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You forgot about Chronacled Wish Banner. Smh. In all seriousness, I am glad their weapons came out. I for one managed to snag Beacon for Eula using it. I like the system. I think it works well, and I think it will come back again. Next one undoubtedly being Liyue edition.

They said chronicled wish will be a semi-regular thing.

I think we can expect it to come back every couple of patches. They wouldn't let us build pity on smth that wouldn't come back. Right? Right?!

@@kiro-chan6179 They specifically said it would be available "from time to time", so we can surely expect it to come back - we just can't be sure when.

You're talking to the Genshin Impact community. An overwhelming amount of "Actually"☝🏻🤓 regarding anything, no matter how insignificant, is inevitable.

What also helps is the characters have gimmicks that allow them to do a dedicated supports. For example, Dilluc had oddly high plunge scaling. And now he was buffed with Xianyun.

"older characters" in question: no im genuinely curious. what are those "older characters" you talking about?

Yeah, this is a small gripe I have with HSR currently. Endgame feels a bit too much like a character check. However, it's only 2.1, and some team archetypes have still yet to be properly explored (notably break)

@@kison7715Keqing, Diluc, Jean, Kazuha (he’s pretty old, despite being SS+ tier for years), Sucrose, Xiangling, Xingqui, Fischl, etc.

Diluc for plunge with Xianyun, Jean and Noelle for party heals with Furina, all Pyro and Electro for overload reactions with Chevy, Geo being viable outside mono Geo with Chiori/Navia. Outside from teams, Marreechausee and Golden Troupe is great on older characters like Xiao, Fischl, and Miko.

Hard agree. If you need a shield and lack Zhongli, Layla is probably your best option.

2nd strongest shield in the game behind the Big Dong Zhong himself, with HP scaling for her damage so she doesn't lose out on being a shieldbot, and a cheap-ass burst to boot.

It's one of the best shields in the game with 100% uptime and cryo application on top, what's not to love?

@@randomtology In fact, I could make an argument she's better than Zhongli, due to her element

Layla would be an amazing 4-star... if her shield time was slightly longer! One of her better uses is with Wanderer, but the shield duration is awkward with his rotations, making Thoma the comfier choice.

Pretty sure Layla is best in slot as defensive option for mono cryo. Shield that never breaks and sub dps potential with kazuha/shenhe buffs. With no defense ganyu, kazuha, shenhe, Ayaka is better but if you need defense then replace ganyu with Layla.

@@denpaonice1442i actually doubt that, zhongli’s shred with Petra is probably better. People forget that Layla doesn’t buff the team and her dmg on a full hp build is not very good, she basically only offers a shield and single target cryo app (and the latter is often times not useful)

I'm using her in a double Geo double Cryo team with Navia. She's able to trigger both resonance's rather reliably all on her own

@@simonditomasso9868 nah. Layla actually has slight buffing capabilities with 4pc milileth for 20%atk with like 90% uptime. Even if zhongli gives more damage from res shred it won’t be by much since you’d have Kazuha/shenhe already for res shred, so the atk% buff is probably better if you already have res shred. Also Layla would be doing significantly more damage than zhongli. I have a full hp artifact set with good crit ratio and after Kazuha /shenhe buffs she does like 10k plus quill procs. So after 5 quills and entirety of her burst/skill she getting like 80k damage more or less . You won’t be getting that much damage from other mono cryo defensive supports. Also she’d be better at providing energy than zhongli. Plus her consistent cryo app makes cryo resonance more consistent to proc crit rate buff.

@@denpaonice1442 I’d have to try it since my Layla is raised and my Zhongli is on Petra. But like how do you even play that team? Ayaka without freeze? Sounds like a painful team to play begin with. And 80k per rotation doesn’t seem as relevant as increasing further your main cryo dps further EDIT: after some testing, zhongli variant cleared slightly faster, while having A LOT more shielding since he wasn't on a dmg build like layla. another observation, the ayaka team variant with kazuha charlotte furina was a billion times better than any mono cryo team variant, we're talking 30-40s clears compared to the 70-80s mono cryo clears

yes she is my buffer in my lisa team because of this xd she has 4pc noblesse since she is c6 and she buffs nicely and i love that she’s a quick swap tank! candace lisa aether are my main squad xd

She’s bad

@@alpha728 Riveting commentary, bruv, much persuasive.

@@alpha728 I won't say she's bad, she's pretty niche. If you need an extra NA buff, there she is.

@@sonofdeleniel007 truth hurts sometimes deal with it 😘

Its true. At time I feel that Nahida's strong dendro application works against her at times. She makes Electro swirl tricky, she makes generating blooms tricky as well. Thats why you have to run Xingqiu. To my knowledge him (and maybe c2 Yelan) are the only hydro units that can actually overwhelm her dendro application long enough to have the Hydro Aura on enemies. She also still suffers from not being able to take on waves of enemies. I can only recommend Kaveh only in Nilou bloom teams. With Nahida(especially c2), Nilou, Xingqiu, then Kaveh as th le driver. Not every bloom can belong to kaveh, thats just how it is, but the team slaps non-the-less. For a more comfortable, but lower damage potential experience, could trade Nahida out for Baizhu.

they need to drop a EM 5* weapon as well

So you're saying to pair him with Candace so he can proc his own blooms.

@@amandaslough125 I WISH it were that simple. Unfortunately his ult overides Candace ult. Which means he has no means of applying hydro. Granted, Candace has her C6, but the hydro application is peetty abysmal. However, this does work on full EM YaoYao, since her dendro application is not contingent on her normals. Thing is, she might die.

If only Kaveh were hydro...

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Is he worth building properly? Mine is lvl 80 and with decent artifacts for weapons I have amos bow r2 skyward harp and thundering pulse. I havent 90 him yet since he doesnt feel very strong at level 80 is it worth investing into him fully? He is also c1.

I want to know as well mine is 80 as well but I'm not satisfied 27k spread, my Nahida does 33k spread and my alhaitam does 50k spread even with yae miko tighnari does the lowest dmg but I like his character and I want to play him

@@akashsaxena7607 What are the levels on Nahi & Haitham? If they're 90 then that's part of your answer.

@@thegurlama7356 Okay, first off, lv. 90 is huge for Quicken DPS units, it's like a 24% DPS increase (Base multiplier goes from 1350 to 1808 and that's added on top of the base damage before per cent DMG bonuses) 2nd, and this is coming from someone who actively uses him so I'm aware of the bias, yes. He's VERY MUCH worth the investment. Pair him with an Electro partner like Fischl, Beidou, or Yae; give him a decent Gilded or Wanderer's set, put a good bow on him (Slingshot, Stringless, Skyward, Amos', hell even Elegy's amazing on him). Ten 30k Spread crits in 6s plus another 60k in raw damage, per rotation, is smexy, lemme tell ya.

@@thegurlama7356 I'd say if you don't have a better dendro main dps then absolutely. I think Alhaitham, or a well built Nahida main dps, would both be stronger choices but Tighnari is definitely good.

diaona healing and freezing enemy is good your bad build use 2 hp 2 healing

@@xxx-lq7ho Notice how I never mentioned the difference in shielding/healing values or the fact that Diona heals as well as shields....my point was that Layla has been better for me for general exploration because her shield comes out so fast, but also in actual gameplay because her shield is much sturdier than Diona's. And interruption resistance is pretty important for Wanderer & we would not like the shield to break I didn't even mention other subtle differences like how Layla can have consistent uptime on Tenacity of the Milleth's attack buff (a less common buff btw), while Diona would rely on the Noblesse Oblige buff instead. Though if you're running C6 Faruzan with Tenacity, Layla's Tenacity set can be replaced with Noblesse Oblige & still get the job done (because her ult only has a 40 energy cost). Layla's C4 also offensively buffs Wanderer more than Diona's kit does. As a generalist, I would say Diona is better. But Layla has her uses & her shield is the 2nd best shield (only bested by Zhongli's shielding), and Layla does serve Wanderer a lot better (which is a character I play often in overworld & Abyss).

@@ElementUser Diona's shield is terrible imo. She's more of a healer in my eyes, and I only use her over Layla when there's an HP drain mechanic like Bond of Life or Rift Hounds corruption. Layla does more damage and has better cryo application than Diona.

@@ElementUser healing help furina stock fanfair and shield help neuvelet also em boost help kazuha swirl more dmg

@@EddyConejo your build is bad lmao neuvelet can use her shield all hp build and healing help furina stock fanfair tested in abys 36stars. diaona is undrated. diaona shield is worst than baizu

The dendros are still relevant while the others are good on their own (except dori)

Dehya has gotten better with neuvilette

Dori is good in coop. Maybe its her way

Dehya has gotten more useful with Fontaine units. Dori on the other hand…

​@@zekkekeipa6521curious to why you say that

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He works perfectly fine, but Collei eats his lunch in Nilou Bloom thanks to her more heavy-handed application and significantly eased ER requirements (base 120% ER at C1 on a 60 cost burst means Sac Bow is enough to satisfy her ER needs allowing her to go full EM on artifacts, while also allowing her to front-load a f*ckton more damage in the process).

aren't the bountiful cores also healing him? i know he heals from normal cores depending on his EM, but i don't know about the bountiful ones... also, they could be too damaging, so you don't feel the heal even though it's there. i think he is a solid driver in budget-nilou teams: kaveh, nilou (obviously), yaoyao and xinqiu should work.

​@@Itsme-ty9udYes. He's practically immortal in Nilou teams.

exactly, he should be under niche, when was he ever "bad"

he can be played well in other comps with c4. He's a niche character, i don't get how he is "bad" when he's a whole driver

This shit must be months old.

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@@Kokichusthen why are you watching his videos?

So...hum...If I pull in the standard banner will I get his weapon? if not, what Vars says is true.

@@overlordshiina They introduced a separate banner with his weapon. The first run of the banner recently ended, it will come back again in the future.

It's like an extra element application to the enemy if your applicator has a problem with cd or reaction icd. Well, dori has a fast tick on her burst either way. It can help electro applications if you run around using sayu while dodging enemy attack.

Dori is actually good with Neuv. You can put Dori's lamp in midst of crowded mobs, and go around in circles with Neuv CA, this can trigger Dori's Electro application continuously. Really weird way to use, but she's actually not bad if used correctly.

She is best used with Furina because she is a team healer. Except only at c6.

His bigger damage output is from physical, so he's moreso closer to being a 4* Eula than being similar to other 4* cryo characters.

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if a character thrives using hyperbloom or any of its variations, this character is just not good

I believed his best team was furina baizou kazuha(or was nahida furina baizou?) Anyway, yeah he is pretty ok. My only problem is that in my test, he perform not much better than any other electro. I remember testing him not long ago, there was a boss in 12-1-1 so I tested a lot of comp. He was actually able to clear the boss in 20 second, beating most of my other DPS (I only miss Lynley and alhaitam). Then I changed him for kuki, not aggravate kuki, her normal em build for hyperbloom, and I cleared in 22 second.

​@@brunoafonso9084so, kuki shinobu is not good?😅

@@brunoafonso9084His kit was literally made for it though? Lol.

​@@brunoafonso9084so you mean nilou and kuki is bad

4.0: mediocre unless you're pyro

5.0 prediction: straight-up unusable

The only 2.0 *4 unit that get elevated through circumstances is Kuki shinobu

​@bem3760 and Thoma. I've heard he is good in a burning or burgeon team

​@@kwayke9Charlotte is very nice healer

It is not cope. It is a similar level of improvement how Noelle got better with Furina. She is much much more powerful than before because of Furina.

Not to mention, the element was only just introduced a year ago, so there's still ways to expand it in the same way niche units are being released for the other elements.

@@Eternity116 Example: We have no Dendro Sara/Gorou/Shenhe/Faruzan, and Nahida's technically a Support as opposed to a Sub-DPS, so a Dendro Fischl or Dendro Yae would be a fun addition. There's also only ONE dedicated debuffer in the game in the form of Faruzan, but not for any other element. A Dendro debuffer (I'm aware of Deepwood but let's talk not locked to an artifact set) would be interesting to see. We have no dedicated support for Burn, and it'd be fitting for it to be a Dendro unit the way Nilou is a Bloom Support.

exactly, like he was NEVER bad

Also Baizhu has had more reruns than him so lots of people don't even have Kaveh.

I don't have Dehya but if you'd use her for the resist to interruption, Zhongli makes it a better choice because of his res shred + shield. You won't even need damage reduction because you are shielded. Agree with Dori tho (plus Dori is a battery monster if you use her with Sac Greatsword)

@@gibidroidz in a chev team you cant use zhongli. so in this case he isnt even an option. but generally he is the king still when it comes to defensive. doh dehya can generally compare to other 4 star options depending on the team,sometimes even outshining them,doh those are very rare cases and only in teams where she can even use her burst for something.(mostly chev teams or furina teams) to give my own chev team as an example. given im not using benny(really hate his small circle)my chev team consists of raiden/sara/dehya/chev. dehyas e protects the whole setup while also reapplying the chev vv effect for raiden burst where the lack of int res is redundant,which i then follow up with dehya burst into a new rotation. its way smoother than the thoma variant(also less battery heavy given dehya doesnt burst offcd) and dehya even does good dmg in this(bout 400-500k with my c1r1 dehya)

you are massively overrating dori at c6 to even get that teamwide healing you need to on-field her which wastes time for actual dps and even if u do dori dps team with her as the carry the overall team dps is low she not better than kuki in furina teams since even though kuki gives less fanfare she still gives more team dps through hyperbloom which she doesn't need to on-field to do unlike dori and doesn't need to be c6 to do it going past that dori even as a pure fanfare generator is still bad compared to the likes of jean,sayu,charlotte (maidens beloved Bennett) since these characters not only have better particle generation but also give better supportive buffs or elemental application she is still mid even now bro

@@TybossMaster They called Dori a driver. You know, the character who takes up field time and uses NA strings to drive off-field units attacks? Like Sucrose? Where exactly did you see them call Dori the hypercarry?

@@consciousnesshidden in teams where u use c6 dori with furina she not a drive it take more than 6 sec to skill spam and na a bit that's on-fielding bro going past that if dori is used with furina it is a type hyperbloom/quickbloom (dmg furina cant buff) so the team is trying to buff a units skill/burts/na dmg with amp reaction team core is dori furina dendro flex you wouldn't use cyno because dori takes up lots of field or alhaitham so that leaves either fischl or a anemo unit making these dori carry teams not driver teams

Is a real shame that most 4⭐️ nowadays needs to be C6 in order to be viable. That electro infusion + healing could be great as a passive

Shinobu is better. Nuff said.

@@paulyvii A character being good doesn't mean others are bad LMAO. By your logic, even Shinobu is bad since EM Raiden exists lol.

@@consciousnesshidden but shinobu has healing, I don't get why raiden would be better

@@paulyvii in the off field pure em hyperbloomer role, sure. But the role that Dori serves is different and she's better at it. She's an on field enabler. As she procs hyperblooms, she also does decent aggravate damage and heals the whole party for furina's stacks Take cyno's premiere team for example, he needs baizhu to be there. Replace cyno with Dori and you have a quick swapable team first of all. But second, you can replace baizhu with fischl. This is a genuinely good team and I will build by Dori to play it once I have C6

Yup. And can also be combo'd with him in a Burgeon team.

It depends on the enemies and who you're using. For waves of enemies, Nahida isn't the best for a burgeon team because you would have to keep using her E to tag them beyond the cooldown requirements. My Yaoyao isn't built, so not a viable option for me rn.​@@kichiroumitsurugi4363

A god-like creature and their "feeble" (looking at you Alhaitham -_-) counterpart. Kinda cute

Same. Esp if you reach C2 Dehya. I’ve been running Dehya, Fischl, Kuki, Chev for months and it’s great. I’ll eventually build out Raiden or something to throw in there.

Yes but sucrose

@@lelolelo5441 not saying he'd be the best at it but its still a decent option, same case for heizou

@@angiewu8294 The problem is that Sucrose is quite LITERALLY the Anemo Queen right now next to Kazuha and Venti, and the three are so oppressively good that amazing characters like Jean and Scara look mid in comparison. Scara's a Hypercarry, simple as. If you're gonna do a Tazer comp with him it's a 2x Anemo Tazer comp with him, Faruzan, Fischl, and and Xingqiu. If you're gonna do Aggravate it's him, Faru, Fischl, and Kirara (because he HAS to have stagger resist or he gets swatted like a fly). If you're gonna do Freeze it's Scara, Faru, XQ, Layla. If you do traditional Hypercarry it's Scara, Faru, Bennett, and a flex (Usually Layla or Thoma). He doesn't simply slot into a team, he makes it HIS team, which can make all the difference in unit inclusivity. Kazuha & Sucrose just slot in, they don't have to be active drivers if they don't need to be. Scara HAS to be an active driver or carry.

@@sonofdeleniel007 i mean we may have different definitions of hypercarry but i take it to mean teams where there is 1 dps onfielder with almost every other character slot being used to amplify that dps's damage. for example, xiao-faruzan-bennett-xianyun, where you can maybe argue that faruzan or xianyun is a sub dps but if we're being real here, probably not. but in the teams you've listed, the focus is on overall team damage or even on the sub-dps, like fischl-xingqiu (you can even swap faruzan for beidou and build him full em + get stagger resistance with beidou's c1) and have it still be a viable team because taser is broken. and once you're building him full em, he isn't restricted to only teams with faruzan, he can be like any other anemo catalyst driver. and of course he still has his usual hypercarry team granted, as i said, he can't be as good as sucrose who has better aoe, grouping, and em buffing. but we're not talking about the absolute best teams here, we're talking about reaching the bare minimum damage ceiling to clear (barely existent) endgame, which he can reach despite not being the most optimal. no he isn't built to slot into every team the way kazuha or sucrose is, but if we're saying nilou is niche (considering she literally only has 1 team), i'd say scara is way more versatile. anemo units are almost always versatile purely because of vv and their ability to swirl, which as an anemo catalyst he absolutely can do consistently. you see this in abyss challenges and speedruns (those cn speedrun tournaments with a lot of limitations especially) where literally any anemo unit can be chosen and put on 4vv. sorry for the essay! just writing all my thoughts down :)

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If you want to free Xinqiu/Yelan out of Nilou bloom, there is Barbara. Heck she is even better than those two in that team. No need placing Candace in Nilou teams since Barbara is there. Unless you just really want to use Candace but that is just making life harder so I see no other point.

I don't think she's good enough for abyss, if you're f2p your other 3 characters would probably not have enough damage to compensate a missing Xingqiu.

No you can easily clear without xq. And you can do it with Barbara, but yaoyao Candance Nilou nahida is a strong version to. The end result is pretty similar, but with way more survivability than Barbara (unfortunately full em barb heal for nothing). I even tested baizou in place of yaoyao but the result was still basically the same.

@@vanxxx3043 true, and yea, it depend on what player have tbh, candace is alright but out of all the hydro unit we have, she's the least useable unfortunately (excluding the hydro traveller, we don't talk about hydro traveller ever be useable) even Mona can be use as dps or nuke support

​@@r0n1n-in nilou bloom Candace is definitely better than xingqiu she bulit pretty much exclusively for tank stats and em while on fav to give lots of energy also since when swap units u get the aoe explosion she gives lot off hydro in aoe which is what nilou teams are run for since she's so uncontested as a unit she allows u to use your xingqiu or yelan on a different team

Wait for quickbloom deniers 🤡

Mentioned before in another section, but Cyno was always good. His only major point of contention is he takes FOREVER to do his thing on field. 14-18s of field time is ridiculous for a hypercarry when the average is 10-12s, which makes buffs and debuffs much harder to maintain for him than any other Quickbloom carry despite his impressive damage output and reaction potential. Some players just aren't used to 25s+ rotations, they prefer 20s rotations or 15s Quickswap rotations. That's fine. Part of why he's so GoATed with the sauce right now is Furina amping Baizhu to the f*cking moon who amps Cyno to the f*cking moon. Both of them have buffs that last his entire field time and pair super nicely with Nahida who has a 25s Mark. Amazing for bossbusting. Tigh & Keqing can just do a similar job with faster rotations in exchange for lesser DPS output. Abyss is also easy enough that - so long as the damage is "good enough", which Tigh and Keqing DEFINITELY fit that bill - their performance is plenty comfy enough to work for most players.

@@sonofdeleniel007i pulled cyno on his first banner. Although i love him, hes mid. Being forced to use premium teams and the most busted reaction means he cant compete with his base kit.

cope cyno main, get mogged by the alhaitham mains

@@substitutedoll5224 go back to playing Pokémon.

Collei and Dendro MC are specially good when you have multiple comps...something many people don't do. But in my case I do make a ton of team. I have to say even thought Nahida often offer more dps, the dps difference is not massive enough to actually be noticiable. This are my Dendro teams: 1. Al Haitham, Nahida, Yelan and Kuki. 2. Raiden, Xingqiu, Dendro MC and Diona. 3. Nilou, Collei, Yao Yao and Candance However the final comp really needs C6 Candace. But the combo between Yao Yao and C6 Candace makes this Nilou comp suprisingly powerful. As Yao Yao have tons of Dendro applications if she is on-field...which she now can thanks to Candace turning her attacks into hydro and giving it Aoe explosion to cause even more Blooms. Finally non of my dendro comp shared teammates. Meaning I can use them at the same time, if the abyss want Dendro on both sides...also I'm planning to build a burgeon comp, but as of now those comps feel incompleted. So I will wait for when they release a unit that make that comp viable.

wtf i did not know that . time to put my lvl90 c6 dori to good use!