I think stealth missiles are far more potent than Hypersonic missiles. The American JASSM and Rapid Dragon program are far more deadly than people know
@@ottersirotten4290 1. radar cross section is decreased in subsonic cruise missiles by coatings shaping and lack of plasma sheath which reflects radar 2. able to fly at very low altitudes below radar horizon leaving below 1 minute to react to a swarm of missiles 3. swarm guidance meaning a group of missiles can determine their own path around defenses beyond the range of radar detection and split up to attack from different angles to overwhelm defenses 4. subsonic cruise missiles use jet engines, not rocket engines that have magnitudes reduced heat signature. 5. Hypersonic missiles must be boosted to high speed and altitude which causes a hot and large exhaust plume visible by satellite 6. Subsonic cruise missile launches are far harder to detect as there is no ignition of a rocket engine to initiate the acceleration to operating speed, and they may be launched by a stealthy delivery aircraft or platform like a submerged submarine
@@ottersirotten4290 The cruise missile is shaped similar to the F-22 or B-2 Bomber to deflect and/or absorb radar waves to minimize it's radar cross-section. A smaller radar cross-section means that the distance it can be detected from is a lot smaller and the time to launcher an interceptor is shorter. Russian SAM systems like the Buk, Tor, Pantsir and S-300 all use radar to intercept cruise missiles. It's true that MANPADs like the SA-29 can also shoot down cruise missiles by detecting heat-signature, but the JASSM's stealth could allow it to fly higher and out of range of MANPADs
@@chaosXP3RT Well sure, perhaps I wasnt clear enough but I intended to imply in my Comment that I grant that those Things are litterally impossible to be seen by ANY Radar System immaginable(most likely not the Case, but Im too d*** to argue about Radar Capabillitys) I just said "big Heat Signature=tracable AF" and perhaps S-300 only cares about Radar Signatures, but S-300 is cold War Tech from the ... 70s? they have S-400s and 500s now and given that Stealth Planes are arround for a Bunch of Decades by now, I dont think there is any Air Defence Labcoat on the entire World left who thinks that Radar is the "End of be of" regarding tracking incoming S***
You right ,mostly don't understand the real concept that 2 3 missiles of these can sink easily type 55 china destroyer their most modern ship,with so old def.sys they have in it.
I think the biggest reason the US is so behind in this tech is because they don't need it. The US has Russia and China as it's adversaries but Russia and China have America as their adversary. It makes sense for them to build hypersonic missiles to try and compensate for the American air force and navy advantage. Having hard to counter weapons are great vs high value targets like the f35 and aircraft carriers. You don't want to use these to hit stationary target unless it is super time critical. Meanwhile the American solution to these same problems was a bigger and better air force that is capable of striking anywhere at any time.
Agreed - until very recently the US and its allies could be sure that they could achieve air superiority in pretty much any conflict, which makes hypersonic missiles largely superfluous - after all, if you constantly have aircraft near a conflict zone, you can quickly strike any spot you want. Now, with the PRC increasingly improving their air force and air defense capabilities, hypersonics start becoming more attractive.
@@ottersirotten4290 a hypersonic anti aircraft system would do the trick but are they good enough to hit an f-35 that is trying to dodge like its life depended on it? The hypersonic systems hitting well defended navy ships I can easily believe but hitting a US fighter jet, less so. I hope we will never find out, war being bad and all that, but I am gonna bet on US airforce still beating the hypersonic systems based on manuverability/agility.
Perun did a great job. My opinion is these missiles won’t matter in the grand scheme of things. One thing Perun left out is that superheated air means hypersonic’s fly blind while in hypersonic flight. They have to slow down to subsonic speeds to regain comms and track to the target. If they’re carrying nukes you can fly hypersonic all the way because precision doesn’t really matter. But if you’re targeting a radar station or something moving like an aircraft carrier, you have to go subsonic the last several miles of the flight to precisely strike it. We have plenty of highly effective defense and determined systems for subsonic missiles, so it’s not the game changer everyone thinks it is.
I think the best part of these videos is the Russian and Chinese fans still managing to desperately cope even though they are allegedly now 1000 years ahead of everyone.
@@jackomo2677 he is pointing out that Russian and Chinese fan boys often believe their dictatorial countries have these "wunderwaffen" system and often point out how the US cant compete with them when it comes to these weapons.. This is ofc factually wrong which is why he is calling it a "cope"
@awesome guy A so called superpower who cant take a poor country right next door after a year is not fooling anyone anymore. Russia needs to buy weapons from 3rd world North Korea and Iran now.
But US military spending is the one that's totally out of control and every other country that wants to utilize overpriced missiles are doing so with their superior ability to build million dollar components on 2 cents of labor /s
@Supreme RTS And reliability. Imagine Lockheed Martin's PR if every time the jets took flight, they would be a 1/10 chance that the jet skits off uncontrollablt at 20,000 miles per hour and then precedes to explode with the force of a missile
@Supreme RTS I gets even worse. Russia isn't above launching missiles from heavily populated cities gor cost management, which made it very easy for us to video them early on
A few corrections.. Ballistic missiles had the capability to maneuver its warheads for decades now. The system is called MaRV or Maneuverable reentry vehicle, although the level of maneuvering is less than in true hypersonic missiles. Next, USAF AGM-183 boost glide hypersonic weapon was cancelled in favor of the more capable hypersonic cruise missiles which will be much smaller than AGM-183 and therefore tactical aircraft like the F-15/16/18/35 will be able to carry them...
The US doesn’t have equivalent hypersonic weapons to those of Russia and China because the US determined them to be unnecessary and expensive compared to other weapons that fill the same role as they don't really offer tangible benefits. The US is set to field genuine hypersonic missiles that generally differ greatly from those fielded by other countries and they are not intended for the delivery of strategic weapons of mass destruction.
Sounds like a post hoc rationalisation. Russian and Chinese hypersonic weapons are also conventional. I don’t see how any of the US hypersonic programs are materially different in terms of capability beyond what China and Russia have developed.
@@rxsquared You can't call it post hoc when these things have been around the US since the 80s and you could have read the justifications for their cancellation back then. The new US ones are scramjet. That's the difference.
Perun has shown that hypersonic weapons have limited uses and many drawbacks (especially cost verses supersonic options). It also should be noted Russian and Chinse hypersonic missiles are meant mainly for nuclear attack than conventional. While US systems are meant for conventional and probably never for nuclear attack.
Can’t talk about the Russian hypersonics because it’s not my area, however the DF-17 (and future DF-27) are absolutely conventional weapons. The last report by the office of naval intelligence showed the Chinese have approx 240 launchers with an average of 4 missiles each (one carried, three in reserve), and considering the Chinese have a “no first use” policy on nuclear weapon use, and a total nuclear force of no more than 750 warheads, there’s literally no chance that the DF-17 is a primarily nuclear weapon. In fact I’m fairly certain that there isn’t a nuclear armed version at all, since the Chinese don’t want any misunderstandings/miscalculations, they wouldn’t want a nuclear armed version of a weapon that forms a huge part of their tactical arsenal.
Russias subsonic Kalibr cruise missiles are being easily intercepted it seems. They often claim 95% or so interception rate which is quite believable considering the gauntlet of NASAMS, IRIS-T, Rapier, Crotal, MANPADS and Gepards they have to get around. Iskander, Kinzahl and Kh-4 are all getting through moreover they can penetrate deep into ground.
Here's the funny part. The US fa l ls behind, then spends 20× more than everyone to catch up. But they dont just catch up, they end up at least a decade ahead. Just like the missile gap in the late 50s and early 60's.
I wonder why there's so much hype around hypersonics and not as much mention of stealth cruise missiles. Wouldn't stealth cruise missiles also be able to avoid defenses and strike their targets at a fraction of the cost of these weapons? Could achieve greater range and payload as well.
The problem with hypersonic missles is they can only fly faster than @ 3500 mph in the upper atmosphere. At lower levels the air resistance heats up the missile causing it to burn up. Hence as it comes back down to earth it has to slow rapidly to avoid being burned up (they can't add tiles because of the extra weight). The high speeds also cause the air to break down around the missile causing communication to be lost so it can't then be controlled. As the speed drops on re- entry it then becomes more vulnerable to being shot down. If they can't be controlled precisely then they are indescriminate missile which might be okay for one with a nuclear warhead but most of these things are suggested as carrying traditional warheads with modest destructive capacity.. Don't get me wrong I wouldn't want one landing on my home but if they cost millions to manufacture and cant be precisely controlled then they don't make for a cost effective weapon. I suspect the US canned a lot of the research because it knew all this a long time ago. The physics hasn't of course changed it is just that China and Russia are claiming they are developeing them so the US has to say something and at least pretend they are doing something new. As we all know the Russian leadership are full of BS. The Chinese may be making a genuine effort but they physics of flight applies to them as it does to everyone else. The can will quietly be kicked further down the road and something else (probebly with the same or similar hype) will come along in a few years. If people stopped trying to kill one another for no good reason it wouldn't matter.
@@drake101987 Similar strategy to what the Russians are doing with Iranian drones in Ukraine. Overload the defences with cheap (ish) devices to improve the chances of their own missiles getting through.
Because the US DoD wants to trick China and Russia into spending all this money on a relatively ineffective and useless weapons system while trickling just enough funding into our version to keep up appearances. DoD realizes stealth is much more important so that's what we've been working on
The US had Sprint (mach10) missles in the 60's. Moving at that speed, you're hitting oxygen my molecules as if they're solid objects. It forms a plasma field around some of the weapon and the first stage of the Sprint missile were disengage and disintegrate from the friction. It's hard to maneuver at that speed
@@brandonstrife9738 It's usually instability from the flow switching turbulent and laminar unpredictably, coupled with the extreme heat leading to material failures. it also completely prevents the missile from 'seeing' anything past the plasma, so it can neither guide itself, nor can any exterior guidance instructions reach it. It becomes just another ICBM a soon as it starts to go fast enough to matter, really: Following a predictable ballistic orbit, and only somewhat quicker. The tech to inter pet such systems already exists, and while they have never said so, I believe the Americans deployed it a while ago in the form of networked space based beam weapons. It's probably what the Air Force's cute little space shuttle has been doing, and I believe it's why literally nobody seems worried about Putin's nuclear tantrums, world leaders likely know that any ICBM launch would simply be knocked out of the sky at Apogee. The tech may or may not exist for shorter ranged systems, those would be somewhat more challenging, but then the Russian stuff is just old missiles with a shiny coat of lies and hype, and the Chinese system is just a depressed ballistic itself (though a very very well engineered one, it still has the same basic weakness regarding the impossibility of terminal guidance)
@@charlesparr1611 Well guy i don't know where you getting that shit but in this instant it compression leading to alot of heat which makes metal expand which has constant force from drag on it.
Yes and rightfully so. They are useless. Or to be more precise: they are so incredibly expensive for very little advantages. There is no tactical need for them with the US doctrine. The only really usefull job for such weapons is a situation, where you want to take out a nuclear super carrier or some other high priority target. Since the US does field multiple such carriers, but its enemies don't, they won't need such a thing. Enemies of the US might think different, because they would be on the other side and would need a weapon to take out those carriers.
I could see using a few in initial strikes to take out say radar or something. Then follow on with many many jasms that the enemy can't see until it's too late. It's sad how far behind Russia and China are in reality.
The reason was very simple. Hypersonics became the default method for nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapon defence is universally based on "we launch before they land" and hypersonics flying around routinely would make an accidental nuclear reply strike far too likely.
Is that why US conducted several tests of new B-52 air launched hypersonic missile, just for all of them to fail miserably and get cancelled? If you had the technology in 70s, why are you failing to implement it today?
@@trumanhw the Kinzhal has tiny fins on the back. It steers like a boat. The PAC-3 has 180 Attitude Control Motors at the front so it can turn instantly. This is what lets it outmaneuver the Russian missile.
@@tanostrelok2323 Joining in is even more fun, but again Russian bots it is just too easy...still fun, though. Apply one microgram of logic and data and their arguments go up in a puff of smoke, a la the scene in the "HItchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy". Don't even get me started on the improbability drive and Marvin the paranoid android..it all applies. :-) Google's doodle today is celebrating the guy that voiced Marvin (and Snape, etc), Alan Rickman BTW...strange and possibly marginally interesting tidbit. My wife informed me of this just now.
@@MrJdsenior I mean, if Russia is so powerful it can single handedly fight NATO, why is it still struggling to take one sub 100k city after months? On the other hand, mental gymnastics are amusing to behold.
Hypersonics are still way more expensive than what they're actually worth. As we see in Ukraine today you can overwhelm air defences with a bunch of cheap drones just as well. Hypersonics are nothing but a propaganda weapon
The hypersonics used in Ukraine are indeed propaganda weapons. It's a demonstration that the tech works. But a bunch of cheap drones are not likely to be armed with nuclear warheads. A hypersonic is very likely to be. In a nuclear exchange hypersonics would be clutch.
Dude, you described what an actual hypersonic missile is and isn't in the beginning after the ad, then literally proceeded to give the Kinzhal as an example of a "real" hypersonic missile, while it is - it's just an Iskander ballistic missile launched from a supersonic fighter jet, which proceeds on a ballistic trajectory to its target. Honestly makes me doubt how well-researched all other info in the video is.
Kinzhal being a modified Iskandar is the reason a Patriot was able to shoot it down. Since as modified tactical ballistic missile it can only do certain things, like when entering terminal velocity before impact. Since Kinzhal is tactical missile and not a hypersonic glide missile.
Wow good research, the first US hypersonic missile program was in the 70’s, do you really think they just shelved it and didn’t bother with it in the while it’s biggest threats were developing programs of their own?
Yes..US just shelved it.. They shelved a lot of projects..not just hypersonics.. Pentagon's ambitions is more to do with invading others and stealing oil..world hegemony..US military makes by quantity that which can make sales and use for invasions.. not something which is under development
@@calvinblue894 Tell me. Was the sr-72 shelved when it was taken off of lockheed martins website after Putler announced the russian hypersonic missile Kinzhal? No. It went black. Because while we develop aircraft that go mach 8 and can drop dumb bombs, China and Russia (you) can continue to waste 100 million per missile all you want.
@@dddddh1 ah yes my daily dose of tankie/wumao. And how many civilian are “ safely silenced “ in “ nothing happen here camp “ mr wumao. I’m sure Xi Jinping will give u enough credit so u can afford rent
@@VladimirStevanoviclennon33 Unfortunately no. Perun (formerly only known from Perun Gaming), Australian defense economics something, with one hour long powerpoint presentations on ... well, defense economics and what Ukraine and Russia are teaching us.
@@gerritvalkering1068 They teaching us that west is done for good...and this is not a war between Rusia and Ukraina, not even Rusia NATO, but it is a war USA China
The key here is that I actually really doubt the Russian hypersonics are maneuverable almost at all and are really just ballistic missiles launched from air to the ground... China's MAY have some maneuverability, but I doubt it is particularly agile. Hypersonics are highly exaggerated and it's unlikely anyone in the world has a particular "great" hypersonic weapon right now.
Russian missiles like Kinzhal for example are just like old 1970s and 1980s ballistic missiles that were modified to be similar to modern hypersonic weapons (because technically old ballistic missiles travel at hypersonic speed so they’re hypersonic missiles, but with no maneuverability) the Russians can’t produce modern tech and use old stuff and modify. But yeah I’m not too sure about how good Chinese and Russian tech is but I guess it’s hard to know.
My guy that is the biggest cope I've ever seen. China and Russia have FIELDED hypersonics.... not ideas somewhere in space of imagination... they are proven and functional recorded uses of such weapons. Your take on this is delusional and in denial of the reality that we need to compete harder in more advanced missile technology.
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Yep that's why a russian private military company the wagnar managed to defeat against 31 countries in bahkhmut. I suggest you stop watching cnn and bbc.
An important issue that you missed for US dropping its hypersonics program is that there is almost no use case for it. There are very few missions that hypersonic missiles can do that isn't already covered by ICBMs, stealth missiles, or just a good old saturation attack (you can fire 50 traditional missiles for the price of one hypersonic one). Russia uses theirs for nuclear weapon deliveries which is just moronic considering that ICBMs already can't be defended against. China uses their for an anti-carrier role but until the last couple of years, the US had no enemy with ships big enough to warrant one. Only now that China has began building super carriers does the US have a reason to work on these. That, plus the fact that the MIC now can generate the media hype for additional money.
If hypersonic missiles are of no use why was America desperately seeking them ? And then had to give up because of lack of technical skill. What Russia is doing is stockpiling them so that when the time comes they will have thousands America has little manufacturing capacity in regard to weapons . They do not have enough ammunition to sustain high intensity war for more than a few weeks Russia has more missiles than all the countries on Earth put together including America so they can use saturation tactics far better than America . And have their hypersonic missiles as the cherry on the cake . Russia also has far more advanced air defence and can shoot down most of the subsonic missiles . ICBMs cannot be easily defended against if they are Russian hypersonic Sarmat . American minute man missiles are obsolete and can be dealt with by Russian s500 . America has no such option America needs to start spending its money on the country and the American people instead of getting involved in wars they are outclassed in
@@trevorcrook5753 I can barely find a few sentences in your comment that is correct. I would explain in detail why they are all wrong but that would require me to write a book. Everything you have written demonstrations a lack of understand of military doctrine, logistics, and procurement and an inability to wade through hype and propaganda on both the US and Russian side. Half of them are also utterly disproven by the situation in Ukraine. Straight copium.
@@trevorcrook5753 : the US has had hypersonic flight since the X-15 program in the late 1950s and early 1960s. It hasn't weaponized it because ICBMs were perfectly capable. The S-500 if it can do everything claimed would still leave an all-out nuclear exchange being disastrous for both sides. Defense has to be perfect, whereas offense just needs to get some small percentage of warheads to hit.
@@benoithudson7235 The American ICBMs like all ICBMs are only hypersonic when they leave the atmosphere . Russian hypersonic missiles travel at that speed “ within “ the atmosphere . That’s why they can’t be stopped . Ironically the only air defence that can stop them Is Russias s500 American engineering is well behind Russia . If any country can survive a nuclear war it is Russia . A vast country with superior air defence and nuclear shelters for its people It would not be unscathed in such a war but America would not survive at all . But best avoid that situation if possible . That’s why America needs to get out of the area and stop provocations. Ukraine is of no use to them anyway
Hypersonic missiles exist on both sides. They are extremely expensive, around $1M per, or at least 30% more than conventional. They cannot be used frivolously, just when they are the only solution. Traditional cruise missiles are much cheaper and will usually get the job done. We need a spectrum of weapons.
Does the host of this show know exactly how poorly russian and by default, chinese knock-off weapons systems performed in Ukraine? The hypersonic missiles that both china and russia perez are nothing but horizontal missiles... They are not capable of massive course corrections. The united states for some silly reason, actually built working hypersonic missiles.
Of these, I think one or two of the Navy missiles will actually go into operation, in small numbers after a very small procurement. Probably none will ever be fired in anger. And the Navy will say that they just want more cheap, low-speed missiles to fill up their VLS's because those are actually useful in the real world. It doesn't make sense to have planes or trucks going around with such expensive, special-use munitions on a regular basis in a sustained conflict, but the Navy has room aboard their ships and submarines to carry a few just in case one is ever needed. The most credible platform for sea launched hypersonics might actually be the Zumwalt class, which serves no purpose right now unless they remove the useless guns and put in a hypersonic VLS in that space. If we ever have another regional conflict with a long build-up time, like the Gulf War, I could see a few being deployed by the Army or Air Force in the first hour of battle, perhaps in some kind of decapitation strike, but I also don't understand why these would ever be used over stealth aircraft. So it just doesn't make sense for dedicated units of hypersonic missile batteries and even a small procurement of air-launched hypersonics would seem to be a massive opportunity cost over general-purpose units that could actually get used someday.
@@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle I just don't see them acquiring or deploying more than a handful of these missiles, enough to make them standard equipment on the bulk of the fleet. The ones on the Zumwalt class would be more of an experimental platform, something they can say they've done, and every so often they'll sail the things to certain areas in support of some mission, but probably never actually fire them. Perhaps a few missiles will end up on a few submarines, but the Navy really doesn't want these things, they don't care about them, they don't think they need them. It's entirely political. Putting them on the Zumwalt class at least makes use of the hulls in a reasonable way, eliminates the utter embarrassment of having guns on them that can't ever fire, and it will probably satisfy the few idiots in Congress who are pushing this nonsense. The same idiots who didn't want to cancel the rest of the Zumwalt procurement, probably. I think it will appease all the people who need appeasement and let the Navy get back to doing what it does best. What the Navy wants to do is put as many Tomahawks as their boats as possible. Larger hypersonic missiles limit that capability.
They have been used to hit high priority heavily guarded sites. You wont know that if you watch US "media". They will never tell you. They say Russia sucks...while Russia is stomping a mudhole into Ukraine .....even though the US giving them more than the Russia military budget and all kinds of "wonder weapons".
@@ChadSimplicio The fact that Russia used hypersonic missiles to hit Ukrainian targets has been reported in the media, including western media, so there's nothing to argue about here, search for the articles if you don't believe me. I'm not sure that Russia wants to kill Zelensky, he would become a martyr, and what would they gain by killing him? It's not like Ukrainians cant put another person in charge. I think Russia would rather arrest him and keep him locked up somewhere and eventually forgotten because the world will move on.
The proliferation treaty prohibited such missiles being developed. China was under no obligation, Russia broke the treaty . While the US stood by it, hence they’re (China & Russia) are ahead in Development.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket Yeah, if you look at it, their Iskander has free world electronics used extensively, as do ALL of their other weapons, right down to that R/C scale Orlon drone. All the Russians know how to do is steal the smart kid's homework and attempt to pass it off as their own. There is straight up evidence all over the net. The earliest tear down of a downed Orlon I saw was on the "Operator Starsky" channel, a LONG time ago. The stupid Russians can't even make chips, not even for cars and washing machines, apparently, and those are REALLY simple chips, pretty seriously old tech. On the Orlon the power and cameras are Japanese, and the electronics are from Britain, IIRC, with the word GND written on the board, and western chips all over it. The visual camera is a OTS commercial Canon, with a big nasty glob of glue smeared on the shutter release. Their workmanship is ATROCIOUS, and all they were doing was making a few interconnect cables.
I've read china and russia are vastly overstating there capability. Yes they have missiles that reach hypersonic speed. The probelm is they can't steer them. We've had that ability for 20 years. Making the missile maneuver after hypersonic speed is the hold up and many say they don't have the ability. I wouldn't doubt if we are actually ahead of them
Why would they? Hypersonic missiles dont deal more damage, they are simply more manuverable, they are designed to take down us fighter jets, ukraine has none
Russia is a propaganda machine. We all saw their hypersonic missiles ( all intercepted by patriot batteries 😂) . Russia exaggerates her real capabilities but in practice nothing 😂
100's of millions of dollars in development budget means very little nowadays. The atomic bomb cost 2 billion during WW2 and the b29 cost more. The USA can however, launch a mach 6 ICBM out of a cargo plane anywhere in the world.
we've had the same thing that Russia calls hypersonic weapons since the 70s LOL. russias "hypersonic missiles" have never demonstrated any ability to maneuver as initially proposed.
@@KristishkaWithLove If you look at all the Russian's conditions for the START treaties. You start to see all the conventional weapons the Russians were terrified the US could create. So many useful systems were banned under START since the Russians knew the US could prefect them and most importantly make them cost effective to be deployed on mass.
It seems weird that the Sprint missile could reach Mach 10 in the 1960s/70s, yet these programs aren't going anywhere. Granted, the Sprint was an interceptor missile and was in service for one year.
Because the US realized light moves faster than hypersonic and hoped Russia and China waste their money on a hypersonic program while we make High Energy laser weapons
@@jakeroper1096 The only high-energy laser system I am aware of is the Boeing YAL-1, which is no longer in service, was only a test bed and was for ICBMs. I am not aware of an operational replacement for the 747. Please let me know if there is a replacement system.
The US never really saw a reason to develop into hypersonic when their missiles didn’t really have a counter. Russian hypersonics have been shown to be crap and not very effective. Chinas hypersonics are likely better but not by a huge margin.
Haha the US is just incapable to develop one and not because they saw no reason. A kinzhal russian missile just destroyed the most advanced american air defence system in ukeaine that's embarrassing. American weapons are overpriced junks not good for war against real army they are only good against civilians in iraq.
@@Erdovanne That Patriot battery is still operational. So even if one of the numerous Kinzzhals hit something, it had no significant impact. And Patriot shot down all the others.
Not only the US didn't find a need for hypersonic missiles after the Cold War, they also argue that LRASM or JASSM are better in many ways. This argument also reduced the urgency to develop hypersonics. Despite seeing China and Russia making hypersonic missiles, the Pentagon's 2020 budget included a lot more JASSMs. Those missiles fly slow at low altitudes, but it makes them stealthy, highly maneuverable, and have greater accuracy. Thanks to the the curvature of the Earth, radars can't detect them far away. When enemy radar finally does pick them up, it leaves little time to react. Russia's equivalent to the Patriot System, and most anti-missile systems in the world in general, still struggle to pick up low flying objects. Two different approaches to surprise the enemy, speed or stealth. However, hypersonic missiles costs a lot more. It only seems like hypersonic missiles are mainly used for intimidation, supposedly they have their niche situations too.
People are acting like the greatest engineering civilization that ever existed didn't think of hypersonic missiles. Tons of copium being posted as I type.
The reason hypersonic missiles are such a big deal is because subsonic cruise missiles (despite their advantages), can be defeated by several systems, whereas modern, maneuverable hypersonic missiles, supposedly are non-interceptable. That makes a HUGE difference when you have to defend a high-value target, like an aircraft-carrier.
Whether the hypersonic weapon is overrated or not, having the hypersonic missile is a big plus. "The objective is to increase one's options and reduce those of adversary." Henry Kissinger
this only applies if the weapon works and there is any need for it. The mission is already well covered by other extant systems, which is why all the serious research by the USA is beam weapons, networking, and signals.
Can we please stop venerating this amoral monstrous piece of human garbage? He's only still alive because the devil himself thinks he's too evil to spend time with. There are plenty of people who are not despicable war criminals who can be quoted in these areas. people who understood that Realpolitik is not divorced from morality nor from the basic human rights of your current opponents. Kissinger is one of the most awful people ever to live, arguably worse than Stalin or Hitler, since each of those actually believed in what they did, and simply found their monstrous acts morally justified. Kissinger literally exposed the ideal that such considerations should not exist, and to give him space as anything but a frightening example of what it's like to be a demon wrapped in human skin chips away at our ability to justify what we do in times of war, which frankly we can do just by saying 'as long as we don't sink so low as that ratfucker Kissinger'. Seriously, it's beyond me why nobody has simply treated him to his own medicine: Black bag over the head and a free helicopter ride, just out of fully justifiable revenge for all those horrific crimes that somehow don't keep him from sleeping at night.
These missiles won’t matter in the grand scheme of things. Hypersonic weapons fly blind while in hypersonic flight. They have to slow down to subsonic speeds to regain comms and track to target. If they’re carrying nukes they can fly hypersonic all the way because precision doesn’t really matter. But if you’re targeting a radar station or something moving like an aircraft carrier, they have to go subsonic the last several miles to precisely strike it. We have plenty of highly effective defense and detection systems for subsonic missiles, so it’s not the game changer everyone thinks it is.
By that logic any plane flying higher than mach 1 would experience coms blackout. Coms link is only an issue for re-entering space vehicles because they create a layer of superheated plasma due to atmospheric friction. This phenomenon is speed and angle of attack dependant. It's only about mach 15 with the craft intentionally using aero braking to scrub off speed.
@@Kitt_the_Katt that’s correct, hypersonic is anything traveling faster than Mach 5 like a space capsule re-entering, and just like when a space capsule loses comms on re-entry so do hypersonic missiles
@@theorfander Do you mean they have to slow to sub-hypersonic speeds, not subsonic speeds? Also I'm fairly certain the loss of comms is because of the plasma sheath that forms around the projectile traveling at hypersonic speeds, as the sheath will highly attenuate radio waves. Though there are some claims coming from Chinese researchers that they have been able to maintain comms with hypersonic vehicles in flight.
@@Big_Red1 yes, slow down to is what I meant and yes it’s the plasma that messes with comms. I don’t believe anything the CCP says unless I see it. I know you can get around the problem by positioning, communications behind whatever is going hypersonic, which is easy to do for something like the space shuttle. Not sure how you would do it with missile
That orbital test china done it was carried by Badoo satellites,internet company if i am not wrong ,and it was happened that one satellite of them passed up US to give directions of the missile to do the circle around the world,idea is if you hit down x satellite who gives to that missile x direction that missile ,be obsolete or if you jamm ,or hack or interfere with other satellites to give wring coordinates.because these systems are vulnerable when comes to real war ,and space domain is one of them who success of that missile will be or not ! If missile don't hit target ,can go hyper all day lol .
right, the U.S would not create something that could shoot down things that they could not fire themselves. I think things like the Jerry can woke up America in ww2 and since then our Armed forces have been like Jurassic Park. spare no expense
It is not about catch up on reaching 5or6 Mach, it is about reaching more than 10 Mach and have high maneuverable at the same time. To some degree, that is what they need to catch up.
@@benjaminli4235 says the guys who can’t even reach Mach 5 or 6 unless it’s with a ballistic missile going straight down on full power. Even a scud can do that, probably a good sized bottle rocket
U.S have had hypersonic missiles for almost 70 years.. What people talk about is hypersonic cruise missiles. It's also not the speed that's the issue, it's whether if China and/or Russia have figured a way that can make em maneuver in a unpredictable path wile at such speed or not. The issue is that when they reach such high speed the communication in and out from the missile becomes blocked due to the plasma that forms from the energy frictions at these altitudes at such speeds, meaning that if it does hit hypersonic speeds the tracking, as well as movement patters will be disrupted while it gives away an extreme heat signature that's extremely easy to track and force the missile into a movement pattern that's very predictable, unless they have figured it out somehow. But autocratic regimes have a tendency of boasting about weapons they don't really have in order to try and deter intervention, as well as boost moral.
Yeah, it's a prestige weapon to propagandize with, mostly for domestic appeasement. The US is now doing the same to appease the idiots in Congress who bought into the propaganda. These weapons will collect dust in a depot somewhere, never to be fired, but at least some general or admiral being grilled in a committee meeting will be able to say that we have them and that they're better than everyone else's, and hopefully that will be the end of the line of questioning and they can go back to asking for money for things the military actually needs.
Dam, this comment section is full of people spouting complete BS without any understanding on both sides. This comment section just proves either most of the internet is bots or full of idiots spouting propaganda.
The U.S. has always been ahead. Hypersonic tech is just immature. Current U.S. non-hypersonic weapons are more reliable and economical at this point in time.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket They are becoming less used in Russia though, the aircraft that Russia stole, because the stupid Russians can't even make parts for them, and the parts from the washing machines they stole don't seem to fit. :-) One that is becoming a real problem is a stupid FILTER. OMG.
Wow, this guy did a really good job researching all of this stuff. There are things in this video that I've not seen in any other RU-vid video concerning this topic.
Well , this video didn't age well ...they just did a test of u.s. hypersonic capabilities and it was flawless. The best thing about our military advancement is that nobody knows about our military advancements until suddenly BAM! 😅
The special thing about the US military is that it doesn't constantly present individual weapons that are good in theory in propaganda, but rather maintains silence until they are finished and even then, they don't really get much attention in propaganda.
@@thomandstacieverroad8417 US military is well known for waste and corruption such as $10000 toilet cover, $37 screws, a $7622 coffee maker , $6M goats and so on to its millitary suppliers, 80% - 90% of ur defense budget had been spent on maintaining what u have in ur army, considering the cost efficiency of ur regime and administration, i wonder how much ur tax is actually used in the right way.
Thank you 🙏 AGAIN for your excellent work Comrade Binkov ...I still don't see a strong reason FOR the hypersonic weapon as much as a COUNTER WEAPON to said weapon 🤔
these are very old news, for example the AGM-183 ARRW is a program that will be closed with the next test in order to increase the budget for the US ARMY and US NAVY hypersonic missiles. for example, the US ARMY's LRHW ground-launched hypersonic missile exists and operates. The United States continues to develop more promising hypersonic weapons, such as the USAF's HAWC (Hypersonic Air-breathing Weapon Concept), the aforementioned LRHW and the Navy US which shares the Common Hypersonic Glide Body (C-HGB) platform with the army which will form the Conventional Prompt Strike.
Actually all Ballistic missiles are hypersonic from earlies one being german V 2 to the over mach 20 speed US ICBMs and hypersonic weapons are kinda bluff . and to not produce sophesticated fighters and to pursue one time use missile with such cost is unsustainable
The trick is attach it to a muiltuse platform or use it as instant hunter killer attery like the US plans and it's fine and let's you do more with less... Like the US has a range and numbers problems right now that Hypersonics fix really well.
The US has focused on stealth missiles instead of hypersonic because they have a better chance of hitting their target due to late detection. This enables them to largely get around defensive missile systems. The reverse side of the argument is that radar systems are getting better and stealth detection limited to a 20 mi distance has a limited shelf life. So we must go back to speed in the newt 10-20 years. However, the speed needed will need to outmatch defensive missiles by a large margins. Maybe 2:1 to be able to make it to the target. It’s a cycle, look at history of the U2, blackbird, and stealth fighter.
The solution to better detection isn't speed, it's quantity. Anti-air missiles are always very expensive, so simply flooding the airspace with cheap strike missiles, drones, and decoys will defeat any air defenses, especially if they target any radars and air defenses that make themselves known by coming online. Any idiot with a $100 commercial drone and a stick of dynamite can destroy a $100 million air defense system. While Russia and China were spending limited resources on prestige weapons like hypersonic missiles (which don't seem to be living up to the hype in real world conflicts), the US was quietly developing stealthy modular drone swarms in the deserts of Nevada, putting satellites into orbit, and building advanced electronic warfare suites and jam-resistant datalinks. And I haven't even mentioned the necessary command and control structures needed to issue orders quick enough to respond to pop-up threats and take out moving targets, which the US has gotten extremely good at over the last few decades, and Russia and China have very limited experience with.
@@MrWasGehtSieDasAn01 their people were not wealthy. But the country was the most powerful nation on earth for a time. This is only achievable by wealth not worthless dollars. For instance Indians and Chinese are not rich, but their countries are rich in resources and very peoductive when it comes to wealth. Almost everything your Insolent self owns was made in countries with poor but more responsible and responsible people. Understand that there is absolutely nothing exceptional about your country nor any other country and that all empires share the same fate including your own.
@@Ozzy4201 still they can maneuver and they really not that predictable catching ballistic rockets is difficult task because of the faster approach compared to cruise missile ! cuisse missile is basically an " aircraft " so its speed is whey more limited ,ballistic missile uses ballistic trajectory its goes whey up and rushes down on you .If you check any air defense system they range is more limited on height than on forward backward ... For example en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_missile_system s300 can target aerodynamic targets at range up to 200(400) km but at the same time interceptions of ballistic target its just 40 km (its 10 seconds to reach for ballistic missile s 300 !!! )
Ballestic missiles can be covered , India is developing anti radiation ballestic missiles which will maneuvers ( not like cruise) . They are direct counter to Chinas defence system
@@genem895 your on an American app using an american phone on the internet with gps both made by America. Yes we are very stupid clearly. Its nice you can say that here huh without getting 25 years in prison. Lol. Russia really needs to hire smarter trolls.
Sour grapes. America scramjet technology has fallen the rest of the world and there's a "missile gap". You guys can catch up and overtake like you did with the space race but not with that attitude.
As others have noted, we didn't go all in on hypersonic missiles because those speeds make the missile blind, dumb, and deaf. It's nearly impossible to communicate with a system like that. Stealth/low visibility is far more important, though I'm sure we're still looking into hypersonics
@@moosiemoose1337 More like a fixed aircraft carrier. Like an island, which can't move 50 yards to the right in the 2-4 minutes it takes the missile to get there after it's detected
@@kilpatrickkirksimmons5016 Launch 3 missle, each 50 yards to the left and right of each other, now you have a sunken multi-billion dollar military asset. All it takes is 1 hit.
