She-Hulk - Nobody's Laughing 

They took down your Multiverse of Badness videos. What are you gonna do, man?

Hey, awesome video ! She-Hulk makes me cringe as a feminist. It's just one more awfully written "women empowerment" series. I just want to add something. Yes, it depicts sexism in an awful way. But at the same time, most women do suffer from fear and anger on a daily basis. Not because some guy mansplains something but more like when we inevitably run into a creep in the subway or in the street. And 1 out of 3 women have been raped soooo they got the fear and anger right but not the real reasons. If they really wanted to depict what women have to go through they should've made a drama about sexual assault imo

This is quite honestly one of the best critiques I've ever seen on RU-vid. I'm not gay...but dudes making me reconsider.

OMG ANOTHER GAY WHITE MAN COMPLAINING ABOUT FICTIONAL CONTENT 🙄🙄 😡

Hey there, first time on your channel, and just wanted to say something, I paused, at about :45 seconds into your video to come type this. You did such a good job with this 45 seconds, so much so, that it illustrates the point so well, I don't think I will really need much convincing from the rest of the video on how this is gonna add up (I am of course gonna finish it now.) I just wanted to applaud you, or your editor or both for the collaboration on that, because man that was a really good way to show just the (or likely, what amounts to a) point without any BS. Just some random validation from a stranger bouncing through the internet, that intro bit alone got yah at least one sub! Have a good day man, gonna go watch the rest now.

And the irony is totally lost on the both the character and the writers

Lmao

It's sad the writers dont see the irony lol

No no no no. She hulk is better than the hulk!!!! Don’t you see her ability to out perform him despite having to go through 0 failures, means of learning or having character development?!?! Of course she’s going to explain to him because he needs to learn from someone that hasn’t gone through any of the learning process he has!! Plus, she has to control her anger more than him duhhhh. The writers didn’t even have to show us that does because she tells us herself, while simultaneously getting mad as she’s saying it. Definitely not even more irony in this show.

It's made even funnier by the fact that, as we see in the show, Jen is actually a really bad lawyer.

But but but.....she gets cat called 👍🏽😂🤣

@@Freedomlives33 I forgot about that, I take back what I said🤣

"B-but she has gone through so much trauma, not only was she catcalled, but she also was trapped in a suburban household where she couldn't express herself"🤓🤓🤓

@@Cardock2 dont forget incompetent men explaing her own area of expertees to her

It’s like the equivalent of someone getting hit by a bus and the other person says well yeah you think that’s bad I got a paper cut today at work and I’ll have you know it bled for a total of 3 seconds.

To prove it and intantly return to human 🙃

Well her middle/upper middle class upbringing, attending UCLA, passing the state bar and becoming a public defender as a woman was a much more traumatic experience than Bruce's life where he had an abusive possibly psychotic father (assuming the same pre-established lore), his mother dying at his father's hands. Possibly growing up in the foster system. Becoming the Hulk causing collateral damage and possible harm to innocents. Living on the run for years. All the trials and tribulations as an Avenger, losing friends and comrades etc etc. Yeah, Jen had a much harder life. That's why she's better....🙄

thinking about, it that's a scene (without the woman implying abuse or whatever) I would've seen in a kids cartoon.. Girl sad? MAKEOVER!

Sadder still, the writers *fought* to keep that scene in the episode. 🙄

@knightofkorbin888 😲 You figured out one of their manipulation tools! 🤫

Wow, it would interesting scene with that perpective, but, they though that wre funny.

Pudiendo hablar tantos idiomas y elegiste hablar con la verdad.

Maybe a strong female character that actually went through something and actually worked to get powerful.

i think scarlet witch is a good female hero.

Yep. People like black widow actually gained her abilities through harsh training and a rough past Then you got she hulk after she gained a power that isn’t even her’s and already became someone who is almost stronger than the hulk, who worked on his power for over a decade. I completely agree. Gender doesn’t matter if you worked hard for what you got.

Ehhh, she's iffy

You stole this comment, but who cares?

facts

I agree... but here it's just comparing character development. Hulk has been through a lot to get where he is. She hulk... well she has her own struggles, it pales In comparison to everything hulk pushed through

Wait.. I misread the comment

Who got emasculated though? Yall are really reaching the bottom of the complaint barrel here

It feels like they are giving special treatment to you for being a woman. Like a handicapped person getting special treatment instead of just treating you like a human being. The female characters that stuck with me, just like the male characters, are the ones with failures but overtime they overcome these failures. A perfect example would be from the show Arcane.

Isn´t that fucking Knuckles the echidna? lol

@@juancerrato1659 yup. He isn't wrong.

Knuckles of all characters understood this.

When a fucking *kids show* understands equality better than most *adults*

@@PlahaKumarand in that show he has admitted himself to be dumber than usual.

It's cope, because they have literally nothing to be proud of in themselves.

@@MachineMan-mj4gj are you talking about the characters or real people? Because I think it’s pretty disingenuous to assume most women are narcissistic. Just as it would be to generalise men. If a girl or woman tries hard to grow as a person and keep some integrity and character strength, that’s something to be proud of.

@@cosmo588 No. He's right. Women just trying to be men these days. They have zero own original things. It's all copy paste from men.

@@cosmo588 Can we generalize the overpaid hack writers for the MCU?

@@dirkechoes1377 yes

10/10 comment

If I had faith in the writers, I would say they were setting up a character flaw to address later, but since she is practically perfect, they probably see it as justified.

They usually are

@@misternobody3481 if the writers actually had talent her attitude as a know it all would be a great starting point for a character arc, but since this is post-endgame, she is going to be a perfect Mary sue and will probably single handedly save the Hulk and other established superheroes in the finale against a world ending threat while complaining that she is having to do superhero work instead of the courtroom case she is working on.

I also wonder how she responds to the incompetent women who explain her job to her.

Well all I can say is that while writing this comment you put more thought into it than the whole marvel studio did while doing that crap show. They missed a very nice chance of making a down to earth cool superhero lawyer story and just went with their shitty idea

It'd odd because the comics had already had She-Hulk pretend her problems are equal to her cousin's and it didn't work there either. The really annoying thing is that it's very out of character for Jen Walters to feel that way. The reason her hulk form has her normal mind and personality is precisely because she's so well adjusted. Then again I'm expecting the writers to know the source material but they probably couldn't be bothered.

She can only write about what she knows, and elitist problems is really all she knows.

@@BiggieTrismegistusI heard the main writer said she didn't read the comics. Don't quote me on that though, I could very well have misheard

The thing is, when Marvel is creating "strong" female characters, they do so by stripping them of everything that makes them feminine, and She-Hulk is no exception. So it would be utterly impossible for Marvel to have had her have a miscarriage because that is something that only woman can experience, and therefore does not fit their image of a strong female character.

What is terrifying is how deeply these things have sunk into real life. When I married my Wife in 2008, I had already been suffering Chronic Pain for 15 years due to an unknown cause (eventually discovered in 2013- Inoperable Spinal Damage.) She repeatedly insisted she could handle it. I said it could get worse. That didn't matter. She 'loved me'. Because of the neurological damage, 'Bedroom Time' was incredibly difficult for me. Like a Car with a Broken Transmission, rev that engine all you want, the car is NOT moving. But still, I DID love her, so I pushed myself to the edge of a nervous breakdown trying to meet her needs. I couldn't even get close, and in 2014, she had decided she'd had enough of my 'Selfishness and Self-Centeredness.' and decided that nothing was better than not enough, so ended all intimacy between us. Not only that, but instead of just admitting she can't (or won't) deal with having a disabled Husband, she has created a narrative where I am now a 'Selfish, Betraying, Gold-Digging, Sexist, Racist, Transphobe, Nazi.' (Also admitting I have not changed since we married.) I am now almost totally disabled and have needed to be in an assisted living facility for years, but she just recently berated me for not 'Providing for her', despite the fact she is in the top 7% of US Wage Earners and has never needed any money I could bring to the table. The nightmare my life has been for so long is just an irritating annoyance to her. She is finally divorcing me, and I live in daily anxiety about how I am going to survive when I am finally kicked to the curb.

@@torikazuki8701damn, man. I’m sorry to hear that. I just woke up from a nap so I don’t have much words but if you throw a reply, I’ll get back with something more meaningful

She couldn't even control her anger _while_ womansplaining how she's better at controlling her anger to the person trying to help her with her anger issues.

@@Dargonhuman i just made this exact commenr "im an expert at controlling my anger" she says while losing her temper

i think it shows her character is flawed

@@eatoke if that’s the point, we should see contradictions further on in the story and a massive change of character. But that doesn’t happen and it just supports that She-Hulk has it worse than everybody.

@@miguelangelromeroramos9226 tbf we don’t know if that doesn’t happen considering it’s not over but I agree

Let me shed a tear for big green jesus. She hulk shouldnt have hit him when she hit him she hit all of us guys with glasses and no bitches, amirite fellas?

I think this is because marvel doesn’t have full control of The Hulk so they don’t care about him amd they just throw him under the bus , around the bus, through the mud , amd then tell him to be in someone else’s storyline. It’s sad but the other people are not going to ever let him go amd therefore no one can do productive things with his origins or the story. Thank you btw for letting me know the origins of The character 👍🏽💯

Don't forget watching his mom getting murdered right before his eyes and getting multiple personality disorder from that (which would be actually interesting to see being worked on) Basically his entire life has no happiness whatsoever, and if it he gets it, it's taken away from him in the most violent ways possible. But of course mansplaining is worse

@@forgetit9421 I’m soo glad that you all are explaining this stuff to me. I’m a creative person and I will take the information amd create my own version of The Hulk. The people that own him are not going to ever let him go so that someone can make him a better character.🤦🏽‍♀️💯

Not to mention the guy in charge of the military who dedicated his existence to hunting him down is the father of the woman he loved, Betty. Also that after Betty, the other woman he loved in the universe was Black Widow, who you know... died. If they actually gave two shits about Bruce they'd use the weight of all those losses to fuel his desperation into saving his dying cousin's life (like in the comic). But, women power and all that bs can't have Bruce save his last living family member. She has to save him via ~bullshittery~ Being saved is a weakness after all. They turned two of my favorite characters into a neutered dog and a bitch. I'm honestly done.

Uh bro that's actually another example of feminist bullshit propaganda. They were trying to do a whole "oh look women are just as smart as men thing" and then basically told the exact story of Bobby Fischer as if he were a girl. That movie was a complete insult to men, and especially Bobby Fischer. Because no female chess player has ever accomplished what she supposedly did in Queen's Gambit, yet she's still doing the whole "hah you underestimated me because I'm a woman!" Given the fact that a woman has never actually done what she did and it was really Bobby Fischer, yep, just more feminist propaganda.

@@theNimboo humanity has never triumphed over aliens either. It's called fiction. She's a good character and the show is excellent. Sure, a show with a competent female lead in an arena dominated by men is feminist in a way, and you can hate on it for that if you want. But it's much more fun to just yourself enjoy what really is a work of art.

@@theNimboo I'm not sure if you know this but women are definitely capable of beating a majority of men in a chosen field of interest. You have people like Marilyn Vos Savant who is like 4th highest IQ ever or something.

@@theNimboo Also statistically women and men are on par intellectually just men have more variation. Men are both smarter and dumber than women if you look at the spread. Men are more likely to suffer from things like addiction, schizophrenia, asperger's, down syndrome, general autism and other developmental disorders that lower their IQ but are also more likely to have mutations that raise their average IQ to be on par with women's. Also also if we look at it from a practical standpoint currently women are graduating from universities and colleges at a higher frequency than men so there is that if we want to compare things like general well-roundedness because women do exceed men in many social skills as well. Trust me, I hate woke feminism probably as much as you do but a woman being as smart or smarter than a man doesn't automatically equate it to "feminist bullshit propaganda". It's really about the character and how it's presented. Their skills need to be plausible and it remains plausible for some women to be smarter than some men. Maybe even a lot of men depending on who they are. Edit: yep I'm going to fix that comma placement or it's going to bug me.

@@theNimboo So the story isn't based totally in historical fact but it never claimed to be and it's not actually impossible for such a thing to happen. I personally don't count it as propaganda because like I said men and women are often on par intellectually. Propaganda is when they portray women as flawless, superior in every single way, and instantly good at anything they try. This is not the case in Queen's Gambit.

True. I found her problems to be so petty & pathetic. It was ridiculous af. She was a walking joke.

She's making all women (myself included) look bad and petty. How did they manage to make Scarlet Witch (at least in earlier movies) and Black Widow so well while also making this insulting show?

Well, when hulk became a hulk. He wasn’t viewed as a super hero. He became a super hero which paved the way for she hulk. Making her transition easier. When it was her turn, she and the hulk have been accepted by society. That’s the big difference between her and the hulk.

She has white women problems, non existent

​@@nokturn882 I'd add to that that the society in which they became Hulks is really different. When Hulk popped out (as a menace btw) heroes weren't that much of a thing. When She-Hulk became a thing it's like "she doesn't feel menacing compared to the many alien attacks we've got in the past years" and it's obviously mediatised. Also I don't think she "used" Hulk's name as a levrage. It's more like "people put an etiquette on me, imma use it". They don't come from the same background and it's what *could've* made her character interesting. Still, I feel the fact that Marvel is heading in a really different direction that feels more about getting new fans into Marvel rather than pleasing the audiance which is frustrating when you consider that it's supposed to be interconnected stories and so you kinda have to watch it without liking it if you are interested by the new phase they are unwrapping. Nowdays I see Marvel as a dog owner treating us as such making series that you may or not like and giving us little treats of connections from this to that movie or serie, episode after episodes to keep us watching shit we don't enjoy. How many Raimi fans went to watch Doctor Strange or Tobey fans went to see Spiderman:NWH and now how many daredevil fans are going to wait to see Daredevil on their screen even if they don't like She-Hulk... or Megan the Stallion (which I am proud of for being in the show) fans which again bring traction to Marvel from people who aren't into it usually. Now they start vanilla with a geekey looking lawyer to a big green attractive powerful lawyer (kinda basic usual girl character trope teens used to watch in the 2000s) and they might peek more and more to see if she is there, and start liking what thhey do with that other character etc... I mean I did the same and started watching all the important movies knowing that Infinity Wars was coming and now I feel like Disney's puppy. Anyway, it's the beggining of a new phase with new heroes, a new story and a bigger fanbase for Disney but I feel like the fans are going to be less engaged and are going to watch just to see well written stories get destoyed while their main character doesn't have anything to do with their own serie like Wanda.

Funnily enough, I say almost *exactly* the same thing in this video!

@@TheLittlePlatoon I look forward to the video when it drops. One interesting takeaway however, is that it certainly gives significant insight into the thought process of those who created it, and those who find it enjoyable. The worldview these people have seems so negative (particularly towards men,) egotistical, not particularly realistic, and frankly not particularly empowering. It just seems to assume the worst from every interaction. They remind me of some of the female friends I had in university, who would loudly complain all week about how terrible men are, and then cry about how they couldn't find a nice date. Gee, I wonder why?

As a 30-something suburban woman married to another 30-something suburban woman, I can tell you we turned it off after 10 minutes because of the pure, distilled cringe.

@@Adahop I do not blame you. It is a dumpster fire of a show. I'm sure you are familiar with the type of individual I am referencing.

This got a laugh out of me, cheers

The comics I read of She Hulk were just light comedy lawyer drama. And if was a really fun read! Think Ally McBeal helping out superheroes on their legal trouble. I dont get why they didnt do this. There is a lot of material there and you could showcase many subpar Heroes and villains that way, whole showcasing some Real life conséquences of super héro life. Potential for comedy, absurdism and drama all at once! And I understood SheHulk as a woman who just felt more confident and happy as a 7ft tall green bodybuilder instead of a cause but mousy brunette. And honesltly there is a good character arc right there!

That also sounds awful, however idk how anything could be worse than what’s happening right now.

@@shortstarwarsessays1842 That idea, or better yet, any idea can work as long as they're not woke. I can see some benefits of how they tease new shit but I cringed the entire time they were delivering it.

@@janmiranda528 I don’t care about something being “woke” the series was so unfunny and badly written, I don’t like the term “woke” because it’s so vague and nobody ever gives it the same definition because it’s a non descriptive word used for anything people don’t like. As long as something isn’t so offensively bad and unfunny it makes me look away from the screen with pain it’s already become better than She Hulk. That ending was so bad it about made me kill my whole family to spare them the pain of being tortured with lazy gross writing.

​​​@@deldarma4509 You've evidently read the Dan Slott run and I agree that those are a fun read. That's what I was hoping the show would be. The writers _claim_ that's what they adapted from but in the process they got rid everything good about those comics. As you mention if they wanted to give her inner conflict they could have explored the dichotomy between her relatively plain human form and her gorgeous superhero Hulk form.

I instantly liked the video when I heard that

agreed, unfortunately current day marvel don’t plan stories as well thought through and as planned as that

sadly, i can already tell you that there’s no way that’s gonna happen! im convinced that the ONLY reason they labeled this show as a “comedy” is to avoid writing a complex moral issue, like the one you exemplified, for the main character. rather, they would prefer to write “ha ha female smarter and better than male ! female twerk in her office with megan tha stallion” 🥴

​@@jillianc7485 I guess no one told them that a good comedy also has character development. That comedy by default has the main character being comedic too.

@@WwZa7 hey look man you’re preaching to the choir lol they messed up big time. i haven’t seen a solidly written female character in a looong time- not even from female writers ! the whole industry is a joke at this point

@@jillianc7485 A man can wish you know. Problem lies not in writers but in who picks these writers and pressures them to fit some stupid agenda. That's why modern mainstream media suck.

Hulksplains

@@guessmyname1246 Hulkspine

@@porkydorky No.

@@KJab21512 :(

@@guessmyname1246 Hulk is plane

yeah hes one of the poeple of the lgbtq i respect

@@deathstalker8851 do you, not usually respect them?

@@deathstalker8851 bro what 😂

@@deathstalker8851 bro what?

@@deathstalker8851 ayo…

Hulk not only brought back half of humanity but half of life in the known universe. Before anyone thinks that was no big deal. n o one considers how many folks died of natural illnesses and even suicides ( lost of a loved one can do that ya know) folks come back from the snap to find out their loved ones died within that 5 year gap. LIVES WHERE AFFECTED. But at the Center The Hulk brought them back and his cousin is obviously a self entitled woman who doesn't think of anyone but herself I know that she is in the comics a char brought into teh Avengers later on. If i was running that group i would pass on her she is not worthy of such a role. I rather have Natasha's Sister join .

100 percent. Like fuck this STRONG female character bullshit. So many games, shows and movies do it well, but it's this triple a and top dog producers don't get the memo, being a strong female isn't putting down your gender counterpart. It's just being strong. Like bro, If I saw a woman beat the living shit out of a bear, I'd drop to my knees and suck her dick bro

It's also a complete misunderstanding of strong. Strength is built through endurance of hardship, whether it's self-imposed by, say, weightlifting or exercise, or external, physically, mentally, or emotionally. What they think is strength is imperviousness. Which does not require something to be strong.

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seriously !! i just made another comment about the fact that we’re all *so* tired of the trope that insinuates “women can only be strong if they’re snarky, quick witted, shy away from femininity, and hate men.” like ? how many times are we gonna see that SAME character???

That may have been the plan at some point till they realized how much they’d have to pay through the nose for that.

Hulk just deserves better at this point.

Bruce reporting in any context, self-infantilization, entitlement and level of narcissism will make no one feel comfortable, she id going to need some of constant therapy which she series have shown she is working with others.

yes it is random cousin womans job to make man better at grieving, not his actual superhero allies that were there through the entire ordeal alongside him and the said dying friends. Jesus christ this comment section is full of self reports. This attitude is why intelligent women will always cringe at you - why do you assume it is their job to guide men through their emotional ordeals?

@@littlebunse5 That is NOT what we meant at all. Bruce is already through with that shit. He cured himself long before She-Hulk became a thing. Its nice to have someone who truly understands you and guide you through hardships in life. Sometimes this person is your parent, sometimes it can be your friend, your teacher or lover. Banner could have been a mentor to She-hulk, he has been through the worst of Hulk. He could've understand her better, help her overcome the problems of the green angry fella but NOPE. Why would we have an interesting arc when she can easly be best at everything?

@@littlebunse5 Pretentious loser lmfao maybe you should learn how to read and understand a point without turning it into a farcical debate.

W

Finally a feminist with an actual smart brain, I thought those went extinct.

Sorry but seeing a "feminist" at this age will never be justifiable for me lmao As a woman, feminism atleast on todays sense makes me sick

@@kyarumomochi5146 ​ feminism itself is “men and women should be equal.” That’s it. The definition has not changed. If you believe that, and fight for that, you are a feminist. All that extra “hate all men,” is not a part of it. So, don’t dislike a completely normal and good movement because people who claim to support it are dumb; that just makes you ignorant (I mean, unless you don’t agree with men and woman should be equal)

be careful, some might accuse you of being a "pick me" for actually using your head.

Very kind of you to say so, and I’m happy you took something away from it! That automatically makes you so much better and more mature than the writers of this awful show. It’s not that we don’t have our problems, it’s how we deal with them that counts.

Ignore the feminist propaganda my young bro

Good on you for being mature! I've already despaired that the showrunners who are at least twice your age can do the same.

Damn, a character like that, properly realised, would have been well in place in the mainline films, never mind relegated to an irrelevant TV slot. But we didn’t get that character, and the one we did get doesn’t even deserve the irrelevant TV slot.

@@TheLittlePlatoon Exactly and one more key difference is that her strength doesn't increase with rage. If Jen wants to get stronger, she has to work, exercise and build her strength through hard work in order to fight on the level of stronger villains. She had a full on Rocky training montage in order for her to fight against the Champion of the Universe in a boxing match and only managed to win by using her brains to get him to not use the Power Stone in the fight. There could've been a whole story line where Jen could've used her strength and her mind to outwit a dangerous villain in order to get him/her to stand trial. Showing her heroes journey of working hard and being confident to achieve her dreams.

well put, all you have said about the comics makes a charicter belivable and realatable what they have done is a lazy hack job that will only appele to people with an unrealistic view of men and women.

That explains the attitude in every version I see her in. Like when she's on screen in cartoons she's exerting "alpha female" energy. Like you see her and go "hot damn" she's hot. Confident, strong. And she damn well knows it.

I think I need a character like Jen in my life right now. I've been feeling pretty weak and could use some inspo. Could you recommend some good comics/issues to get into She-Hulk proper and not the stuff that waters her down?

Yeah, because The Boys uses show don’t tell by actually showing the issues that the women face instead of just standing on a soapbox to tell you, which makes you feel more empathetic instead of just annoyed.

So you're telling me that all the female heroes coming together to stomp stormfront didn't seem forced to you?

@@afroshinobimikeemikee2208 nah I liked it

@@afroshinobimikeemikee2208 The Boys is a satire, that moment was a satire moment

@@pedrolotto1355 what made this one satire and the other not so

I actually liked the character(s) movie-wise in The Incredible Hulk, that's where I thought they were close to what I remembered but yeah looking back Ragnarok Hulk was ugh!

May be she didn't care if she get paid... A true heroine.

they would’ve never included that though because then it would insinuate that she’s not a great person and has flaws… and GOD FORBID they show a female character with actual, real life flaws !!! 🙄

Yeah, that would've brought up her issues as a person and a lawyer, and not as a female, like the show did

You know it’s bad when a random comment on youtube makes better plot points than all of the marvel writers in the same room for MONTHS combined

@@jillianc7485 But sometimes lawyers don't have a choice in the matter on who they defend in court; showcasing flaws doesn't always require that the person is immoral, they could've just used the material from the original comics (human form-Jennifer was very meek, shy, and lacked confidence).

Agreed. No one ever seems to talk about it, but Peppermint (Jennifer Garner) was a good representation of a strong female character, without all the usual bullshit. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eeBMQpzoEXQ.html Or, Interceptor (Elsa Pataky) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OQSoII4Bj1o.html

Look if don't like the show no problem don't watch it.

For example Eleven from Stranger Things. She has a very interesting arch that is born out of hardship and difficult decisions

I’m a woman (Naturally Born Female) and I definitely agree with you on this 💯💯💯

As some author (GRRM?) wisely said "Make your character suffer".

hear, hear! i relate to Bruce on a deeper level because of his original origin of trauma in the comics, AKA Bruce's father, and the idea of his trauma having manifested into a rage-filled monster. it was like a cancer to him, but one he couldn't be rid of. it was sad, but relatable. and yet, She-Hulk drags that through the mud and makes fun of it because of some bigoted woman's opinions on society and superheroes in general. it's aggravating.

Giving She-Hulk past trauma would have fundamentally altered her character. The reason Jen Walters and She-Hulk are one and the same mentally is because she's well adjusted and doesn't have any hang-ups. That's why suddenly making her have repressed anger doesn't work. If she was that mad all the time her Hulk form would be more like her cousins. If they needed to give her issues they could have explored the dichotomy between the way Jen Walters looks and the beauty of She-Hulk. She-Hulk is supposed to be a fun character and I personally like that about her. That's not to say you can't serious stories about her because you can. I don't think herself needs to be a good person who likes to help people at both of her jobs.

Put ya dick away waltuh

damn dude when's the series coming out??

"Legal" "comedy"

Agreed. The “one thing” I like about mcu hulk. They just need to quit defiling him, and bring back savage and eventually world breaker hulk.

That's why I like the 90s animated She-Hulk. She was freaking awesome and played off of her cousin really well.

I know what you mean. Nowadays, when I watch any new Marvel release, I feel absolutely nothing. It’s nihilistic serial storytelling with no actual story behind it.

Yeah we all know Hulk was the peak of writing in the mcu amirite fellas. When he showed up as smart Hulk without any warning or seemingly any struggle to make himself that way that really made me FEEL things. Dumbass loser lmao they went out of their way to show the Hulk was significantly stronger than She Hulk was. She's literally only better at emotional control but seeing a woman with confidence ig rattled you to the point where you projected a weird amount of girl power into her. I'm sure if fucking she Hulk were more timid and traditionally feminine THEN the writing on the hulks would be much better, you geniuses cracked the code!

@@littlebunse5 Do me a favor, go back and watch the 90s hulk cartoon. That's the version of She-Hulk we should have gotten.

It seems to impress a lot of feminists watching this show. Her controlling her emotions to the point that she might not have killed any of the guys asking her how she was doing even if Bruce hadn't stopped her is apparently stunning and brave. It would have been funny, in a weird way, if the show was about her male attorney colleague prosecuting her for assault/manslaughter.

It very much is if you're ignorant and misandrist thinking that all men just anger machines letting it all out at all times If we did so, this world would be already in apocalypse stage for a long long time

that and the ironic assertion that men don't know how to control their anger. Men who don't control their anger tend to end up in prison.

Its unintentionally a horrible thing to say to Bruce Banner, specifically. Actually really bad. The reason why he even developed anger issues was through having an abusive father who would go on rampages and beat both bruce and his mother. For this lady, who would know about Bruce's dad, to say that its just...yikes. I know the continuity with MCU Bruce Banner is pretty much non existent and he quite literally has no past. But this is still the same character(allegedly).

Even worse for Bruce because if he gets angry he could destroy the planet while the worst thing that can happen to Jennifer is her going home and eating a tub of ice cream.

Idk I don’t think she’s like such an amazing actor, but I think she would of been just as fine as all the other MCU actors if given some better material. When she was pretending to be drunk in the last episode it was so bad and painful to watch I almost cut off the episode.

@Funhistani Maybe you find him misogynistic because of your racism.

@Funhistani so you go from being racist to a “person of color” interesting switch.

@Funhistani bro if you wanna be racist that’s fine, but the least you can do is not pretend to be a person of color while doing it.

@Funhistani says the racist

I mean that was the point. It was meant to be funny and show she actually doesn’t control it infinitely better than him. It’s all still super stupid none the less.

as a woman i cannot watch it at all it’s super cringe

I don' t think most of the commenters here get the point of the ironic jokes they make. The majority of complaints about progressiveness aren't just for sake of adding them to please the audience, it's using both sides of that spectrum of folks that are either super , terroists-like, against it or extremely too for it to where it just hurts any right cause. I think this is looking TOO deep into things that don't need to be put under a microscope and at the same time also looking at other things with a super careless and surface judgment. The inconsistent breakdown of all these points he made are simply just made to be a sinic for his own sake. I get it, I can be like that at times but I can take the time and reflect on my own judgement of irrelevant things in my life like a show that just isn't for me. I don't make an entire essay to try and fish for a party of folks to agree with me. I just have my own opinions and move on about my day. This took him days, maybe weeks, to make and edit and even a day alone is already too much to be sinical about a show you just don't enjoy and still continue to watch. It'd be like me complaining about the horribly overrated show called Game of Thrones and then completely taking the time to make a whole essay on why I don't like it just to have a party of other morons that jump on my dick about how much I hate Game of Thrones. I don't like the show and never did because it was boring and lazy with the only real reason I kept watching was that it had amazing fight scenes and gore for my liking. Other than that, the characters were OK but had wasted potential. That said, I don't care enough to make a video or even write any longer than two sentences on why I don't like a show or film. I love she-hulk cause it's kind of really making a joke of those that literally think it's cheesy or contradictory because that's the target they hit with the jokes the characters make. lol. If you can't see it then you're part of that joke. Imagine it like this... how much time would it take to convince and make a crazy person acknowledge they're crazy and know they're crazy with self awareness?

@@MoonBeamLight but it wasn’t funny in any way, shape, or form. The writing is boring and lazy

@@pushpopLoC909 your essay about a comment with only 4 response typed back seems a little contradicting. but i get it. this is normal feedback having a open opinion is natural to express it however you may. - it can be a show, game, book and food etc. I’m a comedy girl myself although i don’t think they added the comedy yet in she hulk (again imo) and i only discourage the show she hulk and phase 4 itself for it’s incredible let down of everyone’s character development. it lacks its marvel feeling of a good story good character! i can get into detail about it but i agree it won’t take me anywhere. it did back when a group of people believed marvel was sexiest for not staring women leads now look at it ! it’s a whole multi diverse cinamatic - just another escample.. all im saying is opinion/feedback is necessary so the majority is heard and hopefully change can be conducted.

That's the way these kinds of female characters are written unfortunately. By someone who can't write for crap.

@@PlahaKumar until I saw this show I thought Wonder Woman 2 was bad now I’m thinking maybe not so much..

you... you literally described the show. That's the show. You're describing the show.

I always found she-hulk to be a painfully derivative and uninteresting character in the comics, glad to see they've decided to also make her insufferable.

If she had that much repressed anger her She-Hulk form would be like her cousin's. For inner conflict the comics this show (allegedly) uses as inspiration explored the dichotomy between small, kind of mousey Jen and beautiful vivacious She-Hulk. She comes to realize being She-Hulk is kind of like a drug for her when she begins to spend entire says in that form. All that being said She-Hulk isn't and hasn't been a character used to explore social or psychological issues and I think trying to do so with the ham-fisted feminism was to the show's detriment. She-Hulk is a fun character and most of her solo series feature more comedy than other comic books. One of the biggest sources of humor is watching her deal with how insane the legal system is in the Marvel Comics universe while acting as a public defender for tons of z-list villains. Unfortunately the writers of the show couldn't be bothered to come up with funny and interesting courtroom scenes. Their failure to do so and apparent desire to avoid having She-Hulk be an actual superhero doomed the show. The comic book Jen Walter is smart, funny and sexy but she's also a compassionate woman who cares about the world around her and wants to make it a better place. Being a public defender and superhero allows her to do that at both of her jobs. The shallow narcissist of this show is nothing like Jen Walters should be.

It would actually have some humour to it if she by the end of the show got hunted by the army.

@@jimsteinmanfan80 eh from the trailer I guess no. More like working with the goverment instead.

point being, when she first transformed in the comics she had her own "rampage" and all, so it really makes absolutely no sense that she would control her transformation right out of the bat. Except, of course, for that fact that she's a woman and as such all she needs is a confidence boost because she's already grat to begin with...

It's literally only 1 episode out bro

@@sparking023 she literally almost smashed 3 duded

That is actually a mental problem.

And in general sends the message women are angry most the time , which's kinda funny.

It really does undermine the message of women being more in control of their emotions than men when the mouthpiece for that message demonstrates such a terrible control of her own emotions.

Feminists don’t realize they’re literally playing into “She’s on her period” trope. Like this shit is blatantly sexist somehow to both genders at once while trying to be morally righteous

Captain Marvel . dude says ya should smile more . steals his ride WRECKS IT. She even shop lifts ( Women around the world thats Girl Power) Also blows away a jukebox to prove she is a good guy . is sheild gonna compensate folks for teh damaged caused by the theft of a car and stuff and teh ruined jukebox ?

You forgot about waking up from 2 year “coma” bc of Hulk, on another planet. He didn’t traveled other planets like some of his work friends. It’s shocking

The worst part is how these kinds of shows portray men as cartoonishly awful to try and justify it. I know enough girls to know that more often than not the guy in that situation would be the one stroking her ego while the woman would be trying to tear her down. Sure he's doing it to get in her pants which is it's own can of worms, but always amazes me how male characters in "female" shows always have to either be a villain or a subservient male apologist. I mean the antagonist of this episode is literally the Hulk, what the fuck are they doing.

Smth that also bothers me about this is Bruce has a complex backstory and trauma. Her trauma is just...something every woman in the world goes through??? This show feels like it's trying to be feminist and empowering but it's low-key so sexist 😭 like just perpetuating the idea women 'play' the victim, they're one dimensional and 'boring'. And the twerking scene like come on...

Are we talking about trauma or anger? Hulk gets stronger the angrier he gets, not the more traumatized he is. I'd get mad too if I was constantly around misogyny and being catcalled all day. Also, ''her trauma is just something every woman in the world goes through''? That's a good way to be blunt about it. The canonical MCU hulk was from 2003, so his arc has had nearly 20 years of development. Compared to She-Hulk, who literally just got her series, they only have her comics to go with.

@@mhrn.1309 They obviously didn't crack one open

Agreed

Leave it to the skanks that made this "comedy" and pretty much crapped on Steve Rodgers since scene one.

Then they ruined it and imo damaged his character by saying nah he smashed before he was even frozen. You know during the time he was mad I love with Peggy.

In the post credit scene, Hulk reveals that Steve was in fact not a virgin.

@@varietyveritegaming Which is unfortunate. Because these writers destroyed what could have otherwise been a really positive message. They mocked his being a virgin, then reinforced the whole measure of a man thing. It feels like a non-committal bait and switch. They should have picked one side or the other.

That is true. But also horrible writing; "Guys, we need a way for human Bruce to be bleeding and injured and have to be saved by Jen--what do we do? Oh, have him wearing a device he just so happened to have recently made that prevents him from transforming, even though he now has full control over his transformations and doesn't need one, as the only possible use it could have would be to prevent him from hulking out at a key moment by instinct to save his life or others? Brilliant!"

The hulk is that dude she hulk is way weaker

I was hoping for Hulk to stop being Smart and use his brawns to force a point right after that cringe "catcall" dialogue she gave Too bad even in the 1v1 fights the writer made him look weak as fuck

@@javonteakingofgod283 she is by no means weak tho

@@pulatelephonics I know this

Bro, tbh working like 5 to 10 minutes making your master sandwich and your hungry asf, and you drop it, I'm pretty sure that counts as severe trauma. Lol

Sounds like some petty guy too me and everyone else with a sound brain

@@slimshell2448 I think that's the point.

@@KuroiRenge I also think that's the point, I'm not being sarcastic. Even if it sounds like it. I'm just making saying she's a b*tch

There are people doing this IRL.

yeah and it's just his thing, it's connected to his humour and everything, that's why I enjoy those fourth wall breaks, they're at least funny

Yeah it's his thing and his way of being a unique character

She Hulk ACTUALLY did that BEFORE Deadpool. Go figure😂. But she did it in dope ways🤷‍♂️

@@no.1spidey-fan182 Not so long ago, back when women were allowed to be sexy and actually funny. Now that's just called the "male gaze".

@@no.1spidey-fan182 I'm not saying Deadpool did it first, just that it actually makes sense. Unless she-hulk is insane too, which would explain the fact that she got superpowers and decided to become a lawyer instead of actually doing anything to help people

I couldn’t help but laugh at how ridiculous She-Hulk sounded while lecturing Hulk on how much more hardship she experienced. You know, the same Hulk who had to overcome a childhood with an abusive family and the same Hulk who saved half the universe with the simple snap of a finger.

That's why the She-Hulk series is woke af

@@Herb615 Even Bruce Banner was like: 😐😑🤨 the whole time when listening to Jennifer's petty problems. It was so laughable af. Seriously

@@Herb615 Don't forget that he was being hunted down by the US government for years, meaning he was constantly on the run. But of course being cat called is far worse than anything Banner had to go through.

you could say he did it single handedly ah ah *slaps knee*

oh god i can see it already

She-Hulk: "You don't understand what's it's like to suffer" Daredevil: "Yeah you're so right Jen I know fuck all about hardship don't I?" *Goes back to reading braille*

.8ab Nnn1.. Mwu

i hope he will be a type of character thats like "i don't give a fuck about you and your whining". i mean, when did Matt ever throughout his 3 season let anybody talk him down? also remember him schooling Danny for is childish behaviour in Defenders? yeah, i hope he will be like that here, confident and mature so she won't be able to pull this stupid shit on him even tho she can kill him in 1 punch. i didn't watch a single episode so far, and i probably still won't even with Daredevil in it, unless he does anything along these lines. i also get it that it's nothing for them to loose 1 person watching their stuff, but i really can't stand it at this point. this direction they've chosen is really not my cup of tea. i couldn't even finish last episodes of WandaVision and since then i didn't bother checking any other series i wanna believe they will do him justice because they know people love Daredevil and will go apeshit if he is heavily tainted by this circus, like hulk and thor were, also it wouldn't make sense if he is a clown in this one and then is written like a sigma male in his own solo series, which is suppoused to be in darker tone. but it's not likely. all of these shows felt like they were testing the ground - how far they can go.

It bothers me how much people like you and the others who replied to you don't actually understand Daredevil or actually read his comics. Let's stop using Matt to downplay the struggles of women and sexist retorts.

Agreed

I think I might print this and stick it on my wall. Sincerest thanks!

Hat tip to both of you. Your sardonic styles of modern critiques have constantly helped me to calibrate my tastes for what I see and should avoid of modern media mediocrity. Salute. 👋🥃

Came to this video after Drinker mentioned it on his Open Bar 🍻

@@pappasays3932 I watch almost all of his streams - typically this was the one I missed!

Yes!! Yes!!!

From the mouth of one man into the ears of another. And then you congratulate each other lmfao how sad. Watch F.D Signifier's video on Candace Owens to better understand why you're both wrong and also are transparently unable to put yourselves in the mindset of women. Laughable content boys.

@@littlebunse5 I mean, I do have a lot more in common with my fellow female fork lift drivers that are for example casual MCU fans like me, than they have with rich NYC layers that would name people calling them sexy as one of their biggest struggles.

@@Assywalker yeah but the thing is things don't have to be about MORE or LESS oppressed, fun fact women ARE harassed more than men for their sex, and even the richest most detached women are valid when they critique patriarchal culture that still exists prevalently today. And frankly I'd trust a wealthy woman's opinion on women's rights over "the casual mcu fan" anyday lmao as shown by the casual sexism shown in this comment section. A show made for women? More like WINE MOM SHOW OOOOO GOT EM HOW DARE WOMEN LIKE MY HEROES THEY DO IT WRONG AUAIGJJHHHHH thats how you guys sound rn

@@littlebunse5 get your testosterone and vitamin d3 levels checked bud

@@littlebunse5 Another fun fact, while it is true that women are more likely to be subject to harassment and sex-related crimes, men are more likely to be victims of every other crime.

So what keep in mind she just got out of a car crash you think she in the mood to be hit on by some boys and besides we don't even know if Bruce's father is in the MCU

We dont know about Bruce's father but we do know about him being hunted down by the military constantly to the point that literally spilling a drop of blood in Guatemala almost got him captured and experimented on, the guilt of hurting people, his rampage in Sokovia, his own struggle with Hulk constantly attempting to gain control, Hulk being demoralized, refusing to come out and finally losing someone he loves.

@@animezilla4486 what exactly are you even talking about?

@@seige8621 it's shilling

@@animezilla4486 and bruce literally got stranded off world 💀 is that comparable to catcalling

Yea they just said women are angrier and that’s that. Honestly as a guy when I hear that I just care about the subject of women less and that hurts their sex in my eyes.

@@Mythowars Yes, I feel the same and it makes me love men even more

I guess they're saying men can handle anger better XD

Won’t fly because that’s too good of an idea

@@Mythowars too is blocked l xs scan lol

i can also confirm that when she says "I do it infinitely more than you" i just groaned and almost turned off the TV

Glad to hear it, welcome aboard!

Agreed

@@TheLittlePlatoon That’s not much of a compliment, but your vids are actually good!

🧢

@@dryfox11 lol . It’s like saying he’s better then trash lol . Wow gee thanks .

Some of my favorite TV shows of all time, FMAB, AOT, Avatar the Last Airbender, Stranger Things, have strong male leads but also female characters that shine. and they shine NOT because they are female, but because they are great CHARACTERS, who happen to be girls. They don't complain about their struggles, both the guys and girls in the show suffer equally, and no one is shocked when the girls carry their own weight. I couldn't imagine enjoying a show where, say Winry from FMAB, lectures Ed and Al about how hard her life is as a female automail mechanic, where her coworkers don't trust her. Meanwhile, Edward is missing two limbs and his brother doesn't have his own body. Its the same as telling Bruce, "yeah, can't imagine why you were angry or depressed all these years, being different and isolated, having to go through these things all on your own. I was getting catcalled so..." Like fuck off. Women can have real problems too. getting catcalled is an annoyance, but it does not *define* She-Hulk. Bruce's past *defines* Hulk. And if it really does define her, then it shows she wasn't written as a character first, but a female with no story.

Is it really that hard to write a good female character? By how you write a good character in general?

And still that stuff isn't nearly as bad as suicide and being murdered.

@Funhistani sup baby, what you doing later?

@@anthonyontv1061 💀😭😭

Damn that’s deep

A LOT of men sit back. My aunt had me watch a bollywood version of pride and prejudice which directly called the mother character a goldDigger. 3 months later I begin to ask her about it and her eyes glaze over and she makes this highpitch noise for a voice and acts like she has never even heard or concieved of the word goldDigger. I sat back and did my best not to laugh and just let her go ahead and pretend. Her entire group of lesbians do that and I felt pitty like looking at a child and about to tell them santa claus doesn't exist. This took years of gaslighting me for this to work but Women use these tactics pretty commonly to emotionally control men

@@jackhhun2698 lol

Underrated comment. They could have humbled she hulk and made her much more likeable if bruce scared her with a slight burst of anger while explaining the hardships he went through controlling a monster that could level cities.

I interpreted the purpose of that scene to show that she can’t control her anger as she gets more mad she transform I don’t think it was trying to ignore or take away from Bruce’s trauma but that’s just me

This might be an unpopular opinion but I liked The Incredible Hulk.

Jessica Jones is such a breath of fresh air in retrospect. I did not appreciate it enough at the time

yesss Jessica is such a good character, her character has layers and she's been through so much. They don't write her focus on just being a woman ,they gave her a unique personality. I luvv Jessica Jones she's my favorite. Besides daredevil hehed

Jessica Jones = 🐐

This is the best (and most accurate) comment about “strong female characters” in Marvel that I’ve read so far - completely agree (and not to mention that Jessica Jones is an absolute BADASS too!)

Season one was good but 2 and 3 weren’t that great, however season 3 of Jessica Jones is a 100% on rotten tomatoes masterpiece compared to She Hulk.

What if this is part of her story arc?

@@Chronz That would require the writers to either think of or even want to go with that idea

I think it'd be so cool if that's her story arc. My hopes are buried 6 feet down so I don't expect it in the slightest. She has potential for actually fantastic character development, but knowing the team behind the show I *highly* doubt it's going to happen

@@Chronz then it's not well written, nor interesting to watch like it's depicted. It's cringe at the max.

maybe im dumb but isnt that the exact point of the scene to show that actually she cant control her anger and so its bullshit she can do it better ?

That entire argument lost most of its punch when the same feminists who were so vocally against catcalling later said they missed getting attention from random men on the streets, indicating that it wasn't the attention they were against, it was likely that the men giving it weren't their "type".

Oh come on we need women to play that card its perfect. Hey i find this funny . We want equality . but hold on what ya want me to pick up the check for dinner oh no babydoll ya teh guy ya need to pay it , oh the rents due well i have my money you have yours . the place is in ya name that's ya responsibility Equality till the bill comes due and when it comes to living up to their accountability for things vs scrambling to demand friends pay the bill A girl i know had 5 different parties for be baby before it was born . each party she expected folks to chip in for the party and even drop money into a wishing well. i saw her contront a few excuse me ya didn't drop in anything into teh wishing well . come on ya gotta support my baby ya not a monster are ya . Guilt to no end . and OMG she would pass out a business card for some websites to visit with even a email of what she expected folks to buy the baby . I saw the sites and nothing was less than 150 dollars oh come on its for teh baby right . yea i dropped by to pick up her husband 7 months into her pregnancy. she was off and about doing some pre party stuff for yet anothere baby party thing . the garage had i swear must have been at least 3 years worth of diapers several strollers cases of baby formula that lined a wall top to bottom at least3 cases deep and 14 feet long , 6 cribs in boxes . 4 play pens and a bunch of spendy educational toys like baby Einstein stuff . . i happened to run across her ebay page once and she was selling the gifts there . yep just makes ya wonder sometimes

@@Dargonhuman ugh I know, it’s super annoying and narcissistic

Woman like you. Give me hope for the future

they had to make their shitty scene of "woman saves man, God forbid is the other way around".

I’m sorry but your complaining about comic accurate origins but aren’t even calling her by the right name? Doesn’t seem like accuracy is that big of a deal to you

I'm sorry but from all that you just zoned in on a name, never mind all the rest of it that makes total sense and would have made a compelling intro to her powers awakening. But sure zoom in on the name slip up 😂

I mean you do realize the origin we got in the episode was only slightly different from what he’s asking for right? Practically just missed the transfusion, is that really that important? I feel like it’s a detail that’s not super important to her origin

@@CamLaCreations NIGGA YESSS???? It was a big plot point in the comic books because she was being hunted down by killers because she was representing a snitch in the comic books it was more compelling when she got her powers plus it was a big decision for Bruce to make because he could alter her life forever and that was also a big plot point in the comics everything had a reason and you just hung up on a name rather than the actual point he’s trying to make. You should be a marvel writer with your level of intelligence

Especially when literally 'they' would have sufficed.

I will never understand their need to respect criminals whether fake or real. They are criminals call them that and nothing else.

Eh, the person could have respected all 562 genders and been a bit more inclusive rather than being as transphobic by not including them. What about xir/xem, zir/zem, and the other 560? Transphobia literally kills people.

@@punishedmatteson7108 LMFAOOOOOO

Yooooo, nice pfp

😂🤣.. this is hilarious. Took a while for me to get this.

Ayyyy, nice one. Reminds me of a similar joke about Amy Schumer.

Amazing comment!👏👏👏

@Funhistani Toxic Feminist Alert!!!!!

That’s a joke from a comedian

To be fair thats more on the actress not the writer. Actors elevate or just ad-lib lines although these are human shaped parrots that can only repeat generic talking points with zero independent thought.

@@stephenramos2824 wouldn't the director say to the actress how she should deliver her line?

@@leepicrandomaa they doo

when "incompetent men explain my area of expertise to me" that means she really sucks in her area of expertise

For a power that is emotionally driven at that. 😂

Damn

What's a *"Woman Splain"* Is that some kind of excercise?

Make that Professor Hulk. Because he is a professor. They are just bullying the past characters which is degrading for those that watch since the start of the MCU. An incompetent character is an unlikable character when they are the main character in the show it just make people struggle to watch from start to the end.

@@Berd-Wasted. if you're serious womansplaing is the counterpart to mansplaining which is when a woman has an overly condescending know it all tone/attitude and tries to tell a man how to do things like they're stupid. Mansplaining is the same thing just swap the genders

@@bluebandit9715 That sounds... Stupid.