Are Driving Standards In Sim Racing Getting Worse? 

Zlappy has been saving replays for an entire sim racing career for this moment.

Zlappy is either the worst driver we've seen in a while or the unluckiest driver we've seen in a while.

About the Roval incident, the Orange car was driving along the blue/white line. The orange car couldn't do anymore while the white car was moving towards them. I would blame the white car.

“Guys, you’re racing fake cars on the internet” - Gold Jimmy, pure gold

At 11:00 I don't really get why it's not the white car's fault. Orange car was holding his line and the white car basically just drove into him and spun himself around.

10:05 I would have said it’s the white cars fault, they hadn’t completed the overtake and chopped across the orange cars line. I would argue they are now on a straight so the orange car is still entitled to a cars width of room if the white car hasn’t cleared him yet which he hasn’t at the contact.

For Zlappy, that one at Long Beach, you GOTTA make that move quicker than that. I feel like he bullied the GT3 car at that point to get under him at the Fountain and compromised his race a lot, then absolutely botches the mid corner and expects to just take the exit on the racing line - that's shitty. He could have left enough room so that didn't happen which is good situational awareness. The Ferrari that hit the Porsche in Forest Elbow even hit the WALL before hitting the Porsche 🤣

White Mx5 definitely should have left more space, orange left space and would've had to lift to avoid contact, whereas white could've just not chopped down

'Are Driving Standards In Sim Racing Getting Worse?' id say no, its just turned to quantity not quality

"watch the replay before you open your mouth" is great advice, there's been a lot of times i've had that gut reaction to moan and gripe, but than take a deep breath, watch the replay and been like "ok yeah I put the other guy in a shit place/should have seen him/wasn't as clear as I thought" and even if it wasn't my fault on review tried to look at it more like "what could I have done differently or better? what can I learn from this?"

I haven't been in a simracing crash for months. I also haven't driven in a sim in months. I think it's a coincidence.

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I've learned that advice at the end as well. Things can get really bizarre if you don't. Had one guy on LFM send me a message "complementing" my driving after we'd had a coming together at a race around Spa ... except I hadn't been involved in any crashes. He'd messaged the wrong driver. So, out of the goodness of my heart I decided to look at a replay of the race and find the incident he was whining about. Turned out it was his fault. He was complaining about not being given any room at the first chicane but replay showed the other driver gave him plenty of room and it was him who had caused the contact and taken himself out. Always ... check ... the ... replay ... before mouthing off.

Jimmy, I think you got the MX5 Roval one wrong. The white car was never clear of the orange car, and I know everyone and their mother cuts the exit to the backstretch chicane, but you can't assume that, and the white car just moved across the nose of the orange car obeying the track limits.

Hey Jimmy, just a heads up, @11:10, you *can* in fact use the red/white/blue runoff... that is within track limits. Presumably, the orange Mazda didn't know that, and was anticipating the white Mazda to give him space alongside the blue line of the apron. Just my two cents..

Thank you for the insight on my post, Jimmy! What you said lines up with what I heard from others in the comments on my original post and while I haven't run many races since then I have taken that advice to heart. Thanks once again!

Yes. They are. I’ve been online racing since 1999. People are getting way worse. The respect is all but gone.

6:22 It was the Clio drivers fault but just FYI the Clio doesn't have ABS so when you're new to the Clio in iRacing and over step the brakes you just go straight, also it's not a clear cut faster car than the Mazda or Toyota despite its 'class' in PCC.

Hello everyone! I’m Zlappy from all of those clips featured in this video! Thank you Jimmy for your views and opinions on all of these incidents not just mine! 🙏 Anyways I wanted to explain from what point of view I was in for all these clips. First clip: 0:30 I was the pfg livery porsche, the one that was punted across to the left. Second clip: 2:01 I was the Aston Martin on the inside. Third clip: 4:36 I was the green gtp behind the two involved in the accident. The black and gold Porsche gtp in front is one of my buddies and I only wanted to know who was at fault. 😂 Fourth clip: 6:59 I was the white Porsche gt3. Fifth and final clip: 7:45 Phew, okay I was the McLaren livery car the one on the outside. Please by all means let me know your opinions and views on these incidents! As a fellow sim racer I am here to learn if I make any mistakes! Thank you and thank you very much Jimmy 🙏😊 EDIT: I really don't understand why people think these crashes were my fault. I'm only 15 too

Really appreciate these videos. As a newbie, I’ve been posting my own experiences. It’s rarely clear cut and I often change my mind after watching the replay. Thanks Jimmy

I primarily race short ovals on iRacing. It's all about respect and etiquette. There's been rough patches and better patches. I feel like the last few weeks have been a bit better than things were toward the beginning of the season. I was seeing lots of revenge and intentional wrecking earlier on this season.

I would perhaps disagree with the multiclass inchident, because in my limited experiance with the rules of multiclass racing the sloqwer car isn't really obliged to give space. While I do agree that the GTP was slow off the corner I think that knowing they didn't get the exit they wanted the GTP driver should have left space on the inside. It is understandable that the GTP driver chose their line as they appeared to be in a tight race.

Kids see how “professional” drivers behave on track, and think this behavior is now acceptable.

zlappy started posting 19 days ago and has made 13 posts on that specific subredd and another one on another.

10:46 the line many people there is straight over the painted lines on the left. I expect the car in front was taking that line, where the car behind was sticking to the track markings.

Jimmy I feel like this happens any time you judge a clear sideswipe. For the incident at 3:33 I had to rewatch it just to make sure you seriously said the McLaren should take a penalty. The lead car clearly changes his line, turning into the middle of the track and swiping into the car working on a pass. He pit maneuvered himself. Incident at 4:36 is almost the same thing but at least there's some nuance being that its a multiclass incident. The passing car was clearly running him right into the wall. You aren't allowed to just make an unsafe pass and blame everyone around you. He had not yet completed the corner, and instead of taking the exit wide to accommodate the car on now his inside, he closed the door. Chicanes are not the same as other turns, you need to be aware that the guy on your outside is about to have your inside, and react accordingly. He misjudged, and pit maneuvered himself. The incident at 10:03, the white car clearly just turns right into him. He decided he was ahead enough, and just closed the door on him, and unfortunately for him he was wrong. He also pit maneuvered himself. You have a tendency to just give the front car a free pass on all actions he could possibly take because its his road. This just isn't true. Every pass starts with a guy poking his nose up, and there's a thousand things you're not allowed to do when defending. Ramming into your opponent is one of them, just because you're ahead doesn't mean you are now permitted to drive with complete ignorance to the cars around you.

I feel at 6:00 the Lamborghini had been overtaken but the move wasn’t 100% done. More like 97%. He came across while the Lamborghini was almost behind. Sort of a rac8ng incident.

4:58 Jimmer is an eggspert at the Long Beach fountain section 😹

Im brand new to this driving sim thing, and these videos really help me understand the etiquette and procedures due in these sort of races! Time to binge all the content I can haha

They've definitely been in decline. Seems like anytime something goes more mainstream you see this happen. Same thing happened with surfing. It exploded in popularity, with that lineup etiquette and adherence to the unwritten rules has gone out the window.

Orange mazda vs white mazda, it's 100% on the white mazda, just turn in across the nose of the car they'd been giving space too so cautiously just before. Not intentional, but very poor.

@10:21 that’s on the white car I’d say the orange car was on the very edge of the track limit and the white car has pulled across him before he was fully past

I know its not your wheelhouse, but I loved when you added in an oval sim racing stewards clip. When you have in the past you've been correct on your judgements!

I steward in our gt7 league and I agree with your decisions. It’s just that I read a lot of “I was all the way to the edge of the track I had nowhere else to go” (when sticking a nose into a space where it has no business). I always then say: use the pedal on the left…

10:15 i would actually put it on white car i thing he moved into oranges line, orange kept it straight compared to the white line but orange didnt

Also I love this epsiode of the Zlappy got into an accident show

MX-5 at Charlotte chicane. The orange car does not seem to know the fast way out of there through the apron, but the white car did and I think was expecting orange to go through the apron as well.

My most common crash is anticipation on corner exit as the overtaking car, there’s so many times where I’m chasing someone and time them perfectly, get on the throttle in anticipation of them doing the same on corner exit but then they just don’t and you smash into them, I reckon some guys are skilled enough do it on purpose, but the guys who don’t mean it, the guys who are quick but not consistent are so frustrating, you know you’re quick but you have to dial it back but not too far or you won’t get past anyway, hardest thing I’ve had to learn in racing

Love this Sim Crash series! Keep it up!

The black and the white car is a very hard one to call. Because it doesn't look like there's any contact. But like you said if you have to pin it on any driver it would have to be the white car.

I love this series keep this up man !

I think the white MX5 in Legaa23’s submission was the one at fault - not the orange. White moved across the track to take the racing line in front of the other car before fully clearing them, and Orange stayed as far inside as they could on a predictable trajectory. I feel like you can’t reasonably expect Orange to lift into an acceleration zone for a car that’s pinching you off the corner, and White wouldn’t have lost any speed giving a car’s width on the inside.

Keep doing these jimmy love this

not even 20 minutes ago i was watching the last one wondering when the next would be now im happy

Look at the back markers dash of the orange car. He was in 5th gear going into the corner.

12:26 is much more than just racing advice, trying to pick up that skill will also be useful in having control of yourself in unpredictable, testy situations.

9:30 That's all netcode right there. They never even touched.

My man, you usually get these right, but what on Earth was that take on the orange-white MX5 incident? The white car moved over to where another car was, already sticking to the edge of the track, without giving it any room and took itself out. How is that on the orange car accelerating in a straight line?

Absolutely love sim racing stewards. Entertaining and for someone entering the world of sim racing I learn so much 👏🏼

love this series

These are great. Always look forward to them.

This is my favorite SimJimmy content! Thanks!

This is by far one of the best racing segments on the entire internet. I just wish this was 25% of all of Jimmers content.

I love this series

3:18 - correct! It's an unfortunate racinf incident. Nobody's at fault! Jimmy is an *EXELENT* race judge👍

I like these videos. :D These incidents are hilarious

@7:24 the hand drawn painted Porsche looks pretty sweet ;)

Ayyyyy 14:29 Lupus Nocte music!!! One of my favourite artists!

9:53 the darker car just spun in a very unsafe driving distance

These are your best videos. Keep it up!

Brilliant! Love these.

Prototype incident on the last corner of Nords definitely had some netcode involved. The nudge happened before the cars actually touched.

Thanks Jimmy, great vid.

What a time to be alive looking at the quality of these games is unbelievable

every official race I get either wrecked from the lead or caught up in someone elses missed shift/problem. They need to suspend/ban more people but the business model will never allow for it.

Love this series, it's usually as educational as it is entertaining. Though, as someone who runs a Porsche 917k livery on my modern Porsche GT3 cars, I personally feel called out by this; 00:49 😅

On the Charlotte Royal, the track limits are way inside and you can drive across the red and blue stripes. I think the white car gave more than enough space.

on the assetto corsa touge part of the video as far as I know the ae86 car that was used is a drift tuned car so I think he was just trying to drift that specific section of the touge seeing as how he was slowing down and tried to whip the car around to maybe initiate a drift but didnt expect the miata on his side

10:45~ the white car cut across the orange car

Re the Clio V MX-5. I think the Clio was trying to back out of the move, but the MX-5 took the corner as if the Clio wasn't there so I would say both had a hand in the incident.

With more drivers been added to sim racing is safe to say that we get more “inexperience” or “bad drivers”. The sims/games are not good enough to improve the drivers skills. Drivers need to practice the basics for longer before driving with other drivers. Think like, how it would be if everyone just get a driver license and start driving, we get more accidents due to inexperience drivers. Simulators/games need a driving school something like Gran Turismo. It’s definitely needed. Otherwise, we can expect online racing to go to a bad stage.

Yes and its because a select couple of drivers at the top are getting away with nonsense and then everyone else follows suit because they think that's what it takes to be the best. The person with the highest IR in the world is notorious for dirty driving. Its not a good look for sim racing and certain drivers need to be put in their place.

Yes! People forget to just have fun driving and take it way too serious.

9:55 white guys fault mate

first accident looks more like the guy had a wheel spin tho

I have had great races all season, lots of good drivers to be happy about.

So much of this happens to me on GT7. No one understands how to race on that game, i get dive bombed all the time and its so damn frustrating. I give everyone a fair amount of space and they still will just get side by side and push me off the track. I guess my point is, everyone thinks theyre playing need for speed and it drives me crazy lol

Great video! More of this please 😃👍👍

thank you for the episode mr. B

with the mazdas at Charlotte I kinda felt like the orange car didn't know you can run on the apron coming out of that corner. but I do feel a lot of people post stuff on srs in hopes of being mentioned in your videos.

Ah, too short, please give us more!

On Nürburgring's last corner issue, there's no contact. The driver on the outside pushed the throttle a little bit more and spin his car. It happens all the time.

Orange vs White in the bustop chicane is entirely on the white car. They were alongside in the corner and ran the orange car wide, then tried to slam the door whilst there was still an overlap. I certainly wouldnt blame the orange car when they're already on the edge of the track, and it's not their responsibility to prevent contact because white car was being aggressive. Smart move is to back out in IRL, but in virtual racing I think karma was swift.

@14:50 Lexus driver was just a Forza Drivatar. (so tired of being knocked that same way after they catch my pace by rubberbanding)

2nd last clip: i‘m a pretty quick driver and it happens all the time that slower driver just brake like 20-30m earlier than i do, leading to a inevitable bump most of the time… i can see the BMW is a SILVER driver , which is not PRO but able to race to some extent, still not on the Pro level as the Lexus. so i think this was just a driver level difference as i think the Lexus could‘ve mad that corner easily with that braking point.

"Watch replay before opening your mouth" no truer words have been spoken.

For the blacker car in 9:39, I feel like it spun before it made contact with the whiter car

Ref the Redbull Ring incident: It's weirdly counter intuitive to steer to the often safer, outside of the corner when you've missed your braking point, and have zero chance of making the corner in any way, shape, or form! 😂

did not know Gran Turismo 7 could look that nice

*10:46* I thought the white car came across the orange at this point when he has all the space on the right to leave for orange on the inside.

14:39 actually helped him through the corner on accident, maybe bro running into everyone is right and everyones just going too dang slow😂

That yellow lamborghini did a textbook judo takedown

For the Mazda clip, I'm saying it's on the white car. He didn't give the orange car enough room to stay on track, and you can't force someone off track

With the white and black LMP3s I would say its on netcode. The black car starts to rotate without the white car having touched it.

10:54 imo the white car cut in way too early so its on him. Like they werent at the corner yet so the orange had no reason to back off.

10:00, the one angle certainly looked as though there was NO contact. Might have been the game...

In all fairness to Zlappy, I'm glad he can still post his crashes, his fault or not, and try to learn from it, he didn't seem salty when he titled the posts so it seems he's at least level headed and willing to learn

Thanks Jimmer!!!

That GT7 footage looked real

Jimmer, we need this to be a regular feature ... often.