As a 23 year old man hearing others my age argue like this really encourages me to keep my mouth shut, listen, think, and wait to really debate theses things bc damn i must be dumb af.
It takes some people longer than others to think outside of their own existence. Unfortunately as we've seen en masse of late, some never reach that point.
I’m in my 30s and STILL know there is MUCH to learn. I used to be left leaning but have definitely come to the center. The right is wrong most of the time, but definitely not all. Both sides think they’re right, but that of course can’t be true. When it comes to keeping your mouth shut, don’t. Asking questions is the best way to gain more knowledge. Trying to figure out what is BS and what is not is the challenge.
@@HypocritesExposd Spit on …. Don’t keep your mouth shut kid, being involved in open honest discussion is critical to learning … But more so, having respect , empathy and truly trying to listen to the other persons viewpoint and wanting to understand it. If you can do that last bit you’ll be a good person who can make a difference … And hey don’t worry about being wrong, you can learn more off that often then being right , but if you try and understand other peoples views who you may not agree with rather than just dismissing them because they are different to yours is the key … keep debating - with respect …
Note on the AIDS pandemic: you are legally required to disclose that you are AIDS/HIV positive to someone before you have sex with them. You're also not allowed to donate blood. There are plenty of legal restrictions based around people who may transmit AIDS/HIV, so this guy's point falls flat
i bet this kid is big on the transwomen "trapping" men, too. "you better tell me the moment I walk up to you what's in your pants or else I'm justified in murdering you to defend my fragile manhood!"
@@leelindsay5618 how is this a point? do you know the difference between an epidemic and a pandemic? how does this is add to the conversation at all? 🤔
The epidemic happens to a single country. Pandemics are international. AIDS was a disaster because of Reagan bit AIDS was managed better by many other countries. Reagan murdered gay people left and right and only after millions died from AIDS and it was all over the straight community did we act.
Honestly always found that slogan annoying. 😆 and both sides use it too! Its because people do their own inept research that they believe all kinds of stupid shit 😆😆
He is more than likely the smartest person in his social group... this allows us to view the state of education for those under 30 in conservative circles
@@tamarak9393 he's the one they go to when they need to set the record straight... 🤣 In all seriousness, the caller's argument was so poorly executed that it actually provided comical relief for the majority of us. However the thought of these poor souls acting on their right to cast a vote and also influencing others to vote is cause for concern
Yeah, the "my body, my choice" rebuttal might make sense if pregnant women were able to INFECT other women with pregnancy, lmao. But when dealing with matters of public health, "my body, my choice" is a nonsequitur.
The three people ganging up on him imply that he's a racist. Then make the bad faith inference that you quoted when its painfully obvious that he brought up his black girlfriend as it discredits the idea that he wants only white people in the country. He even explicitly states this. You people are legit as brainwashed as alex jones fans jesus
@@user-sf9gs2pg1b Yea that's fair. Very few people would admit they are wrong. But I hope some of Sam's arguments stay with him and chip away at his belief system over time. He seemed like a genuine, naive young guy that was just brainwashed into this ideology
People with no knowledge of what a covered entity is or a business associate love to throw around HIPAA in contexts that make zero sense. In this call's case, a company that is interviewing a prospective worker.
The constant misrepresentation of HIPAA drives me nuts. It’s not that hard to look these things up but clearly people like this dude just repeat talking points from other misinformed wing nuts like MTG or Boebert.
The caller is clearly misinformed. But Sam's statement at 12:53 seems out of line with current practice. When does Sam imagine an employer asking a candidate, "Do you have any communicable diseases?" The US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission makes clear that a question like that should only (if ever) be asked after an offer is made, i.e. without contingencies.
say... 1/100,000 people died from SARS CoV-2.... Lets pretend it was closer to 1/10,000... Most of these people were in poor health and SARS was just the final straw.... 1/35 people getting Myocarditis and an endless list of other side effects.... I'll take my far less than 1/10,000 chances
Not to mention that “natural immunity” isn’t permanent, especially for highly transformative diseases like the Flu, the common cold (which always mutates) and now Covid. Guy is immune from a strain of Covid, which loses its effectiveness within 6 months.
I am not in any sense of the word conservative, but I have not had the Covid-19 vaccine. I told my GP, who has given me all my vaccines, including the shingles vaccine, that I am unvaccinated with regards to Covid, but will get vaccinated against Covid-19 as soon as she can administer the vaccine. When I told her that I have been exposed to Covid at least 4 times in the past few months, but have not got Covid, her response was, it is very unlikely that I have not had Covid. My dentist, who I would also accept the vaccine from, agreed, and added that he, who is vaccinated and boosted, has probably had Covid, but doesn't know because he has never been tested. About two weeks ago, I was at by brother-in-law's retirement party, and my youngest niece, who is vaccinated and boosted, was gibing me hell because I'm not vaccinated. Now she and her hysband both have Covid, but I still haven't had Covid, to the best of my knowledge. BTW, I am 68 years old, and will soon be 69 years old.
Actual Libertarians are pretty far left (anti prohibition, pro-choice, pro-LGBT etc) so I hate to see them roped into blanket conservatism but there's a lot of crazy evangelicals & stoned Republicans falsely claiming (and polluting) that label unfortunately
Definitely. Most people are very very shallow in their understanding of the world. - before our boy Pedro Cruz jumps in: I have a masters degree in human physiology.
@Pedro Cruz Uh, are you good? A 7th grade reading level is pathetic, anyone could read at that level if they put in a menial amount of effort. He's not being a know it all.
This guy was PAINFUL to listen to. The HIPAA argument was just ridiculous. How is it that so many people still don't understand what HIPAA actually is/does?
Almost everything this guy says is ignorant, and I don't know why HIPPA is part of the convo. When I was 22, I knew people who WISHED the polio vaccine had been available when they were kids, because they lived through it. I knew people who WISHED the government had mandated measles, et al vaccines, because of family/friends who would have lived. Today there are living people who might have died, and dead people who would have lived, but for the Grace of Choice.
For those that don't know, it doesn't bar anyone from asking you anything about your medical history, that's absurd. It stops people from sharing what they do know about your medical history without your consent.
I wish they got him on not knowing that HIPAA doesn't prevent people from asking you. It just prevents your doctor/medical institution from disclosing without your permission. Super common myrh
Its because you have to disclose a card in order to keep your job... thereby disclosing your medical information. You cry babies should be on the side of having a choice of what you put in your body..
Well I wouldn't only say that for a previous job of mine we couldn't tell details of events due to HIPAA regulations so it's not just from doctors/medical standpoints.
It would also prevent any entity who has your information from disclosing your information to a third party without consent but yeah. The idea that asking you upfront is a violation is bogus.
Eviscerated. Wow. This guy is just constantly so confidently incorrect. It is honestly amazing. He just gets destroyed on one point and moves on to the next and repeats over and over again.
The biggest problem for him. Is that he's 24....lol you have soo much false confidence at that age. He learned some surface level shit and thinks he's brilliant. Then he gets pushed and is like uhhhh subject change haha
This guy is hopeless. Whenever he gets absolutely nailed on a point he changes the subject or moves off on a tangent. And he's relentless, there's no pause to acknowledge "oh yes you're right about that" or "I might have got that wrong", he just keeps going and going with no self awareness, let alone shame.
It’s actually natural to go ‘well what about this’. It’d be nice if everyone took the time to acknowledge other peoples points where and when they have them but in reality most people associate being wrong with negative consequences and obviously seek to avoid them. A lot of brain stuff but basically when you are ‘proven wrong’ in conversation it is natural to trigger a fight/flight response. But to your credit it would be nice if more people could learn to anticipate these reactions and hopefully be able to think more clearly during interactions.
He doesn’t even understand that HIPAA pertains to healthcare workers sharing your medical info not the individual being asked to share it, in which one can refuse due to privacy rights. If that was the case you couldn’t asked your friend who broke their arm what happened since them sharing their own info would be a HIPAA violation xD
Caller didn't have a leg to stand on...had no salient points for his position...he tried to use his feelings as facts and flat out made up points to argue on.
@@roqm1248...Yet we are the ones that apparently "don't like facts" or thought that "facts cared about our feelings". It's a toss up to me which is the most disgusting trait of the current GOP and their supporters, the denial and/or demonizing of objective reality, or the hypocrisy that drips from every word they say and action they perform.
I'm actually surprised Sam didn't catch this, but HIPAA laws actually only apply to people in the healthcare industry and anybody asking someone about their medical history isn't a violation. HIPAA laws involve the protection of your private medical information from the servicers and the people who store that information. Ex: A hospital cannot share your medical information with anyone without your consent. But if someone ASKS YOU your medical information and you tell them, you have therefore consented to having them know. Now of course you don't have to provide someone your private medical information if you don't want to, but they also reserve the right not to provide you with a job if you can't verify that you are not a medical danger to the other employees around you.
I caught that, too. I was like Yo Emma, Sam, tell this kid HIPAA applies to providers that store your information. Its not illegal for people to ask you questions lol
But doesn't it change the situation if you are REQUIRED TO ANSWER the question in order to get a job? That is what I figured the difference was in accordance to the HIPAA violation. Otherwise how would the workplace know if you are telling the truth or not?
@@Armeddragon12 Employers can require health standards for their employees if there is an articulable need for doing so. HIPAA is only a law that affects healthcare providers or those who process medical information.
These people would have you believe if you walked up to a random person on the street and asked them (random survey) If they've ever been sick with anything, you've committed a crime. They really believe that if they have a cold and you know about it and you tell someone else about that, you've broken the law. That's exactly how they think HIPPA works. No strawman. No exaggeration. That's it. It's absurd.
@@legionanonymous3165 yea an arrogant falsely confident young adult. Boastfullly challenging a veteran on the subject or in the field.... pure gold 👍👍👍
Nah, it’s the folks who are 10, 20, even 30 years older than him that are worse. He’s just a youngin who’s believing the nonsense the older generations have taught him. But he does need to grow up.
When I was 7, I had polio which left me dropping out of school while I recovered and relearned to walk. The idea that someone want to infect others with a deadly disease is a social issue. Amazing how conceited the caller is.
Honestly. And even if you want to approach the issue from the capitalist's side: should an employer not be able to institute rules to ensure the operation of their business? If a covid outbreak happened in your factory and suddenly half you staff are out sick or quarantined, that's a big problem. Should that business owner not have the right to put rules in place to prevent that from happening? I think it's the shittier argument but might be more likely to get through the skull of some selfish libertarian type.
It's different when vaccines are harmful but the authorities are lying about the risks and covering it up. It's not true that everyone exposed to polio virus gets it. There are holistic approaches to these diseases and holistic solutions that work. The risks need to be fully disclosed and people deserve the freedom to choose. Where there is risk there needs to be a choice.
This dude backs himself into a corner with every talking point. I’ll give the guy credit though, most conservatives will go from losing a vaccine debate to “what about black on black crime in Chicago?” in less than 2 minutes. This goofball at least stays with it somewhat.
Yeah honestly this guy seems a little brainwashed and dumb, but he's probably not too bad a guy. Maybe there's some hope left for him if he gets a wake-up call
What? The vaccine was so important that like half the people didn't get it and we don't have crisis anymore. If someone shit out a polished turn most of you would eat it lmao
I hope Seder gets a wake up call. Dude said he is pro mandates at 7:40. What? With what science is he using to back up the necessity to force EUA medicine? We are on booster for a reason. Herd immunity is unobtainable through these vaccines.
This kid is just full of ego...... lacking much humility to understand anything other than whatever fake news he gets. It never hurts to read & fact check. 💯
They’re clearly not teaching deductive reasoning in school. It’s one thing to not know about messenger RNA and microbiology. It’s yet another to speak with authority on topics you know absolutely NOTHING about without the aptitude to even begin to comprehend the subject matter. That’s what’s infuriating about people like this.
Don't mention getting a fishing license they become condescending twats. like hatchery workers, biologists and game wardens don't need to get paid. Really tired of the never ending straw man culture wars.
This is not entirely true - your employer's Benefit Administration team may have access to your PHI (via sign up sheets and billing resolution documentation, for example) and if/when they do, they are thus covered by HIPAA laws. However, an employer asking about your vaccine status does not run afoul of any HIPAA laws. The caller is completely wrong in his understanding of HIPAA.
My guy really thought his list of right-wing propaganda talking points was going to win him a debate against Sam Seder. The Dunning Kruger effect is real. 😂😂
He thought he had Sam on the ropes when he threw down his trump card of "My body, my choice!" He probably imagined that when he did Sam would be sputtering and floundering as my man deliver blow after blow. Instead when that didn't happen he desperately tried to shift the discussion. So many rightwingers have these strawman arguments that when they do actually encounter someone on the left who is reasonably informed they find themselves crumbling
@@opencommentsbbcnewsnight1704 No. The failure is all yours for not understanding the qualitative difference between a public heath problem caused by a transmisible disease and abortion...unless you are dumb enough to think abortion is transmisible.
@@opencommentsbbcnewsnight1704 Because a term coined by one group standing for one thing and a another group standing for something completely different, where said coined term doesn't apply, but by focusing both groups to a single political side you can call them all hypocrits for a term that only represents half the groups. Dishonest, delusional and just about as transparent as always from fools like you. Carry on ribbing the BBC, no one actually watches their propagnada left or right with any seriousness. That's why your channel gets no views even though you probably think you're on some righteous crusade against them. To quote your kind, wake up sheep.
@@opencommentsbbcnewsnight1704 No, the logic is consistent. "my body, my choice" is in reference to a women's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion. The logic is that the government shouldn't have any sort of say over what women will do with their own bodies. The logic holds for the COVID vaccine, because the government never forced anyone to get a vaccine at all. That was your employer applying coercive pressure. The government mandated that the corporations TEST their unvaccinated employees for the safety of said employees. The corporation would rather force you to get vaccinated, or fire you, than PAY to get you tested every day. At the end of the day, private corporations acted fully within their own rights to willingly fire people rather than pay a little extra to keep their vaccine-skeptical employees around.
Hell, even Joe Rogan, who has proclaimed many times "Don't use my show to make decisions on politics or government, I don't know shit, I just talk about it and give my opinion" destroyed Crowder over legalization of marijuanna. I literally thought Crowder was going to cry. I've never seen anyone want out of Rogan's studio so badly.
Well that's easy to do when you fail to think things out for yourself. He sounds like a parrot with a really extensive vocabulary to me, not one original sentiment the whole time Sam talked to him.
Because they are a death cult. Gop are necromancers. They use death to gain power. This is why they need a child to be born and take the breath of life before they sacrifice it to their god, the almighty dollar.
As if in a capitalist society people would have the option to stay home and not work. Would he expect the government to give "handouts" to people so they could survive? And if they got "handouts" according to him they'd never go back to work.
People were coughing on eachother in supermarkets and claiming COVID was a hoax so he thinks that people will stay home if they have leprosy and Ebola? You know some crazy Karen would we out there with her nose falling off starting a freedom convoy for lepers. 😂
How are these people real? Honestly. "Shouldn't have to this! Shouldn't have to do that!" Dude, this isn't a political debate, this is a 24 year old teenager with the intellectual energy of "STAY OUT OF MY ROOM! YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!" It's just so tiresome. They are arguing against the very things that make their lives livable because they have no notion of what the world was like before all these rules, laws and regulations. Their 'arguments' would create a world of untold suffering, disease and poverty. Its just delusional.
hence why conservatives want to keep them even dumber by stripping away any meaningful education and shoveling them into religious/sanitized indoctrination schools
It's hilarious watching right wing logic fall apart when they claim to be all about freedom, but then proceed to explain how they only care about their own rights. Them: "The govt should not mandate anything to protect public health." Also them: "The govt should mandate against all things I don't agree with."
Thats not a right wing thing, that's a radicalized thing. When people are too right or too left they make up their minds before even thinking about the issues. I have a radical leftist friend who has told me many times that I should lose my right to vote because I always vote conservative (we live in Canada) and all others like me. He believes the only people that should be on the ballot running are liberals. He's also said multiple times that anyone not believing in liberal ideology should be force by law. I've explained to him that he's describing a dictatorship but he says that impossible because it would be a liberal government. There's radical politics on all sides.
@@HalfCrazy520 No its not just one person but it's not like I can leave a comment explaining the circumstances around every radical leftist thing I see or radical leftist person I meet. I do have a quick radical leftist for you though, he's the Prime Minister of my country Justin Trudeau. He's the most perfect example of a true woke radically left ass bag that I could think of and he runs the country I live in. Pretty good example don't you think?
@@stinkyham9050 You can't 'both sides' this... The radicals on the right are advocating for a civil war, while the radicals on the left advocate for universal healthcare and common sense gun control. Big difference.
i know right? it's not like the first polio vaccine caused thousands of cases of death and polio or anything. . . . don't worry my friend. a google search is easy these days :)
@@oopalonga I am old enough to have lost a friend from polio. I wasn't even knowing why I coulnd't see him. Just learned years later why he died and how he suffered. You are too ignorant to be talked to.
I love how it didn't take long for the cognitive dissonance to kick in 'I think if people test positive for something, they should stay home and not work till they recover!' *So you're for mandatory testing?* 'No!'
@@jeremyr722 It's the perfect summation of their perspective on covid they hate the pandemic but want to take none of the measures necessary for preventing it lol they just want to complain
It's a recurring issue with these guys. It's why the likes of Jimmy Dore and Steven Crowder don't teach these guys how to debate ideas but rather to regurgitate talking points without scrutinizing them.
@@sonic8005 I also think it's just inherent to conservative belief. I've not had a single conversation with a conservative in which they're able to articulate what they believe and *Why* they believe it it's wild
Kind of like comparing COVID that was around for a couple months to leprosy that’s been around for thousands of years. If COVID was continuing to kill people thousand of year later I’m sure people would be open to a vaccine. Not an expiermental vaccine made in less than a year to people who are not threatened(under 30 years old)
How righteous of you. That’s the result when someone has a flawed argument or is incapable of coming up with a better argument. For example, from a public health stand point a forced COVID vaccine would remotely make sense of it’s proven that a vaccinated person was unable to transmit the disease. However, studies show that COVID is just as transmissible from a vaccinated person from a non-vaccinated person, thus an argument for why a vaccine mandate isn’t necessary. This guy was unprepared for a discussion. Many other individuals could have easily wiped the floor with Sam on this topic.
@@Ariaga_II That’s not the entire point. Yes, someone can still pass COVID with a vaccination. But there is an INFINITELY higher chance they recover from it without BEING SENT TO A HOSPITAL OR DYING. Not to mention the fact that it lowers the risk OF CATCHING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. Keeping up, ding dong? The data bears everything I just said out. What’s the evidence you have that proves the vaccines aren’t effective. And effective in this case means: lowering hospitalization rates, lowering deaths from COVID, and reducing the overall amount of COVID cases among majority vaccinated populations. Go on. Try.
The way he just casually drops that he doesn't care about people who die from the flu is so telling. He thinks he won't die from the flu because he's big and strong and will never be old or ever be immunocompromised at any point in his life
I have yet to meet any hardcore libertarian or anarcho-capitalist who isn't empathetically disabled. At the core of their ideology is the belief that any human society which is not in a constant state of culling the herd by allowing the survival of only its strongest and best positioned members is disordered and immoral. It's really that stark.
as a dude in a mixed race relationship my entire soul cringed into itself so hard that it created a goddamn singularity when he said "You think I'm worried about white demographics? my girlfriend is black"
Wow, conservative media is like a Dunning Kruger machine. This dude is so confident and yet EVERY single point he tries to score is thoroughly crushed to dust.
@@ding-goconservatives have to be punchlines because if they didn't have "being the globe's joke" they wouldn't have anything at all other than fear and panic
I actually like broccoli now. See, I matured and acquired a taste for it even though my mom wouldn't let me go play kickball with my friends until I'd at least had 3 pieces. Mature people eat broccoli and get vaccinated. I would assume this guy only eats meat like Jordan Peterson.
I remember that one time Shelley came to work and didn't disclose her abortion at 17 yrs-old and we all caught a severe case of abortion. That was the line. If you don't report something that everyone can catch----you are in trouble.
Employers are violating HIPPA by asking people about their medical history😂😂 That’s so deluded, I’m younger than this dude and even I know that HIPPA is a law about the healthcare documents, and only medical employees and professionals are held to HIPPA, not the general public
HIPPA applies to HOSPITALS AND INSURERS. It is in the name. Employers are within their rights to know if you have a communicable disease, have been vaccinated, took that day off for a cold with a doctor's note, and if you have a condition impacting your ability to do the job and any reasonable accommodation to be made under the ADA.
@@ZS-bg7jo How about allowing businesses and employers to enforce their own requirements if they want without any government mandates. Many businesses and employers do not care because they are putting profit over lives which is fine because this is capitalism. I don't see to many businesses in my area enforcing any mask or vaccine requirement. The businesses were very eager to lift all the restrictions as soon as the mandate went away, so obviously they were being forced by the government.
It’s the other way round. “My body my choice” advocate vaccine mandates. How does that work? What about the baby’s body. The figures for the deaths caused by covid were bogus. I know of a death attributed to covid where the dude was killed in a car crash. It said covid on the death certificate.
@@boywonder6659 The point is you always had a choice. You never HAD to take the vaccine. The company you work for has the right to require specific vaccines for their workforce. And they are well within their rights no longer employ you if you do not have the vaccine. You can find work that doesn't require it. A fetus doesn't show consciousness until nearly 5 months in. It doesn't know it exists. It is wholly dependent on the mother for survival and it's body cannot sustain life without her. The "spark of life" is derived from religious text and has no place in law in this country. As far as counting covid deaths... Even if 10% of the deaths were misreported, which is highly unlikely, it's still more than 900,000 deaths. Claiming that the numbers are bogus is ignorant at best. I'm assuming you're just spouting the Republican talking point about the guy who died in a motorcycle accident in Florida. He tested positive for covid post death and so it was listed as a contributing factor. Well the CDC reviewed that case and rejected it so your point is moot.
@@a.j.7264 exactly most of the Regressive Republican's positions seem to be little more than memes. Grossly oversimplified versions of a topic with only a superficial understanding.
How is it inspirational? It’s a debate where neither person raised their voice and only Sam called the opponent ignorant. Nothing inspirational about being able to hold a civil debate. That’s just the bare minimum qualifier of a good faith debate
Yeah, not really. He was dismissive and condescending, as is his habit. I liked the part where Sam either revealed or pretended that he believes that the government regulating how companies impose upon the rights of individual citizens is equivalent to the federal government doing the same. That wasn't a solid trap. That shows a gross misunderstanding of how rights function, and the government's prime directive to safeguard and respect them.
@@doubtshadow1Yep. He doesn’t fully hear out the counter argument and reply head on. The cold and rigid way he greets the caller and then railroads them off topic prevents them from making their point. And then he never gives fair rebuttal, just an underhanded dance of fallacies. And then usually, some mean-spirited low blow personal remarks about the caller. These are not components of fruitful dialogue. Sam is a bigot.
"You can't force people to get vaccinated." Schools require their students be vaccinated. Hell, the military herself requires all of the troops to be up to date with vaccinations. Refusing to get vaccinated is considered Dereliction of Duty.
Yep. These people argue against the right of abortion by ignoring the Ninth Amendment and insisting, “there is no right to abortion in the Constitution.” Okay, well does the Constitution explicitly state you have a right to refuse a vaccination during a pandemic?
You can't force people to be vaccinated (except in cases were a person's freedoms are considered void, such as in military service), but that doesn't mean you are forced to allow them to freely endanger others with unrestricted intermingling.
your comment exposing their lack of knowledge reminds of the polls that shows the majority of Conservatives believe in Laws that are not even in the constitution, like I was reading this poll with multiple questions and a lot of them thought multiple things that are not in the constitution is in the constitution. like they literally just Guess what's the right thing to do is on a very serious subject, which basically means they're Feelings over Facts.
@@rustyshackleford735 We absolutely can force people to get vaccinated outside of those specific contexts, and after we have vaccinated the willing in the 3rd world, we should force the remainder.
The dumb kid believed a bunch of conspiracy theories about the safety of the vaccines and then tried to have Sam answer questions about the vaccines that he himself can't answer and doesn't understand. It was just something someone told him was bad and that he should be scared about. lol Right-wing propaganda rots your brain. That kid is so confused. lol
I joined under Bush when I was 17 and I was well aware of all the vaccinations that I needed to get to leave boot camp this is been that way since probably I don't know when? These antivax debates are effing ridiculous. I want to see evidence that vaccines are worse than the virus then we can talk.
The precedent for mandated inoculation against diseases in the military has existed since the Revolutionary War, which predates even the invention of vaccines.
Have you looked at the Pfizer documents that have been released so far. The only reason why Pfizer is releasing the documents now is because they were ordered to by a federal judge. The 4th dose gives no protection against infection after just 8 weeks and this was a study that came out of Israel. If the vaccines worked so well we wouldn't be having 500,000 Covid cases per day. We have more infections today then we did before we had vaccines.
@@russellmania5349 it seems like you're not accounting for the mutations in the variations of the strains of the virus. The vaccines worked until no one took them and the virus spread until the mutated that had nothing to do with the efficacy of the vaccine.
@@Bostonceltics1369 78% of the population has has at least 1 dose and 66% of the population are fully vaccinated. Its true that most people didn't get a booster shot or a 2nd booster shot. My parents for an example got the J & J vaccine and they both say they are not getting any booster shots and who can blame them they were told that the J & J vaccine was a one and done deal.
Pandemic wouldn't have turned into an endemic if some of these people just did the right thing & put forth their "community efforts" to protect those around you. 💯 It's been proven to be safe (so far from the data gathered up to date) & by far one of the most transparent vaccine available.
A society running on _freedom juice_ for 40 years suddenly has to come together for the greater good and OH look at that _[Price is Right fail sound]_ .
Even before the vaccines rolled out, the pandemic could have been over within a couple months at most if people had simply not chosen to be assholes, worn masks, and practised social distancing. The vaccines wouldn't have become necessary to start with. Masks and social distancing is just the bare minimum one could ask for, barely even registering as inconveniences, but instead people chose to throw fits in stores or wear "masks" that literally have holes cut in them. Even the US's complete balls-up of a response to the pandemic still reduced flu rates to about 1% of what they were in 2019.
@@glennjohn3824 this is why I shoot the people ahead of me in line to save the stain on my body from waiting in line for 5 minutes and protect my personal joint health!
This dude has no idea what HIPAA is and the second he insinuated asking vaccination status was a violation of HIPAA Sam should have hung up on him. The caller is massively uninformed.
I was going to say, if the hosts understood whom HIPAA applies to (ie not this caller, unless he is an ignorant health care professional/worker) , they could've called them out immediately that the particular law does not apply in the scenario he presented.
Exactly! Yet even the mainstream, neoliberal media chooses to feed the fire by continuing to refer to the workplace regulations as "vaccine mandates". And it was funny to see this kid say he was against vaccine mandates because employers don't have the right to demand their workers undergo medical procedures - but then immediately say he was also against testing. Even though employee testing (for drugs) IS standard, accepted operating procedure throughout multiple industries.
Even with vaccinations they would still be required to do mandatory testing, as far as COVID goes. The CDC said that even if vaccinated, you can still catch it, spread it, and get sick from. The shots just mitigate the symptoms. Hell, CDC had to redefine "vaccine".
@@aaronfitz2061 probably because vaccines don’t prevent infection, rather they reduce the effect of whatever you’re vaccinated against, any reason u don’t speak on the 90% of people hospitalized by Covid being unvaccinated?
The best part is that he almost certainly thought he was SUPER prepared. I'm almost kind of jealous; I wish I could have that kind of naive confidence again. It might not win me any arguments against truly educated people, but I bet it would really impress my assuredly idiotic friend group.
Sam knew he had this as soon as he bit into his food. 😂 That was a straight up power move. What I mean by that; Sam knew this incel was easy pickings and started off with a big middle finger by eating his food. You would NEVER do that in an actual debate. 😂 🤣
@@quitstalin what? lol no. go back and listen. the mr staff guy didn’t not bring up black people, the caller did. the staffer mused that maybe it was for racist reasons he thinks immigration is a problem, because it conclusively isn’t for economic reasons, if it is at all. then the caller said hey i have a black girlfriend, implying he can’t be racist because of that, which is hilarious.
@@VincentTroia whether he can or can't be racist is irrelevant. What is relevant is mr staff guy's claim that he only cares about "white demographics" a la great replacement theory. The caller having "biracial" children is demonstrative of not caring about white demographics since his own personal choices have the effect of reducing white demographics. The way for him to have biracial children is with his non-white wife who he identifies as black. All of this is relevant and the only thing comical is you guys think this is any more good faith than when Steven Crowder filled up the room with his nonsense sidekicks. mr staff guy and co-host should stay out it, because they're just interjecting little jabs into someone else's conversation and lots of times it doesn't even seem like Seder appreciates it
5:00 Its annoying when anti vax people bring up abortion and "my body, my choice" as if that will make the pro vaccine people say "welp, they got us there. I guess there's nothing we can do." while the anti vax people will then turn around and say a woman must remain pregnant against their will. It would be one thing if the anti vax person was also pro choice, but the whole thing becomes disingenous when the anti vax person is also anti abortion / pro forced birth.
Ok, this is hyper chad Sam right here, totally disinterested, eating while calmly obliterating an idiot who somehow felt it necessary to pay money to get his stupid points challenged... It's just so funny, so sweet, I can only hold it against Sam that he didn't get more of this guy's money, but then again, we're not like the grifters...
It's incredible, this is the same energy as the classic Libertarian call in debates but with a sharper and less patient Sam. Gone are the days of letting some trog define their brand of Libertarianism for 15min, speak plainly or get absolutely shredded.
“People will just naturally stay home”. What a completely idiotic statement. That’s the fallacy. You can be unknowingly contagious. Companies don’t want to pay you for staying home sick. Is he for 100% welfare when you stay home? Parents want to send kids to school so they can work. Is he for companies paying 100% welfare for staying home with kids?
This guy was a gem. I worked at a pharma company where we were swabbed prior to clocking in. This last for a long until the vaccine was available. It was done to make sure production continued and to keep coworkers safe.
Much like Seder in the video, you are not making a logical or moral arguement. Your arguement is deeply flawed. So you were forced to get vaxxed to keep your pharma job, and somehow that justifies forcing everyone else to get forced vax? If your employer infringes on your basic human rights, that doesn't mean the government infringing on your human rights is anymore acceptable.
This aged well, first off masks did not work secondly these specific vaccines work but don't work basically to save 1 hospitalisation you have to vax around 160 thousand people to prevent 1 death it's around 3 or 4 hundred thousand need vaccinating. It doesn't stop transmission either, you can argue we didn't know that but some Dr's and scientists did tell us all this early on.
@@danielcox9504 I always listen to the guys like you who pull numbers out of their asses and ram all the words into one sentence with weird-ass punctuation. Keep preaching, tinfoil!
@@danielcox9504 In fact I remember exactly Pfizer telling us exactly that as the vax was being released: does not prevent the spread, does not prevent infection, it only makes symptoms easier.
Exactly. I love when people bring up HIPAA around things like this. It clearly shows they just learned an acronmym and throw it around wherever they want. HIPAA only has to do with confidentiality with your doctor and third parties. Any Joe Schmoe can walk up to you on the sidewalk and ask about your health and they aren't going to be violeting any law. You have every right to keep that information to yourself, but HIPAA has nothing to do with it whatsoever.
Here is what needs to be explained to these "rights" advocates. Rights do not exist in a vacuum. You as the individual are not the only one with rights. Other people have rights too. That's where things get tricky, where those rights intersect with one another. That's where rules and law have to be created - to sort out which rights get prioritized over which other rights in certain situations. The common phrase is "Your right to swing your fist around ends at someone else's chin". Yes, right to privacy about your medical information is a real right. And he asked Sam "where should that right end??" Well this actually isn't a tough one. Your right to medical privacy ends where it affects others around you. In other words, when you may have a communicable disease which affects others. It's really not that complicated. In conclusion, you're not a "champion of rights" if all you're capable of doing is focusing on PARTICULAR rights and completely unable to think about OTHER PEOPLE's rights (the right to not be killed is a pretty important one). Even a junior lawyer wouldn't be that ignorant, but of course most of these people are 24 year old know-nothings like Sam said.
Regarding your privacy to health info, those laws apply to those tasked with protecting it - doctors, hospitals, insurance companies, billing staff, etc. You can share your history with anyone willing to listen.
Exactly. This has been my argument for two years to anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers who constantly whine about their precious rights and freedoms. I say what about my right to not be infected by an unvaccinated asshole who walks around not caring how his condition affects others? Don't I have rights and freedoms too? Is it too much to ask that you make this small sacrifice to mitigate the possibility that you might just KILL SOMEONE?!?
@@TheReddaredevil223 I was saying that HIPAA laws were enacted to ensure that medical providers, health insurance companies, billing staff, etc. protect your PHI. He seems to believe that employers can’t ask you your vaccination status because he has “HIPAA rights.” There is no “rights.” The legislation is directed to those who are tasked with keeping your PHI from being released. Regarding an employer asking his vaccination status, he does not need to answer. But he’s not going to keep/get the job.
That was just painful to watch. That poor kid thought he was gonna own you only to end up looking like a whiney, uneducated fool. Sam, you were far nicer than I would have been. These kind of people need to feel embarrassed to the point they never speak again. Keep doing the lords work my friend!
I would hope this pantsing will remind him why he's a lil pos and that he needs to work on himself. Wonder how his so called black gf feels about him being a boot licker for fart right mass shooter influencers... Whatever the case... just wow lol. He's only 24... I was dumb af back then too but he's pretty bad lol.
17:13 When Emma starts and Sam joins in on a perfectly placed "DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!" had me rolling!!! I love y'all and how you handle these types in such debates. Keep it up. :)
@@scott7385 Look at Matt Walsh’s documentary What is a Woman. Left wingers all do the same shit, deflect when they can’t answer a question, through in whataboutisms all the same shit. The only worse thing about Left Wingers is they are completed convinced in their delusional thoughts that it’s scary.
This guy outed himself as a Crowder fan right at the beginning. “You counted that as a win, huh?” “I counted that as a loss.” A fumble right at the beginning and the guy debating Sam just kept on fumbling😆
I could see Crowder listening to this debate and then DM'ing the kid saying, "You hit it out of the park! Your command of the facts and razor sharp reasoning made Sam look just like the know-nothing, radical leftist fool that he is!"
Sam just pulled some 8-mile shit lol going no I count that as a loss. Genius honestly to pre-empt whatever the little smarmy kid had to say with that, it shut him right up
Typical evasion tactic of a person who is afraid to admit to an answer that would reveal the losing ground of their argument: Answer a question with a question. Sam Seder is such a boss at debating.
It's not denial... can you explain to me why it's idiotic for him to start off with leprosy as a supposed relevant example, or argument? I can explain it to you if you'd like, and why he's a completely irrelevant psuedo-intellectual that never debates, but rather sits, and insults his opponents out hubris. He's like a watered down Steven Crowder if Steven Crowder were progressive, oh and he never provides sources, but always seems to demand them from others.
@@RaGnarock2215 I'm going to take a guess and be right that you're a conservative and you just don't like hearing things that go against what you believe. You want to live in a world where your beliefs reign over other people. Would I be correct or are you going to deny yet again because you want to believe yourself to be seen as a free thinker?
Sam’s argument about the military mandating vaccines is fairly flawed, because the military essentially own your freedom temporarily. You volunteer away many rights, freedoms and privileges ranging from free speech to certain reproductive rights to where you’ll be living. So it’s not a great thing to point to as somehow illustrative of how the society at large ought to be.
@@thefruch7588 If it stays local, some people are injecting it in weird places. Jimmy Dore must have shaved his right into his brain. I mean... that would explain a thing or two, but I just don't think it's likely the case.
They see dunces like Shapiro, Crowder, and whatever have you "look good" in a debate where they hold all the power against someone completely unprepared and think they can do the same.
I will give you a free lesson. 95 percent of the population is naturally immune against leprosy. Something this guy has no clue about. I will assume you guys have an even lesser knowledge base since you are the fan.
@@societylost4344 the point didn’t depend on the sickness being lepracy tho… I mean he also literally mentioned the same situation with Ebola right after.
@@gsp4prez yes they were. If you got sick in 2019 you were immune during the whole pandemic. That’s science! Straight up science. Just not cnn science.
I really hate people that ask a question and then talk over the person trying to answer! This guy just goes all over the place with his questions. No F'ing clue what HIPAA laws are about.
26 minutes was not enough time. Problem was, the argument wasn't completely actualized from the start. So Sam had to agree or disagree on MANY topics while trying to nail down the actual debatable argument. If the caller had actually prepared and came with a clear and concise topic to debate, both parties wouldn't have had to do so much jumping between topics. You can hear several times in the discussion Sam is asking the caller for 'this particular circumstance' and if 'that's what they believe?' because there was hardly any baseline to debate!
Few thoughts. 1. Good on this guy for willing to actually debate. Many right wingers simply reach conclusions and then are unwilling and unable to debate their stances. 2. Hanging up on him was not the right thing to do. You should only ever hang up on callers who become abusive or threatening. The correct move here would have simply meant to warn the caller that if he doesn't answer questions the call would be dropped. 3. "People are really upset that I entertained that guy for that long". I couldn't disagree more. This guy is 24 years old. He's gettable. His ideas stink, but he's not so rigid in his thinking that he's a total lost cause. The whole point of debate is for other 24 year olds like him to hear this debate and maybe realize they are also full of shit.
