Libertarian Gone Wild After Losing Party Member to Sam Seder 

And then Seder, at one point, points to Europe, and the caller says "Europe? You're being so general that it's disgusting!"

Don't forget, "Now you're arguing semantics"

John has a disability in comprehension

The dude is just uneducated. Like, I remember thinking these thoughts before I got my education. But then, after I went to school, I learned how to follow the thought chains a little further down the line and shit gets a little clearer and makes a little more sense. We desperately need tuition free education cause this is fuckin ridiculous. We got half the population just kinda trying to think critically, and the other half which actually does.

A Nonymous no no. You just need massive amounts of inherited wealth and circumstantially privileged success to then retreat out to Sacramento where you’ll have some privately funded pseudo - permaculture community of wells and electricity. Then you’ll get it.

Exactly.

Sam "Steal Ya Gurl" Seder in full effect

Sam SEED'er: literally cucking libertarians.

WE HAD A REAL LIVE GIRL! I HATE YOU!

Exactly. How dare Sam converted our only token libertarian female..😝😝😝

Every time that i listen to a Libertarian it feels like they live in an ideological world where they can't comprehend reality. I debated a Libertarian where he was trying to make the claim that workers is a subjective term. That they are not being theorize by the capitalist and the notiom that the working class is enslave by the capitalist it is absoutly insane

They are people that are educated beyond their intelligence.

​@@ericmacrae6871 It's an Ayn Rand cult. You know how cult members are. They repeat mantras and slogans and live in their own world.

The hypocrisy / projection that comes from these people is utterly mind blowing...

Literally my AP microeconomics class in HIGH SCHOOL had numerous examples of when regulation would be useful. That class was written by neoliberals and taught by my two neoliberal teachers and it somehow made me more leftist

​@52flyingbicycles Isn't it amazing how understanding their concepts, methods of analysis and necessary assumptions makes you less and less right wing? "Hm, so if this group can always act on known information, the costs they face genuinely reflect all possible damages or benefits from partaking in a transaction, the other party in the transaction has zero ability to dictate prices, and everyone acts like a min maxing RPG character motivated purely by selfishness then we maybe get a state of affairs where a poor person's life is only made less miserable to the extent that Bill Gates doesn't lose a dollar doing it." And you're supposed to internalize that scenario as representing *intuition and optimal functioning* while ignoring that the free market itself can suffer deadweight losses because the "competitive equilibrium" if reached is only guaranteed to be a local maximum.

These libertarians probably would shit their pants if they found out the word for ‘rule(s)’ and ‘regulation’ descend from the same root.

The caller's response was the textbook example of being triggered.

Dude he’s got a well.. EVERYONE IN AMERICA SHOULD USE WELLS! ALL 300 million of us!

@@1MarkKeller That and Dunning Kruger.

He was such an idiot

@@animespoils4814 I heard that and was like "WTF? WHO HAS THEIR OWN FUCKING WELL!" I learned one thing when talking to conservatives...somehow they are magically super self sufficient in all things about their life and it's just EVERYONE else that depends on and uses modern day amenities provided by and regulated by government. Good debate prep needs about 3~5 scenarios where a person can't be seen as reasonable when they lie about just how self sufficient they are. 1 - how did you get here? Your car has safety standards 2 - do you have diarrhea? Your water safety is regulated by the government 3 - did you go to a public school? (Easy one to get out of but it's easy to see where this goes) 4 - what would do if your neighbor, armed more than you are, stole something valuable of yours? Most would call the police and now you're relying on a public service 5 - how do you establish that your house and property is yours towards other people? Government says that, and enables you to leverage #4 - law enforcement to enforce trespassing violators

The most perfect example of Moving the Goalposts Fallacy I've ever seen.

They ARE like Herpes.

you never run out of stupidity

Like, they keep calling in with hopes of being The One to win an argument.

You mean like they expect an angelic Milton Friedman to come down and magically grant them peace of mind if they’ve achieved being The One?

I would like to call it the gift that keeps on grifting

Puttincomputers I literally felt the burn on that one lmfao

Well said... priceless

He almost cried 😭

My girlfriend is asleep next to me. Had to try really hard to stifle my laughter so I wouldn't wake her up

Its just painful to listen to. These Libertarians talk only amongst themselves devoid of reality, it all makes sense to them in their Libertarian cocoon built by koch brothers,when they venture out into the real world it all falls apart.

realpointz Strangely, when inevitably their ideas fall apart, they still defend their ideas by using the buzz words that duped them into believing this to begin with. It was painful to listen to, but I enjoyed it also.

waterhead001 If you're against libertarianism you're against freedom waterhead you damm statist illuminati confirmed am off to buy prepper gear with my bitcoins ...am just joking

bisquitnspanky You dare to have a point? You pointist.

It's worse than that: The caller *asked* Sam for examples, but once they came, accused him of "semantics" and "specifics".

I know right! This was a Great call! Although I would have doubled down on the tap water angle as the caller may exclusively use well water himself, but not everybody does. The people who do drink from the tap are not getting sick (With Contagious Diseases) because of regulations. The caller himself may not drink tap water, but if he ever interacts with any other portion of society he still benefits off of the regulations that keeps the rest of society healthy. I wonder if he ever has went out to eat in his entire life? Has he ever benefited from an employee of being forced to wash their hands before making his meal? Or does anyone really believe that his entire life he has never once drank from a water fountain with regulated clean water? What happens if he gets too far away from his house? Does he keep emergency store-bought bottled water in his car just in case he's too far away from his house's well water? Although even under those circumstance, water bottling factories have regulations too. On top of that regulations prevent pollution from being put into the Earth that could potentially contaminate even his well water. Ever heard of Fracking? Fracking is banned in my entire State because we have regulations against it.

STOP！ The big bad liberal is exposing my ignorance! Why are liberals so hate-filled and mean, using facts and logic?

Ladies and gentlemen, A strawman doing the gish gallop on a high horse

I just liked that he called them substidies.

Na, he's totally right. It's not like even WITH the faa, that planes almost crash into each other every few months at busy airports or anything. .. or like planes ever crash at all. So why do we need the faa? ... what's that? They do? And they do? All the time you say? ...umm... uhhh ...FAKE NEWS!!!

Nice, Steven! This is old, but I'm SO glad I endured that twit's ramblings. Sam handled it all beautifully. Feel kinda bad for the less-insane Libertarians who can effectively state and defend their arguments for "limited government". They've got guys like that undermining their credibility.

Pure form calibama

how HUMILIATING. i'm sure that "female friend" ran for the hills for good after hearing that.

Dude is one mushroom tea away from being a sovereign citizen

+Halloween111 he ate the hell out of those things

+josh portie You're getting into semantics. Talk about regulation.

Lmao!!!😂😂😂😂

Another example that ppl who can't listen remain stupid

LOL.

It is a philosophy, it is not a toy belief. You are so narrow-minded, you would not give it a chance.

***** Well at least you ADMIT it's a philosophy and not a legitimate political movement, which it is not. The caller sounds like a typical "libertarian."

George Pirpiris The Libertarian is a legitimate movement. Watch Adam Kokesh, Stefan Molyneux, Walter E Williams... From what I hear, Sam is continuously interrupting the caller, not even trying to give him a chance to speak.

Because it's fucking nonsense and incoherent.

RU Kiddingme he reminds me of when I was an impetuous 5 year old who knew it all...

Ematched Damn right. Because if that water's not clean, some dudes wearing orange utility jumpsuits will drive out to your house, ring your doorbell, hand you a notice, walk around your house to where your well is, and bolt a metal cap down onto it so no one can access it. And there'd be nothing he could do about it. This caller is basically arguing in favor of being allowed to drink that fucked up water, because...reasons.

Yep, and the caller said he has his well water tested regularly; I'll bet the company that tests his water is regulated too.

jrasicmark1 Right. They'd have to be. Or else they wouldn't even have license to do what they do.

jrasicmark1 No, I'm sure the testers just love freedom so much that they always do a perfect job.

You can test your own water fairly easily.

Actually, it can be boiled down even simpler than that. It all comes down to "No! Make me!"

That's really all it is about, not paying taxes. My brother in law makes the same arguments about useless regulation, it goes around and around until he gets enough beers in him and you get to the core, which is "I'm pissed that I have to pay taxes and can't afford a hot tub right now." All the other stuff, the 'principles', its all just window dressing. All this priciples talk is just to make it seem less crass.

They are just reinvented Birchers all gussied up for the imaginary fair. This online article travails the webbed and cryptic history of right-wing libertarianism. medium.com/@Airis/why-right-wing-libertarians-are-bad-for-politics-b397def7f805#.3rhg38ogi

Oh the young computer warrior men who so suffer the wrath and tyranny of taxation, never has such wrong been done in annals of history. (sorry for the stereotype, but just about everyone libertarian I have met has been a pseudo-intellectual angry young man)

Morrison Dali which is funny if you think about it because these are the same people constantly whining about welfare queens not paying their fair share. WELL GUESS WHAT TAXES ARE YOU RETARDS? YOUR FAIR SHARE TO PAY. The right is just full of whiners with their hands out. Lazy Moochers...

Also Greece uses a foreign (exogenous) currency (the Euro) and is thus constrained in its ability to deficit spend. Other national governments (e.g., the USA, Japan, Australia) issue their own sovereign currency and owe debt in this currency, and thus they cannot be forced to default on their debts and are not limited in their ability to deficit spend. The only risk is excessive inflation - but note that Japan has had problems with *negative* inflation (deflation) in spite of massive deficit spending and low interest rates.

@tiglath pileser you crazy as this dumb ass caller dude

@@robertjenkins6132 He uses Greece as an example to prove HIS point, when the banks screwed over the country and Private Corporations do what they do, which is squeeze more money out of people in hard times. That's his flaw, he thinks the free market can save people when the ship is sinking, but in reality the free market is the sharks swimming around the boat waiting for lunch. He couldn't have debunked his own point harder if he tried

@tiglath pileser Funny that you believe the EU is a German takeover of Europe, when Germany was forced by France to adopt the Euro in the first place in order to reunify. You have nobody to blame but the Neoliberal goons that run the Western world for the austerity crisis in Europe; maybe you weasily little Germanopbobe cowards shouldn't have forced Germany to become part of your sinking ship of globalization and subversion of national sovereignty, then they wouldn't be de facto running all your countries for you. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

@tiglath pileser socialism, equality for all will lead to a better version of Globalism. If you truly hate Capitalism as I do, Globalism is what will defeat Nationalism. Globalism on the peoples terms, social Globalism. It will end the idea of war and especially fighting over resources. Capitalism and Consumerism are biggest threat to freedom, and Communism is just as bad. Capitalism and Communism were both created by Zionists to oppose one another, they are both systems of Imperialist control. When both are defeated the banks and big oil defeated, then the people will have control. Globalism on our terms will lead to world peace. Only way to prevent Nationalism or War from occurring again.

"Umm. Yes... how did you know?"

Ultimately it boils down to, "Local bad too, my individualism is good." Or ... every man is an island. We all know how that's gonna turn out, there are tons of sci fi movies made about the end of the world to watch. lol

Circular reasoning at its finest. It's dumbfounding how they can't see that.

Literally my dad's entire political believe system

"no no no, those aren't jobs because people pay taxes and we all know taxes = not jobs"

+Logan Wallace Oh? And what regulation was that? The "Let's force all the banks to make horrible gambles with other people's money" regulation? I don't think that one is on the books.

+Tyler Potts good for you bro, theres a lot of Koch money going into neolibertarian idealisms and I think most everyone knows what sort of people they are.

+Logan Wallace you mean deregulation caused the 2008 crash. maybe go look it up again. lol

darthvader5300 absolutely, and Reagan was so scared of communism he put Osama Bin Laden into power to fight communism in Afganistan, he ended sherman anti-trust, started deregulation and bs reaganomics. Basically unchecked greed can break any economic system, the same unchecked greed that broke the back of the old soviet union is now breaking america. outsourced is due to our bs trade deals. unfortunately you are trying to talk to people who have had a steady diet of misinformation from our corporate conservative fascist media for years. Funny thing is the Kochs came from the soviet union, where their fathers greed and people like him helped to bring down your old country. Im not a stupid american and I know my history.

***** lol everything supports my claim, troll

Switching from the mouth of a crocodile into the mouth of a snake. Right wing libertarianism and right wing anarcho-capitalism has nothing to do whatsoever with anarchism. Google the writings of Noam Chomsky (available at Chomsky.info) for some basic understanding of Anarchism and Libertarian Socialism. The democratic party is only the lesser of two evils when compared to the republican party.

Kaze Araki "the lesser of two evils..." That was my point. My anarchist comment was an exaggeration that I thought might cement how strongly I feel about the party. And yes, I'm familiar with Chomsky's work and I have nothing but respect for him as an academic and an intellectual. His books, of which I have many, have been a positive influence in my life. However, I've neither seen, or read anything from the libertarian party that would compel me to reevaluate my political position. - beyond any theoretical political exercise. I may not agree with the party, but that doesn't mean I view those who have chosen to identify themselves as libertarians as misguided, or uniformed. Peace

A Stanley The libertarian party has nothing to do with real libertarianism or anarchism. The libertarian party represent the extreme right wing section of the conservative movement. True libertarian/anarchist like Chomsky are anti-capitalist. In Europe where the term originated, libertarianism represent left anarchism.

A Stanley The closest party to libertarianism is the green party but in general libertarians are oppose to party/centralize power like capitalism/communism and are more oriented towards collective endeavors.

NOT ONLY THAT, THEY SUPPORT AN IDEALOGY AND PARTY IN THIS COUNTRY THAT WAS BASICALLY STARTED BY THE KOCH BROTHERS TO TRICK A YOUNGER GENERATIN OF PEOPLE INTO SUPPORTING LIBERAL SOCIAL CAUSES, AND MASSIVELY RIGHT WING PRO CORPORATE CAUSES...SUCH AS ELIMINATING REGULATIONS AND TAXES.

I’m from 5 years in the future

@@supersomebody101 Libertarianism begins to look like a religion, a blind faith in free market and deregulation, without understanding why.

Well, there is a lot of overlap between those two groups.

It's because they have zero critical thinking skills so if they don't yell it's not convincing 😂

Karl Marx he has a lot of experience in doing this and he has a pretty deep understanding on a wide range of ideas of both current and past politics and politicians

I don't think you're really Karl Marx.

*than …9 years later

Adam smith is actually fairly relavent to discussing any market based economic system, as is Marx and a dozen others; bit like discussing physics without Newton, yes he was wrong about stuff, but even then he was usually pretty close and about as right as one could be with the knowledge at the time.

Most of these mouth breathers have never read nor understand Adam Smith.

It’s so silly - if these guys had even a basics understanding of Adam Smith that would know he certainly never said there shouldn’t be government regulations, and is hardly the guy (whether you agree with Smith’s views of not) to be relying on to support your Libertarian beliefs.

I love when people cite Friedman so I can ask them if they agree with him that illegal immigration is good specifically because it’s illegal. Then if they supported Reagan giving amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants while Friedman was advising his administration. They tend to stop citing him after that.

This is pretty typical of libertarians

+TheScholar74 - No, i think his frustration, and ignorance, was genuine.

What is a libertarian but a troll of government?

His tone is far too emotional, you can just hear the absolute loyalty to what he believes to the point in an almost religious sense. This is a really a example of how just living in an echo chamber can lead to dogmatic views that are essentially cult like, but I feel like cult members wouldn't be this worried about what Sam think and could still have the self awarness that they are just embarrassing themselves.

Could it be both?

There was a Libertarian caller on the show who did argue FOR slavery. That was cringy too.

Only if we build a big fence around it so they can't get out.

Post WWII the richest Americans owed ninety percent of their income. It did not keep them from being the richest Americans, and it brought down crime and suicide rates.

Bodhi the USSR's economy had 56 years of continuous growth without recession and went from a backwards feudalist economy to a global industrial superpower, growing by well over 5000%, so yeah, the USSR worked pretty damn well, actually. Otherwise, by that logic, the Great Depression completely discredited capitalism

lis437 we'll call it "Somalia"

Bodhi did you ever consider that our GDP relies on resources and trade. We have one of the largest, if not THE largest agricultural districts in the world not to mention oil production, natural gas, forests (btw hi from western washington), iron, steel, and fish just off the top of my head and you are comparing the U.S. to places like Norway, Iceland, Denmark, and Sweden which have much smaller populations and much less land and those are the happiest countries in the world

I think you mean "substidized."

Wow. You are ahead of the curve using that term.

I think that's Matt.

@@elizamiller512 I think that's Michael Brooks.

Me too, I want his job lmao

@@redlightmax Oh, it's definitely Michael. Could tell that laugh anywhere.

:(

That kind of breaks my heart just a little bit. I wouldn’t wish unrequited love on anyone.

At the time of my comment the UK was the fastest growing economy in the G7, and i am no supporter of austerity btw. Check it out with a simple google search "g7 growth" and look for articles from February 2015 when i posted my comment: UK was number 1 US was number 2. since then the UK was downgraded (as was the US) and forecasts from April put the US ahead and UK in number 2. regardless, Europe is not a failure, greece is a failure, spain, portugal and italy are bordering on being failures, but the UK, France, Germany, Poland, and the scandinavian states are all doing rather well thanks

... somehow sad to read this after brexit 💷📊↘️

Yeah. "Let me ignore an entire continent that is more populated than the entire USA, and let's focuse on that random 10 million small country because it fits my agenda, even it has nothing to do with an excess of regulation"

It's the G6 now. Damn toddler trump....

this comment did not age well at all

+Logan Wallace Source please

exactly! friggen idiot! regulation means the FED they hate and wall street are accountable to US! what a fool! lol he used oxymoronicle as a big word! oh man!

+Logan Wallace Elizabeth Warren proved it rather succinctly. RU-vid "Elizabeth Warren Glass Steagal" Separating commercial banks from investment banks led to nearly 40 years of growth without a major financial collapse. It worked.

Logan Wallace what countries?

Bat Guano And then Libertarians would stand around and watch as people express their freedom to bleed out.

Once he said he has his well water tested daily.... I gave up.

***** They did not check the water because there was anything wrong but because they were crazy. I asked them about what references material did they use to check the water. And testing daily is an overkill.

Most of the pollutants might not be tested by a normal kit. Yes, I trust the government you know who I do not trust? Private corporations that pollute our groundwater and surface water (you call them free enterprises in libertarian lingo). And yes I have owned a well and I was glad when I got on the city pipelines, wells are expensive and stuff (I live in New Mexico). But you continue testing your well because you never know the pollutants you might get, I hope he tests for the one that makes him crazy. I was once a libertarian, but then I grew up and left high school and realized our constitution began with 'We the people...' and realized as an individual I can not survive alone. I live in a society and I am a social animal. Libertarianism is for high school boys who have just discovered mustabartion and want to be left alone in the basement to jerk off. Once you start having real relationships with fellow adults you should grow out of it.

LMAO

If they know what they're talking about, they aren't Libertarians.

@@barryween4478 ...And how! The original comment was made eight years ago, when I was a naive child of 29. My sincerest apologies.

Dude. New dank memes. Pepe with a well in the background. Lmfao

I would actually watch football if that happened