Are You Dampening Your Forgiveness? 

Awesome! I'm glad it worked for you as well!

how do you see this helping in a hunting situation? aside from the forgiveness (accuracy) factor. but will it increase noise?

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That's less efficient, though. Check out this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-y7Z02EbeVtg.html

Yeah I know! That's what I thought too! I guess it can work against you the same as it can work for you. That's why I think you probably just have to play with it until you find the most optimal spot for it for your shot specifically.

Thank you 🙂 that's very kind. I'll see what I can't get together.

I don't ekrry about noise so much either. Hopefully, you can get a little more accuracy from it! Thanks for watching

Yeah, that and it dampens the vibration in your bow hang but like you said I feel like that really only super important for hunting applications.

For sure! I hope it works out for you

Thanks for watching, Let me know how it work for you

That's probably a good way of going about it. With the rod completely off the bow the vibration was pretty heavy and I have to wear an arm guard. With it on the bow and forward about an inch, I feel the vibration a little bit in my grip but not a terrible amount. I think the position of it will change from bow to bow and shooter to shooter.

@@AngusMoss_Archery thanks for all of the solid info.

@@waynestevenson9613 Thank you for watching!

Thanks for the subscribe and I hope you get it working for you!

Some target bows don't have them but I will say that I'm glad that the TRX Series has them becuase I've also taken the string stop completely off while testing it and it didn't shoot as well as it does when it's an inch or so forward.

It's gonna to depend on your shot specifically. But I am leaning towards yes. Because the edge of the tin at 55 yd is about an inch and a half away from center and the edge of the 10 at 20 yards is about a half inch from center. So it should do the same thing. But I haven't messed with it for indoors enough yet.

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Honestly, I had to cut mine down to test it properly. I did that knowing that I might have to get another one but it was worth it for me. I only cut an 1/8 inch at a time until I got to about 1 1/4 away from the string and then I started noticing that the bow was getting less forgiving so I stopped cutting it and started working my way back until I found a spot that worked the best for me. If you have a paint pen or something like that you can take the set screws out and make a mark through the set screw holes (Make sure you make the marks with the string stop touching the string obviously) and then as long as you don't cut past those marks you'll be able to push it forward a lot more and still be able to pull it all the way back to where it touches the string. For me, about a half inch to an inch away from the string is the best spot for the string stop.

Not quite. I think some "punchers" may do that but I'm talking about when your pin float looks really good and you're going through your execution process and right before/during the release firing The pin moves off target and you try to pull your site picture back into the center (Even if it's after the arrow has fully left the bow).

@@AngusMoss_Archery so just your natural movement back to center? That makes sense

@@tonyviers-de9qi yes its a kind of "knee jerk" reaction that happens naturally.

Yeah I tried using my bow without it but the oscillation of the string was too much and it was tearing my arm up.. Plus it shoots a little bit better where its sitting now anyways.

Hmm, I'm finding it hard to explain that for some reason. It's basically when a shot fires that was less than ideal, you know it's not right, and you try to jerk it back in as it's firing/after it's fired. Some people call it "bow-quan-do" or "onion". If you watch Archery broadcasts enough, you'll eventually see someone do it.

Picture billiards, same thing, but more of a knee-jerk reaction in archery.

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My facial structure and arm length make it so that I have to have a longer D-Loop. Basically its so that I can avoid excessive face contact and have proper skeletal alignment at my anchor point. Basically you want you D-Loop to be long enough so that there is a good transfer of load from your arms/shoulder into your back and still give you good clearance from the arrow and your face. D-Loop length and draw length are NOT connected. You want your draw length to be set so that you don't have very much face contact with the string, and little to no contact with the arrow. After you find the draw length that fits you best THEN you should start working on D-Loop length. The purpose of shortening and lengthening your D-Loop is to fine tune your anchor point, skeletal structure, and maximize "motion in direction" Pressure. Motion in direction is your "push/Pull" pressure towards your aiming point (Roughly). The straighter you can make that pressure the better off you will be.. (motion in direction is a more complex topic than how I explained it but that's a basic idea of the concept I think) I'll try to get a video up on how to find your correct draw/loop length in the next couple of months. So: #1: It depends on your body. Most people have too short of a D-Loop. I hate to sound like I'm bashing shops but the reason shops like people to get "that extra half inch of draw length" by putting a "5/8" loop on is because they don't want to spend the time with each individual person to figure out the correct draw length and Loop length for them. It's much easier and time efficient for the shops to convince all of the shooters/hunters that "a 5/8" loop is the industry standard" because they're "doing you a favor" by getting you "that extra 1/2 inch of draw length" when in reality they're just making their job easier by forcing everyone Into the same box. Most people are using hunting bows too, so the axle to axle on those are usually a lot shorter which makes having a shorter D-Loop even worse. #2: When you shorten your d-loop and increase your draw length what you're doing is pulling that string back even tighter into your face and inflicting more face contact with the arrow.. either that or you're just altering the way that you're holding your head or your body/form which isn't good either. A 1/2" of draw length does absolutely nothing for you in the big picture of things.. If you can increase your accuracy by 1/3 (or a 1/4, or a 1/5, etc.) and only lose 5 foot a second, that's awesome if you ask me. #3 that's not to say that all shops suck or that all shops just try to get you out the door or make you feel awkward about not liking something that they set up, but some do.. more do than most think actually.. AND that's not to say that a 5/8" loop isn't right for some people because it absolutely is! But, out of ALL archers, if I had to give a percentage for how many people a 5/8" loop was right for I'd say it's under 10% easily. Anyways, I hope thats helpful in someway. Let me know if I need to clarify any of that or if you have any questions. God bless you and your family! 🙂

@@AngusMoss_Archery I was actually asking more about the relation between axle to axle, string angle, and the d loop… and how target archers have longer d-loops on their longer bows then they do on something they will hunt with… I have my draw length at 27.75” on my hunting bow, but I’m looking to get a target bow… and since I’m in an area where not many target set up are to be had, I wanted to get mods that would most likely fit me the best….

@@RobertWilliams82-22 oh, my mistake! the reason that more guys will put a shorter loop on hunting bows is because, with the sting angle so steep, that they can't get the string to touch their nose at anchor. (Or at least one of the more practical reasons) That's one of the advantages of the nose button in my opinion. It gives you about an 1/8 inch less string/arrow contact by giving you an extension of the string. I still don't agree with having the string dug super deep into your face at anchor though. Watch Josh Bowmar's video where he puts his bow in the draw board and uses a bow scale to show how pressure on the string (in the let off section of the draw cycle) can influence the string. It's insane I'll leave a link below ⬇️ ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-M_MboYDgds8.html With my hunting set ups I will alter my body just a LITTLE bit by tilting my head forward into the string to help with contact issues caused by the sharp angle of the string but I do it protestingly. It would be pretty hard for me to tell you what mods you should get for the longer axle to axle bow because I don't know what your setup is currently like on your shorter bow. If you want you can message me on Instagram with some pictures and I can give you my thoughts. 🙂

@@AngusMoss_Archery it’s all good brother, just trying to fine tune things….. but I do acknowledge that I have trouble with face pressure… I’m still trying to learn to anchor properly… I have less then normal feeling in the right side of my face due to a surgery on my neck below my jaw two years ago before I picked up archery…. And I have the nose button

@@RobertWilliams82-22 I got you man, you'll get it figured out! There is a way to anything that you set your mind on. If I can help in any way let me know!

My bow felt a little better too. I definitely felt a LITTLE bit more vibration in my grip, but very little.

😆 thanks for watching! 😁

Yeah, it's just how my body is made. I need a longer loop. I'll work on getting a video up on how to set up draw/loop lengths. Thanks for watching!

@@AngusMoss_Archery couldn't you use a shorter D-loop and increase draw length 1/2 at least?

@@AngusMoss_Archery that worked out well for me anyway

@@JamesBond-oc4gm #1: It depends on your body. Most people have too short of a D-Loop though. I hate to sound like I'm bashing shops but the reason shops like people to get "that extra half inch of draw length" by putting a "5/8" loop on is because they don't want to spend the time with each individual person to figure out the correct draw length and Loop length for them. It's much easier and time efficient for the shops to convince all of the shooters/hunters that "a 5/8" loop is the industry standard" because their doing you you a favor by getting you "that extra 1/2 inch of draw length" when in reality they're just making their job easier by forcing everyone to be exactly the same. Most people are using hunting bows too so the axle to axle on those are usually a lot shorter which makes having a shorter D-Loop even worse. #2: When you shorten your d-loop and increase your draw length what you're doing is pulling that string back even tighter into your face and inflicting more face contact with the arrow.. either that or you're just altering the way you're holding your head or your body/form which isn't good either. A 1/2" of draw length does absolutely nothing for you in the big picture of things. If you can increase your accuracy by a third (or a 1/4, or a 1/5, etc.) and only lose 5 foot a second, that's awesome if you ask me. #3 that's not to say that all shops suck or that all shops just try to get you out the door or make you feel awkward about not liking something that they set up, but some do.. more than most think do, actually.. AND that's not to say that a 5/8" loop isn't right for some people because it absolutely is! But, out of ALL archers, if I had to give a percentage for how many people a 5/8" loop was right for I'd say it's under 10% easily. Anyways, I hope thats helpful in someway. Let me know what if you have any questions! God bless you and your family! 🙂

@@AngusMoss_Archery very well explained, thank you

Well, that's okay! Play with it, or dont 🙂 I'm just throwing the info out there! Thanks for watching, though!

I've found that it depends on the bow. Some bows shot better with them, some shoot better with them adjusted, and some shot better without them.