Antarctica causes so many problems for Flat Earth 

You certainly don't have to do photography anymore now that you've sold your soul to promo codes.

@@Semper_Fish Meanwhile, here's you dreaming of having one to sell.

​@@Semper_Fish Cope

Watching the judgmental haters here, otherwise known as 'the left,' attack the so-called 'flat earthers' is so tiresome. When you go to a Star Trek convention and all these people walk around as aliens, none of them BELIEVE they're aliens. It is for fun! Entertainment. Same with the so-called 'flat earth' thing. Your first clue is: hundreds of vids like this mocking the so-called flat earthers, but have you ever seen a channel that actually BELIEVES the earth is a flat disk floating in space rather than a sphere? Show me one. Can't, can you? Sorry, this whole anti-flat earth thing is a sad joke. Worse, the only people on earth who don't know the earth is a sphere are lost times of indigenous people: the North Sentinalese, and remote tribes in the Amazon and Africa. So really people like you, Dave McKeegan, are mocking these indigenous people for their ignorance. Well, I say that's despicable. Leave them alone. We need to preserve the diversity of humanity, not mock it into submission under RU-vid videos and 'safe speech' rule of the leftist haters.

Why don’t you do the final experiment in Barrow Alaska or see the 24 hour sun in Alaska that would cost way less than going to Antarctica

Particularly since many of them have been saying that a 24 hour sun is impossible on the flat earth...

Thats the neat part of not having a model 😂. They have a separate one for every argument

​@@benjaminkoch2380They can't even explain day and night cycles with solar and lunar eclipses at the same time

@@SeanCrosser Honestly, I am expecting some to claim that there is some kind of space warp surrounding the southern edge of the dome that makes it appear as if the Earth is round. That would explain all the apparent contradictions.

​@@benjaminkoch2380 Flerfs have a utility belt instead of a model. Perspective! Fisheye! Angular resolution! Coffee cup caustic!

I feel the same way about the UK. And France. There's no way that a country that goofy could possibly exist. 😆

@@MrJustinOtis Based on your reply to a comment, I conclude that you are both AI, created using CGI due to perspective. If you can read this comment, then you are one of 'THEM'

I moved from the UK to the USA with all the paperwork for permits/visa etc that that involves. Now Im just a short distance away from the coast of the Gulf of Mexico. Watching and reading all this stuff from Flerfers I don’t feel comfortable with the idea of going to the beech for all the gun toting Penguins patrolling there. I can imagine they are all in an especially fowl mood due to the heat here.

@@africansinclair 😁😆🤣

@@erykmozejko3329 If you're near the gulf, it might be worth it to keep an eye out for when SpaceX is planning their next few Starship launches. Watching one of those would probably be worth the road trip!

admitting you're stupid and fell for something most people can easily debunk is always going to be hard. It's easier to dig in and say "nuh uh".

They explain everything with one word..... perspective

Absolutely this, or anything presented wont convert the die-hard FE's, heck at least some of those probably don't really believe it, but got a good business out of it rather. but anyone on the fence, who are not sure if the glove is flat or a sphere, those are the ones that can be convinced before it is too late, with these kinds of videos

@@domosautomotive1929 perspective makes ice wall looks like ice island, duh

Not all, though.

Also flat earthers: HA! He actually went to Antarctica? What a moron! 😆

Kinda like the average liberal in the US.

Also, nothing he said is a positive claim that refutes the generally accepted flat earth view of "Nu-uh."

“Math, logic and perfectly rational thought process why are you existing! I want to play with someone from Asia at the same time zone!!” Flat earther ignoring the fact that the Asian gamer is doing an all nighter

Thats all easy for Flerfs as they have a brain with nonfunctioning neurons, ie an anti-brain.

Or they would use math from Terrence Howard, where 1 power 3 equals the absolute value of pi 🤣

But they will still somehow manage to move the goalpost and argue that it works on a flat earth somehow. Probably with diffraction, they love that one.

​@@realbrickbread"I never got an invite. It was a lie. And the globies were on a CGI soundstage projection."

That first sentence is hilarious.

It will not destroy flat earth at all. Anyone who still thinks they can be shown proof of some kind and change their view is just as delusional as the flurfs are.

​@@realbrickbreadYesterday, one was confidently claiming that they will see a 25 hour sun "because the dome does it" No coherent explanation how the dome does it, buy clearly they have a feeling that things are going sideways for them and they can't understand why.

Exactly. They don't really provide us anything about their model for us to use against them. All they can do is attempt to poke holes in our model

I even heard that as defence. "But even if we ser 24h sun, it still only disproves this FE map, and not other models from x religions"

Some are already claiming that the 24 hour Sun would actually prove Flat Earth

@@korosensei4384 Which tells you they don't actually understand the models from those religions, as nearly all describe the sun travelling under the Earth at night via tunnels/rivers/etc, something that obviously wouldn't work with a 24 hour sun either.

Flerfs get really mad when you ask them to provide a flat earth-based atlas that can be used for actual navigation.

This is because we lived through a time where “they” will destroy counties because “they” know there are WMDs. “They” have done thousands of things to lose trust.

It's the internet. It's connected the earth socially. So it let's people of any shared belief or interst all get together. The issue this also creates is an echo chamber of, say, 10,000 people. They see all the people agreeing with them, and it gives them a sense of justification. They forget that 10000 < 8,000,000,000.

Love the anti science guys using their computers and cell phones to spread this crazy theory. They bring their car to mechanics, fly on planes, have indoor heat and air conditioning and more all due to people who understand scientific theories. Dunning-Kruger anyone?😊

You can be a science denier and still use science as a tool mate, Ugg-Bugg wasn,t an astrophysicist to make the first wheel.

Fantastic comment

Wait... how is flat earth not a negative score? Every "proof" failure should take away a point, even below zero.

I live in northern Europe. My favourite thing to do is just sit on my apartment's balcony on 11th floor and admire the Pyramids of Giza with my telescope (luckily there is no big cities in the way)

@Mart77 what a lovely view, eh? I can see the same from B.C. when I'm on the beach

@@cygospring1631 beautiful isn't it? Specially when the sunrise hits

That's why you make a list of "Things I need to take on my trip to debunk flerfdom".

Talking penguin??? I'm rich!

I'm new here. I love your dog. What is the dog's name?

It's more likely whatever country you are citizen to will punish you on return. There are no international organizations that patrol Antarctica for prosecution in some international court

At least it's not an Emu.

I try to ask flatties ‘how did early sailors navigate the oceans?’ It’s obvious that none of them are sailors or pilots or in the military or in any government in any country…

But all airlines and ports are "in on it", anyone who actually understands that the earth is flat would know this.

@@Planetdune I am a yacht skipper of 40 years. I have crossed many oceans. We use globe navigation. If the earth was flat we would never get to our destination. So are the stars and the sun in on it too, because we use sextants to navigate and forthat you need an horizen. Something you don't find on a flat earth.

​@@laxpainthave you seen the big thread? A 'never makes claims' flerf there is asking about navigation long distance. Might as well twist him further into knots!

I love the sheer absurdity of this comment. I wonder what "ifs" can still be here for you as late as 2024 and on this site, of all places, regarding the documented established immovable flatness. And on what substances should you be to absurdly claim out of nowhere that you'd "never reach" your destination on flatness. I wonder what, other than the unbelievable laziness, ignorance and indoctrination, made you lie so hilariously about the navigation that uses charts for stationary flat earth at all times and would be impossible, just as life itself would, on an inclined twisting pear comet that dashes millions of miles away on a crazy spiral. Show us ONE ship and ONE plane that navigate in such crazy world. No one's ever seen and will ever see a ship that sails sideways and upside-down or a plane that dips its nose every two minutes, compensates for curvature and rotation, and shows you anything other than perfect immovable flatness not hidden by any curve. How are you not even ashamed of your hilarious nonsense? Or do you all spew it to embarrass your own cult?

What if they explore and find FIRST HAND that their theory is wrong? No matter how much they deny it, they're interested in selling a narrative, not in finding the truth.

​@@michel0dythey've disproved themselves more than sphere earthers have

@@LiveInOC I noticed globetards have no logic

Of course not, they can prove everything in their kitchen by showing that water doesn't stick to a tennis ball.

I love how they could just sail in a random direction and find the ice wall, but somehow never do😂

Would be awesome but i really doubt that 😅 99% of them do not care about reality as long as they can consume their daily conspiracy brainwash 🙃

Eric Dubay has already moved the goalposts in one of his most recent vids by implying they’re using an “artificial sun” LMAO 🤣

​@@RobotacularRoBobEric who? 😁

The point of internet arguing is never to convince the person you're talking to but all the popcorn eaters that show up for the fight.

@@RobotacularRoBob Artificial? ?? 😭 MADE BY WHO?

But, he is a masochist.

@@JohnSmith-ux3tt oh definitely, you cannot even imagine how much! Crossing Antarctica on foot, solo, is only one of his numerous adventures. He is the ultimate survivor!

He's clearly a nasa UN alien communist from Atlantis paid by *them* to hide the thruth clearly

Suure.. my friend.. actually a neighbour did the same with pacific ocean!! alone.. on foot.. crossed it.. and his cousin walked to the moon and back!!

So it was about 5000 km.sure

​@MilTec.b can you try that again? try using punctuation and comprehensible sentences

@MilTec.b I think you're the only here that's confused, friend.

@MilTec.b What do you mean by "The surface of the Earth is precisely flat and has a very precise balance"? And I don't know any real scientist that is confused about the shape of the earth.

@@jensrogerkristoffersen5472 You're trying to engage with an AI bot. Waste of time.

@MilTec.byou may be trying to say level but even that wouldn’t make the earth flat, it would just be level with the center of earths gravity

Stop being so logical! You’re taking the fun out of FlErfing! FlErfs leading a blissfully ignorant existence and I won’t stand for your facting that up for them!

All true, but since Apollo there has been a shift in society, human rights, environment, aparthied... lots of 'other' things that took our attention away from 'collecting more moon rocks.'

Ain't never been, ain't never gonna go. The South Pole is as fake as your mother's love. Spinny ball; spinny ball; I belieb we livin on a spinny ball.

@@WCDavis-cl7sithanks for telling me that my Mom loves me, how nice of you.

@@WCDavis-cl7si yo mama

I'm in the latter stages of an essay on celestial navigation in the 18th,19th & early 20th century. Even the most ardent flerfs agree that such navigation was a 'Gold standard'. And yet, every element, every calculation is based on SPHERICAL trigonometry. Euclidean SOHCAHTOA geometry only features in shorter distance, coastal navigation, where, to reduce the amount of necessary calculation, we can " assume" that the earth is flat. The caveat is that the errors introduced by this assumption & approximation are smaller than the natural errors implicit in sailing & navigating a boat through 24 hours.

It goes into square hole

@@chassetterfield9559 Euclidean calcs will get you loxodromic routes, which are fine in a lot of cases, but definitely not for finding ones position from astronomical sightings, hah hah. Got a few celestial nav apps on my phone. I also looked into building a compact sextant using a sensitive digital inclinometer. Good fun.

It's more like a child picking up the ball with the square hole...then throwing the square peg in the trash and calling the ball useless.

Gleason's Maps explain the flight paths that look dumb on your globe. Also; 3DT.

Similarly, in South Africa, in the north near the Tropic of Capricorn, in summer, the days are shorter there than for the southern coast, about 1000km further away. The sun sets first for the northern part, which also goes to show that the sun does not set by going too far away.

North and south also have different constellations - how could that be possible in flat earth?

@1964mcqueen - You live in Canada? CANADA? Ha! There's a problem with that (😁). Y'see, Canada - like Australia - doesn't exist. Ask any Flat Earther. As for your 'facts' and 'evidence' and 'proof', well that's all imaginary brain-flooooof generated by the chemicals released by jet airliners carrying lizards disguised as humans to their mind-control headquarters on Mars. Mars is situated on the underside of the flat Earth, by the way. I'm tempted to say, "Prove me wrong", but I'm afraid Dave's doggie chum might bite me on the bum.

@@valivali8104 clearly everyone in the southern hemisphere is just lying about the constellations they see and edits every nighttime photo or video with stars visible to be the false "southern hemisphere" starfield. No one has ever admitted to this lie nor has any un-edited source material ever been leaked

@@ctsean that should be really easy to prove 😂 could just go there while live-streaming 🤣

“You can’t have your cake and eat it too.”

​@@jexelbur6872you can't cake your cgi and eat it too

@@tyl3nolmusic646 you are proving my point

Certainly on youtube they're either trolls or grifters. I've been trying for about six years now to have a civil, adult conversation with a "flat earther" in RU-vid comments and not one of them could ever do it. The second I ask a question that's problematic for their model, they run away. They 100 per cent know it doesn't work.

Grifters in it for the money. Trolls in it for the lols. The mentally ill who are true believers.

For a lot of them religion plays a big part - the Bible says its flat so it must be.

That dude who was using money from FLERFS to build a rocket, and died in it, finally basically admitted toward the end he didn't believe in flat earth, but could get money for his project so said he did.

I think their logic is basically that: don't believe anything others say to you no matter how good evidence they have. You should observe everything and prove/build up everything by yourself.

You don't even need a skyscraper, just a two-story building.

@@jmodified a tree in an open field....

@@5peciesunkn0wn Or a ladder.

@@jmodified yup lol.

There should be a badge of honour to reflect the fact that we have been booted from a flat earth echo-chamber.

Also, when going to a hostile place, like a desert, which Antarctica is, for the first time, it is advisable to make use of a guide or someone that knows the conditions. There are so many things that the general public don't know about (like what to do about water), that they would not survive the trip.

Naturally, if there's even the slightest obstacle they'll drag their feet, refuse to engage, call it fascism or whatever that it's even a requirement, then claim any footage was faked, and it's not fair that they can't just do whatever they want as Free People or whatever. Whatever the outcome of this trip, you can bet flat earthers will be absolutely exhausting in their whining about it.

@@clivedavis6859 Indeed, and its likely that getting a permit requires that you show that you have the right things in place to ensure survival. No country wants to be hauling corpses out of Antarctica all the time.

A big Portion of them are americans...

I can't afford an Antarctica trip, but just for fun I looked into the process. It's not difficult. Besides the permit, you only need a passport and travel insurance. U.S. citizens don't even need a visa for Argentina.

So go pay for his flight, flight boy. Go prove something. woo.

@@WCDavis-cl7si I understand the reality that the earth is spherical so I don't need to take the flight (that the flat earthers had no interest in). The flight is for the educationally subnormal and mentally ill who think the earth is flat. Naturally the grifters and trolls in the flat earth community know full well the earth is spherical so they have zero interest in this flight.

@@WCDavis-cl7siprove what. Woo. Clown.

@@WCDavis-cl7si you're the one making claims. The burden of proof is on you~

@@5peciesunkn0wn right, like saying _"I know how to bake a cake"_ but refusing to buy the ingredients for said cake, and since you are refusing to buy said ingredients you are the one that doesn't know how to bake a cake.

the government doesnt want you to know ships in the 1910s actually had warp drive

@@qhu3878 The Antarctic Government?

They've gone to plaid!

@@robotsonrockets no no, _the_ government. you know, the one government that controls everything

@@qhu3878 don't be ridiculous, those days they understood foil sailing !

And the politest one as well.

And on the equator you can see it rotating both ways

Perspective. Everything is explained by perspective

@@edby263 yes and FEs don't know what perspective really is, they just pretend they know

@@segganew The sky does not really rotate at the equator - all stars rise in the east and set in the west with a bit of an apparent curve towards north and south. But no star makes a full circle at the equator.

@@KonradTheWizzard Depending in which direction you look, this would make it seem as if the stars are rotating one way or the other

How smart do i have to be to realize how stupid i am/

@@user-ij5lc1kw8r I was laughing at first, gave you a thumbs up, but than - I thought of something, which I think should follow the laughs: The answer is surprisingly easy, and was provided by Einstein (?) if I remember correctly: if you follow the same procedure over and over again, while awaiting a different outcome - one is outright stupid.

@@shaihulud4515 Its Einsteins. It takes a genius to see one: Dunning Kruger Effect. In general, our brain functions mainly by pattern recognition. BTW: Einstein and I have the same birth number (33/6); The Life You Were Born To Live. Out of 45 birth numbers only 33/6 provides laser-eyes. Just for free.

@@user-ij5lc1kw8r Damnit! Was wondering about those laser-eyes the whole time!

@@shaihulud4515 Lets keep it between the two of us?

Or Australia

They change the topic about Antarctica to suit the conversation at that time. Everything from “it doesn’t exist” “it’s an ice wall” “it’s only a small part we can visit” to “it’s the entrance to a hidden land” “it’s accessible only through an opening in summer”. You name it, they believe in it even if it contradicts what they believe in. Anything but accept it’s a continent in the southern hemisphere… literally… anything

It was. It's quite amusing how quickly that's changed lol

Their goal post is breaking the speed of light

@@benjaminkoch2380 Actually flerfs moving goal posts could be the only thing quicker than the speed of light xD

Yeah. It feels like a really strange hill to choose to die on.

Are you confusing the indoctrinated masses of cult followers with those who originated the cult and are financially gaining from it, after it became a crucial part of the entire ideological worldview? Don't hilariously underestimate the amount of ignorant, lazy and crazy sheeple. Which humans are raised to be. Now any epithets of the sort regarding the crazy nonsense of the debunked globe cult?

Millions? Billions on billions.

And imagine what is really the end goal of it all was. The earth is flat? That is like billions of people making sure I don't know that my Lego box build is actually just made into a square!

My reply is gone YET AGAIN. The grifting McKeegan is such a pathetic coward.

While I love learning all the cool science that many other debunkers use, I love how Dave uses stuff that anyone can see and understand. No shade on Dave's knowledge - I'll just point out that anyone with an interest in sailing could have put this video together you don't need to be into sailing to see how it applies to the reality of the earth.

​@@allreddanWhat you said + the calm and understanding way in which he presents everything. He is my go to debunker just because people are more likely to believe someone who isnt ridiculing them

His videos are interesting enough even without the FE debunking. The debunking is really just a framework to hang a lot of interesting knowledge.

Unfortunately for Flerfs, all of known physics disprove a flat earth.

I love how none of you found even a single degree of curvature on the immovable flatness, and yet you keep daydreaming of "disproving" the observed documented reality that completely disproved the globe fairy-tales over the past decade, and that just in the newest era.

We ❤️ Rusty!!!

They are great companions, I swore I'd nvr get another dog after losing my golden lab. I lasted 4 yrs before my I caved in and brought my shih tzu home, that was 5 yrs ago now, and I can't imagine my life without him now

Every time I watch his videos i like to think the dog is thinking "who in the hell is he speaking to"

@@broggy52 I think that once a pattern has been established, they're generally accepting of things.

@@JohnDlugosz it's cute to imagine

not quite... a vampire finally recognizes the existence and effectiveness of garlic, while a flat-earther... ;p

Flat flat flat; all day long. It never changes; but you believe in vampires anyway. Flat do not need figure, number or math. Flat is flat. Why y'all so sure of something unreal?

@@deadmanschest4322 As a nocturnal humanoid with a garlic allergy I can confirm that the evil onion exists and is put into everything by the denizens of light to keep my people down.

@@WCDavis-cl7si except all the math says it's a globe and has for thousands of years. Thanks for proving his point that you can't count past 20 and fear any number bigger than 50~

Then there was a murmur... Um, sir, nothing below the equator works on the FE. Plus, lunch is going to be late. We gave the Uber driver a FE app to navigate, he's now 25 kms away, hang on, make that 26 kms, no now 27 kms away...

@@tysondog843 it was ditrh's app, wasn't it...

@@tjjones621 No, they Gave it to him. Dirth would have charged him, it's all about the grift for the King of grifting...

@@tysondog843 you fool! Uber is part of the conspiracy! How BLIND can you be??

​@@panmajin6895oh! how could I be so stupid

Exactly. The theists among them need the Earth to be flat for their favorite version of god to be true and for their lives to have meaning. The atheists need the Earth to be flat for their favorite conspiracy theories about the ultra-wealthy or The Matrix to be true and for their lives to have meaning. They can't stand the idea that they're responsible for their own actions and that the universe not only doesn't care about their existence, but is only amenable to life in one place (that we know of).

Some already claim that the 24h antarctic sun proof wont be valid if the clouds obstruct the sun at any point...

Yeah. I mean there is a livecam on the ISS...so yeah.

@@cornerpage6634 It's quite amazing how much FE simultaneously overestimates and underestimates technology. They say the ISS livestream is faked flawlessly IN REAL TIME 24 hours a day, but those same people will say other footage or photos are easily debunked. NASA and every other space agency on the planet is either really good at what they do or really bad depending on the argument they are trying to make.

I am fairly certain that most flat earthers are flat earthers because they have been convinced the bible says the earth is flat (it doesnt) so their faith is based partially on the idea that everyone is lying to them. Which is sad, because if you ask me that's some pretty weak faith.

timmmy! I went flat in 2018 goofus. And it is a Glober (that's your team) argument that you have 'luminaries in the toroidal field' that prove your globe. Atheists, Big Bang, and Ev-O-Lution are all BS (later). Work On Your Game; as in, your butt looks BIG in that toroidal field dress you're wearing.

Sarcasm? I'm not buying into any more of those stupid globe-earth government propaganda theories! I'm not a sheep! Wake up, sheeple!!!!!!😁😆😆😆🥒🍆🌊🌊🌊😆😆😆

My favorite is someone who just took the North Pole AZ Map and pizzasliced it, claiming timezones on a flat earth make more sense lol

It's crazy how they claim a globe earth is unrealistic and doesn't make sense but then get twisted up with these extremely complicated maps, models, and spiels of "reasoning" just to explain the sun. Or how distance on the earth works. Or why stuff goes below the horizon. Or literally anything that works fine with a globe.

Not to mention eclipses both solar and lunar in general.

@@brandonlyon730 lunar in particular. Because with the sun and moon above, what casts the shadow on the moon during lunar eclipses? Solar causes the problem of "constant solar eclipses in the southern hemisphere/flat/plane/circle/whatevertheywanttocallit

I mean, it's the same as going from a geocentric to a heliocentric model. Geocentrism needed a lot of tweaks (like planets having to loop around to account for the fact they were, in fact, not orbiting around the Earth) to get an accurate model, and when heliocentrism was proposed it worked way better, with less janky little bits. Sure the transition wasn't instant or smooth, but a working model was proposed and it made SENSE! Flat Earthers ain't the new Galileo (and the others before him), far from it -.-'

Someone should be at the north pole the same time and record a 24h night.

@@attila0323 flat earthers may not be that smart, but they are creative, I'm sure they'll figure out some wild way of explaining it

Yah , that's likely what they are working on ❤

It'd be wild to see them trying to push a map that centers the azimuthal equidistant projection around the south pole instead of the north pole. Have you ever seen what that one looks like? North America and Russia/China are massively distorted and mostly unrecognizable in that projection. Those areas plus Greenland basically form a wall that surrounds South America, Antarctica, and Australia. Not as well as the north pole centered AE projection makes Antarctica look like a wall. But it does the job well enough. I forget the link now but at some point a few years ago I used a site that came up as one of the top search results about the AE projection to generate AE projection maps based around different centers. You can feed it any coordinates you want, like centering it around the city you live in. And it gives you a pdf with the generated map. Out of curiosity I generated and saved five maps from it. I asked for 90S0E (south pole center), 90N0E (north pole center), 0N0E (center near Africa), 0N90W (center near central America), and 0N90E (center between India and Australia). It was kinda neat to see how they each turned out because of what's close enough to the center to look fairly normal and what gets massively distorted for being nearer to the edge. I think the one that's centered near Africa actually has the neatest overall look out of those options. Nothing is quite so far out that it morphs into a wall around the edge. Most continents maintain a fairly reasonable shape in that one. The other four projections I saved all ended up with at least one continent stretched around the edge. Something that I thought would've been a neat gag with generated maps like that (something which I did not generate or save at the time when I found whatever site I'm talking about) would be to change the parameters for generating the north pole and south pole centered maps to have them each only generate from pole to equator (nothing farther out than that) and then you print them both out and stick them back to back so that together they make up a "coin Earth" model to troll the flerfs with. (Try to sell that to them as the proper flat map. Something that's very much just taking the globe and squishing it flat in one axis. Like flattening a grapefruit in a hydraulic press.) There would be stuff on both sides that wouldn't get too distorted, although everything along the equator would be pretty ****ed.

the difference is that we already melted the north summer icecap, so they can't use that. once antarctica melts, they'll have a tough time coming up with anything. also: /)

They did have wheels with tyres, but predictably they were flat as well. 🌍👍

No they have "quantum goal posts"

They're now using hydrofoils.

They would seem to be mounted on one of those 110km/h sailing speedboats. 🤣

They've got rockets, but they don't work in a vacuum

Well Antartica is part of the Southern hemisphere afterall. And the more south you go the bigger the issues becomes for FE, and guess what lies at the most Southern point of the Southern hemisphere. So yes Antartica is like one of the biggest issues for FE

Also flight paths in the Southern Hemisphere are a massive problem for flat earth. For example, the direct flight from Sydney to Santiago is impossible on flat earth, and disproves the existence of a flat earth.

Forget about Antarctica and the Southern Hemisphere, they can’t figure out sunsets and sunrises in the Northern Hemisphere.

Okay; now we have something here. I will give you that the southern hemisphere is huge; area-wise by the Gleason Map, southern is maybe 3 times larger than the northern hemisphere. Trekking it, mapping it, and understanding it all is probably really complicated and lonely. Back to you, cupcake; reality is flat. 62 miles up is still flat. Why do you hang on to a fake ball?

Qantas offers nonstop flights from Johannesburg, South Africa to Sydney, Australia that take a little under 12 hours. Qantas also offers nonstop flights from Sydney to Santiago, Chile that take a little under 13 hours. And LATAM will take you from Santiago to Sāo Paulo and from there to Johannesburg in about 14 hours. These are times comparable to a similar circumnavigation at Northern Hemisphere latitudes (e.g. compare Boston->London->Tokyo->San Francisco->Boston; same number of stops and it's roughly the same). To do this on a disc that looks like a north-polar azimuthal projection, the distances would be gigantic and the planes would have to be going Concorde-fast (and the best routes would involve cutting way to the north--Sydney to Santiago would involve going over the Arctic, like when I went from Boston to Tokyo, only it'd be far longer). But they're using regular subsonic airliners. I can reverse the directions of travel and get similar results.

Stupid thing is also that according to flerts goverments are trying to control people by faking globe. And then it's flerts who say that you can't go to Antartica or space. That sounds control to me.

🎶 I've no more Fuchs to give...🎶

@@suzannepottsshorts what the fuchs

It’s very clear that the have no grasp at all of scale. Same for the argument that a plane must always nose down on a globe. They just can’t grasp large distances

@@tommartin2360 Altitude they express in thousands of feet but horizontal distance is in miles.

Your little compass needle would do a full 360; mission over, Mitch. Stop overthinking.

@@WCDavis-cl7si Actually, the compass needle aligns to magnetic poles, so compass behaves oddly in a circumnavigation of Antarctic or Arctic circles.

@@tommartin2360that is indeed true. Large things like planets to us would seem flat since we are so small. It’s like an bacteria on a bouncy ball

ePlease don’t use the word theory when describing flat earth. It’s an assertion not even warranting the title of hypothesis.

@@javm2825 Flat earth -law- -theory- -hypothesis- -assertion- brain fart, yes, that’s it, flat earth is a brain fart.

​@@javm2825 Excellent point, you need an entire framework of measurements, hypotheses, tests, and observations to be a theory. The most charitable terminology one could use for "flat earth" is "guess".

​@@javm2825flat earth is less of a theory than a matpat video, and matpat actually does research

Well, as no one, No one has ever produced a Flat Earth World map, that's not a projection of the Globe, with distance scale. I think they would be shocked by that historical first...

EXACTLY!!! This is why there is a $91M reward for the Flatearth map that can be used to plan the trip...

Easy; they claim the reflection of the dome changes the way the stars look.

They haven't explained why the moon waxes right to left in the north and right to left in the south either. Something to do with "perspective" I'd wager.

I read your comment a few times and I can't see what being a former marine has to do with the rest of your comment (which I agree with 100% btw).

Some of them are saying everyone has a local moon and sun. Literally.

@@orignal29 they think volunteering to be a mercenary for one of the worst countries on the planet makes them a good person.

Some of them suggest the sun gets bigger as it moves further away hence it appears the same size. Yet don’t explain how at the same time for others around the world it must be getting bigger as it travels towards them so it remains the same size. If only there was some sort of explanation of how sun can remain the same apparent size to two or more different observers throughout this day.

their new excuse is the glass dome around the earth bends light in a circle to cover all of Antartica, conveniently ignoring their model is now incapable of lighting up the equator in order to do so, or how the sun is now a giant flat band.

The how does it get night at all?

@@erykmozejko3329 "personal domes" is their usual excuse

But there's your problem: that is a rationalization; and rationalizations require logic…

That’s something Dave does really well. He makes these videos educational and interesting even for people that don’t deny reality.

That's harsh!

It's a chilling fact if true.

Just like in a cult?

They're not cool with it.

That snow way to behave.

I went through it once, middle of 1987, aboard the USS Nimitz. Tossed us around like a tin can. Upper props even cavitated when cresting waves. Cheers sailor!

@@joerichardson4325 wow, bigger ship than we were on. Those waters are amazing. Nothing like 25 to 30 feet swells.

Coming back through it in 2005, to Ushuaia, on a Russian Icebreaker, Storm Force 12, was an experience I never want to go through again!

@@joewhip9303 Who aboard was NOT puking?

@@RideAcrossTheRiver I do not get sea sick but there were a lot of green faces!

Another excellent reason to focus on the globe map they all would use to get there... and across town. LOL

And a Starbucks on every corner

Don't forget the Mcdonalds and Four different gas stations right next to each9ther off the exit ramp.

Not in Finland. In conclusion: Finland is more empty than antarctica.

Finally, I found an affirming Frenchie. Too bad none have replied to the linked interview, that would help Dave's case a lot.

I’m French too. The way Gabart says ”you always turn left” is obviously a comparaison with driving a car, and it clearly means that at each waypoint (or intersection in a car), you have to turn left. That is so evident in the context of the interview that flatists are just ridiculous.

Sadly for you, however, no such thing as an opposing "south pole" exists. And polar nights can be found only in northern latitudes, with no such thing documented in any Antarctic videos. Nor do Antarctic "crossings" exist, with even official legend stating that Antarctica is too vast and too lethal, and not just for random 'skiers", but even for serious machinery and airplanes. And that bathroom plot didn't make any sense in your story. Try to come up with a better one the next time.

@@maladetts I can't tell, are you being serious? If so, where was I for ten months in 1998?

@@Phylaetra You tell me. And inform us where you've been for the past ten years, since the start of the flat-earth research and during its rise right on this site, with the above topic massively covered.

@@maladetts well, I _did_ tell you, but you don't believe me. I wintered at Amundsen-Scott station, the sun was up 24 hours (really, for 6 months), the it set om March 20th, and it was twilight until mid-April or so, then dark until late August, when the night sky started to brighten. We finally saw the sun appear again on September 21st. Then the sun was visible 24 hours a day again the rest of my time there. There was a guy who had set up a camera that pointed in a fixed direction, so you could (if you wanted, back then) have seen video evidence. There are thousands of people who have been to the south pole in the austral summer, hundreds who've wintered. I did see the "midnight sun", and while that could be either pole, since it was January through March and then September until I left in October, it could not have been the North Pole. The sun's altitude above the horizon did not visibly change even over a week, so I must have been at (or very near) a pole. At night, I could see the Southern Cross high in the sky, and Orion's belt was at the horizon, legs pointing upward for me. That did not change the entire time I was there, though the direction I had to look to see it circled once every 24 hours. I saw this all myself, and am reporting it honestly to you. I think I was at the South Pole. You do not. Now, I could be mistaken about where I was, but I am not about what I saw and when I saw it. So, I ask you again, where do you think I was, if not the South Pole? Where could I have seen what I did? Along with the other people who were there? And everyone who's been there before and after? As for where I have been the last ten years, Portland Oregon- and I have only just recently seen this channel. Flat Earth nonsense doesn't really interest me all that much, but I saw the recent video about going to Antarctica, which does.

@@Phylaetra I repeat what you haven't registered the first time. No such thing as a "south pole" exists. It would imply a spot capping an entire opposite hemisphere that would be upside-down to another one in the north. At the same time, it would be inclined and twisting, while flying millions of miles away under a mess of stars, excluding any fixed stars and fixed constellations. Meanwhile, none of you globe-nonsense lovers have shown a single trace of such magic world. I repeat, so far polar nights can be found only in northern latitudes, with no such thing documented in any Antarctic videos. You would surely have first-hand evidence of such occurrence if it really was true, and the humanity would gladly look at it - so what's the holdup exactly? I'm ready to believe your account when you support it by any actual evidence, and after you explain why you would call the established documented reality "nonsense", while insisting on the globe nonsense precisely. In the meantime, tons of people have been to the Antarctic shores, and yet no one presented any evidence of an upside-down "pole", bending level, capsized oceans or Antarctic polar night. As for your region, it's not that far from Seattle where the famous Mark Sargent resides. You might wanna check out the visual aid he provides on his channel, as well as his weekly radio shows, to understand more about the topic and the Antarctic question specifically. Even more detailed information on this issue you can find in the videos by Eric Dubay. And I assure you, all the documented Antarctic evidence has been carefully examined by the flat-earth research. With your new evidence, if any, the position on the issue might be corrected.

"Thanks Bob" (RIP)

Yes. Clocks move, Genius. Earth; and the Gleason's Map are God's Perfect Face Clock. Drift on that.

You believe somebody crossed Antarctica? Did you see it in a movie with Mel Gibson?

​@@WCDavis-cl7siDo you believe your dad is coming back with the milk?

@@WCDavis-cl7simultiple people have.

@@JSSTyger He tries to claim reflections off the dome, which perfectly match when they don’t, which requires the sun be outside his dome to work while at the same time it has to be over the Tropic of Capricorn. He just wants you to accept it without questioning him on it. He can’t even be bothered to provide citations for how it works beyond just google coffee cup caustic and then saying it matches perfectly without showing his work only caring that it lets the light get to the other side.

It's hilarious when he goes off with word salad explanations . I believe he created his own brand of science with appropriate babbling nomenclature .

@@user-pj1lo1ry2k What’s more funny is what happens when someone calls him on when he does it whining about defining what word salad is hoping everyone will forget what he just did. It seems in his mind he thinks he’s doing nothing wrong as he thinks he’s actually saying something but especially when it comes to electrostatics, the more you know the more he makes no sense but to his marks he sounds smart.

@@Isolder74 I never never ever would have thought this flat earth obsession would be an issue as a kid in the 60s.

Not so much a brain, but reading the instruction manual without removing the cellophane wrapper.

I was Glober until 52. So; maybe you'll understand when you're older.

@@WCDavis-cl7si did you know: you can buy a trip to antarctica for about $8k

@@tygical Yes I know that. So?

​@WCDavis-cl7si Lol, after hearing a geriatric give anecdotal evidence that he stopped believing in reality after his mental decline, I have decided to change my views! Said nobody, ever. Come on gramps, get it together 😂

Yes. That is why the Gleason's Clock is God's Perfect Face Clock; patented in 1892. Change that, Killa!

@martinbaxter4783 The globe model can't hold water.

It might not be in the dictionary, but it is written on the ceiling

Ive had the same conversation. He insisted that english is not a language, only a dialect, and that words have hidden meanings, except when they don't.

"Jeran has cholera. Stop travelling Y/N?"

Ad hoc rebuttals are staples of pseudoscience.

They don't have _a_ model. They have many different ones depending on what they're arguing for at the time, and all the models contradict one another.

flustered, frustrated and confused? Not me. You belieb in an outdated model constructed before telescopes. Think about that. A telescope disproves you. Who is dumb now; with you believing that the ocean drops 6 feet at 3 miles away? Telescopes say you lie. Shhh. But keep arguing with me. And: Imagine what else you will deny tomorrow.

Damn , they're gonna jump on that 😂

i mean, this is true in a way, but also not really.

This is actually the way Middle Earth is in the Lord of the Rings books. Well, sort of. The planet was originally flat, but made curved by the Valar to prevent humans and other impure species from accessing Valinor. However, the Elves still see the planet as flat, which is how they're able to see so far.

check a physical copy of the 1958 encyclopedia for coordinates of the dome. shhh. now continue on with belief in the globe; you are doing great. that is all.

@@WCDavis-cl7si You mean the part about naturally occurring ice domes? 13,000 feet tall? Hardly enough to cover the earth, don't ya think?

@@SuperDavidEF and away he runs as soon as he's called out lol

​@@WCDavis-cl7siso you guys have a copy of that? What a rip-off! And you believed them😂 the invisible "dome" now has co-ordinates😮 if you got there what will you see (remember its invisible and made of glass i mean no its made of water😅)

Yeah. All I would need to believe in a flat earth is video evidence of someone going up to the wall, idk tap on it, throw a plunger up the wall to make it stick, anything to prove this dome exists.

you might be psychic. that would be around 8000 people today (17 Jul '24), compare that to the combined average viewership of jeran, witsitt, & ditrh's channels and...

Unfortunately it seems that number is growing every day

@@wesleybailey2094 it's only growing via multiple bot accounts.

Every. Single. Day.

Well you have to be quite a storm of things to be a flat earther. 1. stupid. Obviously. 2. lacking in basic reasoning skills 3. distrustful of most people 4. religious (unfortunately) I say this as a Christian but I dont think people are flat earthers for non-religious reasons. They take several things in the bible talking about the planet (which, people back in that day didnt really often talk about the celestial body we reside on, so its more often talking about the general local area or all the nations of the world), a lot of which where metaphorical word pictures (the foot stool one being the most egregious example) and taking it all laughably literally. And look as a Christian, if the bible says it, its true. If its proven not to be true, im not going to assume im being lied to, im going to assume the bible was interpreted wrong. Because the bible will never say anything that isnt true, but I also wont just blindly deny what's in front of my eyes.

That's likely how the ancient civilisations figured it out. "All big celestial bodies are balls and Earth is big, so Earth should also be a ball".

@@dudono1744and also the fact that the moon and sun can appear at the same times too

Their excuse is that "no map is perfectly accurate," which while technically true (the best kind of true) ignores just _how_ distorted theirs is, as you pointed out.

Try approaching it as if there is no argument. Tell them they are wrong because you use the exact same map of the globe Earth they use for turn by turn directions. It turns the tables on them and makes them their own undeniable globe proof. Their map is literally the one and only physical proof they own... and it's the globe! lol It's the biggest secret of the FE and I call it comedy gold!

The best tip I’d offer is to pin them down on particular points and don’t let them change topics. Call them out for it when they do. They likely won’t concede any points, but you can at least show everyone else that they’re using dishonest tactics.

The point isn't showing _them_ they're wrong. The point is to show it to any clueless bystanders who can't tell by themselves.

You can't, *but* you can make them twist themselves into knots until they contradict themselves and point that out! It drives them mental and shows how publicly dishonest they are to everyone else lol The badge of honor is making a flerf delete their whole thread.

"Flat Earth isn't meant to proved." Yep. That's the sign the people making FE videos know it's a grift.

Flat Earthlings would have to acknowledge that the continent of Antartica exists! Remember, the 'Ice Wall of Doom' is holding the world's oceans in place on Pizzaland!!! Then they get to make up stuff as to why a 24-hour sun doesn't prove anything...the latest rage is the aircraft's 'pitch data'! This is the drivel Oakley is spewing now...go figure.

Everyone working there would get fed up of nothing but pancakes on the menu. "Why can’t we have meatballs on the menu?"

That would require them to go to another country, continent, when they have never gotten out of home town. They are all brainwashed, a failed education system. Only skill is on a computer gaming.

She can't really be in Antarctica since nobody can go there. Thus, we know she must really be in an alternative location where "they" are faking Antarctic stuff. 🧠

​@@chrisbenson6683Probably in an underwater tank. Because reasons.

Exactly, the reason most tourists visit the North African countries along the coast and not the interior.

Not that long ago the Sahara wasn't a desert and there have been incredible archeological discoveries there, Gobero as an example. People thrived in that area and lived there for thousands of years before the most recent cycle of desertification replaced the "Green Sahara." If you were betting on where the next huge discovery about human civilization in the time period of between say, 5,000 to 14,000 years ago is going to take place, its probably going to be in the Sahara.

I say... LET THE FLERFS GO! :)

Who do you think made it dangerous? NASA OF COURSE. Check made globe heads hahahahah.... Wait......

@@quinnalexander3825 so close...

It not lies, it's just bullshit!

@@davidg4288 oh, as in they're just blurting out any old tosh without any deeper thought? Yeah, that seems accurate

Simple, just add an 's' to 'model'.

it's a model, just not a working one

There's a flerf on here (onelight) who said that the flat earth model is simple and the globe is complex. When pressed, he said if you take a bowl and add some water and stones and put a light bulb above it, you have a valid flat earth model, but there is no globe model because you can't make water stick to a ball! Yep.

You put "model" in quotations lol

@@5peciesunkn0wn You can do that when writing. I was referring to in speech. I guess you can do the “air quotes” thing.

On wheels, yes. And the wheels are attached to a Formula One racing car.

Or they simply forget that very thing has already been done but of course not for them specifically so it doesn’t count. Why bother doing it just for them anyway? All they will do is declare it fake.

Kelsey at 74-Gears made a challenge where he was renting an airplane, and everyone would have to pay their tickets but no profit. Zero flerfs were interested to find out the shape.

@@freddan6fly And they did was complain that he wasn’t just giving to them for free. Whitsit even tried to use it to imply that all such offers are scams while completely lying about what actually happened. And like usual with him he refuses to provide any information to back himself up. Look it up you can find it, no it’s your responsibility to provide references to what you are claiming in a debate and not insist that your opponent look these things up on demand as you know they can’t do so in the middle of conversing with especially when you toss out 4 - 6 versions of the same thing out at once. If you don’t provide the citation and show your work on each one then dismissing them is not a handwave dismissal. You did not provide the evidence and therefore a claim without evidence can be ignored. Explains why he still can’t understand that posting the ‘correct’ answers in an algebra test without showing your work got you accused of cheating, because you were.

Goal posts on wheels? Don’t be daft, they are mounted on the starship Enterprise… and that’s going at warp factor 10

All these years later, a group is planning to go for only ONE joke! ;-)