I think the Overlord is like a shadow of the First Spinjitzu Master. Everyone has their dark side, but for a being as powerful as the FSM his dark side probably manifested itself into reality in order to balance his meer presence in the world. That darkside was Overlord.
Same I thought it was the oni side of the first spinjitsu master since we never see him upset for nothing and we know he never picked a side so what if in order to keep Ninjago safe, he tried to destroy his oni side but ended up separating him from it entirely
In the last season the overlord was seen as kind of oni form and in season 2 like a dragon, so that could be true because the FSM is stated to be both oni and dragon. So the FSM could be the good side of oni and dragons and the other side is the overlord.
FSM - An oni-shaped being that uses mostly creation but can tap into destruction Overlord - A (originally) dragon-shaped being that uses mostly destruction but can tap into creation Yeah in hindsight these are perfect opposites. I do not think that the overlord must be FSM's brother. I think that he originally might have been born from the power of the 3 oni masks: vengance, deception, hatred. These 3 character traits are very much a part of the overlord. Nothing can really describe him further.
And if you look at the crystal king in crystallized (which has been confirmed to be the overlord) looks a lot like an oni and the brick built crystal king has four legs a tail and wings
Well the overlord doesn't really hold a grudge, he doesn't really want revenge or anything he just wants to control Ninjago, he even tried to recruit Lloyd to his council which isn't something that someone with a grudge would do
I have a Ninjago theory. Has anyone ever stopped to think who Wu and Garmadon’s mom is? Remember Mistake? The oni lady from the Hunted season? Not only did she meet the FSM, she seemed to know him quite well…
Actually, I've alway thought the Overlord could be The Master's brother. Both despite having the powers of Creation or Destruction they always favor one over the other, and have only ever used the other element once (Th Overlord using Creation to make his Stone Warriors and The Master using Destruction to Split Ninjago). And it would explain why the Overlord acted like he knew Garmadon personally, as he was his Nephew. So I guess It makes sense. Maybe it'll be revealed as true in Ninjago season 16, a secret even Garmadon and Wu didn't know about their father and their uncle.
What?? It doesn't even say how fsm was born? and it says thaat the overlord was born in ninjagos darkest places? he literally feeds off of negativity and is made of darkness? how would he be related to the fsm when he was made to counteract him
I remember they said the overlord was “born out of the shadows” somewhere. Now, I get that they were both born to balance good and evil, and honestly it makes sense. The first spinjitzu master was “born” and the overlord as well.
In episode 20 season 2 Lloyd's mom said after the creation of the Ninjago there's even the darkest of shadows he is called THE OVERLOAD if you seen the scene where you see a shadow-like-wicked smile before it become a frown
Well, Wu, Misako, and Garmadon have all hidden or straight up lied to the ninja before. And sometimes, the ninja just take things at face value. For example, they never questioned where their powers came from until season 4, Tournament of Elements. In fact, Garmadon didn't even want to explain it to them. So, if this theory is true, then it could just be Wu and the others hiding the truth until it becomes relevant.
Misako left Lloyd UNTRUSTWORTHY. Garmadon is evil! UNTRUSTWORTHY. Wu said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING(!) about overlord, wojira, aspheera, Chen, morro, I could go on. UNTRUSTWORTHY! MISTAKE IS A FLIPPING ONI!!! WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT!
@@ZT-Unseen actually no wu straight up told the ninja who and what the overlord is in full backstory the overlord is the expelled dark energy the was created when the wu’s father told him the story’s around a campfire after Ninjago was created the world needed to balance the scales since only light and the powers of creation existed at that point so the leftover darkness was birthed into the overlord at the exact moment Ninjago was created we know this because Ninjago did not exist until wu’s and garmadons father got there this was confirmed in sons of garmadon by mistahke the good oni lady as she retells Ninjago/Lloyd’s history so if anything overlord was birthed by wu’s farther possibly making wu and the overlord and garmadon brothers but definitely not wu’s fathers brother, we have gotten confirmation on this multiple time up until this point
My theory is that overlord is something like a counter part to the FSM, like the Anti-Pops and Pops from regular show. The overlord is basically born to balance the good in the FSM but proceed to remain after FSM death.
There is a theory that the overlord is the oni side of the fsm that he cast out It’s backed up by the fact that he said to garmadon that his power (implying his oni powers) were a gift from him, he knew also new about the oni which if he was only created as the darkness to the fsm’s light he likely wouldn’t know The power which the overlord holds is referred to as the power of darkness which is either stated or implied to be the purest form of destruction, which would make him the opposite to the fsm’s power of creation which in it’s purest form could be light, just as Lloyd’s element of energy appears to be a less pure or potent form of creation.
I think that the first spin jutsu master might have accidentally performed mitosis and expelled all of his negative or dark emotions and desires thus creating the overlord.
There's the theory of it just being the evil of FSM which he cast aside, I feel like maybe someday Lloyd may finally defeat him for good, perhaps by merging the Overlord with himself in order to restore TRUE balance and unlike the FSM he manages to keep his evil side under wraps, this could be why they had Garmadon training him to control his 'Oni side' as it would teach him later how to tame his dark side so he could merge the Overlord with himself to forever keep their souls intertwined.
This theory actually makes a lot of sense the 2 beings being brothers, both Oni-Dragon Hybrids with one being similar to an Oni in body but having the morality and using mostly the same powers as a dragon while the other has a body similar to a Dragon but acts similar and primarily uses the powers of an Oni, with the 2 brothers also being mortal incarnations of light and darkness, good and evil, prospority and surfering, Yin and Yang in-order to represent the balance and insure that the balance of good and evil will continuin to go on as long as they live
He ain't strong enough and I think the overlord is more like a force of nature, I do not believe he is fsm’s brother because he is immortal as fsm is not he lived for hundreds of thoyghsands of years I believe but not immortal like the overlord. Also the overlord is so immortal that if he “Dies” he just comes back eventually. The overlord exists purely to keep the balance of light and shadow. When fsm left the the first realm because he knew the fight between oni and dragon would never end he went to the endless sea aka ninjgo and defeated the shadow aka water / air dragon and mostly used creation. There was too much light and therefore shadow formed in a being of darkness that can destroy and create in the actions contributing to darkness which contrasts fsm’s ability to use creation and destruction and action to use them in balance for light and the way they use them perfectly parrele while being opposites!! Lloyd still has to fight the overlord and other powerful beings. Honestly the ninja need more help to keep the world in balance 😅
It shouldn’t he doesn’t need to have a bother , if you watch the new 16th season you’ll know that lloyd is an oni from his father but .. Why is lloyd blond.. i think bcz lloyd is not garmadon .. maybe lloyd is the child of not garmadon and misaco maybe he is the child of Wu and miskaco? But lloyd is part oni part dragon ( and i kinda think that lloyd is the 1st spingitsu master!)😅
Random Ninjago thought, remember In the tournament of elements when Kai betrayed Chen and said that he forgot one element ,the element of surprise. Well he did actually forgot one and that's the element of water because nya did not know she was a master yet
my theory was the overlord is the oni side of the first spinjitzu master the first spinjitzu master seems to favor his dragon side more kind of like Wu but we never see either of their oni sides
Yeah,the first spinjitsu(zu?IDK) master have the power of creation and destruction,he uses creation the most and destruction a little,the overlord as the power of creation and destruction,he uses destruction the most and creation a little
imo the fsm(first spinjutzu master) left his dark side(oni blood) apart from him after wu and garmadon was born using some type of technique and got his blood to be mostly dragon blood while somehow maintaining human shape and that side came back to take revenge for being left behind
I think the over load is born from oni but can use less of creation But the 1 st master of spinjitzu is born from dragon but can use less of destruction
It’s stated that the overlord is the embodiment of darkness The FSM was neutral in creation and destruction but chose light instead of darkness The overlord was made in ninjago And FSM was born in the first release Hence the overlord isn’t the FSM’s brother
what if overlord is a oni, the last one to follow the first spinjitzu master to the ninjago and the great fight between the first spinjitzu master and the overlord started because the overlord wanted the first spinjitzu masters powers, to him to become a golden master and to rule all 16 realms in the ninjago
I think this is fax because the first spinjitsu master have a humanoid form just like the oni and the overlord true form is a dragon just like the dragons now the oni and the drangon are enemies just like the ying yang.
When I said ying yang I meant that there is balance because if both the overlord and the master were dragons there will not be balance the dragons will be more shown
I’ve had my own theory, why does the overlord hate the fsm so much, my theory is that before ninjago there was a ruler above wojira the overlord hence the name and when the fsm intervened and replaced darkness and destruction with light and creation he swore to destroy idk about the related part much but it’s a good theory just thought I might put mine here
I think the over lord was made when the first spinitsu master made Ninjago since there was so much creation a balance was needed so ether the first spinitsu master created the over lord by accident or something else did to make a balance
@@ZT-Unseen I want Lego to do something similar to what Joshua Deck (joshuad17) did in his fanfiction. What if the FSM and Overlord were just two of an entire pantheon of god-like beings who were all children of Oni and Dragon. The only thing I’d change would be to have the First Spinjitzu Master and Overlord be twins. However, that might not be good as it could potentially side-line Wu and Garmadon’s bro vs bro arc. Thank you for this extremely relevant video! I honestly don’t know why more people aren’t talking about this.
@@chrissavage1449 Yes, with the Overlord possibly coming back in Ninjago’s upcoming season, I feel like some lore more should be added to his character. With your thoughts about them not being the only descendants of Oni and Dragon, I’m beginning to think so too! There is so much lore to be explored here, like how were the 16 realms created and why are there only 16? We know that the Oni and Dragon live in the First Realm, so did they create the others, or did their descendants? It is kind of hard to create a story that is not a direct parallel to the story of Garmadon and Wu, but that might just add to the garmadon family always being the ones who must keep the balance. They didn’t choose this life, but destiny choose them. Idk, it’s just an idea after all, but an interesting one for sure.
Theory Imagine The FSM was a god to the Islanders and the FSM shadow was alive and got fed up he didn’t get treated like the FSM so when the FSM visited the Islanders the FSM shadow took over the body of a Islanders dragon and quickly escaped to the other side of Ninjago and called himself the Overlord
If Fsm and overlord are mbrothers and Wu and Garmadon are brothers that means their family tree have 2 kids both have own power that means Lloyd have secret brother in another realm or something
It said on the Ninjago fandom Wikipedia that the OVERLOAD was created from the darkest of shadows after the creation of Ninjago witch started the FIRST war of the new realm in it's golden age the grandfather of Lloyd garmadon didn't know that the overlord existed till the conflict began they fought but their powers would balance each other out so the overlord created the stone army to even the score as a result the grandfather had to spilt Ninjago in end as a result the war didn't finish till thousands of years later.
The overlord was created bc where there is light there is always shadow plus the overlord cannot be an oni bc the oni cannot be a dragon and the overlord became the dragon is S2
Siento que lo que pasó es que los oni hicieron un experimento con su magia y las mascaras para intentar que el máster pase a su lado pero les salió mal y terminaron separando dos entidades con poderes oni dragon uno malvado oni dragon que es el gran tirano y uno bueno oni dragon que es el máster y es por eso por lo que el tirano puede regresar con las mascaras.
Good. Okay. What do we know about Overlord? Most importantly, he is the ONLY immortal character in the series. This already destroys the theory that FSM and Overlord are brothers. Also, the Overlord cannot leave the Ninjago realm, unlike the FSM. In fact, the Overlord acts as something like a "god of darkness". There is also no confirmation that Over did not exist before the creation of the Ninjago realm, so it could also be before One and Dragons
Good explanation, one question though: When in Ninjago does it say that the Overlord is actually immortal? Also, how could he exist before the Oni and the Dragons? They are from the "First" realm, which implies that all other realms came after it.
The overlord is a oni And i don’t wanna hear you say that he was made when the first spinjitzu master made ninajgo The overlord came to ninjago but he couldent Get to ninjago like a dragon but the overlord the oni leader used all his power to Get to ninjago so when he was in ninjago he was weak and got destroyed by the first spinjittzu master.
the FSM created the overlord for balance the overlord was good but became evil so bad balance and the overlord hasnt the power of destruction cause he isnt an oni or dragon he has the power of darkness he is not an oni how 1 oni is afrait of light the overlord not he faught against 2 golden ninjas and survived he uses light in his power sometimes so it is impossible for them to be brothers viewers reaction: but then he must be a darkdragon an oni dragon hybrid , NO HE ISNT he has a dragon form as true form but that doesnt mean he is a dragon oni hybrid he is a dark being created by the FSM
I think the overlord is the other half of the Spinjitzu master because he only uses the Croatian side, so what if he is like destruction went out and became the overlord
Do you mean are the other elemental masters the offspring of the first Spinjitzu master? If so, the I doubt it. The original elemental masters were the guardians of the First Spinjitzu Master, so I don’t think they would be his kids or anything.
@@z--rose also he never showed the ability to take a form, he only has forms when he kept trying to give himself a body, One was Blood and flesh, One was a robotic or code, One was made from Golden Power, One is made....with crystal ( I think Ninjago crystalized keeps showing purple crystals) Also he's a spirit and his Original Form was a Dragon, The definition of spirit is the soul of a living being or a ghost, He never displays any of his powers from his backstory as a disembodied voice meaning in his backstory and the fact his Original form is a Dragon, means he was originally a Dragon made of Darkness and could use his own form of creation and maybe oni powers( he seen using a oni temple in the new season), which means he was killed in his dragon body but he still had his army and his soul remained after death thus Ninjago was spilt into two
So would this technically make the first spinjitzu master the overlord's father and would this technically make the overlord Wu's and garmadon's brother and Lloyd's 2nd uncle. 😱
The overlord is the embodiment of pure evil and without him the balance will be broken so i doubt the first spinjitzu master and the overlord are brothers
Great theory but it can’t be the FSM is part oni and part dragon if they were to be related then it would make him and oni the golden master needed to wear the golden armor and oni are weaken by it so it doesn’t makes sense good theory tho…
i don't think they're brothers, the overlord was made from the darkness of ninjago not made from oni and dragon's, he's not part oni part dragon. the FSM represents balance while the overlord represents darkness and evil. also mistake would've mentioned they were brothers and that the overlord was part oni part dragon in the tale of oni and dragons. the overlord may have a dark fog like the oni, but the effects are very different, the overlord's fog brings out the darkness and evil in people, the oni's fogs petrifies people and things, also the first realm dragons have wings on their back, the overlord's wings are apart of his arms also the overlord dragon looks vastly different from both oni and dragons. the overlord may have created the stone warriors but that doesn't mean he has the power of creation, being able to create things and the power of creation are very different. also if the overlord was part oni part dragon, he would've been defeated in a similar way to garmadon or the oni or even have similar weaknesses to dragons like vengestone, but he was defeated by lloyd or zanes heart exploding. he prbably knows about garmadon and was expecting him because he probably corrupted the great devourer who then bit garmadon, giving him the overlords corruption. also if the over lord was the FSM's brother and/or part oni part dragon, he wouldn't pick a side, he would probably use both powers to their full extent, and the overlords power is very different to the FSM's, he even needs the golden armor/weapons to have the golden power, if he was the first spinjitsu masters brother and part oni part dragon he would have automatically had this power, yes i know he was in a weakened state but he still would have had them. also the analogy that the overlord is destruction using creation and the FSM is creation using destruction is flawed because the overlord is darkness and created things, he doesn't have the power of creation, and the FSM, again, represents balance and uses both powers, and when he splits ninjago he isn't necessarily using either power. finally the FSM and the overlord take on very different forms, and the overlord isn't shapeshifting, he's just entering different states, also in the legend of the FSM and the overlord when we see the overlord being made, and in the rest of the legend, he takes a form that is vastly different from both oni and dragons. so yeah, the overlord and the first spinjitsu master are not brothers.
the final form might be a dragon but that doesnt mean he is a oni or dragon ik ik the oni and the overlord has a same darkness look but its diferent the oni is destruction but the overlord cant use destruction or creation
I think the overlord is more like a force of nature, I do not believe he is fsm’s brother because he is immortal as fsm is not he lived for hundreds of thoyghsands of years I believe but not immortal like the overlord. Also the overlord is so immortal that if he “Dies” he just comes back eventually. The overlord exists purely to keep the balance of light and shadow. When fsm left the the first realm because he knew the fight between oni and dragon would never end he went to the endless sea aka ninjgo and defeated the shadow aka water / air dragon and mostly used creation. There was too much light and therefore shadow formed in a being of darkness that can destroy and create in the actions contributing to darkness which contrasts fsm’s ability to use creation and destruction and action to use them in balance for light and the way they use them perfectly parrele while being opposites!! Lloyd still has to fight the overlord and other powerful beings. Honestly the ninja need more help to keep the world in balance 😅
the overlord isnt the brother of the FSM the FSM created the overlord for balance cause like destruction and creation is evil and good for balance and the overlord isnt and oni or dragon SO HE CANT BE BROTHERS
No like literally just no like did you watch it bro like the first spinjutsu master created Ninjago and then the overlord appeared on one side the dark side Why? Because it literally said in the show the first spinjitsu master was both dragon and one and basically light and dark like yin and Yang And since he was both light and dark Ninjago appeared as one side light and one side dark so of course a dark evil appeared on one side since part oni and the other side with nothing but light and it even said without dark there cannot be light so basically what I’m saying is The first spinjitsu master had a darkness in him which appeared on the other side ninjago since he’s oni and dragon light and dark Prove me wrong
