Arctic Cat's ALL-NEW 858 2-Stroke snowmobile Engine

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Luke gives a detailed overview of Arctic Cat's ALL-NEW 858 engine purpose-built for the CATALYST. The 858 was designed to optimize the CATALYST platform's centralized design so the rider is the active force providing more power with more precision and control. This design is based on decades of innovation complemented by the ingenuity of the current team to ensure the engine components fit the CATALYST platform's design.
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@MacWallaceArbitrationService 4 месяца назад

I love the smell of 2-strokes in the morning. Smells like...victory.

@pajamatime5750 Год назад

Super pumped to hear how it performs on the snow mounted in the Catalyst chassis. This is awesome for Arctic Cat and the industry as a whole. Loosing Yamaha sucks but, if nothing else, it looks like Cat is getting serious about their offerings once again…. Green vs. Yellow vs. Red will have a rivalry like it did in the ‘90’s and early ‘00’s!!!! Great to see!

@burnzillablue Год назад

Progressive steering done right, Belt drive in all sleds, and now a new motor and gauge that looks fantastic. This Catalyst could win sled of the year back to back, the 858 looks very good.

@pajamatime5750 Год назад

@@burnzillablue Sure does! AC may just be back!

@rewadena4371 Год назад

I wish they would a came out with a new 600. The C tech is old iron!! We are getting left in the dust on HP!!

@CalgaryDynastar Год назад

Maybe they will offer a factory turbo with warranty by 2030

@jdxjim 11 месяцев назад

Arctic Cat will be the next 1 to leave the Market. They just don't have the sales or dealer network to survive. Way more $$$ for them in ATV and UTV Markets. SLEDS are dying a slow death and will settle with DOO and POLARIS as the only 2 left . I know the Cat guys will Cry--But all you have to do is look at the industry sales year by year and you can see where Cat will see there is not enough $$$ left for them to keep building sleds.

@MikeMartin-gz6ix Год назад

I wish the dirt bikes Industry would make more. 2 strokes and the quad industry to

@christhibodeau4769 Год назад

YZ250

@RideFishHunt Год назад

Lot's of 2 stroke manufacturers for bikes, I have 2 quads, but they will never put a 2 stroke in one again. I think Bill Clinton did something back in the day to stop that. Trump gets back in it might be different.

@haydenp9254 Год назад

Many of the European dirt bikes are 2 strokes

@adampetten1009 Год назад

I'd walk over a bed of nails on fire to get a CR300 RX or RL

@dirtrider383 Год назад

There’s just not enough buyers for a all new 2 stroke atv

@gordonliddy9418 Год назад

Glad to see Arctic Cat bringing it to the competition! I would love to see this smoke ski-doo and polaris.

@eltonwhite8490 5 месяцев назад

that'll never happen !

@Ceemysix Год назад

Kudos to Cat and Textron for this development. If people had any idea how much money goes into developing new chassis and engines.

@dannikiforuk6454 Год назад

I'm very excited about Arctic Cat's new platform, and this new engine. When it comes time to upgrade, I'm definitely checking this one out.

@BERGERJeah Год назад

Two things, first off, I watched the release video at Hay Days and your explanation of the engine was much more interesting and in depth, so thanks for that. Second, I’ve always been a believer that for trail sleds an Arctic Cat 600 is the way to go, they have always have had a great balance of power and light weight. So the fact they made the 858 version lighter than the 600 version (still can’t wrap my head around that yet) tells me that this WILL be the best snowmobile available.

@mikeskidmore6754 Год назад

I still like Direct Injection. I don't need a Turbo . Methanol injection sounds like a great idea.. I want to race Cross Country .. that is for 600's only .. Was funny when all Polaris had to offer 1 year was the 650 Liberty .. then the next year they offered a 600 cc sled with an older model engine to be Cross Country Legal ..

@camaro69green31 Год назад

Thanks for your overview Luke. I know you very impressed with the Catalyst 6 that you reviewed last spring, you seemed to think it was Next Level!! Can you imagine how splendid the 858 will be all things considered?? Cant wait for your SnowTrax ride review on that puppy. Keep the Vids coming.... Especially the Cat vids!

@snowtrax Год назад

Lots more to come! Thanks and stay tuned!!

@aaronphillips2728 Год назад

I dont even ride snowmobiles (live where theres now powder) but love seeing 2stroke tech evolve coming from dirtbikes. Pretty amazing especially how low they mount it

@jlo13800 8 месяцев назад

How about a 440 v8 DFI 2 stroke for a dodge challenger!

@camaro69green31 Год назад

Cat has always had over engineered beefy cranks and crank cases in their 2 strokes especially the big bores... that's why they have always been the favorite for aftermarket big bore kits from D&D, Speedworx etc for big performance and reliability. I hope that Cat with this new crank has not gone down the road that Polaris and BRP have for so many years of weak cranks, bearing and crank cases that leave their faithful wrenching when they should be riding.

@jlo13800 Год назад

How about an opposed piston 2 stroke Arctic cat!

@speeder757 Год назад

That thing is going to be a beast and more sled than 90% if they would admit it. Great concept of the intake and exhaust on the front .

@speeder757 Год назад

@@ACatKromGood to know

@mikepierunek Год назад

@ACatKrom this is facts

@lmtada Год назад

Still riding my m1000 beast. 😂

@speeder757 Год назад

@@lmtada I guess I`m happy for you 😉

@brandon65678 Год назад

It makes more sense to increase stroke compared to just running a bigger bore, some manufactures put bigger pistons/cylinder on their short stroke 600 crank and wonder why it’s not reliable you’re putting more stress on the crank and bearings.

@Heinester 9 месяцев назад

sold i'm spring checking one. Game changer for the sled industry imo

@fnatomagan 10 месяцев назад

This Exhaust Valves look interesting. Can't wait to clean a set.

@mattscott7037 Год назад

Light is what is going to make this baby run. Hp/Lb the lower the weight the better the performance. I hope it is reliable to bad they don’t still use Suzuki’s. But this looks to be good. At least it is a 2 stroke and not electric like the auto manufacturers are trying to shove down our throats. Good job on the 2stroke.

@jlo13800 Год назад

4 stroke suck in cars trucks too. It’s outdated

@mattscott7037 Год назад

@@jlo13800 they should make giant 2 strokes. Can you imagine the California air resources board or CARB. They would be going insane. My truck has a 5.5 liter 2 stroke with 650 hp and 400 lbs of torque and has a 3 gallon oil tank for 100:1 premix. Revs 10-13k with a CVT. I would buy one just to have one.

@jlo13800 Год назад

@@mattscott7037 A 2 stroke that big and even sled 2 strokes make a lot of power much lower rpm, the 850 rotax etec is done at 7800 and 5.5l sounds like you have a detroit diesel 2 stroke 6v53! around 318 CID v6 2 stroke diesel. i got an 8v92 silver detroit 2 stroke out back and its 738 CID. The boat i work is the 210ft capt Woodrom that has detroit 2 strokes for aux engines, bow thruster and generators. the main engines are the EMD 16-645 2 stroke diesels which max out at 900 rpm's. All the engines sae40w low ash 2 stroke oil as hundreds of gallons of klotz techniplate would cost to much!

@mattscott7037 Год назад

@@jlo13800 that is awesome. I have heard they have giant industrial 2 strokes. Never heard of anyone who has been around them. Are they easy to work on? Sounds awesome. As far as my fake engine goes. It sounds much better than what it would be on paper. Thanks for the info. Thats so cool.

@jlo13800 Год назад

i would love to redo a fairbanks morse OP 2 stroke with big v-force carbon fiber reed valves or a carbon fiber rotary drum valves. making an arcticat 1716 OP out of 2 858's would involve making liner barrales with inlet ports on one end and exh ports on the other end. Now plumb each v-forece reed crankcase to the inlet ports and the exhaust ports has the other pistons ans amount a sliding power valve moved by the same 2 way servo! tis would make a 1716 laydown OP 2 stroke and turbo for the catylist!

@lobbyrobby 9 месяцев назад

I was away from snowmobiles for 20 years. Last year I bought a used 850 Assault. I absolutely loved it. I don't have it anymore and I've always been a Polaris guy but should I ever get another sled Artic cat has me interested.

@deanretzlaff2253 Год назад

I had 3 or more questions I was going to ask but you answered them all in you video..great job n keep up the great work…I haven’t got a new sled in a long time..looks like next year I will be ordering one..

@snowtrax Год назад

Awesome! Glad we were able to answer all your questions.

@MintIfYouSquint Год назад

Here's to hoping they turbo it or slap a supercharger on it in the future! Exciting stuff for Cat no doubt. Excited to see how the Catalyst is reviewed this winter and if nay media gets the chance to rip a pre-production model with the 858 in it.

@davidgervais4039 Год назад

I cant see them not offering a stock turbo in a year or 2..just like the other guys they want turbo it the first year model.

@malcolmwhite6588 Год назад

Can you do that I always understood it was nigh on impossible to have any sort of forced induction on a petrol two-stroke

@andrewtaylor2067 Год назад

@@malcolmwhite6588Ski-doo and Polaris have multiple models avalible with turbos from the factory, been about a year now😂 actually almost all 2-strokes benefit from forced induction besides the incresed complexity...

@malcolmwhite3567 Год назад

@@andrewtaylor2067 interesting I knew you could turbocharge 2 stroke diesels as they don’t utilise crankcase scavenging, so I didn’t realise that you could effectively force induct, two-stroke, gasoline engines

@jnmason6283 Год назад

@@malcolmwhite3567 The main disadvantage of forced induction on a gasoline 2-stroke is blowing out the fresh fuel/air charge out the exhaust ports. Ski-Doo overcame this by using direct fuel injection with high pressure injectors squirting fuel only when all ports are closed. They also have booster injectors behind the throttle bodies. Polaris uses transfer port injectors and flow patterns that minimize the charge losses but doesn't eliminate it. Arctic Cat's design is in between, with the injectors on the cylinder wall. Modern fuel injected and pinpoint oil injected 2-strokes are much better candidates for boost, but Ski-Doo's direct injection is the cleanest (and more complex) design.

@leeanderson5955 Год назад

Ski Doo fan here, but really pleased AC is coming to the party. Would still like to see Yamaha stand alone and get back into the game.

@jimmywoller7320 11 месяцев назад

Man… I’ve got some bad news for you brother!

@InvaderSS670 Год назад

A push/pull servo like the yamaha triples had in the late 90s, early 2000s.

@trailblazeratv6306 Год назад

Killer motor. Hopefully it'll last a long time in a sled. How many hours are they normally good for ?

@aaronmcfee506 Год назад

That actuator is for sure for boost

@donnatheroux6674 Год назад

I do hope they come up with a turbo to fit in their… if you can still service your engine.

@frankdepalma4409 9 месяцев назад

Great coverage, thank you for the information.

@anthonyross9276 Год назад

man i hope thoise 858's are bulletproof. Go cat go!

@timpetrie8782 Год назад

great looking sled and i like the design. I'm interested in the 600.the sled i ride is a 2018 zr 137 limited 800. Where is their a test ride event being held,would love to try one out.this season.

@stuclen1050 Год назад

I hope they got a triple coming next. 🤞

@SPCRacing1 Год назад

Sounds very impressive. 😀

@weeks350 Год назад

I like the fact it’s not a mono jug

@shawnmclaughlin7418 Год назад

Arctic cat was very smart soon as that deal ended with Yamaha bam now we got the 858 in a catalyst this will be the sled of the year.

@tylerseabook9423 Год назад

No it won’t 😂 doo and polaris are already miles ahead

@wasupfool5692 Год назад

@@tylerseabook9423How do you figure that? The Catalyst is extremely light, we need to see them on the snow and see how they perform before anyone can judge that.

@tylerseabook9423 Год назад

@@wasupfool5692 it’s blatantly clear the light weight cat will stand zero chance against the same weight doo or polaris that is turboed and over a 100 hp more at elevation. The facts are cat is miles behind the competition. Even comparing the naturally aspirated doo or polaris they are miles ahead.

@cn2673 Год назад

@@tylerseabook9423catalysts have been winning major races since they introduced them in said races…I.e last year

@Harpazoed 9 месяцев назад

How much torque? What’s the power band? My 900ZR was a low rever with electric power if set up right.

@MrRev232 9 месяцев назад

Stoked ! Yay arctic cat

@mikeskidmore6754 Год назад

It's less over square if it has a longer stroke .. Two strokes only make power while the rings are above the port windows.. The only difference between the Famous Yamaha RD-350 and RD-400 Motorcycles is that the RD-400 had a longer stroke. You also said they increased a longer bore after saying the bore was the same.. I think you meant the bore is the same and the stroke is longer.. which would make the engine less over square.

@glenholmgren1218 Год назад

Bullseye. Had an RD400 - VERY torquey! Brother had RZ350 with Power Valve …FUN!😮😊

@mikeskidmore6754 Год назад

@@glenholmgren1218 I had a 1976 RD-400 for a short time. I still have a 1984 RZ-350

@marklubecke4854 Год назад

Longer bores have gone out of style😂

@joeyholthusen6495 Год назад

That motor in a wildcat sport utv? Please!

@scott9696 Год назад

nice overview funny on the powervalves that yamaha did in 1998

@SnowmobileHomeMovies Год назад

I sincerely hope it is reliable and responsive. Having the most hp is less important. I do expect it to be the "most powerful" NA 850 in peak hp simply because it's the newest. I really hope the 850 Alpha is competitive in weight with Polaris - single rail and the new chassis makes it very possible. Taking the lightweight crown, even by a hair, would be the best thing Cat could ever do for sales, and if they fall short of that after a new engine and all-new chassis, it's a huge missed opportunity and nothing short of a failure. Still could be a great sled though, I'll be eager to test ride one even if it's not the lightest, but the key to sales in the mountain segment is weight.

@felixbergfors Год назад

Finaly Cat Is Stepping up whit a ''850'' class motor soon i think arctic cat will be as dominating of a snowmobile brand as it was in the 90s

@tylerseabook9423 Год назад

It will never be on too again. They are so far behind

@wasupfool5692 Год назад

@@tylerseabook9423Polaris was almost bankrupt and ready to sell out in the late 80's. SKIDOO jumped to number one with the introduction of the Rev in 2003. So it's never to late

@joeinmi8671 Год назад

Thank God ac is still in the game

@snowtrax Год назад

💯

@emmanueldelescaille731 Год назад

Arctic cat rules

@richjensen8965 Год назад

2 stroke was great Stihl dose some crazy stuff... I have an olde school Merc 1963 I think 463cc & pistons lay horizontal shoot bring that back center of gravity omg!!!

@jlo13800 Год назад

ACC OP 2 stroke Cummins

@jlo13800 Год назад

ACE

@dskofich Год назад

You could Never get me to part with my money on a first year Arctic Cat Anything! That said, I hope this works out for them.

@BrettMcNary Год назад

because this hasn't been tested for YEARS and they rushed it out......in the next few years

@Dooguy Год назад

AMEN>...........truer words never spoken.

@glenmallory9982 11 месяцев назад

I don’t think they rush anything out anymore. They need money so it needs to be right. I’ve heard rumors about a new big bore for about 4 years now. Same for a new chassis. COVID shutdowns screwed up American manufacturing so who knows how long this has been in the pipeline? Also I’m seeing perhaps Textron and Old Arctic are finally getting their ducks in a row and moving forward. The sled market is so much smaller now than just 8 years ago. It’s practically dead here in PA. The kids I teach mock sleds as a rich man’s toy only good for two months a year. They are into dirt bikes. We’ve lost three area dealers in ten years. The entire market has moved to mountain riding. Nobody makes a good sled for six grand anymore. We don’t get snow in Coudersport and the central Appalachians like we used to. Even the vintage restoration boom has faded away. It’s very disappointing. When Yamaha merged their operations with Cat I figured it was either a temporary fix or a way to fade out slowly. Because this has happened before. Just most folks these days don’t remember the other great brands that merged or got bought then faded away.

@gordonmckay914 9 месяцев назад

Good video. Excellent information

@snowtrax 9 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@jeffpierce3436 Год назад

No doubt, you guys are the catalyst that gets me pumped for POW!! I am ready to DOO IT!! 😂

@justinpitt8917 8 месяцев назад

This motor is gonna rip. No doubt about it. I’m a Polaris guy, but I may switch to cat once this motor prices itself. Awesome!

@terryattewell5842 Год назад

Great video as usual Luke. Seems to me a Cat 650 is next from Cat

@snowtrax Год назад

Thanks and yeah, that would be awesome!

@dougiep2769 11 месяцев назад

I’ve rode a 500 two stroke gp bike. I can imagine this moves a sled along nicely.

@jlo13800 8 месяцев назад

Scale this engine up to a 858 CID inline 6 2 stroke DFI with exhaust trapping sleeve valves. That you be fun in a big truck!

@Outdoors-and-Sports Год назад

Can’t wait to see a dyno on the horsepower.

@glenmallory9982 10 месяцев назад

Power to weight is everything. You don’t need a 1000cc motor if you keep the weight down.

@avz46 Год назад

EXCELENT!

@Joeys990 Год назад

658 coming right up!

@someonethatwatchesyoutube2953 Год назад

Put that on a street bike chassis!!

@dougiep2769 11 месяцев назад

Artic Cat should make motorcycles as well.

@duckdestroyer2412 Год назад

This engine uses the same Bore but a longer stroke than the 800. Would that not mean they could reuse the pistons (assuming the compression ratio is the same) from the 800 ctec in the 858? Also, I am a little nervous about the servo actuation of the exhaust valves. Would that not be a possible fail point? Compared to something like Ves or Rave valves which are more "mechanical."

@DaveScottADV Год назад

They would need a different wrist pin height unless they raised the deck height of the cylinders (longer cylinders).

@duckdestroyer2412 Год назад

@@ACatKrom I did not know that

@midlifemike4916 Год назад

Had a zr 800 with the servo. The The problem was the cables get worn out lol

@yukonjon5964 Год назад

@@midlifemike4916 this is a rod not a cable. no spring in this design. its way better.

@brandonkuske4185 Год назад

Any word on a four stroke in the new chassis?

@snowtrax Год назад

Just rumours so far!

@nicolec7290 Год назад

Like to have that on a go kart

@mikeherber8358 Год назад

Well; we will see how that goes

@downhomeonthefarm6464 Год назад

Who will be the first to adapt it to an ultralight aircraft?

@annybodykila Год назад

Sounds cool but sleds cost as much as a car, more in some cases.

@snowtrax Год назад

Depends on the sled and the car...

@seanc6754 Год назад

Man 170hp in something that small is pretty wild.. there are some 4cyl hondas that dont have that much hp lmao

@jlo13800 8 месяцев назад

Those are 4 joke strokes

@tonn333 Год назад

Only three positions for the powervalve? Seems odd

@dalinpenner9716 Год назад

That's one more then all others have

@MonteSBC400 Год назад

1000 is the Max. Been there for a 2 stoke. New tech might make it there. New sleds at 858cc. catching up! If a new manufacturer meets 1000. BRP did it years ago. That was a fun sled. It was so fast. 17 years ago. No mention of BRP. Already beat down for next year. Sorry they all try.

@mattteixeira6077 Год назад

Why doesn't arctic cat offer 2 stroke turbo trail sled

@snowtrax Год назад

My guess is they're working on it. Releasing this engine is big news for Cat though. If a turbo's coming, that'll be big news too.

@gunfire866 Год назад

One of the three companies need to make a propane conversion kit to there sleds. that would be kinda cool and it would be cheaper to buy fuel

@terrypikaart4394 Год назад

Yamaha had that push pull power valve for many yrs.

@pj68rt41 Год назад

Yes but there is other major design changes that haven't been discussed yet. I'm sure they will be detailed in time.

@RobBoryckiGolf Год назад

Everyone trying to catch up to skidoo

@mugger6685 Год назад

Nothing to catch up to They aren’t great. They look like crap.

@TrakSpock1 Год назад

Skidoo = revolutionary Isoflex oilless crank bearings which go knock, knock, knock, then boom. Any sucker that buys a Skidoo after the Isoflex crank bearing experiment is a moron. Last time i was in the Upper Peninsula, all the Skidoo riders were sitting at the bar because the temperatures were too low and Skidoo's provide no wind protection.

@TimberTramp 8 месяцев назад

Unfortunately knowing cat I am positive that we will be left wanting… they should have gotten rid of the mono-rail! I think bdx was building a 900 off the 600 motor, I’d go that route if a turbo for the 858 isn’t available.

@Jdogger1979 Год назад

isn't the 858 actually 794cc?

@carlatamanczyk3891 Год назад

I wondered for some time now when AC was coming out with an 850 class motor....

@robgoffroad Год назад

I'm a former Arctic Cat guy. But what I noticed is that ever since they moved on from the M-series chassis, their sleds have gotten a LOT heavier. Last I checked they're at least 50 lbs heavier than anything from Polaris. Then there's the issue where you have to snow-check a sled if you want one; no in-season sales. Can't say I'm a fan of that. Frankly, I was expecting them to announce (like Yamaha) that they were going to stop making snowmobiles in the near future. Now don't get me wrong... I look forward to seeing what they come up with.

@sammue6349 Год назад

Yeah, but if you hit a stump with a Polaris the risks of damaging something is waaaaay higher than with the tougher built Cat

@stevenkurz8202 Год назад

My alpha is light and nimble. Also haven't had any rail issues. I will be getting the 2nd year model catalyst if the first year models are sound

@korben8336 Год назад

How is man calling the Catylyst “such a well known amazing sled” when we’ve never really even seen it on the snow

@snowtrax Год назад

Well-known because it controlled the news cycle for the whole season last year. If you ride a sled, you know about the CATALYST. Luke can say it's an amazing sled because he's spent a TON of time on it from the intro, to a whole week evaluating it in the spring.

@justinsteinley4093 Год назад

I’ll still take my 185hp 850 Turbo R that’s 185 to 10,000ft

@timtorkelson7201 Год назад

Beast!

@mattteixeira6077 Год назад

I buy aftermarket turbo for arctic cat

@sweets3918 Год назад

Cute eagle 51

@ThisMFINGuy Год назад

I bought an m8 a few years ago and a xx side by side I’ll never buy another cat again!

@snowtrax Год назад

@jromem7313 Год назад

Im all for cat but wont be for another 2 years for any reliable reviews and might be 2 little 2 late. Polaris is already on there makeover year and skidoo is refining the gen5. Cat dropped the ball. Id buy one this year if it were available now i wont for another 3 years

@lusurama5080 9 месяцев назад

Arctic cat claimed 165metric hp for their 800, so it would actually be as high as 180 now

@charliepyle1626 Год назад

Can they make a motorcycle for Australia------ Please

@tnort101 Год назад

Ctec 2 made 160ish x 1.11 = 177.6 ish thats 9r territory “180” sounds like a lofty goal to reach

@mikealchin525 Год назад

If it was Yamaha built this would be bad ass

@RoyBurns-v7b 7 месяцев назад

Still don't think it will be my zrt 800 and my 1000 thundercat with 172 hp stock and more with the psi pipes.

@patriotsfan1236 11 месяцев назад

it's crazy to me that not a single one of the flagship manufactures are addressing reliability or innovating an improvement in 2 stoke reliability. Look how many people in the comments and on forums are asking for more reliability. who does their market research? do they not understand that most people will take an extra 15-20 pounds for increased reliability. none of the manufactures are really doing anything about it. They all have issues.

@midlifemike4916 Год назад

2025. Good god. Ill be dead by the next body style.

@yukonjon5964 Год назад

11% more than 160 is not 170 HP... it's 177.6 HP!

@EC_ATV_Outdoors Год назад

My big question is, why is textron shitting the bed so hard after buying the AC brand? They pretty much killed their ATV market by closing nearly all authorized dealer licenses and then dumbung down the products to slap Tracker brand stickers on them. Seriously, did anybody give a flying F about "Tracker". So why drip an iconic brand name for some specialized department store brand. They would have been better off slappimg a walmart sticker on them. I have the last "AC" Alterra 700, and its as reliable as the KQ 750 i had.

@wingsanthings7546 8 месяцев назад

Lighter than 600! I wonder how much more $$$ than the 600. This is what is killing the industry, marketing like this to go bigger/better and more expensive. Resulting in pricing the average consumer out of the market because of rising costs of sleds.

@raypara4036 Год назад

At the end of the day ...its still just a Cat

@rottweiler9535 Год назад

they finally caught up to skidoo with the push pull power valve and 3 positions, everything they did is nothing new, and every year for the past 40 years sleds are always 10 pounds lighter every year but somehow they still weigh 500 pounds, fastest way to go faster is to go on a diet.

@andredegoeij4742 Год назад

if you make the stroke longer vs. the previous your are becoming more under-square not over-square....

@n0yxl Год назад

I like the size and packaging into the chassis, but I'm relly baffled why these new engines aren't direct injected. DI offers so many benefits over port or indirect injection like more torque and better fuel economy. Is it cost? Lack of engineering?

@stevensullivan3121 Год назад

Fundamental reason is the fuel/oil charge lubricates the bottom end, wrist pins and cylinders. DI can't do that. Then transfers to the top end for compression and spark. 2 stroke 101. Mercury tried it with Optimax and also the Fitch injection system, didn't last.

@n0yxl Год назад

@@stevensullivan3121 Direct injection seems to be working pretty well for Ski-doo, right? How long have their Etec engines been around now, 10 years? Probably longer. I imagine that there is more potential for piston wash, but if designed properly it should be a non-issue.

@yukonjon5964 Год назад

@@n0yxl yes but note that the doo 850 added a non voice-coil injector near the intake for richer/faster acceleration. which when interpreted means better cooling and lubrication that the Di could not offer. more fuel is more reliability, thus the TBi will be the most reliable design. and Cat has by far had the most reliable 2 strokes. yes mileage may be down but reliability should be excellent.

@user-bd5md5cm2j Год назад

Yamaha may not be needed at all. Thats a better motor than the Yami

@john0270 Год назад

as a dealer tech I cant wait to fight cat for tech support and trying to get warranty on a new platform for my customers again...

@mattteixeira6077 Год назад

Without turbo cat can't stay up with skidoo or polaris

@snowtrax Год назад

Sold out of all their 600's and will sell out of every one of these engines too. Sales means they'll continue to innovate. Don't be surprised if you see ongoing evolution from Cat.

@wesdailey9964 Год назад

Looks awesome hope they protect the bottom of that block with some serious plastic skid plates could be serious if you found a rock or stump and now the 64 dollar question will they offer a turbo version like the others ????

@martinsundstrom2021 Год назад

No not now at least but maybe in the future

@bigrob1887 9 месяцев назад

Is the 11% increase due to clever engineering or just more displacement though? I would argue the extra 58cc has alot to do with that 11%. Yawn.

@jasoninglehart3923 Год назад

A 2010 Polaris IQr with a engine smaller than a 9r is all i see. Hopefully Cat proves me wrong. Tuff to sell sleds with almost no dealers...

@mxr248 Год назад

Hopefully it’s better than the last few year 2strokes they made. I was on the trails and guys were pissed they were blowing up.. just like some of the old Suzuki motors.

@snowtrax Год назад

Hear about every brand blowing up from someone or other.

@mxr248 Год назад

@@snowtrax well it was a specific year of Arctic cat cause numerous cat guys were talking about it at the bar..

@wasupfool5692 Год назад

@@mxr248kind of like the 850 Polaris then 😂 kaboom

@glenmallory9982 11 месяцев назад

Probably the old F1000 twin from a long time ago. That sled was fussy and even though it’s been gone for fifteen years plus it’s bad rep follows along. Now how much was truth and how much was people messing with the engine for more speed is debatable. People tend to tinker more with the hot sleds than the trail putt putts. That’s why you’ll see Fan cooled Jags from thirty years ago still powering the kids around just fine and the hot sleds all torn apart in the garage. It’s the nature of people and it’s been that way since the first hot two stroke was put in a Cat.