Cool talk I think that both intuitives and sensors trust the reality that they can see and touch but Sensors are leaning on identifying what is explicit and obvious and avoid identifying their interpretation of the implicit implications (by keeping it open). Intuitives are focused on identifying their interpretation of the implicit implications and less on what is explicitly obvious. The nuance here is that sensors are still doing intuition, but we are more careful when trying to identify it or utilize it when making a decision unless it's been made explicitly obvious. Intuitives are still sensing, but they are very careful when making decisions based on what is explicitly obvious unless they can identify the implications. What wasn't discussed is how intuitives tend to guess at what the sensory should be, and if the sensory doesn't "fit" they might smudge the edges to make it fit their interpretations. Intuitives (Ni more than Ne) will also tend to cherry pick sensory information that fits into their interpretation and be unaware of the information that doesn't fit (confirmation bias). We all do this, but sensors will feel more responsible to avoid this and fall further into sensory every time they catch themselves doing it (unless they're in a conspiracy theory swing where "everything is finally starting to make sense"). Sensors tend to fixate on the most extreme implications (Si more than Se) and are less capable of seeing the nuances.
The way intuition manifests for a lot of Ne users is that we walk around believing nothing is impossible… and if the rules of this reality doesn’t allow it, then we find another reality that does. And there’s a sort of dissatisfaction lead intuitives tend to have with reality. Like something can always be better and that is what gets us to look at the world through an innovative lens! But I sometimes can’t tell the difference between my imagination and reality so I keep losing my important stuff 😭😭😭 where did my work permit go
To me it seems it's mostly the NFP's that seem to be into the idea that actually nothing is impossible compared to the NTP's. Whereas Ne is a very open functions for ideas, Ti makes the NTP's much more convinced that reality functions according to a specific (natural) laws that are set in place. Te, being an extroverted function and lower in the stack of the NFP's, makes them more open to the idea that actually anything is possible. Especailly the ENFP is least limited by realism.
@@PowerRedBullTypology I have seen NTP's get trapped when they can't logic their way out of something. And therefore a slightly higher risk of "that's just the way it is." I think INFJ’S are interesting because they hold both judgement functions in almost similar regard. Respecting Ti systems while also seeing the logic behind emotional harmony. And having the Intuition to make each system flexible enough to support lasting change while allowing people to be human. That said, I highly respect ENTP's, and grateful for ENFP'S and INFP'S who have helped me so much, for having that flexibility of perspective! The times it has helped me free my Ni perspective have felt life changing and freeing. So yeah, Ti can be a little more fixed in their ways. I guess I don't think as much in multiple possibilities as much as multiple logics that have to be balanced to prevent reality from running off the rails. Pick the direction that best leads to happiness. Then weave the logics of thinking and feeling reality to naturally support your desired outcome. And while I don't think others miss the logic of feelings on a channel like this, maybe as a support to others I would say. If you don’t think feelings are as real as tangible reality, try ignoring them. 7+ Billion people will eventually prove you wrong and foil your plans. This turned out more my own thoughts than a reply, I'm sorry! I would agree that Ne-Te is more flexible with concrete reality.
@@PowerRedBullTypology oh ya that makes a lot of sense. I think xntps are naturally more curious about understanding the laws that govern reality and can therefore make great sci fi/fantasy writers since they’d know how creatively break them. I think a lot of ne users essentially consciously or subconsciously reject the saying “it is what it is” (se) and walk around thinking instead “but not what it could be”. More so, for xntps, rather than a green unicorn being able to jump out of your morning cornflakes, certain complicated problems that look impossible to everyone else just looks like a large knot to them. With first principles thinking (ti) the knot can be untangled, and the rope can be reshaped (ne). I bet there’s some correlation between chuunibyo (eight grader’s syndrome) and xnfps.
I think the "something can always be better" part is a EXFP thing in general. Looking with Se on things I also feel like we could make the world a way better place for everyone for an example. Because I gathered all the sensory realistic information and I see what is going wrong right now. With Ni I can imagine a better future for everyone. Coming from an ESFP 😊
Great video! It was hard to get my sensor(ISTJ) hubby to see my vision(ENTJ) n possibilities with my garden and heck even my channel. He wasn't impressed with my plan and even had reservations regarding to how organized I can get to make it happen, how i can grow this etc. Kept going n going n didn't waver. 3yrs later he now is sold on my vision and now helps me even MORE from garden work to tech. I'm assuming he saw improvements or enough visual/analytical data to go along with it🤔
I have had the same experience with my INFP wife’s ideas. I could not see them. But once she made them happen, i understood and was all in. Thanks for your thoughts.
This is not a general sensor problem, it is the SJ need for security. A guaranteed outcome would be best for them. No investment in future chances or just for fun, please. I am ISFP and started blogging in 2001. I had no NJ vision for my blog, at that time it was a crazy hobby for most of my bubble anyway. But I was curious and I have leant very much with this experience. It helped me later with more "serious" online activities. SJ types can be demotivating. But maybe ExxPs wouldn't care. 🙃
I think that trend that was going around a while ago with various items that turned out to be cake is a good example of not trusting the physical as an intuitive. If I see a pen I know that that might REALLY end up being cake in the shape of a pen. Also, I don't know if it's me using Si or what, but I also find that when a person I know in my life has shown a history of their intuitive ideas turning out to be right, that that builds a foundation of trust in my mind towards that person's ideas even if I don't see how the idea works myself right away. They were right before more often than not, so they're probably right this time too.
Joyce I loved the point you made about what it takes for a sensor to trust you over the way an intuitive will trust. I had never thought of it that way before.
Yeaaaayaaaah great explanation. One time I went with some friends to an improv performance and we were allowed to put in a line that we wrote that they might say at some time into a fishbowl. I put in “Remember the thing at the thing about the thing within the thing?” They used it and I’ve never seen so much relief come across an improv actor before. Works everytime, and my friends would say in our twenties that that’s a Julaian principle… “ it’s sort of like this, but not and more like this but only sort of”. And then I’d add an yadah yadah yadah yadah and a you know but not really. ;) tangibility can be metaphysical too it’s just on the tip of our brain instead of our tongue.
Not to shoot down the wonderful points in this video but some of it just makes it sound more simple than it really is. I’m an ISFP and I’m strongly connected to my Ni. Isn’t it a thing to be more connected to your tertiary function and have the need to develop the co-pilot auxiliary function to truly help you progress? I’m pretty intuitive, I’m spiritual, I’m connected to the metaphysical and the imaginary. Only, if you survey the wild abstract stuff I’m interested in and ponder they almost always have a physical endpoint (to make art, to make beauty, to help the physical environment). But you have to look closer. I want to put it out there that you don’t have to be either an intuitive or a sensor flat out. You have to know your function stack. Naturally, your secondary function will be underdeveloped. But being that my intuition is not a parent function, I do notice that I’m not as good at it as other intuitives who have it high in their stack. I have tended to put too much trust in what can be seen at face value. If someone is presenting as trustworthy to me on the outside, I have tended in the past to forget to see past that into their probable intentions for acting in such a way. I have been gullible before. Or I can fully see everything through this fantasy Ni lens and not truly interface with reality at all. I also easily forget how people have acted in the past and be so immersed in present Se experiences with them that I lose sight of the patterns. I have needed to get my hand burnt by the stove a couple dozen times before learning lessons. Experience is the teacher. Whereas I notice with intuitives they’re happy with simulations. Reading fiction and immersing themselves in fictional worlds are big things for them (i care about those things too but to an extent) For me I haven’t known a thing or a person until I’ve experienced them. Also Ne Polr can make me think of the worst case scenario, rather than with someone with high Ne function where the ability to intuit possibilities is more a positive experience. I find that being mainly a sensor, I need other people’s help to think outside the box. I think I’m great creatively. I can think outside the box when I’m doing my art that people deeply resonate with on an emotional level. But when I’m dealing with my own personal life I’m all of a sudden a terrible storyteller. It’s that need for the physical evidence and marker for ideas. My advice for other isfp’s out there is to just go out there and get that sensory data. Engage with the sensory world and get reactions out of it. You can’t intuit yourself to your answers, so just put yourself out there. It will never be enough for you to just run simulations all day. Although that can help. Intuition, especially extraverted intuition is just the ability to see beyond yourself, beyond your present reality , beyond your own personal context.. The invisible is valuable in that way. With severely undeveloped intuition and inability to run simulations we’re basically an island. ISFP’s can tend to think their way of viewing the world is the only way because of that Ne Polr. Learning mbti has helped me get out of my own head a little better and introduce myself to other points of view. Because I’m a sensor I do need to trick myself into believing it’s useful for me. When you’re an ISFP your world can narrow down into only your own experience, to only what you’re able to see, to only the present, to only your context, to only what is useful for you… what has utility, what has relevance to your physical reality. We ISFP’s can live in a very selfish world in that way. At least INFP’s have that Ne function which craves other people’s points of view. I notice the difference between INFP and ISFP artists is that the former is more concerned with characters and all these different persoectives, that’s the palette they furnish themselves with, while the latter is more concerned with bringing form to their own personal emotions and values which can be great and so rich with feeling but can lack real variety in perspectives. Se-Ni users can be extremely sure that their way is the way.
INTJ here married to ESFJ. As an intuitive I don't feel surprised at all when some individuals disappoint me or cancel plans etc. because I was able to imagine the possible ways of how they'd act from the different scenarios they've behaved in the past, like having the intuition that so-and-so will do something to prove they're awfully unreliable because of X Y and Z, whereas my dear husband as a sensing type often needs reassurance to know he is loved and appreciated as he generally makes judgment according to what he observes in the present or how a circumstance is related to something he remembers from the past.
Very great explanation ! Surely one of the best. "possibility it could be the meaning that lies behind the physical that we can see" I love this sentence.💙
If I was new to typology coming to this video I would think I'm more on the intuitive side, just because of my faith and reliance in my religion. Obviously it doesn't pan out that way, because many sensors are religious and put their ultimate faith and trust in that metaphysical realm while there are intuitive types who are agnostic or atheists. Although I understand that we mean more than just religion when we're talking about putting faith in the metaphysical realm, this would have to be a large piece of that concept, which makes it problematic for religious censors or non-religious intuitive types.
Yeah, that's a good point. We didn't mean to make it sound religious. We aren't referencing God in any sort of way, but I understand that saying the phrase "putting your faith into the metaphysical" can sound misleading. We are talking about how sensing types tend to take in information in a more concrete straightforward manner, thus are more likely to trust experience. Whereas intuitives have a tendency to focus their attention on extrapolating the implications and possibilities of a thing.
Sensors trust the physical, tangible, visible, evidence through senses. Realistic, concrete, takes it at face value, actual Intuitives look beyond the physical, an idea, possibility, meaning, guessing, speculation, potential, imagination, belief, theory, metaphysical, the future of it, understanding, invisible truth, depth, can’t be proven, question
I think I’m intuitive simply because of where I tend to be able to understand the nuance. If you show my intuitive ass an apple, it’s an apple no doubt. But if you take it away it becomes an archetypal apple. You might have shown me a Granny Smith apple with a couple of brown spots on it. I won’t remember it that way. I won’t see the apple I’ll just represent it in my mind as a green apple.
@@sylviaowega3839 I think a combination of being on the autism spectrum and taking a letters test in high school psychology class is why I mistyped as ISTJ to begin with.
When I see a theory about a show I watched I am like: "😲 Wow I never could have came to the same conclusion but I love it soo much." Often times I am not a person who comes up with theories about shows but I just enjoy them. Really good video! I am for sure a sensor. I am an ESFP by the way.
I am wondering if Sensing is experienced as a kind of Intuition or Sixth Sense in some contexts. Like I remember Jason saying he played Hockey before, does playing ever feel like something “intuitive” is going on? Like when “in the zone”… or when a team feels like it has “momentum”.
It can. Even those who favor sensing still use intuition. Everyone does. To be truly great at a sport, both are necessary. But Extroverted Sensing, when high, tends to lead someone to be better at sports. But there are always exceptions.
That sounds almost verbatim like the SeNi axis, like any other function axis the 2 functions are linked by definition. Take an Se-dom/aux athlete for example - that "in the zone" thing is essentially Ni making lightning-fast predictions in the background in order to inform quick Se action. Se isn't inhernely reckless like the stereotypes suggest (unless it's unhealthy), Ni is always working in tandem with it by forming intuitive conclusions from the masses of data that Se takes in
I was thinking more along the lines that Sensing in some contexts can be confused with Intuition (at least the colloquial definition of Intuition). So I was also thinking that it can be a source of confusion, since something like Se-high in the stack can be reflexive and automatic, as if you just kind of know what is going to happen, right now.
@@jbodhi15 I can definitely see that too. Even with SiNe every idea that Ne generates is informed at least to some degree by the personal experiences/associations that Si categorizes and stores
I was typed by Eric Straus as an isfj. I was typed by Joyce Meng as an enfp. I put my faith/trust in the unseen (God). But I have had the manifestation of that belief in the real world. I do tend to see the posibilities...So perhaps Joyce is right. But my husband, a self typed esfp, is very much a believer of God sight unseen...he even gets uncomfortable with my questioning of why God does certain things. 🤔 p.s. Jason I like that backdrop you have in your videos! But I get the vibe you are changing things up...it will be interesting to see what you do next w/ your channel!
This reminds me of the fact that I believe vampires and witches exist my ISFP mother does too. But I know many don't and I am like "How do you know?-Because I haven't seen it.-Well exactly you can't deny a thing you haven't seen!" Lol
You are probably an ISTP. ISTP are one of the most balanced types in terms of sensors or intuitive. I read somewhere that ISTPs sensor abilities, paired with there investigative nature is so precise that ISTPs can define things to such a perfect degree it almost functions as intuition. For example understanding how to paint so well that you have mastered function of painting...and instead of taking your car for new spray coat when you car's paint fades, instead you develop a way to paint your car on your own in a more cost effective way. Like an intuitive you are using connections and information. But it's because you've sensored the shit out of painting that now you can see other painting possibilities. While and intuitive can come up with the same theory without application or Mastery of paint theory... does that make sense?
@@kiaadams104 ISTPs are beasts, my friend is probably one and they really do have an almost zen-like balance of sensing and intuition. They can understand physical systems almost instantaneously and can find ways to move forward with great confidence from the Ni, it's really their "secret weapon"
As someone whom has is a strong Ne user as an INTP, I often encounter a lot of personality conflicts with a lot of sensor type, but that they aren’t any worse then they are
The example at the end struck me as odd, "This is not really a pen, this is really a tool to change the world." Since a pen is indeed a tool, and isn't changing the world the purpose of tools?
Intuitives are flexible and okay with speculation even if it has not happened yet. But sensors will not move a step forward if they don't see tangible proof or rule or procedure or maybe law as well. Uncertainty of the future is killing for sensors 😂
Thanks Joyce for this video! I’ve been following you for almost a year now and I enjoy your content. Can someone give me an example of a sensor and intuitive talking about a topic or thing ….maybe something controversial like Aliens or dimensions lol that will give me a better insight into the minds and thinking styles of sensors and intuitives . I’m just so curious at how a conversation would look like
Hmmmmm, I'm not too sure that I would gauge whether someone favors sensing over intuition based on whether they put their faith in the physical world, or the non-physical/intangible world. By that metric religion/spirituality would appeal far more to intuitive types than sensing types, and I don't think that's the case at all. Perhaps it's more that when sensors envision the non-physical/intangible world, they imagine it to be LIKE the physical world.
Yeah, we accidentally used language that has some religious connotation! We didn't mean to imply that. NT types are more likely to be atheists or agonist on average, so there isn't that kind of correlation between type and a person's faith. However I think the general points we mentioned are valid. With sensing types taking physical objects more at face value, whereas intuitives will be quicker to jump to the future implications or possibilities of a thing.
@@JoyceMeng22 , yes, exactly, NT types are the most likely to be atheists and agonists, and meanwhile SJ types are heavily represented in organized religion and SP types are often into more esoteric forms of spirituality. So yeah, the wording was a bit misleading, but I certainly do agree that sensors take the physical world more literally, while intuitives interpret the physical world in terms of its future implications/possibilities. It would be really interesting, though, to explore further how each of the MBTI types relates to the concept of a non-material reality as presented through various forms of religion/spirituality.
So what is the tangible aspect of MBTI? There must be one because he is involved in it. ;-) Want to say: I do not support this defintion. ISFPs are not automatically anti intellectual simps.
INTJ here married to ESFJ. As an intuitive I don't feel surprised at all when some individuals disappoint me or cancel plans etc. because I was able to imagine the possible ways of how they'd act from the different scenarios they've behaved in the past, like having the intuition that so-and-so will do something to prove they're awfully unreliable because of X Y and Z, whereas my dear husband as a sensing type often needs reassurance to know he is loved and appreciated as he generally makes judgment according to what he observes in the present or how a circumstance is related to something he remembers from the past
