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Way overpriced. Would never go to this shop. My buddy who does oil changes at Firestone only charges half that : Internet 2020. . (Just kidding Johnny, the price is very good) : Car Wizard 2020
Dave I think the trick is to know exactly what's wrong with the vehicle and then have a nationally accredited shop like Meineke or Tuffy perform the work at 1/4 of the price and then call corporate on the franchisee if they screw up (also I love your channel Wizard!)
Hat’s off to Johnny for being a good sport on the camera and especially for working with people hovering. He seems cooler than the flip side of a pillow.
This brings back so many memories of working on my 7 series with very little knowledge or experience. Makes me feel much better to know the experts still have the same problems I did working on this thing.
Was so great to see this job being done. I’m a BMW guy and have owned many straight 6 Beamers but have always been wary of these older 4.4L v8 motors due to the damn chain guides!
I worked in a Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge service center for a while, and all but 1 of the techs were there for this same reason. They'll never be out of work!
I did this same timing chain job on my 01 540i in my garage. My impact didn't have enough clearance to get the main crank bolt off. Used a floor jack shaft as a 5 ft cheater bar and cranked on that bad boy for hours before I got it to lose. But I was lucky the pulley just came off. Watching you do this job gives me flashbacks. I wish they just used 4 timing chains like the previous v8 instead of a really long chain with crucial plastic that would be jealous of a legos durability. In a different life if I wasn't in the career I'm in I would love to be an apprentice to Car Ninja, madd Respect.
Johnny is a saint. I was working on my 323i in my back yard. Neighbor came over, trying to be helpful. I asked him to leave, telling him there was going to be some yelling, a lot of cursing, perhaps some crying. He ran.
Im a mechanic by trade, but i loved tearing down my old 325i, the e36 was a fantastic car. Original M52 lived on for just over 500k kms before finally giving in!
BMW saved $3 in factory on that plastic, you lost much more on repair, and also they sold you new part LOL BMW profit from their cars 20 years after car left factory
Jonny's odyssey with the crank bolt reminds me of when I was a young amateur mechanic trying to do my own timing belt on my 1989 Honda Accord. I didn't have an impact gun and had to resort to a 1/2 inch breaker bar plugged into an extension and the socket, with a 4 foot pipe over the breaker bar, using a spare jackstand as a fulcrum. I put the left front wheel back on, put the car on the ground, shifted the transmission into 5th gear, pulled the e brake hard, and laid into that pipe with all my might. I ended up dragging the rear wheels a few inches before that stupid bolt finally gave in.
There's an old expression: "never watch sausage being made", or in this case: "never watch a mechanic working on your car." That was BRUTAL! Necessary, but brutal. Props for Johnny keeping his cool...for most of the time.
having grown up on a farm and helping to work on farm machinery that kind of maneuver looked pretty normal to me. Things rarely went easy and often required some brute forcing
I agree, but this one really got him pissed off on camera...yes he needs his own channel...or Hoovie just bounces back & forth from Johnnies to the Car Wizard...and keeps his sanity, while the both of them loose theirs...its getting those failed parts off, or just finding the problem...what a major pain in the ass,... some times.
The Car Ninja doesn't get paid enough. The last thing I need when I have a stuck bolt is some mechanically incompetent observer sticking a camera in my face and making snarky comments. He should charge a surcharge (2x) when youtubers film while he is working.
Nothing screems PREMIUM and LUXURY like plastic parts inside an engine. Man guys from BMW are smart,building cheap cars and selling them for a lot of money.
I purchased used on Craigslist a 3/4 drive breaker bar and head (actually snap on brand for both pieces of the tool) to break loose the crank bolt on any bmw engines or engines requiring the main crank bolt to be removed. The bar bends under torque but doesn't break. It is a meter long or so and quite thick. They're on very tight, I think in the 325 foot pounds range. I would guess break away torque exceeds 500 foot pounds. They make often a popping sound as they release little by little. Pro tip, torque new bolt (bmw says to replace) 60 degrees, 60 again, and then 30, total of 150 degrees after the initial jointing torque of 100nm. You can mark a corner of the 6 sided bolt to the crank hub flange and turn it until the mark lines up with the next corner of the bolt, voila 60 degrees. Then do it again. Then do it halfway between the bolt corners and you got your 150 degrees. I am surprised a mechanic with such a beautiful professional shop who works on BMWs doesn't have a 3/4 bar and instead wants to warranty 500 bucks in wrenches to his snap on dealer. Source: I just did 3 of these V8 chain jobs back to back on various bmw engined vehicles and my experience is 23 total times doing the chain job on these V8s. I have never failed to remove the "Jesus bolt", even back in the earlier days of busting the nut loose using a jack handle over harbor freights trusty half inch breaker bar. Harbor freight also sells a 3/4 bar that I would guess should do the trick. Will listen to the video on the way to work.
Just picked up one of my two 2001 E38s today for a light control module replacement, again. When I got home I discovered that the right front and left rear floorboard were soaking wet, the left front and right rear floorboard were dry. Back to the mechanic tomorrow for a sunroof repair. This right after I had the other one repaired for running on 7 cylinders (bad coil) and had the rear brake pads replaced. Brake light was on, but I already had a set of pads waiting in the trunk. But I did have the cup holders in both cars replaced with permanently mounted E39 cup holders that function exactly as two holes molded in plastic should, as opposed to the ridiculous contraption that is the stock E38 cup holder. Victory! I see my old comment below. In 7 months I have added about $3000 miles to each car, at a repair cost of about $1 per mile. E38 life!
I've owned 4 BMWs over the years. Love driving the damn things, but the design concepts they use in their engines is beyond baffling! I mean, really, plastic guides for a metal chain. Nothing can go wrong there, right? And all the plastic parts in the cooling systems? By 50 or 60,000 miles, I was so scared to death of catching a $5,000 repair bill that I was selling or trading them. I drive a Lexus GS 350 now, a fine vehicle that can't really match a BMW for driving dynamics, but I sleep much better at night!
id say with any german car, you.d need patience of a saint. My Mercedes AMG is THE most difficult car in my fleet to work on and my patience can get tested with it.
Great episode! Am thankful you've hit TV big-time, as well. Enjoyed your work, Johnny! Thankfully I never did that on my M62's I buy them used so other people already had it done. Cooling system, as well. Damn fine cars, I get them all for less than $4000 US, and never need any repair.
Did this job on my old Jaguar XJ8. I am not a mechanic and it took me a couple of days and I had to buy some special tools. Glad I managed to get the crank pulley off without breaking anything, and no oxy acetylene needed. First start is a bit nerve wracking, but it's very satisfying when it starts and runs. Another problem the Jag shares with older BMWs is the nickasil cylinder liners. Fortunately mine seem OK at 80k miles. I wish I didn't have a sealed for life transmission, another way of reducing service costs. I hope it lasts over 100k miles.
0:15 dude if youve EVER worked on cars, you know that feeling exactly this is one of my fav hoovie videos though -- lot of quality car disassembling and talk about whats going on
I'm not judging this repair, but my E39 540i with same engine had the same job done and labor cost were 1200€ in Finland, labor was like 70€/h. Parts were like 1000€ with crank timing sprocket and that alone was 300€. And i also did altenator replacement mysefl and new furbished Bosch was 330€, so 1000$ at altenator in US seems quite overpriced. One thing hurt my soul, was seeing the car ninja prying with two long bars againts aluminium block, that's seems to me a big no-no. Why not use pulley extractor tools rightaway?
cuz bmws during his car's period were absolute garbage. terrible cars as they chose to make mass production a higher priority than quality. plus bmw, mb, and Audi all price gouged in America.
you're right a bosch re-manufactured alternator can be bought on amazon for like $350 for that car. Mechanics in europe seem to make much less than EURO mechanics in the US. It's not so much the labor rate which is similar it is the parts mark up! i don't know if its because of the suppliers the mechanics use who inflate the prices and then the mechanic is making a margin on top of that. I get that they have someone carrying that inventory but it does always seem like it's a bit much.
Of course it is expensive job and crap engine if mechanic just wastes time on it. He breaks 3 tools and then uses impact gun what works right away. Same story with pully - 1h wasted with flame and prybar and then he uses puller...
Lol wizard says hell nah to broken bmw plastic junk. I actually enjoy how poorly these engines (along w the inline 6s from early 2000s) were designed. If it wasn’t for those garbage engineers, I would know literally nothing about cars.
@@EM-cc6gi Thank EU for that. If it wasn't for the EU mandating all cars must be recyclable, BMW and others wouldn't be putting in so much plastic garbage in their cars!
@@donkgated8074 Are you sure about that? Metal is also quite recyclable. I suspect it has a lot more to do with cheaping out on materials than it does with EU regulations.
I have a 330,000km 07 530, I've owned and worked on nearly every brand out there, BMW is way better then internet speak makes them out to be, beautiful design, really nice materials, amazing corrosion resistance (plastic and aluminum don't rust) the V8 timing guides were not great, should have been better but how many cars can't handle long oil change intervals? many. Nice to see the mechanic doing the exact same stuff I do, breaking tools, torch, impossible bolts, nice!
Had two of them my last 740il I had for over 10 years and never had a problem till I Totaled it in a monsoon rain storm and by the way I didn’t have a crash on me the safest car I ever had. I loved that car👍🏻
I'm sure they have an arrangement. Maybe a revenue share on the video. Also, it's free advertisement for his shop. Hoovie doesn't seem like a guy who screws his friends.
I saw a sign in a workshop once. Labor: 1 hour $50. If you want to watch $60. If you want to watch and talk $70. If you want to watch talk and help : $80.
Having worked on tractors and heavy equipment and experienced the ease of maintenance and repairs, I really think automotive engineers should be forced to work on the motors and transmissions they create.
German engineers: veee shall make zii alternator vatercooled for extreme reliability and performance! Ya! Also german engineers: yaaa just use zi tupperware for zii timing chain guards.
@@StephanPluemer so a group that has no place making mechanical decisions has stepped in to do just that...I worked in an industry where the opposite happened, the engineers were made management, HR and all other positions up to CEO. The end result was similarly not good. People need to know their strengths and weaknesses and go with those.
@@daszieher that's what Scotty Kilmer says. One of my friends bought a used BMW with a V8, active suspension, all wheel drive, etc. It's been in the shop more than it's been on the road, and he still has payments on it! 🤣 He isn't aware of all of the problems they have, so he's going to realize in time it's an endless money pit. I don't know why anyone buys these things anymore.
So true... E90 325xi had to rebuild complete engine 6 months after warranty due to cam bearings fail and remains destroying the alusil bores. Never again!
Hoovie, love the channel. It’s great to see cars get their due. I’ve got a 2016 535xi. Love the drive. Any ideas on what to watch out for. Glad it doesn’t have the V8! :)
I just had this job completed on my '03 X5 with this same engine. This work, plus replacing the valley seal and a bunch of hoses was...$5K. I think I got a little bit of a deal because the shop was really doing there best to get work in the early days of the pandemic and shut-down that came with it.
I love how The Wizard and The Car Ninja are cool with their prices and estimates being discussed on youtube. Makes them seem like very honest people to me.
The auto repair industry uses standard "book times" for consistency shop to shop. The variables are parts prices and labor rate. A good tech will get a job done under book hours and make a better wage.
Guy definitely knows BMW for sure I had a 99 323i a 2001 a 530 with the m sport pack too I have a 2005 325 xDrive and I just had to part with a 2008 535i twin turbo that just had way too many issues even at 95,000 miles so I'm going to the BMW dealership tomorrow for my valve cover gasket for a 2005 325 extra just did everything underneath the sun in it oil pan gasket oil filter housing gasket new radiator thermostat water pump $3,000 oil pan gaskets PCV valve system that's all in the 2005 325 xDrive so I definitely know BMWs this guy is amazing if I had a BMW like that I would take it to him too love you guys you guys are amazing thanks for the channel you're so cool man appreciate you guys
Even if I had all of Johnny's experience, I would of flipped out, broke the camera's and told Hoovie to leave and never come back. Johnny is 10x the man I am
I'm so glad that I've got the option to just drop in an engine that's already been rebuilt (that and the fact that Vauxhall decided to go with timing belts ).
I love this sort of more in depth content. Rather than some 10 minute review with some guy just yelling about reliability issues and other vague crap. I like this much more when a dive-in gets done to find the exact problem.
My wife's 85 Corolla GTS; 16 valve motor, manual trans, fun to drive. No matter what you had to get at under the hood, you had to remove something else in the way first.
Well: I had that notion many times! Specially while working on my own cars. I started hating my Mercedes 123: Even my father, who was a quiet guy and helped me working on the car told me that I should blow this piece of crap up. Once I was so mad with a beautiful Fiat sports car that I loved but that was broken non stop. The hood fell and nearly cut my finger in half. I was about to grab a hammer and beat the car to pieces. That very moment a friend showed up and asked me if I was willing to sell the car to a coworker of his. I told him to take the car right away! Hardly two years later I saw it on in a junkyard! But believe me: Of the masses of cars I owned this is one of of those I miss the most! And today it would be a rare and hard to find classic.
I will always be a fan of the rubber timing belt on an overhead cam engine. I've seen belts outlast timing chain components on many occasions. The problem is not limited to BMW by a long shot.
Definitely kudos to Johnny for the work he does. But I can't help to wonder if it would have been better to drop the whole engine+subframe, or if it would have been possible to remove the core support to get direct access to the front of the motor?
The Citroen SM inline 6 engine was made from two Maserati inline 4 engines with one cylinder cut off. They were then placed head to head with the timing chain in the middle. Its tensioner was much like the BMW’s in that it too failed. It was made of felt. The felt became like cotton balls that then plugged up the oil canals. So there was ample examples for BMW to learn from.
I gonna tell You: This V-Guide plastics broke apart at our 735 (1999) and the funny thing is: if these parts break, the engine won't die or blow up on the spot. the front covers for the timing chain are made in a way, that the chain can't jump from the cogs. the will however rub against the aluminium of those covers and produce a nervewrecking sound, so You will quickly stop and get the car to a garage xD. We repaired the whole damn thing in our garage and it wasn't fun. But I still accept those parts to be worn out after 20+ years and who-knows-if-ever maintenance.
Like many things, the germans are being taken over by millennial engineers who think they know more than they do and are so clever. This is what happens when mediocrity becomes the norm. Even Toyota and Honda are suffering from it. The new kids, Hyundai and Kia are kicking ass. 5 and 7 year bumper to bumper warranties.....where ford can't build an engine that lasts the warranty period.
@@mechanoid5739 Yup, and the application of 5¢ worth of some high-temp grease during OEM assembly would have prevented it. But No. Hopefully this was done when it was reassembled. And I would've used that last puller right from the get-go instead of torquing on the entire shaft & engine like that with pry bars and applying such intense, uneven lateral force . :/ And I'm sure that that much heat didn't do the front seal any favors.
@@muskokamike127 that was a 2000 year BMW 740i. Millennials are people born between 1980 to 1996. By that logic BMW employed at best 14 to 24 year old engineers at the time of making the M62 range of engines (made from 1995 to 2005). Don't blame the failures of your generation on the one that came after yours.
Kia's are surprising easy to work on, The issue comes that their owners are far less apt (stupid) to drop thousands on old ones that should of been junked years ago.
The perfect variant is the 750i. Had one years ago. But keep in mind, when your are planning to buy an E38, you will need the same amount of money for fixing its "typical issues". After a while you will get used to the Gong sound and that its always costing a hundred bucks ;-) But a 750i E38 in collectors condition - like mine was - is and will ever be on of the best luxory sedans.
Honestly, now many times have you heard someone go, its got a timing chain so I'm good. I'm sure not every manufacture made their timing guides out of chocolate, but still.
BMWs may be harder to work on, but timing chain guide issues are incredibly common even in "reliable" cars. The famous Ford modular V8s eat them, for instance. I took the guides out of my Mustang and they were 400% worse than Hoovie's, not to mention the shards had filled up the oil pickup. Had a Caravan with a Mitsibishi engine that did the same thing.
I bought an 02 540i because Tyler said this was the golden age…I haven’t driven it but I’m falling in love with it! I got a great deal but I have a few things to figure out…hopefully it pays off!
OK, so what was that impact gun? I need to get one of those. I have not broken any breaker bars getting crank pulley bolts out, but did bend the hell out of a Mercedes crank pulley holding tool.
As a mechanic from Germany I can tell you that dropping the engine with subframe and suspension as a whole and wheeling the whole thing over to a work bench is completely normal overhaul at most BMW dealers. Especially 7series.
Mr. German Mechanic- I was wondering, as far as dealership technicians are concerned, how are the pay rates/ classifications? Aren’t al of you salaried techs?
Johnny is a treasure and as such he must be cherished. I especially like how much he's gotten used to you and filming, he's more animated and vocal. I aspire to be as patient and cool as him
The breaker bar breaking reminds me of my w211 very solid. Broke about 5 different wheel spanner’s from 5 different mechanics the last guy had to use an oxyacetylene flame to heat the nuts and get the tyres out. . Very solid German vehicles
I find if you use a pipe with a bit of give in it, it tends to work better, you just keep applying pressure as the pipe bends, then you get to a point and the bolt lets go without snapping tools.
When I was younger I had such a hard on for German technology, I thought they were the best and so cool. Now that I am an old curmudgeon, just give me a simple Toyota.
You are not wrong - there are some German cars that are bulletproof - off the top of my head - older mercs (W123, W124), VW group cars with the robust 1.9 TDI engine
@@Captain_Brown_Beard Thats right. The M60 has a better construction than M62 on V8s after 1995. Hoovie should have bought a E38 750 with a V12 they are bullet proof.
Japan, Korea (South Korea, obviously), Sweden. For the most part, those are the 3 countries you want to get a car from if you want it to actually work.
I had a M60 BMW V8 which was fine when I sold it just shy of 200k miles. This was the infamous Nikasil era but I must have been lucky in the quality of fuel in Southern UK as I had no trouble at all. Then when they updated the engine to M62 they reverted to an Al block but only a single row timing chain with the chain guide issues you mention here. And then they added Vanos and it just kept going downhill...
This is exactly why I proudly drive a 2013 Honda Civic with only 73 K miles. I change all fluids regularly and am expecting to get at least 300 K miles of trouble free driving. I hate expensive repairs. My big ticket items are wiper blades.
I own an E30 BMW with 350k miles and she runs like a top. Everything works. Inline 6 model BMWs from the early 2000s and older, are extremely dependable.
@Chuck Hibbett I think he hates these two, but he makes a sacrifice for free advertising, with this channel alone he is exposing his workshop to more than 1 million people.
Back in the 99 i had a Ford Fairlane 1990 model . While driving my guides exploded resulting in total engine fail . The chain popped out the side of the timing cover to say hello . Wasn't happy to see him . Also i lubricated the road with sump of oil .
“BMW engines are JUNK!” Correction: “BMW V8’s are junk” I want to see Hoovie buy a Bimmer with a straight 6 in the same condition physically as this 7 series.
This video beautifully shows all the reasons why I would never entrust my car to any service in my life. One would say that they are just taking it apart for the scrap yard, than having a plan for it to ever work again.
According to "Timm's BMW Repairs and Information" youtube site, BMW M62 engines can last for hundreds of thousands of miles without the timing chain or guides needing replacement if you simply replace the t.chain tensioner about every 100,000 miles AND you change oil regularly at say 1 year or 6,000 mile intervals using a top quality SYNTHETIC motor oil of the correct viscosity. What happens is the tensioner in the course of time, doesn't fully extend and keep the chain fully tight and this allows the chain to whip about and destroy the plastic lining of the guide. He makes the point that these BMW engines see less and less maintenance as the cars change hands down the line and become cheaper and cheaper to buy by people who are not prepared to perform the required maintenance (or who want to skimp on servicing) either because the car was relatively inexpensive in the first place or the owners don't have the money or whatever. If the servicing were consistently performed 'by the book' as it's supposed to be when the car is new, you wouldn't get all those reports of BMW poor quality guide plastics or the need to change the timing chain. It seems that even if the guides have failed, the chains are still usually within spec (probably because the guides go first). If you buy these older luxury cars you need to learn to DIY on the cars if you don't have the money to have them properly serviced and repaired otherwise your'e in for a lot of pain and disappointment. See Timm's (highly recommended by me) "BMW M62 Engine Save your Timing-Chain Guides": ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ktEctXhtufs.html AND ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5vAx-XkHej8.html
Nice to see a video of a pro struggling too... sometimes I wonder if it’s just me that has those ‘that should now come out, why won’t it’ and the ‘this is unfathomably tight’ or the ‘forum and online tutorials said just unbolt and remove... 3 hours later, hammer, heat, swearing’!! 😂👍
I usually have that one issue that turns a 45 min job into 4-5 hours. I got lucky last time, all the tutorials said the hub was going to need a puller/sledge hammer/torch to get off and mine fell in my lap after I unbolted it haha.
Im in the middle of extracting a broken bolt out of my dirt bike. broke several bits, then the extractor broke in the hole... took a break and watching someone else struggle lol
There is ABSOLUTELY. NO. EXCUSE. for any of that. PERIOD! Where in the hell do they think it's gonna go??? It's bad enough that they use bargain basement quality parts but then make it damn near impossible to take apart short of using C4 or thermite! I think it's secret Nazi revenge on the rest of the world. I used to like these cars until I saw this. My 1988 560 SEL was 10 times the car this is. And just as understatedly elegant looking.
He’s too polite to tell hoovie to get out of his damn bubble. He’s got soooo much patience. I work on my own bmw and he never threw a wrench or called it a nazi wagon not even once.
This is unquestionably my new favorite Hoovies Garage video. "Hanging like a horse." "Because they're stupid." "I'm not supposed to pull on this, am I?" "That's a man who's dedicated his life to fixing BMWs." "You're really mad, aren't you?" "Disappointed" SO MANY GEMS!!
Oh man, Johnny the car ninja is my new hero. I'd have clean punched through the windscreen and set the car on fire by now but the man just pressed on through it all AND with Hoovies persistent useless presence right in his ear! Man I hope you are paying him extra for that!
Tyler, this is by far one of your best videos ever posted. I enjoyed watching Johnny work very much. This video was not only fun to watch, it was educational. Thank you and keep up the good work.
Usually main reason with timing chain guide failures with these engines is weak chain tensioner that gives the chain too much slack and scratches/breaks the plastic. Sad(or good) thing is that this part is rather easy to replace and can prevent these kind of things happening..
Lol your one of the guys that has reliability on the top of your list.. some of us want a little more in our A to B traveling... take your boring ass appliance and have a nice life
he tortures everyone who watches his videos, like" i bought a cheap rolls royce only 70 years old and already needing a set of tyres why do they don´t make noise?", he´s the new doug demuro or something like that," i bought a cheap bmw V8 from a junkyard why doesn´t he works? "more or less the same
I'm doing the timing chain guides on an X5 m62 and had to use a 3.5:1 torque multiplier to get the crank bolt off, while still using a 4 foot extension on the breaker bar.
