This thought just popped into my head about running wet effects before the dual rig and after - I think that’s where we would hear the biggest difference between both I think you’d hear the most space from the dual rig ran before wet effects but I don’t know what it would do to the tone. 😅
@@allenhafner151 Yeah it'll be interesting to experiment with that again! I tried running wet effects after my amps one time a couple years ago and hated it 😂 But I'm sure the experience would be worth running again with the dual setup!
I moved from the Iridium to the ACS1 purely so I could run different amps on each side to get that wider effect. However, it's hard to go wrong with either pedal! Keep it up, you sound great!
I had an iridium for about 6 months and they sound great, but it never really jived for me due to how quiet it’s clean tones were in the mix, limited headroom when running effects into it and just the staleness of modeled/digital tones. If it fits your sound, workflow and other considerations, then go for it. 2 iridium’s are a cool idea, for sure, but I went back to my AC15 2x12 and never looked back. I think an iridium with a tube amp in a wet/dry set up could help with the distortion iridium’s run into when using higher gain and effects. Thanks for the vid!
I’ve been running 2 Iridiums for the past couple years and I love it. Everything you were saying about drive and wet effects hitting the front of one Iridium opposed to two is spot on. I’ve had both the Helix and the HX Stomp (at the end of my board), and while those sound great, the Iridium has always had a better feel to me. It was my first experience into the modeling world after playing my board through my tube amps, and one of the first things I noticed was, even though I had never played through one before, it felt familiar. Keep up the great work, Sam! Love your channel!
Nowadays I'm seeing iridiums on the used market occasionally for as low as $225. For that price heck yeah grab two and run stereo. If i were paying the retail price of $400 each tho I'd probably grab an HX Stomp instead
Hmm interesting. I actually prefer the single iridium. Seems more defined and punchy. Dual seems to lose focus and would drive me crazy w in-ears since theres no cross over like there would be w two real amps in a room.
Yeah the in-ear situation is definitely a big deal when it comes to the dual-modeler stereo setup. Fortunately my at-home and church setup, both allow me to pan both amps hard left and right so you get that full experience. If I only had one channel to work with at church, then I'd probably prefer just the one.
I noticed the delay repeats seemed to sit better with the 2 iridiums compared to the one. Also, in all the mix examples, the dual iridiums sat much better and held more weight in the mix. The single iridium seemed to be lost in the middle of the madness a little bit compared to the wide spread stereo guitar.
If you listen closely in the dual setup, it sounds like the left side has a little more top end and cuts through a little more which makes it sound somewhat "lop-sided" and could potentially be undesirable in a mix. Mark Johnston talks a lot about this in his Ruby/Dream setup as the ruby cuts through WAY more so he uses a parallel signal blender to blend both of them (both pedals are running stereo, so 1 side of both pedals is stacked together on the Left and 1 side of both pedals is stacked together on the Right) creating an even sound on both sides yet still having width in stereo. He uses a GFI Duophony but the jet pedals red sea box and the Gigrig wetter box can do the same thing
@@danielplaysvioli Yeah I noticed the same thing, you can even see how drastically different the tone knobs are between each Iridium. Definitely is a good option to consider! I'll be curious to test this on Sunday to see if there are any less-desirable spots in the sanctuary depending on how things are panned. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
I’m very eager to buy a second iridium and give this a try. Did your sound guy have to do anything to your signal at FOH differently than when you only used one iridium? I was discussing this with my sound guy and I’m confused if anything needs to be done differently or not? Do the members of the congregation sitting on the right side of the stage only hear the Vox side of the tone, and likewise the people on the opposite side of the room only hear the fender amp? I know what I would have to do on my end to set the board up correctly and enjoy it home in a recording/headphone use environment, but I’m confused with what we would need to do to make sure the stereo signal is still being preserved when playing live in church. Does your sound tech keep the channels panned hard left and right as you mentioned you have in this video?
Yeah all great questions! I sat down with our Audio Engineer and a bunch of the same questions before using it at church since I was concerned maybe the two sides of the room would be hearing totally different things. He doesn't hard pan, so there's enough crossover where it still sounds full but everyone is hearing a nice blend. I think it's the right call though to just talk to your sound guy and see what that setup would realistically look like at your church. We already had 2 channels to send to the FOH for stereo guitars, the only thing we had to figure out was sending 2 channels to our IEM Mix so that I could monitor the stereo signal. Hope that helps!
Thanks for the video. I currently play through an FM9. I miss using pedals. I recently bought a bunch of pedals going into an Iridium. I use a set of Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro headphones to create my tone. When I plugged them into the Iridium, it sounded awesome. I turned on the Cloudburst and it sounded amazing! Once I hit a drive, it sounded horrible! What are you using to monitor your board to create your tones? I didn't want to go through the expense of also buying a whole new set of monitors or a PA for home use. Thanks!
What if you convolute 2 IR signals and upload them to 1 iridium. Of course there are no separate controls on seperate pedals, but you could get the same effect with only 1 iridium. Maybe filters can be applied before convoluting to still get some tweaking. Anybody who has some thoughts on this?
Hey Dennis! If I'm understanding correctly, it sounds like you're asking if it would have the same effect to combine 2 IRs in 1 Iridium? If that's the case, yeah you actually can blend 2 IRs "in stereo" in one iridium, and I actually did that for a little while. It's not a true stereo signal though since you're still limited to one "amp circuit" per iridium. Instead, it acts maybe more similar to running 2 different speakers through one amp. So with the two iridiums, you can truly pair two different amp circuits in stereo. Hope that answers your question!
No comparison, dude! Dual all the way. I've been using Ruby less lately and went back to running pedals into axe (Tweed and matchless in stereo). I forgot how nice having 2 different amps is and how huge it sounds! If you need more space on the board, chuck your compressor underneath, if it's always on. I have my power supply, Cali and Diso all mounted under 👊🏻
Yess I've now tasted and seen 😂Nice nice yeah the width is just so nice. I'll be really curious to try this out at church this Sunday and see if things translate as well as they do when playing at home!
Sam thanks for the video, this is really interesting. Back when I had the fractal, I found that the tone was way different. It’s kinda strange how this works, because it does sound like double tracking!
Hey man great content. I have a question can you do a video or explain how to install irs into the acs1. I just recently got it and don’t know where to start. Thanks!
I was literally talking about something like this yesterday to someone at church 😂! Great video and great playing, I use a Pod GO so I've been thinking maybe in the future doing something like this for a bit bigger sound with a little more variety.
The dual rig sounded great! Lots of clarity and thickness to the tone without getting that muffled sound that tends to happen with my single iridium. Although I’m also very impressed with how the single iridium held up in comparison. Great video, walk-though, and content as always Sam!
For running two, yeah I’d definitely recommend in stereo, although you could always Sum them. But at that point I’d probably just run one iridium if you’re running mono
@@SamWittek ,thanks for reply yeah i run mono with two iridium into mono sum but somehow it doesnt work too much gain or too much note attacking. if running mono, one iridium is better as you mentioned thanks
The dual iridiums definitely sounded clearer especially as it got more overdriven. Wondering how will dual iridiums sound compared to single iridium if you only have one channel on the mixer and have to sum them, would you mind sharing your experience?
Thanks for doing this video it was really helpful. Dual is the way! I am considering doing this with two iridiums or two Tonex pedals. Do I need to get a dual DI box like yours, or can I get two single DI boxes?
Good! So glad to hear it was helpful. You could use a stereo DI box similar to mine or you could run two individual DI boxes. Either works! As long as you're getting both signals to FOH or your DAW
@@davidoliver3589 Yeah I found the most success trying to get them to sound as close as possible. When there was a pretty wide disparity between the two, it just sounded kind of lopsided.
Hey man! I have a playthrough of that song on the channel, but I've actually been considering switching up the way that I do playthroughs and including a short teaching/tutorial section at the beginning. Is that something you'd find useful?
Also a solid option! I had an ACS1 for a little while but never really bonded with it personally. But regardless, lots of cool ways to get a dual amp setup 🤘🏻
