Hey Layne. I watched your interview with Rich Roll and toward the end you said that being in this line of work can be frustrating because there can be this sense that you're not making a difference. Well about 10 years ago I emailed you and told you that I was just dumped by my girlfriend, was like 80lbs overweight and a drunk. I told you that I was going to start to rebuild my life with everything you taught about diet and fitness and use that as a bedrock to turn my life around. Well now im jacked, got her back, have two kids, I'm sober and financially successful and stable. Obviously there was a lot more to it than that but you were the inflection point and my point of reference for a long time while I was struggling to keep grounded. You made a difference to me man. The whole difference.
The bio of the author of the article at Vox explains it all: "Kenny Torrella is a staff writer for Vox’s Future Perfect section, with a focus on animal welfare and the future of meat. He’s also the author of Meat/Less, a Vox newsletter designed to help readers incorporate more plant-based food into their diets. Prior to joining Vox, he worked in communications and public policy at animal welfare nonprofits, and his writing on animal welfare has appeared in Fortune, Conscious Company, GreenBiz, and the Independent. "
@@ThatGuy2428 Why would you want to maximize protein? Could you please provide any reason why the average person needs more than 1.2 g/kg of protein; or over 1.6 g/kg if your a typical weightlifter trying to gain muscle ASAP. Even Brad Schoenfeld, a leading expert on bodybuilding and protein consumption says you're not going to get any significant muscle growth by consumer over 1.6 g/kg. A person can easily build or maintain muscle with 1.2 g/kg. So your answer can not be to build muscle, because the research is clear. The only reason is that protein is a money maker; fiber is not. Also, I don't know what moderation is. That's more nonsense to get people to buy junk food.
You are totally right. I am a physician and is confused by all the rhetoric from carnivore to veganism. The critics constantly make mountains out of mole hills. I keep coming back to the adage that moderation is the key to life. Simply eating a diet of a variety of Whole Foods with moderate exercise is the way to go. Thank you for your due diligence and video content.
If you’re a physician you shouldn’t be swayed by irrational and ideological zealots on the internet who don’t understand nutrition. Kind of concerning you just admitted that as a doctor you have been “confused by all of this.
@@thegalaxycosmos7703don’t be rude. There are “expert” physicians and scientists who can’t agree on the data. Major medical journals publish contradictory studies every year. It’s perfectly normal for the average medical professional to feel confused regarding the data.
As a practicing MD with a high level of interest in lifespan and healthspan, Dr Layne Norton is one of my trusted experts along with a number of others…not only does he have scientific data to back up his recommendations, but he is a practical and realistic source of information.
Bodybuilders, before the age of rampant performance enhancing drug (PED) use, ate large amounts of protein and had perfectly normal longevity rates. Lifespans for bodybuilders only started to decrease after PED usage increased in dosage. This demonstrates that as long as one has healthy kidneys, a large quantities of protein is not deleterious.
I like your full rounded critical analysis. You give credit where it is due but cut the bull shit too, again thanks for continuing what you do, regardless of the haters.
I agree 100% with the article. Too much whey protein and beans in my diet has exponentially increased the frequency and volume of my farts, rendering me a low level biohazard
Beans can give some people gas. Just throw the soaked water away & then cook it you'll probably be good. Also add fiber in your diet with fruits, Veggies & Grains.
I fart all the time But hey, I’m getting stronger every month I’ve lost 15 kg fat in 2 years - Recently started becoming the secondary instructor for submission wrestling
I'm a progressive and consider myself left wing. I also despise when outlets use fear mongering and misrepresent facts to be disingenuous while pushing their argument. Like you said, they really should make an honest and ethical argument without the obvious bias.
Did you read the article. It's very short. Please let me know specifically how Vox was fear mongering or misrepresented facts in this specific article. All Kenny Torrella (Vox) said is people are eating too much protein and not enough fiber. That is a widely held opinion among nutritionists. Why do people need to consume 1.44 g/kg or more of protein? Do you more trust the corporations who are pushing the most expensive marconutrient and not pushing inexpensive fiber?
@nattyfatty6.0 Claiming you are some neutral party is not in fact an enlightened position, it just means you're a closet conservative who doesn't want to be associated with the far right.
I eat three pounds of ground beef every day along with several cups of white rice and some fruit. I just had blood work and my total cholesterol was 156 which is the lowest it has ever been. My HDL and LDL were perfectly normal. All this while taking nearly a gram per week of testosterone cypionate, Primobolon, and NPP. What I don't consume is alcohol, bread, seed oils, and vegetables. I'm almost 61 years old and walk three miles every day and lift three times a week. Also, PSA was 0.4.
One potential unintended consequence of this article could be that the target audience (vegans) who could possibly benefit from actually upping their protein, ends up lowering their protein intake. Very weird article overall. Misinformation harms.
Vox isn't appealing to less than 1% of the population. This makes no sense from a business standpoint. And we all know these are all for profit businesses.
I honestly doubt that vegans were the target audience. Even Dr Nagra ripped this article apart by showing that, no matter the source, higher protein intake increases longevity. Though, plant protein seems to increase it more, but this can have many reasons that have nothing to do with protein metabolism, like higher intake of fibers, less saturated fats etcetera.
I always wonder how all 4 of my grandparents lived into their mid 90s without influencers and media telling them what to eat. I saw them eat meat, fats, carbs, and even some sugary treats now and then. I guess they would have lived decades longer had they cut all of that stuff out.
Do you wonder how kids as early as 10 yo are developing diabetes. Do you wonder how people can smoke for 60 years and not get cancer.... it's called anomalies
Thank you so much for saying out loud the thoughts I have as well. I like your videos. i am one of those people who have thrown up my hands recently. Just seems like nothing I eat is good enough, or the right thing. Can't win for losing.
Yeah idk, i think there are some legitimate concerns about high animal protein diets with cancer and high cholesterol. I don't think layne addressed that in this clip. He just talked about the benefits of protein for lbm and muscle growth. Great, that is a well understood benefit of protein. That doesn't address the cancer and heart health concerns of eating too much protein which are legit. I know china study is often dismissed but there are a lot of links to cancer with igf1 and animal protein - layne would love to hear you address those concerns more head on
The problem is now the plant based guys are saying even vegans need to get down to RDA. Getting down to RDA is basically impossible unless you restrict calories or eat isolated sources of carbs. Neither of those seems healthy. I’m Whole Foods plant based and double the RDA without even trying. There’s a difference between what they used to say about animal protein and what dr. Gregor is saying now, which includes plant sources too.
I like this style of presentation. You always have so much great information, but the sensationalism approach gets to be too much at times. This may be your best video yet, both in content and presentation.
Great video Dr Norton, i am so glad i found this channel. So much misconceptions in out there. I found myself wrapped up in food anxiety, from all these crazy misconceptions and heath zealots.
Excellent vid here. You said exactly what I was thinking when I first saw this article pop up - complete hit piece. The first paragraphs I was willing to listen, but as soon as it mentioned excessive protein consumption is wrecking the planet... Greenhouse gas emissions com etc ... I checked out and knew where the plant-based editor ultimately was steering the article to.
I’m a Whole Foods plant based athlete and the issue that I have with the PB docs saying we need to eat RDAs of protein for longevity and cancer prevention is that it’s just not pragmatically possible. I need 3000 to 3400 calories a day. If I eat that from whole plant foods I double the RDA without even trying. That’s not with added powders or fake meat or even high amounts of soy or beans. It’s just too easy to get protein from Whole Foods. Everything has it and it adds up. The problem is that Dr Gregor says it’s not restriction it’s just going to recommends levels. Those levels are pathetically low though. So it IS about calories/protein restriction. The lighter you are the less protein you need. So even if you’re scrawny and could get by on 1700 calories a day you would still be getting the RDA for a muscular man weighing 75 kilos. And if you’re thriving in 1700 calories then you are not a muscular man weighing 75 kilos. The math doesn’t work in reality. You would have to either eat non Whole Foods (a lot of dextrose or something) and/or you would have to me insanely sedentary to reduce caloric needs. None of this is healthy. So I will continue to do what I’ve always done. Which is eat enough calories to fuel my healthy athletic lifestyle and assume the docs are wrong with thier crazy low protein recommendations. Again, they aren’t saying we only need 60grams a day. They are saying going above that will give you cancer. Hard to believe.
Yeah, people don't eat too much protein, but they are overly concerned they eat too little. Nicely pointed out that people just eat too much food in general.
Great episode this Layne. It’s bothersome that they throw around ‘protein’. It is such a nebulous term and we need to be start being more descriptive than that. The article you refer to, would be better off served looking at obesity or “under-muscled American” than protein.
as someone who plans to tackle a fast food diet, i intend to prove you can eat healthy and on fast food. however as a person who doesnt upload, i cant say much to the results.
America is not obese because of eating lean chicken, fish, beef in excess. What obese person says “I got fat because I was eating too much grilled chicken breast.” None. It is because of the overconsumption of fat and carbs. It simply doesn’t make sense. People would be way healthier if they ate more lean protein and limited saturated fats and didn’t over eat carbs. It’s important how Layne pointed out that the overall consumption of calories has increased, meaning that protein along with fats and carbs have increased and this article is simply picking out the protein for the authors agenda.
100 %. And you can really see that the reason for demonizing protein is that people in the US get most of it from animal products and i dunno, i guess they wanna ”shock” people to be more ethical and sustainable, but that doesn’t happen with the fear mongering. This exact article could’ve been written about saturated fat or carbs as you mentioned.
Nice commentary - just to add the green-house gas argument for everything just annoys people and I think makes them more resistant to making the real changes needed.
Great video thank you! I had a blood test and it showed I was taking too much protein and that was taxingy kidneys. I only take 20 grams of whey in addition to 3 meat/egg meals per day. The doctor told me to cut my whey intake in half. I exercise daily so I am confused.
Read the Antonio et al reference you cited and it does not show high protein diet is safe or healthy…it was an 8 week study in college aged participants measuring body composition…so this RCT has a pretty low strength of evidence when it comes to health/disease.
Taurine and GlyNAC Does supplementation make any sense if total protein/day is >2g/kg in 3+ doses >.6g/kg mixed meal with >50% from whey/eggs/fish? Healthy 63y/o man, VO2max 40+, 90 Kg deadlift, BMI 21.5
Layne sells protein. He likes to make people obsess about protein even when most people clearly get enough when you look at the girth of their waist. Protein is one of the things Layne gets wrong, but he might lose out on all the views and money if he starts bashing animal protein.
@@ladagspa2008 protein consumption does not impact waste size, over, or underconsumption of calories does. Also, lifestyle strongly influences how much protein human beings need. You are incredibly stupid and would be best served keeping your opinions to yourself.
What educational resources have benefited you most in learning Sports Medicine and Exercise Science? ANy specific books, online resources, etc? RU-vid is a convenient way to learn but there sure is a lot of muck to weed through. Anyone else have amazing recommendations for learning? I did go to PT school and have a DPT but I have been out of school for a while and am eager to dive back into books and educational resources outside the norm.
Yeah, protein or calorie intake in the last 110yrs hasn't really gone up in the US. Has been some deviations, but pretty stable. Quite a few have been eating too much protein the whole time. It would appear eating too much of anything is not good for you. Adjusting for height differences, protein and calories would be down compared to 110yrs ago. I guess usage of protein and calories is down more, so protein intake is up, on what we need. Protein is too expensive to be eating too much to be just pissing it up against the wall.
Sad to say to anyone giving debates in the comments... Let's be serious, even if sources are sited & linked- nobody checks or compares. Knowledge & understanding meet with confusion/bias always ends with "give sources" while avoiding to prove their own sources. It's a big nothing burger. Keep up the good work Layne, idk what to think or eat anymore-might just try an air diet.
It’s not so much how much protein can you eat before gluconeogenesis, but rather, does the body need to engage this pathway. E.g. to stabilise blood sugar levels due to prolonged fasting.
What about Valter Longo's finding that people who had 20% of their calories from protein had 4 times as much cancer as people who had 10% of their calories from protein ?
I have lost over 30 lbs by eating 200 to 300 g of protein per day keeping my calories under $2,000 per day. I feel great. Using foods like fat-free Greek yogurt is high in protein also whey protein shakes keep the protein High and the calories low.. then I switch up one meal a day of red meat fish or chicken
In 2024, the most foolish thing anyone can do is take a "peer reviewed study" seriously. The scientific community has not done itself any favors over the last 5 years, and if people can't hear the bias in these studies, I feel bad for them.
thanks for this video! but aren't you doing exactly the same right now as what they're doing? you're saying they're only painting part of the picture, but you also aren't mentioning the health-issues with eating animal products (certain meats and obviously processed meats being a class 1 carcinogen, etc)?
