Are Kasrkin Secretly S-TIER!? | 10th Edition | Astra Militarum Tactics 

Thank you for the credit. 😄 Now let's wait for Auspex to pick this up and then we shaped the meta. 😄 As I mentioned on discord the day after, the only other datasheet we have access to that is able to do something in reserve is the Callidus Assassin. She can use her Reign of Confusion while in reserve, which is great for any Imperium army. She still is used alot in the meta.

Ok. Fine, fine, fine…. I’ll start painting them……. Happy?

I had assumed this was how this works, but I also wasn’t really using reserves well. I’ll want to give this a go, I do love my Kasrkins.

What's crazy is this is, as Mordian called it: The gift that keeps on giving. Kasrkin are already decent but they got a points decrease, a new tech, what's next? I just watched a Liam Dempsey stream where Guard had two units of Kasrkin. Didn't use scout, didn't use warrior elite, the entire squad was 1 hot shot volley and mas lasguns. Complained the entire time about how Kasrkin are dogshit. I genuinely believe no one really knows how to use Guard. 90% of Battlereps on yt are guard players forgetting crucial rules like Death Befitting an Officer, FNP, Born Soldiers, everything. Guard has so much potential.

Tau had beeb abusing this with a solo Ethreal for a while. Keeping it off the board trying to generate CP and then having it walk onto the board somewhere safe/tactical later in the game

Mordian has waaaaaaay to high of an idea of how much damage 2 plasma guns, a S4 sniper and two melta guns can actually do.

Okay every time I start looking into a unit you do a cover in it haha. The scions awhile back the Malcador and now the kasrkin 🎉

I think your interpretation of the rules there is correct that's how I'm going to play it might even take them in my all infantry guard list to a GT next month

Ok hear me out kasrkin squad with 2 plasma 2 melta with a cadian Castellan with drill commander attached in reserve, turn one you give them take cover with their warrior elite ability and on your opponents turn 2 you rapid ingress them close enough hopefully to a target within 12 in. They’ll still have the extra pip of save cuz it lasts until your next command phase. Then if they survive (at least the special weapons anyway) you stand still to benefit from sustained and lethal hits on 5+, give them take aim and FRSRF, tag your target with an exterminator Russ or field of fire for extra AP and open up with the kasrkin. Competitive? Probably not, ton of fun if you pull it off though? Absolutely.

Fun Fact: Another faction which profits from that rule are Tau. They can put their ethereal in Reserve and he will generate CP in safety. Because his rule those not state he has to be on the board for that. (In comparison to for example leontus)

Kasrkin squad ready for war

Just a heads up, Kriegers are 30 points more than Kasrkin for a 20 man unit. Kasrkin are 100 points now.

Allthou what im wondering about is the first line. "Any unit that STARTS the battle". And if you use the reinforcements stratagem, they technically didnt "START" in reserves. hmmm....

Depending what im fighting i use reinforcements on my armored sentinel or scout sentinel for the daring recon ability to help ignore indirect fire.

I mean for Rules as Written it makes sense to me. Just to confirm they have to come in by themselves from reserves not in transport at all?

This is why I sometimes think the Kasrkin and the Scions have a flipped ability. I've been using them this way since the start and I've been having a blast sending the kaskrkin as a vanguard then letting them do work, if they get blasted they reinforce on the side and do some more work.

Warrior elite should work in reserves. I’m not so sure about voice of command because that always has a ‘target regiment unit within 6”’ caveat. Even though logically they are within 6 of themself, you can’t measure when not on the boatd

Well I guess I'm going to have to move up my scratchbuild kasrkins in the priority queue. Also using them with the hades breaching drill will be pretty brutal.

Does this work if their in reserve in a Valkyrie so then when the flyer comes in and they jump out is it applied?

I think it should be viable. If units can use abilities while in reserves, then this ability should be able to trigger. They cast it on themselves. Now, we only need to be able to order embarked attached units with the rule that they have to disembark immediately after. That'd make both Kasrkin and Scions DEADLY.

The only other time I heard something like this brought up was for World Eaters on Art of War. They suggested a MOE with the favored enhancement in reserve. Possible maybe, but it just feels wrong as a World Eaters player myself to have a rule that my opponent has no way of turning off or interacting with.

Does this mean scion command squads can use it on themselves and the units they are attached to? With grand strategist have first rank and take aim?

Love your videos!!!

Ah! I hadn't considered that yet. Might make more use of em this way. Would you slap Ursula on them for the three order sammich if they survive for one round?

I've seen this in action

Not only does it work on kasrkin. But also on any character with kurovs aquilla and the calidus assasins reign of confusion

I like it a lot it works with the lore.. always sending in the next wave lol

Kasrkin are literal beats with servitors

So would that increase if you set them in a chimera as a chimera has the rule that officers may issue orders while inside the chimera so if you put a command squad and a Kasarkin squad you could double up your points while issues orders to raise blastic skill

Awaiting for Catachans to maim.

I’m suddenly glad I have 30 Kasrkin (and then some)

Does that work on infiltrators in a transport. Kinda like scout units in a transport

I was wondering if this was a thing, didn't know about that line in the commentary. I'd say it works, and makes the Kasrkin even better. Also would be great if we didnt have to cross reference rules buried in two different large documents just to know how the game works.

This means you can deep strike Lion and have his primearch of the first legion ability too

Seems legit. The wording definitely seems to allow such a thing

They can order themselves the turn they walk on the board. And keep coming back.

This is how ive seen people use models like Abbadon for his selecting his aura ability, sounds like it works to me 🐙🐙🐙🐙

Yah that works, we discussed that on reddit a while ago. Good but not game breaking ☺️

Tbh, the Warrior Elite rules seem to imply it works regardless of where they are. There's nothing in there that mentions where the unit is, just that it happens in the command phase and lasts until the next command phase. The rules regarding abilities in reserves just reinforces it. For example, Deep strike falls under the 'abilities' for a unit of Scions. If their 'Deep Strike' ability didn't work because they were in reserves, how would it be able to work?

How about rapid ingress?

I'd say they are good I bring the pain every time I play them, they are the scalpel to my enemies army they are the hammer of my lists.

Ok so my question is: when you target the kasrkin with send in the next wave, does the units vox caster allow you to possibly regain 1cp back? The vox caster rules says it's used whenever the unit is chosen as the target of a stratagem...

It better when they have cadia castellan enchance drill command combo with hade breaching drill it destory everything they saw

Continually respawning suicide squads. Amazing

i think hellstorm maelstrom already covered this.... and i think even the troll of 40K said roughly some abilities can be others can't depending on if the unit has to be on the board or not

I feel like Kasrkin+Castellan+Drill Commander is already underrated. Just two plasmagunners with Take aim and frfsrf can do so much.

wouldn't "In addition to" mean that they must have received an order to use the ability?

We all knew this already Mordian. What we really need clarification on is if officers are always considered in range of themselves like other characters are for aura abilities so a 15 man scion blob could come in from deepstrike with 2 orders.

Are you going to cover wyverns in a long form video?

Wait, is that can work for the Deathstrike targetting ?

Is it just me or does the Karl in unit just not do a lot of damage even with a castellen with drillcomander. I never feel like they can kill anything important

Can you disembark from vehicle after coming from reinforcement? You are embarked since the game started in reserves. Because then you hide the Kasrkins from one side. Another question, getting FRFSRF isn't better than +1bs? You can put a castellan and 2 volleys and 2 plasmas , 1 sniper, you have 7 plasma shots, 22 hotshot lasgun shots, 1 sniper shot with sustained hits on 3+.

You say that theres no range measurement in reserves....but if an officer is IN the unit it doesn´t need to measure it....and psykers could use their ability ( 4 + Inv ) there too....or did i get it wrong

Would that mean that Gaunt's Ghosts can order themselves in reserve as well?

I thought they changed the rules so squads could only take one of each special weapon

Yes Kasrkin can order themselves in reserves

you know, i heard a wise man say: "If an headline contains an ? , the answer is usually "No""

I'll say that if this is how it works the ramifications would be huge what if there is an I don't know a artillery unit with a ability to fire at something? not likely yes but the idea of it XD

So, a kasrkin team paired with a hades breaching drill can deep strike anywhere on turn 2, and all hitting on 2s

seems like a decent option, but scions can do it anywhere on turn one for a few points more no?

Given "Voice of Command" is an "Army Rule", doesn't this mean that Officers leading a squad or similar can also order their units (and potentially also units that are also in reserve), by the wording of the reserves rule when it says "... rules and abilities"? In theory, you could abuse this a fair bit. Let's say you put a Castellan in reserve with 2 units of Infantry squads in reserves, unattached. If we were to imagine that units in reserve do occupy space (e.g., we give them fake coordinates on the map that represent reserves), then those 2 Infantry units would potentially be in 6 inches. This means that the Castellan would be able to order those squads if they were to deploy, e.g., one turn 2 and turn 3. So an officer could sit in Reserves pretty much all game and just give orders to units in reserves for the turn they come on - assuming you want to trickle them out like that.

The IMPLICATIONS...

Wouldn't you also be able to use an attached officer to give them orders? Because the orders aren't going 6 inches, the officer is whispering sweet nothings in the squads ear

Aeldari Skyrunners get the CP bonus off the battlefield, while the other 2 variants do not.

Wife got me a team for my birthday so, time for Kasarkin? Lol

This is a left over from 8th I believe. People were doing off board shenanigans and so GW made a rule where you couldn't use abilities off the table. Then people pointed out that deepstrike could no longer work. I don't remember all the specifics but since then GW has been careful about the wording of abilities and language like "if this unit is on the battlefield" started popping up. Ork players: nobs w/waagh banners can call a waagh off the board. Get krumpin!!!

I'll probably get these guys just so I don't have to paint faces 😂

Voice of Command is an ability, so in theory any officer attached to a unit in reserves should be able to issue an order to its own unit, because it doesn’t have to measure to itself.

Yes you can.. i think even you can do it in a transpoort, (cant find where is says you can not. Fire deck weapons does not has the benafits tho )

HI MORDIAN

Always have been, Cadia Stands

Correct interpretation but I'm still just not sure they're good enough and have high enough damage output to really justify it

How do you even buy these models? They are NEVER in stock anywhere it seems.

Ethereals get their CP even while in reserves, this is 100% legit

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YEAAAAH

Didn't u already make this vid

I, uh, dunno. I played 2 games with Imperial Guard so far, and my Kasrkins get butchered in melee. First game, by Incubi and Kabalite Warriors that carved them apart in melee. To be fair, they were killing everything with double orders before the Kabalite Warriors could get within charge range, so they lasted like 4 turns? Second game, they got slaughtered by Chaos Bikers and Plague Marines. Sure, they wiped out a maxed squad of Khorne Berzerkers beforehand. Both games, I won - the first, because my Commissar tanked a Dark Lance like a boss when I rolled a 6 for his invulnerable and secured an objective, and the second, my tanks essentially tabled my opponent with plasma and volkite (and a Rogal Dorn). Another point is that they have hot-shot lasguns, hot-shot volley guns, hot-shot snipers and plasma guns (because plasma guns are rapid fire and benefit from the first rank, fire! second rank, fire! order now), so they are not going to do much anti-vehicle duty, even if you give them Strength 9 meltaguns with 12" range. They won't do anything against, say, Knights or even Leman Russ tanks. So what do you mean by "S tier"? Sure, they are deadly, but they are fragile. Bring them from strategic reserves (or don't), they wipe out infantry with amazing shooting thanks to double orders, and then they get charged and die. They don't do much against high Toughness tanks, vehicles and monsters, even with meltaguns. If all you need for "S tier" is damage output, then they are certainly S tier, but if that rank requires more than simply annihilating units (such as durability, holding objectives, etc.), then I don't know?

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I’m fairly sure they used this exact example during the errata. Now let me take you a step further Mr Glory. Add a castellan. 2 plasma, 2 hot shot volley (no sniper). FRFSRF That’s 15 hot shots guns, 10 hot shot volley and 6 plasma gun + 2 plasma pistol shots hitting on 3s with sustained hits. Average of 5-6 extra shots…

Doesn't seem that good to be honest. Against marines or other guardsmen in cover at half range you only average one more wound. Seems meh, especially since on marines the wound doesn't even mean a kill half the time.

If Kasrkin could deepstrike, like a more advanced Scion then I'd buy into 40k as they remind me alot of ODSTs but they don't and that's a shame

Ah yes, more guard propaganda just in time for my lunch break 😋

This would be a great idea if GW could supply models like Kasrkins in Australia. 10th ed. Is a big FLOP! GW IS A BIG FLOP!😡

this is extremely frustrating... the info youre speaking about regarding reserve units i cant find ANYWHERE... i know it exists obviously. but the core rulebook and everything else only talks about "strategic reserves" not "reserves".... nor does it go into proper detail explaining the rules like this. we should be able to access this kind of important info easily but we cant and thats EXTREMELY aggrivating...

....Always were.....

Dude a single unit who isn’t s tier? Kinda makes tier li useless start ranking ss and sss