*Freeze bomb drone hits on Specter and swapped out after second bomb hits* Reunion: you can't just retreat with chill status while deployed Doctah: yes
@@xanrenai7652 that NGA tierlist is stupid and has been stupid for about a year now. Most of the actually good Dokutahs that gave their opinion on it have moved on, so there's almost no one left doing it.
@@retrobot2549 it's not even just that, her stalling ability is straight up better on a single target than regular Spectre. At M3 her S2 needs 10 to cast instead of 5, and she blocks 2, not 3, but other than that the duration of her S2 is longer, the damage buffs are at least as good, if not better, and when the skill ends she swaps to her doll to slow for a whole 20 seconds. It's really good. People are slamming her for being garbage are just being emotional.
Yeah that's pretty much exactly what I was thinking. I don't get how you can call her garbage, she still has the longest immortal stall in the game and nobody else can do that. Now with added slow instead of a straight up stun (Tho she does have double downtime as a trade-off, but assuming it's the exact same single target you wanna stall, that's fine.) That 10 sp is a bit of a bummer tho I really like dropping specter on a moment's notice on anything that's a problem lol
Man it feels like Specter's doll is kinda weak, that S4-2 clear looked much cleaner in the Kazemaru showcase with her doll being capable of killing the butchers.
her biggest problem, is that you will probably only get to use her skill one time in a game: she dies too fast for her skill to recharge. And if you dont want that to happen you need a medic or someone to heal her, making sure she doesnt die before skill recharges, at which point you might as well use a guard instead. she is forever stuck between doll form and base form, a never ending cycle with no access to skill use
@@yulwu6758 We just had an event with ranged enemies, that with enough time can kill any guard and any tank. This Specter would've worked perfectly there.
Spectre alter is a really nice bait for damage while also doing damage to the enemies, and her guard version where she focused more on doing damage and holding lane's very well. So in the end both spectre are good.
What defines good? Mostima has great CC, combined damage and true AoE, perfect for stages such as H9-1 and PS-6, heavily carrying said stages. I wonder why most people do not use her and prefer Chalter instead. Magallan trivialises Contingency Contract back then with her absolute bind and slow. Her summons is pretty cheap and deployable everywhere too. Now she is less used, and Ling is preferred for whatever reason. Specter Alter is considered as Specter downgrade, and CN community rate her lower than Skadi (not alter), surprisingly. So at this point, what exactly define good?
@@yubiyubiw The problem with Mostima is her very high SP requirements for her good niche, even then her CC is considered weak, and her module doesn't do justice to her, Chalter has insane DPS, CC, debuff all in one pack with her only weak point being very pepega range on S3, but that doesn't affect her at all. Magallan is cheap yeah, her summons are too, she is great, but Ling just requires less thinking to use comparing to Magallan, and Ling's module cover her weakness which is very high summon costs, makes her even easier to use comparing to other summoners. Spec Alter's whole archetype is niche in the beginning, and she herself is not a downgrade from Guard Spec, she is just an alternative choice you can choose and even then she plays a different role from Guard Spec, if you can't find her uses rn then it's just not her time to shine yet.
Another thing, CN community often exaggerates a lot of stuff, their opinion isn't 100% absolute, just take everything with a grain of salt and some thinking
In my opinion, Spalter is weak because she excels at something no one needs. Magallan's fall is the same, her S1 is far from needed now. This goes along with several other units such as Ch'en and Mizuki. We rarely need one-off nuke skill and variety multi cc unit nowadays. In Spalter case, Specter wins over the alter exactly because of this. You can say that Spalter doesn't shine yet. You're right but you see, the game won't let her be, with such unneeded archetype. Regarding CN community reliability, as much as I want to agree, in the end, I think it this way - the one with Spalter is them, giving them 100% "rights" at judging her, the ones who have actually use Spalter. It's not me, not you, neither the rest of us here. Funnily, she has problem even if we ignore all this meta thing. I'll copypaste my older comment here.
IMO she is really good: think that with the s3 we have a specialist that hits hard as a guard. And this could come in handy in some cc stages where guards are restricted. Plus her slow and aoe arts add something to her. And her fsx are godly and satisfying. I can't wait to pull for her
She looks like a high dps single target guard, bait(kinda like Gravel but rather permanent) and slow supporter combined in one character. But her 5 star version is a death machine. I dunno.
I mean both Irene and Lumen got their showcase immediately and need to wait nearly 2 weeks for Ucky to showcase Spalter. Ofc there's something wrong with her kit...
they gonna kill me but idc make all her skill atk aoe!! let her doll phase regenerate sp!!! and let her doll phase deal true damage instead bc that amount arts damage suck!!!! FOR LAURENTINA!
Yeah, she's really... mediocre. Her kit is so disjointed, you can tell they were too attached to Guard Specter's skills but they just ended up throwing them across two different skills that are barely sidegrades.
@@psl6145 they try so hard to make her not overpowering her 5* form while having similar skill, ffs just outright make her overpower it. a simple aoe atk on all atk would make her worth jump quite a bit, no need for doll phase rework or other shits
imo regenerate sp gonna make her broken. i just wish they not making her sp reset to 0 each time she dies. at least let her continue to charge the sp from where it stops when she's back from doll phase.
@@diahhamidah2653 how's that broken? her 5* from only have 10 sec downtime which now can be negated, her sp still flowing. how? the only difference is that in her 6* ver s2 she would more immortality while NOT blocking or even slowing in meaningful sense. it's the same, both can regen sp at down time
Looking at this, and other vids not just by ucky, it definitely feels like Irene is the prize of the banner, meta-wise at least. Spalter isn't bad... but she's not amazing either, especially if you already have an E2 S2 m3 Base Specter already. Doubly so if she has high potential.
People seem to forget not every class in the game is Guardknights and should solo clear maps. People clearly haven't touched Bena before and don't really understand she's still a Specialist.
The problem with her is she felt more like a guard than an actual specialist dollkeeper. Not to mention her S2 is just a copy from her old version and S3 is another copy from Skadi S3 which have nothing special at all! I must admit this is a really poor design from developer 🙄 How can they do Specter so dirty like this. Hopefully they can redo her kit but that might not be possible :((
The only reason I might pull in her banner is to spark W (only if I manage to get the 300 pulls). Otherwise she is an easy skip honestly, I would not mind if I only get Irene potentials and off banners.
She isn't very strong compared to other 6 stars, from a meta perspective you could get the guard Specter and skip the banner if you don't care for Irene and save your pulls. That said Specter Alter has received some strong buffs from the module system making her an ok operator but since you are new player you will have to spend A LOT of resources to bring her to her full potential. Keep in mind however that this is a limited banner and getting her in the future will be a lot more difficult. For the anniversary 5-star permit guard Specter is one of the best choices alongside Lappland, Elysium,Warfarin,Ptilopsis or one of the single target snipers if you don't have any of high rarity already.
i feel like a thing that people forget about spalter besides the obvious advantages that she does have over regular specter is that she's a 16 dp cost specialist and as such can be used for high risk ccs with the no guards risk... that's cool. overall I'm just glad she isn't incredibly overpowered
Skalter: So Specter, I've heard you've become an alter now? Spalter: Yes. Skalter: So what makes you better than the original version of yourself? Spalter: Well, I attack less targets, have longer cooldowns, and do less overall damage? Skalter: That's... a downgrade. Spalter: Exactly. Hai Mao: Why did she become an alter before me? Mizuki: Or me?
Alter has immortality for 20 seconds, base Specter only for 15. Alter has a doll replacement, that can pretty much make her immortal if handled well, base Specter will usually die immediately after her skill and thats it. Alter has magic damage with her doll, while base Specter only has physical damage. I don't even know where you took "do less damage", when skill 2 also increases her attack speed, and skill 3 has gigantic aoe damage. When you need a character with immortality, Alter has SO MUCH more potential than base Specter. I honestly don't understand wtf all of you are talking about.
Doll can be killed if the ranged attack priority targets it. You're not supposed to place her at the end do you? She has low deployment cost for that. But removes all status effects when changing form. Spectre comes out if doll is stunned
Not at all, probably the weakest limited since Skalter, not terrible or anything but it's just so unnecessary to give her og specter skills and not really doing anything special with her archetype. IMO she is balanced, the problem is how uncreative she is
Damn I'm kinda sad cause they remove her Regen in her alter but I think it's better in that way cause if they not remove the Regen she will gonna be a meta in different ways
U know a operator so bad The Dalao takes time to raise them Extra : she really need a stage that can show her true purpose Extra 2 : Yes, i know Ucky show her with other Abyssal Hunter, but that mean she need her team to shine instead can do things by herself
What a disappointing operator. Why release not even a straight upgrade, but just a questionable sidegrade of a decent operator. Irene looks much more interesting on that banner despite her being sp on hit. I mean overall both fine, but still..
That's what Dollkeepers do they Substitute for another one to avoid dying unless the substitute dies that's when it gets killed Spalter here does retain some from her 5* version but she can't do AOE damage but she focuses more on DPS plus her S3 counts as dying after the skill duration that triggers her substitute then goes back again with full health
@@burushifudara that's an interesting take! in this case i wonder if she screws with the aggro system as well when she revives. Could possibly turn her into a sort of gravel-type without having to fast redeploy. Other than that, i can see her on maps witj anti-guard penalties
I really don't understand whats wrong with all these complaining people in the comments. Having 20 seconds of immortality + doll mode>>>>15 seconds of immortality and 10 seconds of stun (that usually ends up in her death) of the base Specter. How is this even an argument? As a person who actually played with base Specter a lot, Specter Alter looks way more appealing.
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