@@diegochavez6203Jordan put the fear of God in the NBA well before the expansion, and some of those expansion teams saw success very early in their existence, with the Magic and the Hornets making the playoffs in their first few years in the league. Cope harder.
Always has been, since he started podcasting. He knows how to work the system. And people hang onto every word. Says more about people than him lmao. He's owned that for years now.
@@TheEsquireOfSports yeh I mean I gotta totally agree with you. He's not hiding that fact or being a self righteous puppet like a Matt Barnes etc... hate it or love it I can at least respect it.
@@whateveryousaybro Not to mention that the Bulls was a trash franchise for the longest time. The Bulls had zero rings before Jordan and barely made the playoffs.
🤣probably one of the best comments i've seen about this subject🤣... that organizations dedication to losing is epic but ONLY TO BE SURPASSED by James Doland......
@@whateveryousaybro Correct, only true Bulls and White Sox fans know how bad of an owner Reinsdorf has been. And since that Bulls team got split up the Bulls have been terrible with only a few good years because the Bulls lucked out landing the #1 overall pick to draft D Rose. We got 4 good yrs of that D Rose team but no finals appearance. He's own the Sox for 43 years and 1 world series appearance and title. When someone sees 6 rings with the Bulls and 1 with the Sox it can make someone believe he's been a decent owner. Nothing could be further from the truth. I was hoping he'd sell the team but obviously it's being passed to his kid. They can't even hire the right people, at least Paxson as GM knew how to construct a team, this Eversley guy is an idiot.
I'm born 1992 i only seen mj play 1 game in 1996 but never liked nba. in 1999 my bro bought 2k then I liked lakers n I like shaq n Kobe. i started watching nba in 2005 Kobe could have had 3 peat w Gasol lol I was there in 2011 when lebum join big 3 n flopping in the playoff cheating his way to the top
Lebron Has Never came close to catching kobe, Kobe was on a whole nother level, The media tried selling that fake Lebron goat story and only Lebron fans bought that bs
Dwayne Wade admitted that Kobe was the reason he called up Lebron to join Miami. Wade knew he could get passed lebron in the east, but was afraid of Kobe coming out the west.
It's honestly sad to see all of the young fans lapping this bullshit fake news up and jock sniffing their asses off with Bron. The mass media and these talking heads need someone to check them...
@@brianharron3435 He definitely was that's why they ran shaq out of town, And then. His last two championships He was the best player also on his team And in The league.
@@demodiums7216 Give him a break. Young cats are usually spiteful and resentful solely because they are jealous of not seeing who they KNOW were better than Lebron. At least he acknowledges it.
I was lucky enough to get to watch Kobe, this man is remarkable, Lebronze will never ever be on the same levell. I respect that you also inform yourself as to what Kobe used to do, heck tons of videos to watch about how good he was as well.
“Kobe wasnt the lead dog when Shaq played for the Lakers” But LeBron was on that bubble team when AD led the Lakers in 13 statistical categories and was the team’s best defender?
yes the player who averaged 27, 10 and 8 while his teammate averaged 27, 9 and 4 was more of a lead dog than kobe who averaged 22, 4 and 4 while shaq averaged 27, 13 and 3. also if you watched the games the ball was going through lebron more than ad
Yeah I'm glad it finally happened. All joking aside Skap is so damn well spoken and articulate he could easily replace most shills on most mainstream sports sites/shows
@@GINGOLOGUNGASkap’s got a great cadence. It’s a good example for students who want to do something similar. A precise pronunciation, well thought sentences, and of course, facts & evidence!
@skap_attack him like most media outlets are compromised. He made no valid points to rebuttal the facts you was shooting at him. I love how you destroyed him and exposed his fakeness.
Arenas was no match honestly. My only regret is, I didn't get a shot to go at him one on one more. He got bailed out by people intervening and yelling at him.
@@skap_attackI'll be honest I couldn't get through that whole podcast with the one guy screaming over Gil the entire time. There needs to be a mute button implemented. I actually gained respect for Gil tolerating that for 2 hours, I can't think of any other former player turned successful RU-vidr doing that. A one on one debate between you and him would be awesome to listen to tho, hope you can find a way to make it happen!
@@SeanWatson-fd7iwour problem with Lebron is that they are skipping him over Kobe and frankly even over MJ. Lebrons a phenomenal player and he has accomplished a lot but he’s not better than these players and when there’s an unbiased narrative in the media just glazing Lebron and propping him up as the goat it really bothers us and we will fight tooth and nail to turn that shit down.
Unfortunately spread sheets proved you wrong. Their matchup is LeBron 16, Kobe 6. It's not even close. Oh and LeBron just statpadding too in those games. Actually he can just stop at 15 pts, 3 asts, 2 rebs... But you know LeBron. Gotta statpadding more, you know. Especially when he play against brick thrower like Kobe. Hey, free rebounds stat!
@@godsoulsukmadewaKobe shooting 52% and made more than 15 points defended by LeBron LeBron shooting 27% and only made 7 points when Kobe defended him 😂😂😂
@@pablorp4234 what? Oh must be stats from one of Kobe's 6 win in 22 games vs LeBron. Good for him. LeBron 14x outscored anyone in those 22 games. Almost the same number i guess when you talk about assists and rebounds. And if you talking about assists and rebounds... vs Kobe? Hah. Hahahahahah. Really. Not even close.
Klutch Sports is just a troll factory to promote LeBum's agenda in the mainstream media. It's about time RU-vidrs start poking holes in their narratives.
That is the thing that makes no sense. Not only does he talk about Kobe like Kobe is God but then points out all of the flaws that Lebron has and then still says that Lebron is better than Kobe. They should have refused to answer any of Gil's questions until he gave a legit reason as to why Lebron was better than Kobe
That was epic Skap. Gil is a walking contradiction. He literally just spouts nonsensical garbage, and usually gets away with it because nobody checks him. I’ve always liked your content, Skap, as you’re one of the very best content creators covering the NBA. But, after watching these last two videos, I have an entirely new level of respect for you. Blown away, my friend.
This is golden. I watched the live, but clearly I overlooked some key points that you made. Again, it was getting construed by all the passion at times. Great video.
@@judahmourneth3211 them morning drugs you on is hitting hard this am. Kobe who lead the nba in scoring for 10 years. Kobe would made 10 1st teams offense and 9 teams defense. Went to seven chips in 10 years and won five. Only played with one top 75 player. Fuck is you talking about stupid
My brother I am writing to you from Costa Rica, I am so happy to see that someone with such solid arguments defends our beloved Kobe, I respect Arenas a lot, he is very accurate in most of his comments, but it is obvious that Klutch Sports made him change his position On this topic, continue your great work telling the truth.
Thank you for pressing gilbert and trying to stay on topic because he always tries to use different analogies to explain his view without addressing the topic. KEEP UP THE WORK!
Bro, do a commentary about the 2013 ASG where Kobe totally embarrassed Lebron. Its the closest thing to a Kobe vs Lebron finals as we could get. Kobe locked Lebron in the 4th. No question about who had better help, because it's the ASG. Equal help and Kobe took him 1 on 1 all 4th quarter.
Weakest excuse I've heard for that is "It was just an All-Star game, nobody was taking it that seriously except Kobe". They gotta twist it so you don't see it for what it was -- an old Kobe was upholding the standard of competitiveness established in the previous two decades, and LeBron was falling short of that.
Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 4. Magic Johnson 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 10. Steph Curry 14. Kobe Bryant Bleacher report has Kobe #14 PPG: LeBron RPG: LeBron APG: LeBron SPG: LeBron BPG: LeBron FG%: LeBron 3pt%: LeBron FT%: Kobe TS%: LeBron PER: LeBron WS/48: LeBron VORP: LeBron MVP's: LeBron FMVP's: LeBron Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2) LeBron better player then Kobe Field goal% LeBron 50.6%✔️ Kobe 44.7% Points scored career LeBron 40,474✔️ (1st all time) Kobe 33,643 LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Total 3pointers made LeBron 2,410✔️ (8th all time) Kobe 1,827 Total Steals career LeBron 2,275✔️ (8th all time) Kobe 1,944 Total Blocks career LeBron 1,111✔️ Kobe 640 Defensive win shares LeBron 80.71✔️ (10th all time) Kobe 50.66 Assists Leader LeBron 1✔️ Kobe 0 Career highs Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record Career highs LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters LeBron 5✔️ Kobe 1 2010 NBA finals Game 7 Lakers 83 Celtics 79 Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points 2013 NBA finals Game 7 Heat 95 Spurs 88 LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings 2011 NBA playoffs Mavericks 4 Lakers 0 Kobe got swept with home court advantage and favored to win series LeBron 16-6 wins owns Kobe in 22 career meetings Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history isnt even top 9 player all time You worship a R apist Kobe Bryant
@@OdenGreyLeBron got the most turnovers in NBA history. Go watch 2011 NBA finals 😂😂😂😂😂. LeBron is the biggest choker in NBA history 💯💯💯💯 LeBron not even top 15 all time. Kobe is the goat 🐐🐐🐐🐐
MJ Kareem Lebron Kobe, Fixed it for you since you aren't man enough to use logic and take your feelings out of it, Kobe & Lebron are two of my favorite players ever and I believe Jordans the goat because I can take my feelings out of it and use logic
Yeah fr but it’s still crazy LeBron is so inferior to Kobe yet had 4 mvps and 2 fmvps by the age of 28 compared to Kobe having 0 mvps at 28 and 0 fmvps when he was 28 😅
@@stomio6491 Trust me, I have, they both cooked each other, they both get the best of each other in different scenarios, but how's that win loss record look against each other, you dudes love to throw Lebron's finals record out there 4-6, But now that a stat favors Lebron over Kobe, y'all act like it don't count lol
@@TheJohnWick1 nah. I just watched this whole podcast yesterday and the stat is smth like lebron shot 27% when guarded by kobe and kobe shot 52% when guarded by lebron. Edit: should be around the quarter way mark if im remembering right
@stomio6491 Kobe was definitely a Dog on defense, I can't remember the numbers off the top of my head, id have to go back, I'll check it out the pod tho see what they said. Lebron definitely didn't shoot that low every match up against Kobe, but i'm sure kobe definitely had games where he was putting clamps on that man
Skap I love how you went toe to toe with Gil. He was literally answering questions that weren't asked & not answering anything straightforward. He kept dodging & deflecting. I hope there's more episodes like this.
You know your facts, Jay! You've brought up some points that I was surprised by and disagreed with, then I looked it up, and you were right. Anyone on ESPN and in the mainstream sports media talk out their ass and misquote facts and misrepresent, and they just spew opinions as facts, so when you actually bring real facts, they get upset. Keith Olbermann (before he moved to politics) was one of the few Sport Journalists in recent history that actually said facts and made logical arguments and called people out on their bs. You remind me of him. Keep fighting the good fight!
Gil has LeBron over Kobe because he’s been compromised and it’s really that simple. Gil is a notorious Kobe fan and did not start this LeBron glazing until Bron asked him to train Bronny. Gil had Kobe #2 to Mike until a couple years ago and the videos can be found all over the internet of him saying so.
I didn't start watching the NBA until 2010 so I have watched much more LeBron than Kobe. But this was one of the best arguments I've heard for Kobe > LeBron. Better than that from those copy-paste LeBron > Kobe bots I've seen all over RU-vid.
@@danieldang3908 talking about actual bots. They have auto-generated usernames and they repeatedly use the exact same copy-paste text. They post it as comments and and as replies to comments that weren't even about Kobe.
@@danieldang3908he’s not. He takes the easy ways out. He always sets up teams to hide his weaknesses to get easy stats. He gets more assists because he’s super ball dominant. He gets a lil more rebounds because he sags off on defense and camps out to get non contested rebounds where as Kobe and Jordan are playing actual defense on the perimeter. He knows how to fill the stat sheet up but I wouldn’t say he’s more skilled at anything than Kobe or Jordan.
The only one ahead of LeBron is MJ himself. Wilt didn't win enough, Russel wasn't an MVP offensive player the way Lebron was, unfortunately magic and bird cannabalized each other in the goat case and kobe wasn't good for long enough after his achilles injury. The only one that is debateable is kareem but he had another top 5 player playing with him for most of his championships
@@danieldang3908 Even if Wilt didn't have as many championships, his stats are just so other worldly (especially in an era before 3s) that he needs to be in the GOAT conversation. Kareem also has otherworldly stats, and has been the long time leader in career win shares, and single season win shares along with Wilt.
I remember this livestream... I tuned in late that day... As soon as I saw the livestream (while y'all were still live) and there was Gil rambling and I cut out immediately... I couldn't last 10 seconds so props to you and the rest of the panel for having the tolerance of dealing with dude 💯... Next time, y'all should have my boy Uncommon Cents on y'all's livestream 😎
It was great to see you guys come 2gether again yesterday 👍🏼 no bias BS like them clowns in fake media. Just pure facts and everyone of you have Kobe over Lebron. That clearly shows how manufactured, Lebronze's so called legacy is by LESPN, FS1 and the list goes on.
U can play the "He's already dead" clip at 5:50 marker. Just needed to add that Kobe beat the teams that LeBronze lost to in the Finals in 2009 and 2010. Betcha Gil was trying to cut his Ethernet cord at that point lol
God damn was fun to listen the entire show live. Hope Gill gets some of his NBA friends and visits gain. And make it a reguolar, there is a market for this if the pannel calms down and acts a bit more respectfully there is good content from the FAN - Player perspectives.
I'm 49 and I have been saying this for years. Kobe is better than LBJ because he actually took the road less travelled and went on the HEROES JOURNEY. When Shaq left he didn't call T Mac or Vince to come play with him he wanted to beat the best players not join them, Old school players like Magic, Jordan, Bird etc...wanted to beat you not join you. I know LBJ STANS are gonna come in with the copy and paste stats about LBJ vs Kobe, but almost every player who played with or against Kobe gives him the head nod over LBJ, but strangely the media doesn't. That Court case in Colorado is why the media bashes Kobe I'll say it. It damaged his brand, but his greatness could not be denied, because if that would have happened to any other player they would have became journey men hopping from team to team and eventually forgotten about. Kobe is my favorite player, but MJ is THE GOAT Kobe is runner up and it doesn't matter to me after that who you put on the list.
You asked an NBA player my main argument before I found your channel and I can’t thank you enough. And that was Kobe’s 3 year gauntlet run against 50 win teams. Wish others on the call would’ve checked their egos because you were COOKING. Hopefully you get another opportunity to talk in depth with another player but congrats!
No it’s not. Especially when he’s running bs propaganda for Lebron. It’s not even an honest take. Totally pointless. All he’s doing is trying to stay relevant and keep his name in the conversation so he can make his podcast relevant.
Good for you for presenting the truth without being intimidated AT ALL by a celebrity/NBA star. Some people would act different once they are talking to a star but you did not let up and came with the facts!
OMGGGGGGGG!!!! YOU ARE THE BEST!!! THANK YOU TO ALL THE PARTICIPANTS DURING THIS LIVE STREAM BUT SPECIALLY TO YOU SIR, (SKAP ATTACK) foe those AMAZING QUESTIONS!!! HE COULDN’T RESPOND! He was playing around with some comments and arguments but at the end he HAD TO RECOGNIZE WHO IS THE GOAT AND WHO IS THE 2nd after MJ what is clearly KOBE!!! I loved when you said something like “to get yo MJ you need to kill first Kobe” or something like that hahaha THAT WAS EPIC! I loved the way that you never gave up and pursuit and insisted continuing asking him!!! THAT WAS OUTSTANDING!! OUTSTANDING FACTS THAT YOU BROUGHT TO HIM… FUNNY PART WAS SEEN HIM GOOGLE IT HAHAHAHAHA😂😂😂😂😂
Love you, my boy. You're keeping Kobe's legacy alive. You are more important to the world’s ecosystem than you realize, and you're making history. This will be more important to the masses 50 years from now ..and ima call it now , One day,the big networks will come calling.
LBJ Average’s more PPG, APG, RPG, SPG, and BPG than Kobe. He has 4 MVP’s to Kobe’s 1. He has 4 FMVP’s to Kobe’s 2. LBJ doesn’t surpass MJ. But he arguably passed Kobe.
@@2playschemeo.p.croutes724 there's nothing to argue. Bron surpassed Kobe years ago. You just have some delusional Kobe fans like Skap who think otherwise. Also, Bron never lost a 3-1 lead
@dimitrijekulak3347 lebron could have never filled kobes shoes, kobe played in an nba era where points per game were way lower, besides when games actually matter lebron is gone in the clutch, there is at least a docen of players with a higher ppg than lebalco and that dont mean they are better, empty ahh stats
@@user-ly1ml6ue9n the played in the same era. Kobe won in 2010 and LBJ was on the Finals in 2011. LBJ played in 07 finals and Kobe was in 08. Literally the same era
The problem with a panel with more than 3 or 4 people is the conversation gets derailed. Before you know it, someone derails the discussion & drags it into the weeds.
HEY JAY THIS IS PIERRE, IM FROM (MJFB) DART MODERATOR! I HAD TO WATCH THIS AGAIN AND YOU JUST DESTROYED GILBERT,HE COULDENT EVEN ANSWER OR RESPOND TO YOUR FACTUAL INFORMATION AND QUESTION ONCE! IM SO HAPPY YOU CAME ON! I WAS TELLING DART HE NEEDED TO GET YOU! BY THE WAS MY THREE FAVORATE PLAYERS OF ALL TIME ARE: DR.J ,STEPH CURRY AND (RELATIVE ) GUS WILLIAMS. BLESSINGS🙏
Then why does Lebron have more mvps, more finals mvps, more finals appearances, as well as passing Kobe in points on less shots with more assists? Kobe a dawg but I feel like people discredit Lebron.
You forgot that lebron has the most turnovers in playoff history and finals history. Even magic freaking johnson who has some of the greatest passing numbers of all time didn’t even come close to the number of turnovers lebron has. So that “more assist” factor is void. “More finals appearances” is also void because looking at the quality of teams lebron has had is far more important to note. Winning matters. Kobe won more with less than lebron. People dislike lebron because of what he does. He called himself the goat and wholeheartedly believed it. Mike never called himself the goat. Nor did kobe.
Kobe was the 2nd best player in LA during the 3peat, he shot LA out of the Finals in 04 due to his jealousy towards Shaq, he needed Phil's triangle offense to be successful. WITHOUT Phil, Kobe missed the playoffs in his prime while being regarded as the best player in the NBA. Phil returns, Kobe makes the playoffs but blows a 3-1 lead, only scored 3 points in the 2nd half and then demanded to be traded. Got a 7ft All Star who averaged a double double for Kwame Brown... Former NBA refereee, Tim Donaghy exposed the NBA in an interview where he stated he and other officials were told to give Kobe SPECIAL TREATMENT! Kobe went through the WEAKEST Western conference in 2009 and 2010. Got bailed out in game 7 of the 2010 NBA Finals where he shot 6-24 which is 25% Got swept in 2011 with a stacked 56 win Laker team with Pau, Bynum who was now an All Star, Odom who was 6th man of the year, greatest coach of all time, Phil Jackson etc etc. His off the court antics: called the cops on Shaq. Called Kyrie to tell him to leave LeBron. Got caught on camera throwing his teammates under the bus in practice and blaming them for LA's failures. LeBron > Kobe 💯
So why lefraud never won a ring with shaq if he was so good, besides the fact shaq just averaged 1 more point than kobe in the playoffs, kobe contributed with more assist making his overall contribution higher than shaq's but thats the only thing yall got to say
Bynum and gasol stacked ???? U must be fking delulu if you call that stacked, so what is cavs and miami, god squad lmao and even then lefraud got locked down by 5'11 jj barea and outscored by 6'2 jason terry LMFAO
@@user-ly1ml6ue9n Shaq was a shell of himself n not even a top 10 player in the league at the time. The fact u bring up old Shaq compared to the Shaq, Kobe had which was the reason he became a top 10 player all time, #1 player in the league, lead LA in points, rebounds n win shares during the 3peat, awarded all 3 Finals MVPs n a reg season MVP during that time proves that you're desperate! U can't debate with me!
@@user-ly1ml6ue9n are u referring to the same Mavs that swept Kobe? So wait, Kobe with the greatest coach of all time, with Pau, with Bynum who was now an All Star (two 7fters who averaged a double double) Odom who was the 6th man of the year isn't a stacked team?! 😆 🤣
If Lebron was that good then why he couldent win gold medel in 04 and 06? The top people from the USA basketball wanted Kobe to join the team becuase they know Lebron can't get the job done. In the gold medel game spain was winning the game until Kobe took over while locking down Rudy Fernández Kobe score 12pts in the 4thq to win the gold for USA while Lebron only score 4pts in the 4thq with two trunovers even coach K said Kobe save team USA
Maybe if Kobe had the Mamba Mentality he could have saved his daughter in that heli crash..Kobe wasn't a good father like my King Lebron GOAT James.I will continue to make comments like this till ppl stop uploading Lebron hate videos I can't stomach ppl who do this and I have a right to be disrespectful as long as people keep disrespecting Lebron James and Bronny James.
The collaborative effort evident in this video-from scripting to editing-is praiseworthy. It's a testament to the power of teamwork in creative endeavors
