important to look at media within the context of WHO created it and WHEN it was created." In a time where we have one side of the internet jumping to conclusions and getting seemingly offended by anything and everything and the other side shitting on anything that comes close to an attempt not to offend people. This whole speech needs to be written in stone.
You could have said that just as well without all the hashtags, but I see your point. I'm not saying it's excusable and that everything made before the so called "SJW" movement should be given a free pass. I'm simply suggesting that what is and isn't socially acceptable changes with time and it's not all together fair to judge people based on the sensibilities they didn't know existed. Doesn't mean their behavior isn't toxic or even that it wasn't toxic back then, but it does mean that toxicity comes from a place of ignorance instead of outright malice. At least with situations like these. I'm not saying the time period of creation makes these kinds of things ok, or even justifiable, but it does make it more understandable on an objective level. And I'll say again, in a time where everyone is jumping to either side of the internet, we could really use with more objectiveness.
@@ValD98 that's objectively Falls. Me too isn't about women just wanting the accusing men of rape, its exposing the longstanding history of sexual predators in Hollywood. The term Casting Couch exist for a reason. And some of these guys - A lot of these guys attached many of these women had no desire to sleep with them. Trust me. Right to vote and be responsible for your sake as a citizen of the country. Women wanted to be recognized as cognitive human beings and not a viewed as property or a trade. To fight in the war especially bag then would be too much either for women especially with how they were seen as dainty and the fact of the matter is would have a physical disadvantage in war because of the biological advantage of man has. Or are you saying that because someone is more physically powerful that the others mental capacity should be disregarded and they should be treated differently and have different right? That the more physically capable should have their voices heard while the disadvantaged and strength and a disabled should be shoved in the background and be told to keep quiet?
@@AmazingAutist You've clearly heard way too much feminist non-sense on these topics. First of all, the women that headed the women's suffrage movement wanted voting rights only for upper class women. Had nothing to do with supporting women in general. Second, yes, women would have a biological disadvantage due to their lack of physical strength. Yet I don't see you arguing that voting discriminate against children because they're cognitively less capable than adults. Their _biology_ restricts them as less responsible than adults. Should we give children voting rights as well? Are children viewed as property or a means of trade because they can't vote? Obviously not. Voting isn't a right, it's a privilege. Besides that, before universal male suffrage due to the draft during WW1 (which was a mistake IMO) the right to vote was only given to NET tax payers (meaning people who pay more into the government than they take out in benefits). That's generally a better system since NET taxpayers are the ones responsible for their country, so they should be the ones voting on it's development. The problem with universal female suffrage is that women get so much welfare their tax payments are meaningless, so they just end up being human parasites on the economy. If we went back to the old system, most women wouldn't be voting, and in fact most them didn't at the time despite the law being gender neutral. And yes, this would indeed be 'silencing' most women, but they haven't earned a political voice in any tangible way, so they don't deserve a say in a country they're not responsible for just because they live in it, just like a child doesn't have a say in what goes on in the house. Finally, look - any person or movement that asks you to blindly believe you without question is a guaranteed scam. Yeah, some women have exposed genuine predators, but most women are simply using to get back at a co-worker for their own selfish gain. This isn't the first time a group of women has done this, BTW. Back when Jim Crow era lynchings and Salem witch hunts were a thing, most people who falsely accused men of witchcraft and rape were women. Women lie. And they lie so much because they know you'll believe them. They can't even be genuine with their face and body - what makes you think they're be genuine about rape if you don't ask for evidence, like, at least a fucking police report?
@@AmazingAutist Also, casting coach is basically actress prostitution. They sleep with the manager, he gives them a role. If they're forced to do it, it's rape, if they aren't and they just want the easy way out, it's not, it's a fucking exchange. Most of the accusations fall under the second category, because the actresses weren't being threatened with anything if they refused a producer's advances.
Great episode for the most part though there is an inherent issue with the concept of "outrage as a means of agency". Yes your quote of judging slowly is spot on in every sense, but that quote only functions within the confines of those whom choose to judge on the hair trigger. As you've mentioned certain marginalized groups have pushed to gain more inclusion in media (in which they have every right to do so). The problem is that when these groups much like they have done in comics/games/ manga/news do not care for context because context is not required in the intellectual frame of mind they use to examine the world, and by proxy its media. To these individuals on both extremes there exists this Neo Hegelian thought process of deconstructing ones surroundings and media as tools of the oppressor or as means of subverting/burying or otherizing some sort of subject of people. This is regardless of intent or context, and this is evidenced in several artistic works over the past decade or so. Its very much the "everything is .... and you need to point it all out" quote thats become famous and I think its something to keep in mind that yes we must focus on progress, but not to the point in which a work loses its artistic soul or loses what made the original property special. This much has become the norm with western media in their attempts to cater and satisfy based on calculated outrage rather than what services the story. keep up the good work
I have to ask this. Why was it such a controversy? DIO was in a Egyptian building that appears to be some kind of library if he was trying to gain as much knowledge as possible why wouldn't he read the Quoran which would be in a place with such a large percentage of Muslims.
The Popcorn Tape - Christians are people too! WE do get offended! But we prefer to boycott and protest! Hell why do you think SNL's ratings began to plummet in March? Because we are SICK of their anti-Christian humor.
colleen Also SNL's material is always the same now. They basically have that one unoriginal skit and the rest are political about the same thing every time. So dull.
It would have to be the fact that Dio being such a horrible person holding and reading something that is holy and sacred would make them get mad. As a Muslim myself, when I first heard of this (I was already into Jojo at this point), that made me feel uncomfortable because it's a religious book Muslims hold very deeply in their hearts. After 100 years and basically never even hearing of Islam, I understand why Dio would want to read up on it. However, he is a bastard that practically denies God (anyone can see that), so him reading something religious makes it seem blasphemous and disrespectful to the book and religion.
I don't remember how long ago I started watching your show, but I do feel that you have taken us on a journey into learning about anime and its history. Thank you so much.
I haven't watched anime abandon in a long time, but I'm happy that I stayed subscribed, it was nice to see you discussing an anime to dear to my heart. When you get down to earth and things get real, you have this very comforting way of presenting it. Grave of the fireflies, jinroh and this, it makes for very engaging watching. Something I should have said way back, Thank you for videogirl ai, the speech you gave cut straight to the core when times were dark, it still moves me even now. Thank you.
the whole thing about reacting to anything without thinking it through, thank you sage, if I had to pick a favorite reviewer, it'd be you, mostly because when you have to, you can show a good point and help us out, I remember your end of Video Girl Ai and after that, I had nothing but respect for you man
Glad you finally did this. I love Jojo to death, and I believe it's such a heartfelt, creative, and intriguing work that everyone should read and experience. I've been a fan since '07, and it feels amazing to see Jojo come so far and keep going. Hell, Araki has an exhibit at The Tokyo National Art Center coming up this summer, which will be the second time a mangaka has had a solo exhibiton since Osamu Tezuka 28 years ago. If you ask me, I think it's a well deserved accolade. Also, ITTY BITTY BABY
The only reason I haven't seen this anime yet is I'm still jaded by the guy who tried to get me to watch it who said to me that Cowboy beebop was boring garbage.
otakon17 I used to think the same about Cowboy Bebop. After watching Sage's Synopsis of it I bought it on DVD and rewatched it. I was wrong so, so wrong. It's now in my top 3 favorite Animes.
The old OVAs were one of my first anime series I have ever watched and I do not think I can ever forget them, even with the new anime out thanks to how they influenced me. So here is to Jojo, and also to you Sage, congrats on the 200th episode and thanks for all the time and effort you put in for us to enjoy...
While I always enjoy your humor, even all the way back to episode 1, I always thought your show was at its best when it was analytical, whether it be about the anime production, the cultural context in which it was created, or even learning something completely tangential to the show itself. So having an entire hour long episode in this style, this is simply your master piece! Congratulations at 200, can't wait to see the 500th!
mollys case is not solely related to women in diamond is unbreakable we see another character not having a "strong fighting spirit" and his own stand ends up killing him this is A RULE applied to EVERY USER man women animal if your "fighting spirit" is not strong enough then your stand will harm you we have seen other stand users that ARE women but their stands do not harm them because their "fighting spirit" is strong enough to have control over it lets just say that molly was strong in nature and spirit then her stand wouldnt be trying to kill her you can have a nature like molly and at the same time have a "strong fighting spirit" for example koichi hes nice, gentle, polite person but as the arc progresses we see that he has a strong fighting spirit specially when a stand user threatens koichis family
@@LieutenantAlaki STONE OCEAN SPOILER Because they are organisms that run on survival instinct. Holly doesn't have the willingness to potentially harm others for her goals, unlike the plankton which become F.F. Also, Pucci threw in a memory DISC as well, which gave her even higher functions with which to develop a more human ability to learn and adapt, and eventually, emote.
@@GiornoGiovannaGangstar JOJOLION SPOILERS Both Sugar Mountain Spring and Les Feuilles are essentially unique cases, and don't exactly follow the standard Stand rules. LF in particular is the result of strangeness involving the Wall Eyes, than a Stand manifested by the trees individually.
And anyways Josuke himself got exactly the same condition as Holly at exactly the same time; Joseph just never knew he existed, so who would ? It was implied but never explicitly stated
So this is the first time I decided to finally watch one of your videos, an I was surprised by how great this was. I didn't expect someone to talk so much about the OVA and honestly at first, a little disappointed, but now I'm happy and amazed to learn so much about it. I'm going back to watch some of the other videos I missed out, because sir, you are awesome.
also, I dont see how you cant quantify it as self censorship simply because there was no intended offense. they still changed something that wasnt offensive because people complained simply for them taking offense to something unoffensive. If I suddenly change, erase or omit something because _someone_ might take it the wrong way, how is that not me censoring my own creativity. Creativity should be given free reign to be what it is, without moral fearmongers shackling it down. Simple facts, there is always going to be someone offended by everything, so why should I or any other creative person second and third guess everything created because theres a chance it might offend someone.
Well, this is not the case, but in theory you could decide to do that because you unwittingly added something that changes the meaning you intended for that scene.
Damn! Great video Bennett I think this might actually be my favorite Anime Abandon episode so far. Keep up the great stuff. Also I thought the EXACT same thing when they referenced Dio.
Dear Ben, Love the Ep. Love that you're still going and 200 is just one more step into the world of anime. Your humor and insight is both hilarious and intriguing. With what I think the mes*sage* in this Ep is about, my motto has also been Slow and Steady. So keep going at your own pace Brother and I'll keep watching...Till Next Time
Seeing you before and after the weight loss is amazing, it was like a physical transformation of you with this series only getting better and better each time we saw you. Keep going my friend, youre doing something amazing here!
Healthy Bennette is still hard to get used to, but I’m proud of him for setting a goal and achieving it. Happy 200 Lord Regent Sage, and I’m looking forward to the future my dude
This is the first recent video I've seen from you sage and holy fucking shit the weight you lost is staggering and I'm so happy for you! I almost didn't recognize it was really you for like 30 seconds!
This was actually way more in depth and interesting than I could've guessed at a glance Easily my favourite video from you, which I swear I mean Only as a compliment, since your episode quality is incredibly consistent and great I'm gushing, so uh TL;DR, amazing episode, interesting discussion on the controversies surrounding the OVA series, and with a great conclusion on art, artists, and the context of the two I loved this, through and through
Dude... I've recently only started watching your channel (YT recommended all your old vids from 4-5 yrs ago). I started this vid and at first I thought the main star of the show had been replaced. You are amazing!
This episode is and will forever be special to me. Last year in May was a special time for me watching anime abandon which is saying a lot, considering much of my time even before then had been special moments with AA. I had just moved to a new home and nothing is quite like setting up in a new location just soaking in the environment especially when indulging in a favorite past time.
Bennett, I haven't seen your stuff in a long time, but last I remembered you were working hard on getting yourself into shape. Looks like that paid off, and if that's the case and I'm not missing something else, congratulations! Also, Thank you for this episode! "Judge Slowly." is now one of my new favorite phrases, and I think I'll carry it with me from an already great episode. Good luck out there!
An hour long video of Sage and yet this is still only the tip of the Jojo Iceberg. There is SO much to unpack beyond the OVA to truly understand Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure as a whole. For one thing Stardust Crusaders is like Final Fantasy VII. It’s the most popular of the series and it’s main hero may be the face of the series when ppl typically think of it. But it’s not the most beloved. Diamond is Unbreakable and Golden Wind are just warmly embraced. Secondly is the issue of the inclusiveness of women in Jojo. Obviously for timing reasons a lot of female (and male) characters were cut from the OVA that appeared in the original arc. As was pointed out the women who threw herself at Hol Horse wasn’t just some whaif throwing herself to him. In both the manga and 2014 anime she was also a Stand User. Her role was diminished simply by virtue the battle of Hol Horse and J Geil was too pivotal to the story to omit. Her Stand battle with old Joseph wasn’t as important. But if we just lookit Stardust Crusaders as a whole representation of the series as a sausage-fest that of course is grossly misrepresented. Not only did you have Jolyne Kujoh leading in Stone Ocean but the arc prior to Stardust Crusaders (Battle Tendency) had Lisa Lisa training Young Joseph and Ceasar Zeppeli. Also though Jojo appeals to boys cause of the escapsim of a typical battle anime; the fact is Jojo isn’t just full of men. It’s full of beautiful and sexy men. Something female fans absolutely adore; hence why Jojo has so many of them. The series is just as much fan service to women as it is to men. And finally the entire controversy on how people reacted to the inclusion of the Qaran. At the very end of that discussion Sage came to the logical conclusion that the initial reaction to it and the consequences thereafter was in fact “stupid.” So much happened due to a knee-jerk reaction e spiraled out of control to the point they had to apologize and stop distributing the DVD. Even with the Jinx controversy that took some time to have a discussion about how unintentionally offensive that was before a decision was made to alter her. With Jojo no time was given simply because by this time internet and social media was in full bloom. And what is social media other than knee-jerk reactions to controversy blown heavily out of proportion. Rarely since this episode aired has there been civil discussion about controversial topics regarding cultural sensitivity. Social media is full of reactionary rage addicts who don’t want to discuss why something is controversial. It’s controversy for the sake of controversy and people want instant justification and gratification as to why they feel upset. So while Sage was right on the mark with how we need to judge slowly…That sadly doesn’t happen in the world of social media. It’s judge quickly and execute immediately. It’s more about instant gratification than calm retrospection. And even everything I talked about isn’t even the tip of Jojo. There is always so much much much more to talk about the series as a whole. That’s also why it’s so great!
We'll walk with you down this road till the end. Bennett the Sage I want to thank you for everything. All your hard work and dedication to your craft. Making to 200 episodes is a true Testament to your soul and I for one will keep watching till the end. The Insanity will keep watching till the end. Thanks man and until next time. Stay Golden
8:52 That and getting shot with an arrow made from a meteorite with an alien virus, or getting magic cds in your head, or falling into magic dirt,or absorbing the mummified remains of Jesus, or in some cases getting fused with a dead guy in more special dirt.... Or be a random tree and an actual street and you just as good *God this series is weird*
