Ant Man 3: Quantumania - Absolute Garbage 

Seriously !

Arrogant female*

Yeah at least one movie always has to have a freakin’ kid genius. Tony Stark having an exceptional IQ, making an Iron Man suit out of resources in a cave and designing unique tech doesn’t seem so special now if the Riri kid can do it in her basement too.

@@thedarkestfateful have you read the marvel comics or are you just upset for no reason like the rest of the man children that are upset due to Disney?

​@@MikeCG19From what I've seen, it's dumb in the comics, too, so what's your point?

She talks to her father like Krusty talks to Bart when asking what Bart has done for him recently

*"so you saved quadrillions of lives, OMG dad that was like 6 months ago, what have you done for black people since that?"* Did you hear about the nazi hunter in Europe who complained about losing his country to migrants, only to be labelled a nazi by social media....

Its fucking ant man.

Scott: … you ungrateful little shit

Yeah you just saved the whole universe and trillions of lives of worlds untold distances away from earth besides our WHOLE planet...no big deal though because you didn't harass some cops like me

She was wildly unlikable in the new movie. Was this the filmmaker’s goal, or do the filmmakers not understand how to make likeable characters anymore!?

Cassie is insufferable, but that's not what really got to me. It's that the entire goddamned universe distorts to allow for it. Hank used to be incredibly (and justifiably) paranoid about the shrink tech getting out, but he blithely hands Cassie a suit and enough Pym particles to steal a cop car, because girl power. Cassie can take out multiple doom troopers with no training or experience, because girl power. Scott doesn't want Cassie to become a criminal like he was, because he knows where that path ends, but everyone tells him Cassie is right and he is wrong and the answer to this problem is for him to shut the fuck up, because consequences don't exist when you've got girl power. Scott is humble and easygoing and just wants a simple life with his family, but he's presented as narcissistic, cowardly, and an absent father, because no man can be good in the world of girl power. Hank had decades to invent the quantum telescope with all his knowledge, but Cassie knocks it out in a couple weeks with no formal study, because girl power. And on, and on, and on.

I could work with she is an annoying teen, I am sure we all had our less than graceful teen moments, if the film would have focused on her and Scott working on issues. Maybe Scott not quite sure how to take Cassie after missing so much of her life and Cassie feeling I don't know annoyance because Scott is having trouble reconciling her now and her when she was a kid and how she would have changed to some degree. Throw in that she wants to a hero like Scott and the Pyms but Scott not wanting it. You can have some villian thrown in but the conflict is small scale and local and the important bit is the family conflict. Hell there could be a parallel story going with Janet and her family. I am not claiming it is a great premise but people who supposedly are creative could probably do something with the story even if it wouldn't be original.

@@jacquelineking5783 The estranged parent who wants back into a child's life is a valid trope that often gets used to great effect. Too bad the "writer" is a self-hating man who doesn't understand anything about people and was literally writing the script as the movie was being made.

There are many good scenes in the disaster-piece that is Endgame; one of them is the scene where Scott Lang, after realizing what has happened, searches the monuments of the Blip victims to check to see if Cassie is among them, is relieved she is not, and then goes and finds her. Their reunion is a small, but really well crafted little story in the overall plot, and it's mind-boggling that they managed to botch that so hard, so fast after that movie ended. Dude literally spent his whole life doing everything he could to provide for his family. Turned to a life of crime when times got tough. Still went out of his way to see his daughter, provide for her, and take care of her every opportunity she got, even when her mom started seeing another guy. Dude literally saved the world, became independently wealthy enough that he could effectively retire. Now he spends basically all of his time with his family, except for when he goes on book tours to give inspiring speeches to young, impressionable audiences, telling them that anyone can be a hero and there's always "more room to grow". Scott Lang is the nicest, most wholesome dude in this whole universe, and the vicious, undeserved attacks on his character throughout the movie, especially its first act, are one of the most frustrating things I've ever experienced within a narrative.

"Don't forget to put her in that rebellious stage that every teenager goes through" as a teenager myself, the line i just stated pisses me the hell off.

@@BloxitectYTi also happen to not go through that much of a rebellious stage

⁠@@karlcole5617Same for me it was more of a depressed stage

@@Rar830same lol

RIP Orville (post season 1)

You're mistaking the quantum realm with quantum physics. Totally unrelated; these bozos think 'quantum' means small when it means 'comes exclusively in whole numbers.' That is, you can have 1, 2, or 42 photons, but it isn't possible to have 3.5 photons.

​@@boobah5643 marvel on their way to not look up word definitions

@@6-dpegasus425 Marvel don’t misuse words challenge (impossible)!!!1!

@@boobah5643He’s not making any mistake. Everything is subatomic. That means quantum mechanics apply. It also means no one can see or breathe.

@@boobah5643 quantum physics applies to subatomic particles in the quantum realm

Which is nonsensical because choosing a side is considered being a dick to someone. "Not being a dick is impossible." You either going to help someone or no one which leads to either one side or all sides think you're a prick for helping the enemy or not helping at all.

​@@daviouscram2101I think you're reading too much into it. The guy was helping a guy that kills entire universes. I think it's pretty clear who the dick is lol

@@boogie8618 Think you're not reading enough in it. Morality isn't innate, it's learned. For all he or we could know was those entire realities could be filled with a bunch of evil people. ( which considering how laws of the bullshitverse work is entirely possible.) My claim was that the issue with "Don't be a dick" is that it isn't telling you to be a moral individual. It's just saying don't be a threat to me/ an obstacle in my way. For example God is being a dick from Satan's perspective by not allowing him to kill everyone.

@@daviouscram2101 Yeah but he was trying to kill them. They weren't trying to kill anybody. It's clear who the dick in this is. So it's not nonsensical. Your just reading to much into it lol

@@daviouscram2101 Also being a dick isn't the same as being a threat or an obstacle. Ant family might if been a threat/obstacle to Kang's genocidal plans but they weren't being dicks. What a dickish thing to try to save universes from extermination lol

It's because Hollywood loves overusing the "angsty/edgy teenager who hates their parent(s) because puberty" trope, that's why Cassie changed so much.

​@@melissa6912 they were all messed up growing up so no wonder why they seemingly can't phantom a normal child-father relationship.

the new actress better fits esg-aligned agenda of disney marvel: toxic, unbearable, unnecessarily confrontational, pretentious, STAGGERINGLY entitled, self centered and egoistucal

Good point!

Well, unlike Janet, Banner always hold himself accountable. That's why he is a hero while Janet (at least in the MCU) is not.

Holy fuck, can you imagine the reason Thanos won was because Banner was so traumatised that the Hulk lost to him, Banner refused to talk about it?

I mean is it? Didn't she think he was pretty much trapped there? As far as she knew it was impossible to ever leave

@@LifesASong00 Even with that in mind she didn't tell anyone anything about the threat Kang posed or why she disliked talking about the Quantum Realm. Remember that it has been years since Ant-Man & The Wasp and yet she kept deflecting any conversation about the Quantum Realm. She does that knowing her family has had previous interest and experience in its study. She has no reason to keep her knowledge of Kang to herself. She would need to be delusional or just plain stupid to not tell them. And, he's not "trapped" in the Quantum Realm, the Quantum Realm is trapped with him. She knowingly ignored that he would threaten the Quantum Realm for years. So not only is she made to be an idiot in this movie, she doesn't even have the moral fiber to want to help people who were helping her for 30+ years. They were a complete afterthought to her.

That would imply she's actually funny

@@p.h.bridegroom4142 gg

When Cassie is in that car, that is one smug look she gives in that scene lol. Also, if she is going to make a comment on protesters, she needs to atleast consider the counter points, Kyle Rittenhouse and the summer of love is a good example.

Every Marvel film should have a spunky female character call Cap a virgin from now on

​@David Daniel Marvel would point towards Rittenhouse but they will vehemently deny any wrongdoings from blm and Antifa

Thank you! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 So glad I'm not the only one who saw the problem with this.

@@indiajohnson it’s even worse than he’s describing. Imagine losing 3.5 BILLION(approximately) people all at once, all at random. BILLION btw. We’re talking from all over the world, government officials, plane pilots, car drivers, presidents, anyone. Half the population gone. It would be Mad Max x100000000000000. And let’s say by miracle, we somehow fix that in 5 years(we realistically wouldn’t even get close to fixing it in 100, even with the Avengers). Then those 3.5 billion people get brought back. It’s Mad Max all over again. The 2 snaps would be the end of human civilization as we know it, and no I don’t believe I’m going overboard when I say that. Endgame is a mess beyond all possible belief.

And even with that, pepper should still be pregnant with her, he can just be a good dad again and not fuck the entire world up

Tbf, Tony didn't have any idea of there being any technology that could be used to travel through time. It's only when Scott escaped the macguffin realm that he didn't want to do it, and even that only lasted a short while.

She probably couldn’t pull of the GIRL BOSS type. Crying and loving and caring and stuff.

​@@Usernamehearthis is true. Look at every character the new actress has played, she's always some Antifa, wannabe Commie revolutionist type.

Well, teen age girls only need *plot* - so there. What’s really happening in MCU’s increasingly fked up landscape is agenda to create Young Avengers. But they don’t have distinct characters - so the same sassy girl who is a genius who has powers, keeps turning up in every film as the McGuffin no one wanted. Even Wakanda Forever which is the *best* of these after phase 3 films - suffered from this with the Riri character.

@@summertyme5748 A.)I didn't think Wakanda forever was the best by far B.)God her character was JUST AWFUL...shes my second least favorite character just because the whole thing was so contrived and silly... just all the negative words...and the girl couldn't act either...She Hulk was my least favorite for obvious reasons but Tatiana can at least act unlike the girl who played RiRi...so many kid geniuses now,that are so prolific they don't even need a lab or schooling of any sort ..theyre building perfect machines in their garage with radio shack parts with barely any formal education...just dumb AF

@@ChrisSmith-tu9bu Ramonda, Shuri and Namor were excellent. But you’re right about RiRi , she is potential disaster at the She Hulk level.

@@summertyme5748 Ramonda was awesome and the actress should have won the Oscar...Namor was ridiculous but that dude was an excellent actor, Shuri was okay but that actress doesn't have enough charisma or weight to carry a movie as a main character and had Ramonda had most of the lines the movie might have been better...but Namors plans and lines were pretty dumb..lemme attack you so you join my side? Huh? But yeah Leticia Wright was fine...the whole thing felt like a Disney plus show which isn't great considering the Disney plus shows feel like scripts that didn't warrant a movie and yeah maybe just the whole RiRi fetch quest took me out of the movie because it was like watching a commercial for a bad Disney plus show crammed into a really serious Chadwick Boseman memorial

@@summertyme5748 Yeah they're trying to Speedrun to the young avengers in the old avengers movies and TV shows like Ant-Man, Black Panther etc without ever or even trying to develop their characters so if they released a young avengers story now nobody would care because some of these characters have never been really fleshed out and even the ones who have were in bad movies or shows or where the parts of those projects that people didn't like. The actress who played RiRi did a bad job but maybe if they had just waited and introduced her in her own show without cramming her into a black panther story she might have been great who knows. Especially with better dialogue and story. I mean Natasha's sister, Elana, Florence Pugh was EXCELLENT but the Black Widow movie was so bad and forgettable that I don't care if I ever see her again in Marvel, honestly

can't wait for the next interview of the next mcu movie "we touched grass. Like actual grass!"

No. This dumpster fire isn't worthy of my respect

F

​@@masterkent1 lmao "we got to touch water" 😂😂😂

i miss it when actual movie sets where used. like seriously, the bar scene in woke widow was 100% cgi, they where too lazy to drive down to a local bar and film there.

Geez, you're like, asking them to keep track of things! Several things! How is that even possible?

That's easy, she didn't have a huge problem with it because it wasn't her or her loved ones going it was just Scott who wasn't very significant to her yet, and although she was grateful for his help in letting her out, she still didn't know him that well. And they were using the quantum realm for the expressed purpose of helping save a person's life, not just exploring willy nilly. Furthermore, when Hank and Scott ask about why they didn't see the worlds when they went in, Janet says its because they didn't go deep enough, the layer they went to for the quantum particles in Ant-Man 2 wasn't the same as this movie. Also hindsight, slight spoiler ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::but Ava is brought up again in Secret Invasion

@@heem8232Wipe your chin bro you still got some cum on it

@@Trollificusv2they couldn’t remember a sequel of their own trilogy? They have terrible memory.

Well hey ghost has been mentioned again in secret invasion, and apparently she was present at the battle in endgame (somehow) although this is only conveyed by her powers being gained through her dna which was at the battle in endgame for some reason

I think she was genuinely thrown off by the question. “What was it like to film there?” You… you do realise they didn’t actually film this in the quantum realm, right?

@@TheLittlePlatoon yeah that….. that’s a weird question

@@TheLittlePlatoon Odd question, but do you dislike socialism? You went on a tangent with the socialist ants joke

@@aerindinescarro47 I actually thought the fact they made the ants socialist was itself a needless tangent and therefore quite suspicious. But yea, I dislike socialism - I used to be a socialist.

@@TheLittlePlatoon Ah I see, is that because of history, or because of understanding the system more specifically? A lot of people conflate socialism and communism with Stalin, Marx, Putin l, etc. which tbf is like comparing capitalism to Rockefeller, so I was just wondering Also I haven’t seen your video on MoM, but did you have a similar comment to America C. talking about how most food is free in other universes? That stuck out to me

Or made any other of the myriads of mistakes she made. Also I don’t wanna take any responsibility. MaySu gotta be poifect.

Hank: "Eventually, believing you were dead, I went on a few dinner dates, but not a single one worked out because they weren't you, baby." Janet: "I was horny lol."

Facts like if he believed she was alive and she did the same she's cheated and if what he said is true about cheating then their both cucks

For my wants. She did it for her wants. She didn’t need it

I can’t help Believe there is a slight message in there that soy boys should stay home and pine, but women can go out and get it done. I am so sick of this.

I legitimately thought/think that WAS what happened. Even hank has some line about "its fine i banged a few too" or some shit.

Or you could have gone dark, and Janet actually joined Kang on his rampage of the quantumverse to get the materials needed to rebuild the core. She would do anything to get back home, but then Kang shared his evil plan with her (no spaceship telepathy needed). Then it gives a reason for her not to tell her family, she's actually a flawed person. I can't wait for AI writers cause we've gotten terrible scripts for everything past endgame.

​@@robertdascoli949 that actually makes fucking sense. In the movie we are never told of the bad things she did, we aren't even shown her effect on the people of the quantum realm. Like the tribe lady that knows her, yet never crossed her in the whole goddamn movie. It could have been a much better excuse for her not saying anything, feeling guilty about her old deeds in her past life. Only wanting her old and peacfull (in comparision) life.

Thank god you're not one of the writers because this is somehow worse and more bland and cliche

@@robertdascoli949 And while people bitched about Endgame too, the fact is that by comparison to recent MCU crap, Infinity War/Endgame was a massive achievement on several levels, remarkable script consistency being one of them.,

Also his daughter doesn't respect him or the sacrifices he's made. He literally saved the world in the biggest war they've ever faced to date and she's still telling him that he needs to do more? He doesn't deserve to retire and enjoy the peace he fought for? It was one of the first scenes where they introduced her. How is she supposed to be morally correct. Also she used a suit against the police. Military grade weaponry or above military grade if Avengers grade is a thing against blue collar workers just doing their job. Like they weren't in the right but overkill much? This rich white provided daughter of a military hero who regularly gets bailed out of jail without consequence because of her rich famous family is the moral authority here? A young avenger? I was turned off from her immediately. How could I like a character like that? She's literally just a brat and if she wasn't treated so correct and she was actually learned to tone down the cockiness she could've been cool. Ant man should've died or been left in the realm. Stupid that he wasn't. She learned nothing.

So… Interstellar, but worse.

that was the first 2 movies. he was sad he missed being with his daughter in prison.

@@PeterParker-ff7ub And the tragedy repeats, but this time argueably worse. Some repetition's not bad if it forwards the plot and you can even make those kinds of connections. Her being a c*nt doesn't help the plot.

@@yukikanegawa7470 it's like they took Ellie from the second Last of Us game and named her Cassie. even though Ellie had some justifiable reason to be mad at Joel for dooming everyone else.

Which is why if they ever announce a Haley White spinoff it's safe to assume the worst. She'll probably operate under the alter ego Sanger

That trope is actually projection from the writers lol

Frankly it reflects off the parents relationship with them if their teen kid has a spiteful behavior towards them in the first place. I get they would act this way if the parent was overbearing, neglectful or too strict but Scott has never been none of those things even when he was doing time in the slammer so she has no valid reason to treat her dad cruelly when he's always been the best to her.

Twitter/tiktok "folks" like Cassie never will get any emotional maturity because social media conditioned them this way. Dopamine overcharge made them eternal, unbearable, entitled children

Here is a fascinating thing, how a certain type of person clearly rages on the left, but indulges in their tactics of shadowbanning. You Sir are an absolute shower and a cad.

This! This is what they're lacking off right now. No character building whatsoever, and their interaction between other heroes isn't as entertaining/world building as it was. It's just exposition dumping or terrible one-liner.

too real man

Lmao! I remember when I lead the New York Knicks winning 5 NBA Championships in a row because I’ve watched and studied Basketball. I also grew to 6’8 overnight and won the Slam Dunk Contest!

@@jayw3512 led

Imagine all those 13 year old kids IRL gaining super psychic powers simply because they tried to. Would be a good comparison.

Funny, I did something similar. I was just an intern at NASA, and then within 5 years I was leading the deep space exploration programs building and launching the Voyager. All I had to do was someone else’s notes that were left in the meeting room I was cleaning. Silly scientists didn’t read.

I see everyone here is taking credit for Jennifer Lawrence's achievements again...

"Daaaad, you're supposed to help the homeless, not raise me!"

Yeah and it's not like he wasn't doing anything. He was inspiring the next generation to look out for each other. That's important too but I guess his daughter doesn't care about that

The part where he mentions that it was because of him that Thanos was beaten, which is true, and they all more or less say "That was then, this is now". Three of these people would still be dead and the other one would be on her own, thinking her dad died with everyone else. Scott gets more respect from strangers than his own family.

Give the writing credit to Edgar Wright. He was the original director, but got kicked out due to differences with creatives, but he got writing credits for the film. I really wish he got ant man as his character

I will protect Ant-Man 1 with my life. I understand people who like Ant-Man 2. I can't quite get over how thoughtless the MCU has become after watching pirated Ant-Man 3.

the 1st movie is infinitely better, ot shows how difficult it's for people with criminal society be accepted resulting in them easily going back to the crime life, humanizes criminals, even if you have already commited mistakes you can still do something greater, and that family can value to you more than your own life while this one had "don't be a dick"

That’s because Edgar Wright understood the character and Jeff Loveness is clueless when it comes to Antman and / or comic character in general. Same with She-Hulk writers - they knew nothing about the comics. Should it always match comics? Of course not. But, there’s years of plots and dialogue to take from it.

​@@silverprimus321boi9 Also they used a lot of Edgar's people in that first one his longtime DP Russell Carpenter shot the first one and they went off his original script and there was a lot of notes/ideas from Wright they used in the first one that's why it's so good. The more control Peyton Reed got as they went along the worst they got. I'd argue Jon Watts and Reed are probably the least talented directors Marvel has worked with. Tho I'd put Cate Shortland and Boden/Fleck on that list as well.

And more even than that, this film disregards the laws applied to that realm in previous entries (eg Janet saying you have two hours to save me or you’ll miss me by 200 years).

@@TheLittlePlatoon true, but come on man, being coherent is haaaaaard XD

It would've been fine if it at least made sense and was actually unique but when you really think about it, we have one in the universe (considering Nebula never mentioned any other possible source) particle discovered and harnessed by Hank Pym capable of shrinking people and objects to that size and when you actually visit the Quantum realm, it's just full of humanoids and humans and looks like a funky vacation destination instead of what was previously described as an incredibly hostile realm and considered a certain death in the beginning And somehow the ants that came with the main "heroes" became GIGANTIC while going through the same succ as the main heroes at the same time Just, whatever, man... Throw some literal crap on the wall, see what sticks, what trickles down to the floor, and consider the dots and the lines it makes the written script

I actually had this same thought a few weeks back. When you are subatomicly smaller than the air you breathe, then how can you possibly survive in a quantum space?

These people don’t have any imagination…

Yeah, think about how Tony fixed the icing problem. The first moment he tried to hover, he yeeted himself into the ceiling.

Wasn’t destroying entire timelines pretty much the sole focus of the TVA? Detect moments where the timeline diverges, recruit/brainwash useful individuals from that moment, obliterate the diverging timeline, and stack on layers of bureaucracy to make it suitably confusing. All of that an effort to prevent other variants of Kang from coming to exist in the first place. That was the perpetuated victory of the variant of Kang who ruled it. A variant of Kang who had conquered all, and had nothing left to conquer. He created a system to ensure that nothing he hasn’t conquered would ever come to exist. At least, that’s what I think it was.

he who remains ≠ kang

Bale was definitely wasted. I thought Redford’s role fitted the homage Winter Soldier was going for. Mikkelson as an actor deserves a recurring role, but his character didn’t.

@@TheLittlePlatoon I'll admit Redford was really only included because I wanted a third example.

​@@compusmart6168 Julie Louis Dreyfus?

@Compu Smart I would add Patrick Stewart. They might also waste Charlize Tneron, if we look at the quality of the current movies

Bill Murray was in Charlie's Angels...and starred in Garfield.

It was bugging me that Platoon kept referring to Cassie as Scott and Hope's kid. I mean, she functionally is in the plot she is, in fact, not.

And if I remember correctly, isn't her step dad a police officer or something ?

They also didn’t include her moms boyfriend who expressed both an amiable opinion of Scott following the first movie but also a clear and evident paternal affection for Cassie. I guess when they asked Bobby Carnavale if he wanted to come back for Phase 5, he was like, “Nah I got more self-respect than that.”

I’d completely forgotten about that, which probably shows how little regard the film payed its own principal cast.

She is definitely brought up did you even pay attention to the film? She's brought up multiple times and cassie says something along the lines of "don't act like you care" or some shit.

This is a pretty fantastic idea, damn shame this didn't happen

Too bad that even Tommy Wiseau is more subtle than Majors. Terrible performance.

Well, imo, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 is worth it. But everything else yeah meh.

Did you enjoy shang chi?

​@@indiajohnsonI found it just mediocre. Gamora was so damn annoying, yelling bitch in it, like Nebula in GotG1 and that ending dance scene ruined the whole movie for me. Thsnks Shrek for ruining movie endings with fuckin dancing.

Me too. I wasn't team Thanos, but now I see his reasons.... and I can't believe twitter/tik tok made me agree with him😂. If half the twitter/tik tok activists were snapped out of existence just for being more annoying to Thanos than normal folks, humanity would have a better chance.😂 Joke aside, it would make Kang more threatening. I'd wait he'd say a line along the idea that he was observing: Thanos tried and failed, but he'd not committ the same mistakes. He could try to execute the plan of Endgame Thanos and wiped it all.

@@Willowy13 Says the christian cryptofascist 💀

@@Willowy13 I think if Thanos came to our universe, and showed him tiktok, he would just wipe anyone who made an account on there

Right lol.

well, I mean, was anything she said wrong (I don't fully remember, so correct me if I'm wrong pls)? while I get having an annoying character talk down to a, beloved preestablished character (is Antman even loved?) is extremely frustrating, cough cough she hulk. wasn't she right about kang and how the blipped people were and are being screwed over? to her the fight has only begun, the avengers saved the world sure, but they are also abandoning it, and not helping with the aftermath of the snap, and that is going to come off as dickish to other character who haven't heard or seen their story as we the audience have. just because someone solves a big problem doesn't mean that all the problems have been solved. just because you get rid of termites in your house, doesn't mean you can just move on and expect everything to work out, because the foundation is bound to crumble without any intervention.

Indeed. Perfection is fundamentally uninteresting. Give me flaws.

I think you're wrong; Tony Stark being arrogant and full of himself _is_ why people liked him. It's just that everybody involved recognized that those are character _flaws._ The whole point was that he _isn't_ quite as good as he thinks himself, and that arrogance and pride made his life (and that of others) more difficult than they had to be.

@@boobah5643 I agree, sometimes I think others say other things to like pretend they didn’t like the arrogance, who knows, it’s sheeple stuff. Personally I think these other characters aren’t even fleshed out well in the comics & that’s another angle, the comics are ridiculous. I always said it’s going to be hard for Marvel to keep going when the comics themselves are cheesy/nerdy(in a bad way) /ridiculous alot of times.

And even when he was full of himself, he had a charm none of this characters had, an air of superiority earned through being the top dog in his field for most of his life. He wasn't confident and arrogant cus he thought he was the best, but because he WAS the best, and no one denied the fact even if they didn't like him. There's so much to talk about early Tony Stark and how he develops over the films, it's insane what a fantastic job they made with him, shame the quality of the writting staff has degraded to the point they are today

@@boobah5643 He was arrogant, full of himself and VERY CHARMING (100% courtesy of Robert Downey Jr). Whenever he jokes, it lands because that's a part of his personality. And Tony wasn't a cocky funny guy for nothing. There are layers to it. Tony used jokes and snarky remarks as a coping mechanism for the chaos that happened to him his whole life. Losing his parents, getting backstabbed by Obadiah, getting bombed by his own weapon, had his heart removed and replaced with an arc reactor, losing Yinsen, fighting bad guys and aliens, PTSD, dealing with consequences of his own actions about Ultron, fighting Cap, finding out Bucky killed his parents, PTSD, Thanos and stuffs. But being an arrogant and funny guy alone won't warrant him to be a likable character. He needs to learn and grow from it as well. Just look at how he found the meaning of life when Yinsen told him not to waste it, how he kept trial and error with his suit and his many selfless acts to prove that Tony Stark has a heart. So I think it works both ways. Tony is such a lovable character because he's both funny and arrogant while also having constant character growth throughout the saga to overcome his flaws. When he grows, we grow with him.

That's an overgeneralization from someone who probably loved every second of January 6th.

​@@NoOneGetzOutAlive 'That's an overgeneralisation' *Proceeds to make an insanely out of place and complete generalisation of OP* Top Kek. Idiot

@@NoOneGetzOutAliveNo argument so you go to insults? Cute. Try again.

The writers clearly had a warped view of the current zeitgeist and thought Oh yeah let's make Cassie a fucking Twitter activist that'll get the kids into the theater! Fuck you

freaking hilarious that her name is in the title. Also why does her hair look like shit in every ant-man movie? like do the haircut stylists just hate her or something?

Scott is basically the sidekick of the movie because he is always wrong and doesn't have any "monumental" achievements So the title should just be " And Ant-Man Quantumania"

That same point on the end-credits... I think its reasonable that if the Council of Kangs didn't kill the exiled Kang, they'd be so wise as to keep an eye on him. How that works, I do not know. But lets say they HAVE been watching this exiled Kang in the Quantum Realm, how did they miss Janet falling in and then falling out and then back in with her family and how the hell do they miss the ants that evolved into type 02 civilization ants?

@@zacharyjackson1829 She said stuff in the real world that the council of real world kangs didnt like, therefor her part was apparently wrecked as much as possible.

Because Hollyweird don't like her because she didn't want to fit in their narrative. And supported the Truckers in Canada.

StUnNiNg AnD bRaVe

A woman wants what she wants. You go girl.

I’m only letting it slide on the basis that she believed she wouldn’t ever get out

@Joseph Wong. If this isn't sarcasm then I despise you

As Ma'am She-Hulk Sheself said: "A woman has needs." Or... "T'is fine s'long as I wanna."

I liked the quantum realm it was a cool setting imo that they didnt really explore in the other ant man movies

I can see her being angry that her dad hasn't done any big superhero stuff lately. That is understandable. Him being lazy on his reputation could even be a great character flaw. Then having the children of the old heroes complain about the inaction of the older generation and trying to become the next heroes is a great plot point. But have it be earned. Have the old heroes try to be parents. Helping the children but also try to slow them down to stay the cute innocent children they used to be. Family stuff. And let the inexperience of the young heroes and the decadence of the old heroes clash, let them work things out, let them work together. Work on their flaws. Become a team.

Correction: a multi-billion dollar corporation and overworked underpaid artists.

@@MitridatedCarbon true, I suppose Disney is getting what they paid for then aren't they?

"I! Am not! A DIIIICK!" Worst. Line. EVER!

Holy crap that’s a legit cgi screenshot!?! Ok I get it now. Lol

When i see that head it reminds me of George Lopez as that electric tv dude in Sharkboy and Lavagirl lmao please tell me im not the only one

The language for the "new audiences" also called Gen Z. The MCU had so many memorable dailogues: Nick telling Cap the last time he trusted someone he lost an eye (yeah... let's forget the cat), Natasha telling Alexander "Did I step up in your moment?" Nick saying you have to have both eyes open. The whole dialogue between Nick and the car computer during that chase in Winter Soldier. Thanos speech to Thor/Loki before he killed Loki. The whole speech of Sharon Carter during Peggy's funeral (which is in my Memorial for a job promotion). Thanos speech from the first Infinity War trailer. Cap speech in the Triskelion during Winter Soldier final. The "he is adopted" joke Thor said in Avengers. Clint x Wanda in Sokovia that prompted her to help. Nick arrival with the old Hellicarrier in Sokovia and Ultron x Vision final showdown. Everything during the invasion of NYC. The destruction of the mCU truly is cultural vandalism.

​@@Willowy13 shut up I'm gen Z and I hate this shit

@@Willowy13gen z isn’t a new audience though…?

@@BetelgeuseM12 Gen Z watched Avengers in theatres, in fact, watched Iron Man 1 in theatres.

Waiting for them to use "Bruh" or "L Bozo" in their future movies

This is a good summary of some of my problems too. It’s frustrating that they advertise this as some “time-traveling, multi-dimensional” adventure without actually exploring this concept. They use this multiverse concept as a crutch rather than exploring some fun scenarios can come from fucking ant-man being in this ridiculous situation they found themselves in. The movie screams being an over-the-top parody of sci-fi films with outlandish multiverses, but instead, the film uses the multiverse concept as a means to explain the completely nonsensical plot line.

Its worse. Cap doesn't kill Bucky in Winter Soldier and that causes Civil War. Tony Stark creates Ultron by accident and he's racked with guilt. He mocks Thor's existence making fun of aliens and then he has panic attacks about knowing that there are creatures out there that could chew humanity up. Its why he wants to create Ultron. Meanwhile, Janet knows there's a psychopath two walls away from our reality and she comes back home and wants to "ignore it, forget about it, I just wanted to be your mum." What?

​@@valentinegonsalves7322 didn't she even sleep with Kang?

@@skychieftain No, she slept with Bill Murray’s character

@@jessicawilliams3849 wow that's.... worse

@@skychieftain It really is. Especially since it’s just used for a joke and never brought up again. A sexual relationship with Kang would’ve added more angst to the story

Because those would all flop

Because fuck Show don't tell I guess.

Because you gotta wait for kang dynasty, other next mcu project,the writer said avengers 5 is kang's movie. But it's cheap knockoff, they're just doing some thing like infinity war is Thanos' movie...I just idc . It's gonna be garage

Writers in the MCU are no longer held to any worldbuilding standards. You get Kang's backstory in dialogue dumps because the writer isn't interested in telling that story and doesn't care how much that ruins the worldbuilding or opportunities for future stories. Audiences have proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that all the time, effort, and money devoted to maintaining a cohesive world is completely unnecessary and that just letting dollar store writers do whatever they feel like with little to no supervision can be just as, if not insanely more profitable. If somewhere down the line they get a writer who wants to do Kang's backstory, they'll just let him make up whatever he wants regardless of how contradictory it is, and the financial success or failure of that story probably won't have anything to do with how stupid the plot is.

We got all of Thanos' backstory through dialogue.

so it's his fault

And with next to no set up, either! Suddenly, ants.

​​@@TheLittlePlatoon I WAS JUST SAYING THIS THE OTHER DAY! The very least they could have given us was a scene or two of Hank picking up on some sort of strange frequency in his ear and going "What the hell was that?" and trying to explain it to his family. At least then it would have given us any sort of context to go off of. But nope. Instead they hit us with the mother of all asspulls at the very last second and the only explanation we're given is "Ants very smart, advanced technology blah blah blah".

@@Turbulentdesk3967 they did, idiot…

@@TheLittlePlatoon My guess is that one of the writers had seen the Phase IV ant movie from 1974 and thought, "Hey, hyperintelligent ants! That's it!" (And that is one trippy movie, by the way.)

Yeah they really telegraphed the ants coming back

Dude. I completely forgot about her Just goes to show that the writers literally made it impossible to recap anything important at all and welcome it into the plot

True.

@@Lastseen91 Thunderbolts will answer it. Is that a satisfying answer? No, your points are still proven right

@Citrusbird386 Haha yeah, I didn't know they were making thunderbolts. I think they're going to ruin my favorite character then, Songbird.

@@Lastseen91 From what I’ve seen, none of the real Thunderbolts are even in the movie. It’s just side characters from the last few movies led by Bucky

like wat? you mean captian marvel? becasue yeah i get it

@@petergriffin-tu6ug No, they're saying, like, instead of Iron Man, there was a movie on this level of writing

@@pontiffsulyvahn3898 qOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH i couldnt fucking tell man im so sorry it just hard to tell with it being a review and all its kinda difficult i do arge though they need that not iron man copy iron man writing

@d R im sorry man we all have our off days

Wouldn’t have been the first time.

That was back when Disney was such an amazing and competent company with no stupid agenda. I miss those days. I never realized how much Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania ripped off Tron Legacy.

I see people mock the way Clu looks, but I always thought it was intentional. He's a computer program, shouldn't he look computer generated? I know the others don't like that way, but...

If you can't convince them, confuse them. Sadly for Disney, nerds that are invested in this media will put in the time and work to sort through any amount of bs soulless corporations like Disney can shit out in the name of entertainment. A turd rolled in glitter is what Disney movies are now. Its made to look nice enough, but it stinks and isn't fit for consumption.

Yet here you are talking about another Marvel movie.

​@@jracerichards not the point of the comment genius

@@t.bo.e2487 If you say so Einstein

'Bratty entitled teenager' is an archetype for villains and future heroes. But it requires character development and, at the least, a peak behind that persona.

"Asuka Langley Soryu"... OG "tsundere"... when it's done perfectly...

@@boobah5643 While some are more tolerant than others MOST people don’t like the bratty part tbh.

@@mopnem Counterpoint: character growth. Also, some low-grade unpleasant behavior is more easily tolerated if the audience thinks the target deserves it.

They would actually serve well as a villain that you're meant to hate lol

Mr electric was rendered better then that abomination

I understand that the guy and his machine are dangerous. But I do not understand why he is dangerous. If he goes some where in time to blow stuff up. Couldn't the Avengers go there using their machine?? So why is he a threat?

How can the machine operate without electricity??

@@Flamefether it didn't look like that because of it's date. The director for some reason likes spending as little money for his movie's cgi as possible.

The Old Gregg episode of The Mighty Boosh had better CGI than this movie

And without Tony Stark's BILLIONS!😂Obadiah Stane told a lab tech that Tony built his first suit from scraps. Marvel took this as a challenge and made the females characters do the same. Only, Tony was a known genius and has billions. He also built the first suit out of the weapons his own company made while being held captive. He was bound to know about how to use them for his advantage. Therefore, he had the pieces and knowledge to turn them into an Iron Man suit.

It's absolutely baffling. Cassie has absolutely NO valid canonical reasons for having the financial means, much less the resources or knowledge overall, to get a suit outfitted with Pym Particle technology, much less have any idea how to make complementary technology. There's no prior buildup at all, which makes the whole thing appear to happen absolutely out of nowhere. At least with Tony he canonically earned a bunch of STEM degrees AND had more than enough money to make basically whatever he wanted as long as he put in enough effort. It still took him time and setbacks, obviously, but it at least made sense.

Wamen power amirite? Just sticking it to men who bust their asses off working 9 to 5s. Yeah, men just deserve to get shit on kekw. Like they've never done anything good for society :B God that's the mentality of these Twitter activists and feminists. It genuinely disgusts me to see the achievements of men throughout the millennium be downplayed and overshadowed by women. The trope of the "genius teenage girl" is so tiring and awful. I'm sick of it. Marvel and Disney are just garbage today.

She's so brilliant that she believes homelessness can be solved by gifting homes to them. Have the Left ever talked to a homeless person?

@@I-hear-voices Of course they've never talked to an actual homeless person. I highly doubt they even know what being poor is like, as most of them are doing pretty well for themselves. Especially if they can waste their entire day on Twitter doing fuck-all. Twitter activists really do think they know what's best for the world. It's really funny when you realize they're also the same people that spout "Eat the rich". Which I assume means "Anyone with money that isn't on our side of the political spectrum" Because you know they wouldn't give away their money to anyone. Well unless it benefits their image, and even then I'm sure they'd be pretty stingy about it. It's so tiring seeing these people try to preach their crap while having no clue how the world actually works. Having people like that in positions of power is a mistake. Just look at the type of shit they produce and how they can fail upwards. Just look at that trash heap Velma getting a SECOND SEASON despite its poor reception. The blatant favoritism the media shows towards the Left and enabling their absolute lunacy is making things horrible for everyone.

Michael pena is too awesome for this movie

Luis*

@@tyronegorman8949 Michael Peña*

I think the director said there was too much new stuff in the movie to add them.

Using time travel to resolve the snap was lazy and contrived.

@@anubusx i mean, yeah, I definitely agree with you there. But that doesn't negate my point.

They are the villain, and simply can't understand that. (Handsome Jack says Hi!)

True, but the important thing is, will the normie learn that important lesson about the absolute state of modern western women?

They're perfect geniuses that no man can EVER match 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

I hate to use the, but think of the children argument, but it's my biggest concern for young girls. As making flawless narcissists role-models unironically, during the developmental phase of an entire generation of Disney film audiences, isn't going to have a negligible effect. If it was just one film, I would say this is an overreaction on my part, but it's the great number of similar messaging across many works, being normalized in some of the most accessibly mainstream media. The girl boss movement may be, a tongue in cheek, hilarious anecdote for those of our time, but for many people, young people especially, they're caustic symbols of perfection, victimization, narcissism, often enough - sociopathy... dressed in heroism, and perceived as virtue.

Yup! Marvel is doing these female characters so wrong. They are one dimensional "girl boss goddesses" that can do no wrong. I don't think they realise you can be strong without being stupid and rude. I mean look at Widow, her character is so well written.

😂😂😂😂

Yup, his genius inventions are build on failure.

Most teenage fanfiction writers probably could come up with something better than what those "writers" did.

The sequel wasn't a Tron movie. It was a generic action movie.

@@GeorgeMonet Omg I'm tainted by nostalgia!!!!!

@@GeorgeMonet Oh stop, it deserved the Tron name.

​@@GeorgeMonetLegacy was infinitely better than Tron 84

I really liked Tron: Legacy. Sure the story wasn't flawless and it was kind of generic, but I really liked the aesthetics and the soundtrack was awesome.

The only potential defence that comes to mind is that while the portal was open, Cassie saw the fight unfold (while doing nothing to help), and so may have seen Kang’s defeat before it closed? As for the rest, it’s genuinely staggering how so many potential plot lines are being squandered by these films!

The true question is how did she open that portal. How the fuck a radar from a fucking shed has even a fraction of the capabilty of a multi-versal traveling device

Getting people from the Quantumverse is a known science in the main universe as they have gotten both Antman and Janet from there so it would be more of a pothole to have him stranded there - they just do a poor job of explaining it

@@TheLittlePlatoon The "writers" are very, very far away from deriving a story from cause and effect, character and motivation. A story must...well, _should_ , flow from a starting condition, moved by those things. The people "doing" these movies (sounds better than "creating" or "writing") seem to work backwards from "You know what would be a cool scene?" and "Let's make this look like a bunch of dicks!" with no regard for any setups, callbacks, throughlines or consistent arcs. If they were stoned out of their minds on psychedelic drugs and throwing Disney's considerable resources at random crazy ideas...that might be entertaining. But they are constrained by the checkboxes, and gender restrictions and sometimes they remember they are supposed to be part of some bigger story (not that they seem to recall what it IS). The closest they come to entertainment derives from amazement at how total their incompetence is, and, of course, when someone such as yourself takes the time to elaborate on it. Many thanks.

@@draconomega Dude, teengrrrl science savant power, of course! That's not really a thing in the multiverse, the quantum realm, reality, or variant timelines, but it seems almost _mandated_ by Disney.

That may be the point exactly. If they can't sell a movie by its artistic merits, or how entertaining it may be, they will sell it by how angry makes people. As they say, "no publicity is bad publicity"...

It is called Marxism 101 you have to tear down all of the traditional stuff that is sacred to a nation so that you can destroy the country and the foundation and then you put a new foundation and build up from their your new Marxist Socialist Communist Utopia. That's what it is my friend

When all your best storytellers retired, burned out or were deemed politically problematic, all the industry is left with is talentless hacks making cookbook formula movies that no-one wants, with the mindset that "the production line cannot be stopped, next product will save us all!"

It's social engineering and YES, the average Joe normie is that retarded and will eat any shit they feed them. Remember, the Transformers movies made a metric fuck ton of money and are getting yet another sequel....

@2 Corinthians 4:7-11 beautifully written ❤️

Yeah, there was a buildup. He starts out as a "simple" weapons manufacturer, gets his cliche traumatic event (because every supehero needs that to become a superhero) and grows from there. He doesn't just invent time travel or even the arc reactor or the Iron Man suit. We see the process that leads him there. His ego is massive, but he also has the skills to back it up. And we see him fail. He is quippy and sarcastic and makes jokes, but they work. And if it doesn't work, the other characters react appropriately. And he works with a team. Not a bunch of sidekicks, but people on the same level, who rely on each other and help each other and complement each other.

@@HappyBeezerStudios women dont need traumatic events to become heroes, they're pushing the idea that being a woman in the modern world is 'traumatic' enough (cpt. marvel didnt overcome shrapnel in her chest or a world war, she 'overcame' ... man-splaining....) thats what im saying, there was trial and error, every advancement came with a set-back, every set-back made him more resilient, resilience develops character and THATS what people want to see in a hero, not generic power fights. It makes me laugh that modern writers demand more money when they dont even understand the heroes journey anymore.

rather than criminal I'd have her try to be a street super-hero, but in all her messy ways because she has neither the proper technology nor the training to pull it off properly. She could just rub off the wrong people (do I feel a Kingpin angle here ?), and Scott + wife have to protect her from the mob. In the meantime, you could introduce a federal agency superceding Shield with for mission to enforce the Sucovia agreements (contuinity anyone ?), and catch Cassie to bring her to justice as a vigilante. Douglas & WASP get the opportunity to shine running these men into a wild chase while the rest of the family deals with the mob

Wow, such good ideas in this section here. It’s almost like they weren’t written by an algorithm, unlike certain movies nowadays.

Didn’t we just see that in Everything Everywhere All At Once?

As far as I'm concerned, Ant-man is so boring and irrelevant, it doesn't matter what they do to him.

@@juicegod777 I never saw that movie. Is that what happens?

And they lack the growth to become problem-solving heroes. There are basically three ways comic heroes are made. 1. they inherit the powers or have them from the start. But those heroes tend to pop up at some point, and their growth comes from the decision to become hereos. The MCU did that with Thor. He had his powers, was stripped of them, and had to become a better person to regain them. But he never had to learn how to harness them. 2. they develop the powers slowly over time. Learning to deal with those powers is part of the character growth. Often the powers come slowly and they have to get used to a new thing that pops up. A really good example was Smallville. Clark develops his powers over time. He doesn't just have them. And all "badass normal" superheroes. They don't have any superpowers, they are just normal people, but super trained. 3. They have a "traumatic hero unlock" moment (the most cliched, but also one that gives opportunity) The MCU did that with Iron Man. during his "traumatic hero unlock"™ he develops his first suit, and from there upgrades over time. They also did it with CaptIan America. Yes, he got his powers in a moment, but took time to move from a PR agent to a real hero. And obviously Spiderman, he gets his powers after being bitten by the spider. But he only becomes a hero after his uncle dies. That is basically the standard. Batman, Daredevil, Hulk, Deadpool..... But in all cases they have to learn how to be a superhero. No matter if their powers develop with their character or of they get them at once, learning how to be a hero is part of character development. And more often then not getting superhero and normal life together is part of their troubles. And they have weaknesses to overcome. And even if they're introduced without showing that backstory, it can be done later. When Thor shows up during the first Avengers movie, the other characters have no idea who he is and why he is there. They only see him trying to break out Loki. They see him as a threat, and it takes time to come together. Those girl-boss Mary-Sues lack that development. They just are and have now flaws and everyone likes them and they're always right and they're smarter and prettier than everyone else.

@@cristoalba5781 Exactly. People thought it was mediocre at the time, but watching it now that the standard is so low, it’s a fuckin masterpiece. It may be a bit slow at times, the CGI can be obvious and unrefined but nothing stuck out like a sore thumb. No politically driven ideological horse shit, no virtue signaling, it’s a movie that is made to entertain with such a super cool vibe. And I can’t stress enough how unbelievably overlooked and underrated the Tron soundtrack is. Catchy, recognizable, unique, every song perfectly suits each scene. The mixture of the genres orchestral, electronic, and synth NEEDS to make a comeback.

@Cristo Alba Really?! In my case not so much, i remember Tron actualy remembering programs are not users and the idea of manifesting matter from a digital world would be absurd, otherwise the bad guys would have done it! And of course the digimon...

Young Bridges is really bad at the beginning, but once they get it into the darker computer world it looks good.

Ant man didn't even defeat him? An army of hyper-advanced giant ants did. An interdimentional conqueror got raken down by the bugs from starship troopers

I was going to say rules and consistency for lessons. In this movie time is whatever the plot needs it to be to contrive away things happening in screen.

lol what you described is exactly what we're going to get. it's comin

You described Marvels, the new upcoming yet delayed movie

That forced feminist scene in endgame says it all.

So endgame again? I'm sorry but that was one wet fart of a conclusion, you were blinded by the fanboyism

@@FanksCast end game is at least overall interesting. Most of Phase 4 is rather trash. Maybe except for Wanda vison and Loki, the rest is quite trash