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The reason why You don't want to tell people what to eat even if there wasn't a regulation that prevented it. When these recruits go to basic . They have to make the right meal choices or they'll gain weight. Most people who diet don't stick to their weight loss, they rebound or even gain more weight. This way the military knows who to give up on.
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Fought my weight my whole life. Society and poor nutrition enables this but the Army does the opposite and helped me with the discipline necessary to push forward. Best decision of my life.
@@southcoastinventors6583 drugs are not the answer. Physical exercise and proper nutrition (tuned to the person) is. My blood type dictates high protein and fat over all carbs/starches.
Actually, no. This used to be done at the recruiting stations. When you swore in a soldier, they were ready. Passing apft and height and weight. But then the recruiters started criying, and they kept passing the ball until, they would send these clowns to their first unit without ever passing an apft and on profile.
@@tuloko16 These kids are where they are because their parents and other adults in their lives were selfish and failed them! This has nothing to do with recruiters and everything to do with parents not doing their fucking job raising them!
You can eat all that and never hit 20% fuckin body fat as a guy if you're constantly active though... Actually you can still somehow manage having not ENOUGH of an appetite. Trust me.
An older vet actually showing interest and support of not only the program but the trainees/privates is refreshing. A bunch of people would be clowning them, however, you are sending a supportive message. If they wanna join the military but need some help then I’m all for it. You can always work with effort.
the military is not an exercise camp and shouldnt be treated as such. this program should be implemented before their ship date so they can be ready for standard BCT on day 1.
@@garrettzkool63liability would be an issue, if the future soldiers get hurt while doing this as accidents can and unfortunately happen, who is going to pay for their medical? At least in boot camp it is a controlled environment
My son just graduated boot camp at Fort Moore. He had the opposite problem where he was too skinny. They put him on double rations, extra fortified protean bars and worked his ass past his known abilities. He put on 25 lbs. and has never been more confident. He is a 91-B but now also wants to do airborne and ranger schools. Way to go ARMY
A little background to this, anyone can go to Ranger School if command let's him. It's the Ranger Battalion's where you have to be an 11B to be an "actual" Ranger. Just remember the Ranger Tab is just a tab. The real fun is Battalion level.
Historically, it usually hinges on the military to both protect and even advance society. In America alone, the military was the pioneer of many technologies that spread to the rest of society, the internet for example started with the military; provided citizens a pathway into being in shape and having crucial benefits, and exposing sheltered people to a bigger world that usually expands their wisdom...usually of course. It's sad in hindsight, but also a good thing imo. Certain countries like Finland and South Korea have a net benefit from a conscription with having a respectful, well tempered and fit society. Now I'm not arguing for conscription here, just using it as an example to how a military can benefit the civilian population in many ways. I'm all for what the Army is doing here and hope it catches on.
Yea an unhealthy(fitness wise) upbringing can be hard to rewire, but it takes 6 months+ to form a new habit so if they are there long enough, along with the positive feed back mechanism of enjoying positive body and performance changes could be enough to kickstart them on the right path of sustained healthy living.
We are in a serious recruiting crisis for the US army. 25,000 recruits short for fiscal year 2022 and 15,000 recruits fiscal year 2021. Props to her for losing the weight and wanting to join. Keep up the good work brother
Or make specialist a career track for those just want to do their job for retention. You get those that master their job without the paperwork later on that some people rather not do.
My son graduated Army bootcamp a month ago . Don't know if it was just his company but everyone was in tremendous shape . Standing nice and tall broad shouldered guys .
We had nutrition classes at Basic Training. But they also offer burgers and hotdogs every day. But when your known for struggling with your weight people will tease you for eating like crap.
This is a great program. The emotion the goes into losing weight as someone who was a personal trainer and who seen a couple of his best friends struggle with weight, one a combat vet, this is something the army, America, and Americans should embrace. Parents, home habits, culture, and national leadership all need to be hels accountable for where we are with the youth of America right now. Health is wealth. GET AFTER IT!
The US actually is healthier than it has been in years. You still see a lot of fat people but those people don't believe in going to the gym. People would rather get liposuction
@@PaladinThizzCompletely false, America is in a health crisis ATM. People would rather just accept that they are fat and live with it rather than do something about it
Summer of 85 at Fort Benning for OSUT. A few in my company were allowed to eat salad and little more. They had additional physical training in the evening. By the time we graduated these young men had dropped a lot of weight and were probably extremely proud of themselves. That’s the way it was in the old army.
I'm about to join the navy myself and I'm doing the 3 month fat camp then basic. I'm blessed for this opportunity ive been lifting since 8th grade but always ate for 2. My walks turned into reps of jogging into reps of running and my cardio is no longer making my knees sore. In 5 months I'm going to be a freaking unit I'm calling it version 2.0 God bless
@@rumptump my best to you. It’s a life changing experience and few look back at basic training with regret. Most of us would love to do it again if we could.
My brother was Navy. Spent almost the entire time fighting weight regulations due to how it was being measured. Spent almost the entire 6 years he was in doing extra PT. He'd have never had that issue in the Army because of the different means of height:weight ratio used. And the fact he could run rings around most of the rest of the crew (former HS track runner and football player) just irritated him even more.
such a massive amount of respect for somebody actually wishing these kids well, and hoping they come out as better, stronger, more physically fit people. Many videos that cover this same topic do nothing but criticize the notion that this should even exist.
Yea for real! You want em to just stay fat and have noone join? Or people who want to better themselves and actually want to join but just need some guidance. A lot of families have very poor health habits and it rubs off on the youth and its very hard to break. Gatekeeping is not the solution.
My dad coached High School football for more than 40 years. In his last 8 years of coaching, he saw a huge decrease in the number of high school students not coming out to play sports. And that's ANY sport, not just football. Their mindset was that they thought the purpose of athletics was only for gifted athletes to pursue a career in professional sports. That mindset and poor diet are what's attributing to the weight problems in today's youth. Good to see that the Army is making an attempt to adjust to what society is giving them.
This problem goes way beyond sports.... self defense is only for cops and cagefighters, art is only for people who have been to art school,.. fixing your home is only for licensed contractors etc... we are a nation stuck in the mental and behavioural captivity of rule by licensed specialists and so called "experts"... many people won't even start on serious exercise regimens with out consulting with some doctor first! We are a nation of slave-like domesticated children who are told to sit still and ask for permission all the time.... and we get fat,mentally inert, and very depressed because of this bogus lifestyle.
@@gamingsqueaker3895 They are referring to the fact that the sentence was a double negative. If you decrease people not playing sports, that means you have an increase in people playing sports.
There’s a certain loud percentage of people who are former military that think anything that is different from the time they were in is a lowering of standards. I’ve also noticed a large percentage of those people were one and done contract wise and bitched and whined the entire time they were in and now whine about what they think it’s become since they left.....🤦♂️🙄
What people are complaining about is the army scraping the barrel for their recruits. And that is their problem because of their recruiting videos, a lot of people do not like the army anymore and would rather join another branch. People are upset that the army has changed so much where a potential great future army soldier decides against joining, so now the army is getting “crappy” recruits, so now they have to change their requirements and are allowing fatter and dumber people to join now. If the army focused on recruiting valuable good recruits they wouldn’t need a fat camp and a dumb camp.
@@10willybilly why is having a "dumb camp", "fat camp" something bad?. If the people decide to change and truly dedicate themself to the training/learning when why should they not be allowed to join?.
@@laylaphan7095 Did you NOT read my comment? Because the reason they need those camps is because their recruitment campaign SUCKS. The RIGHT ideal future militarily personal does NOT want to join anymore. So now the army needs to deal with what they got.
letting the trainees choose their meals is a huge plus. It shows them that eating right can get them to the position they want to be in. If the trainee decides to stray from what was discussed, a balanced diet, they will remain in the camp longer than necessary and reinforce those good eating habits. Just telling them what to do causes people to rebel and not want to take part of the healthy decision making.
@@1madmaxx80 no, they have a full hot and cold line to choose from. The tags show them what’s healthy vs not and a description under each tag as to why w/calorie count
well they aren't in basic. Thats kind of why they're there. A bit short on meeting physical/written test score requirement, but still wanna serve? Here's a program specifically for that.
My second day at MCRD San Diego, our Senior Drill Instructor marched us down to where the “Fat Farm” was located. He said, “Anybody that can’t make the 5 mile run will wind up here! You will die here!!” Well, that did it for me! Motivation is a wonderful thing!😆
It starts with free lunch for everyone. And then parking an ice cream truck outside the schools. After school, they grab a monster energy drink and a bag of hot cheetos and then go home in front of the screen. This will not end well.
Free lunch is important when there are kids who cannot get a square meal at home. Contrary to your bubble, there are many thousands of families in the USA that are too poor to adequately feed themselves. The issue is that school lunches are served by large corporate food companies that lobby school districts and provide abysmally low-quality food. It's literally the fault of the people you say will park an ice cream truck.
Tim Kennedy said on rogan a few years ago about how most young people couldn't past a tape test also they aren't getting enough grunts so not getting enough to get the cream of the crop for special forces.
This is a fantastic thing. Instead of lowering the requirements, this elevates the recruit to the standard. It also gets them used to taking orders, following rules/standards, and working in teams. It also helps the recruit feel the Army is more invested in them, which builds more of a connection between the recruits and the Army. When these kids are losing 25, 30, or 50 pounds, they are going to gain confidence because they look better, are healthier, and have accomplished something. This can help plant the seed in their mind that they can accomplish something when they put in the effort. Which makes them better soldiers, and can push them to do things they wouldn’t have done otherwise, like try for Rangers.
My army drill SGT made all the fat boys stop in front of him so he could remove anything that was bad for them. That was in 1980. The fat guys could take anything they wanted, but never had a chance to eat it 🙂 You also nailed it when you spoke of the lowest common dominator. We had a platoon of woman in basic and were not pushed while running with them. Afterwards though, our drill SGT's made us pay the price for that easy run.
Ft Hood - early 80's. In my tank battalion, if you were on the "Fat Boy" program you had your own special color (red) tray for the chow hall. Troop would come in, have his ID checked, and get the red tray if his name was on the list. Cooks were instructed on what could go on that red tray. Senior NCO's would spot check - "that better not be gravy on that tray!". Fat shaming for sure!
There is no struggle with weight. There is struggle with habits. There is nothing like complete control for 24/7 and no access to a corner store or take out food. Group support/comraderie. These people will be extra prepared for boot camp. It's a good idea
@@jenniferhiemstra5228 then they are doing something wrong. It's simple math, calories in < calories out. If someone says they are doing everything right and still doesn't progress, then they are lying to you and themselves.
@@travelinman70 Except it’s not as simple as that. Weight and the nutrition that supplements it is extremely unique to each person. Mass rarely equals good health or lack thereof. Any expert worth their salt says it too. Army also forgets about that thing muscle mass. One of the guys in my unit is one of the fittest people in it, constantly scores 500 or more on the ACFT but hasn’t passed H/W in ages because he always gets taped…because he’s a literal human rock of muscle. So unless you’ve listened to experts and/or have struggled with your own weight issues, please just listen rather than speak.
@@jenniferhiemstra5228 weight is about energy deficit or surplus 100%. Body composition is about what those calories are made of and how the deficit is obtained.
Those who're saying they have it easier than regular people going into basic, that's absolutely not true, consider this: Their boot camp is 3 months longer than yours if you were to go in normally - they literally have to be at boot camp longer than you.
"The wars of the future will not be fought on the battlefield or at sea. They will be fought in space, or possibly on top of a very tall mountain. In either case, most of the actual fighting will be done by small robots. And as you go forth today, remember always your duty is clear: To build and maintain those robots." -The Simpsons (when it was still good)
The problem is that the government heavily subsidizes grains, but not fruit and vegetables so a lot of people have no economical choice, but to eat food that makes you fat. Edit: at least part of it
High Fructose Corn Syrup. Don't forget the Milk lobby....Americans are just corporate profits until the government steps in and stops the cycle of abuse.
I’m actually 100% for this as well this is actually one of the Army’s best programs with the recruitment shortage and less and less people who are trying to get it this helps and it gets them to the Army standard
This goes all the way back to primary and secondary school. In my children’s elementary school, they do not want children running in recess because they don’t want them to get hurt. There is a dearth in physical fitness when kids are young. It’s awful.
Results of a loss of focus on fitness/nutrition in schools, no good examples at home/school, no positive encouragement for fitness at home/school... I'm happy to see the Army is making a move to correct the failures of our current society and teach these young men & women on how to better themselves both mentally and physically... not only for their future in the Army, but for their future beyond service.
It’s worth mentioning that there was a general who gave a TED Talk about how American obesity is a threat to national security. Stack on some alphabet recruitment commercials with that and you’ve got yourself a recipe for plummeting recruitment numbers. Well done!
They have always had this in the military. Lots of people have to drop weight before they can go in. Goggins was 300+ lbs and still became a Navy SEAL.
On top of an obesity problem, if anyone in or prior army in leadership has issues with this, directly correlates to the leadership issue we also have. Good leaders make good warriors. Good leaders, take the weakest links and make them the strongest. Good leaders leave no man behind. I’m more concerned with terrible leaders than fats kids trying to get healthy to serve!
It's rare that I'm actually pleased with how my tax dollars are being spent. This is one of those times. Well done, great idea! Throw all the $$$ in the treasury at this.
I've heard that the reason for the entry requirements for boot camp is that those who aren't meeting the requirements, and haven't had the level of physical activity kids used to have, are subject to a lot of injuries during basic training. Then paying for them through weeks of physical therapy to resume basic training. Better to get them into shape first.
In my bootcamp company, thirty years ago, was a decathlon & rock climber. They said he was an overweight fatbody. He was put on 1/2 portion food & 2X PT. He was amazing! Pull ups with either hand using only 3-4 fingers instead of palm grip. SUPERfast runner! But, leave it to military intelligence, he was an overweight fatbody
This came across ny RU-vid feed yesterday. Liked that they try to instill the motivation. Giving the potential recruits the option to pick foods on chow line - utilize what they're being taught. Embrac the knowledge from intruction - continue on to basic training, pick the garbage, go back to the streets. Hope there's classroom instruction on pro/con of food choices, in conjunction with the pt. Needs to be emphasized service wide across units to maintain it.
LT Colonol Hayes was my BC in basic training, guy used to run an 11 minute 2 mile. He had Colby Covington come out to our combatives tournament. Awesome guy.
It’s good that the Army is willing to take steps to improve people’s lives. About damn time. Say that there’s weak bodies going in…fine. But there is loyalty to the Army now, and something for these overweight, out of shape fat bodies to hold onto. Motivated Soldiers will be loyal without necessitating over-aggression and, even more important, they will actually take serious the things that even hardcore PT studs won’t: Army Values.
They’re not defending you, they’re defending the NATO/American military industrial complex. Make no mistake, they will raise a gun and place it against your head at the very moment the p3do-phile in chief tells them to.
This is the right move on the Army’s part. Just got a guy in our Squadron who went through this program. Squared away guy, good attitude, took OSUT seriously, better than a good chunk of the Boots we get. There are a lot of hidden gems out there that didn’t quite make it because they pushed the tape out a little too far- and until the other branches follow suit, Army is more than happy to bring them in.
This is a great way to advertise recruitment to young Americans. If these young people receive the mentoring that they didn't get at home, it's perfect for patriotic indoctrination for life.
Army just to build a pharmaceutical plant to supply ozempic to the troops that need self control in a bottle also has some success in helping with other addictions.
As someone who is going into the military in the next couple of months I've tried getting my friends to consider the military and one of the biggest issues that I've seen is the fact that there's better options out there with unemployment being so low and most jobs offering equal if not better pay/ benefits. The military has just not been as competitive as it needs to be
8:30 - Great but they need to learn to do it for themselves. They can't have someone over their shoulder 24/7 screaming at them whenever they make a bad choice about what they're going to eat. Letting them make the decision while giving them guidance seems to be working as evidenced by the kids earlier in the show talking about how much weight they'd lost, and ultimately they need to be making their own decisions later in their career.
Actually not forcing them to eat a certain type of food but advising & letting them choose IS a lifeskill by itself because after bootcamp etc, they gonna have to make their own choices. It is also a smart filtering method. Those who constantly choose to eat poorly, will fail right? Those who choose otherwise, they will continue that habit in the long run
One of the dudes in my basic in '06 had to get a waiver because of his weight. We were all reticent that he would actually succeed, but by week 10 there was no question that he was gonna make weight and we were all proud of him. He turned into a different person and ended up being one of the best guys....
So mentoring and teaching the recruits about good nutrition and then letting the recruits make food choices for themselves is a good way to monitor which recruits are actually learning and wanting to change.
Outstanding! Why to think out side the box, Army! Rather than just trying to get the recruits to “just get to boot camp” the Army has determined that physical fitness and nutrition is a life long skill set that a soldier will always need in his or her career and beyond. This Marine definitely approves!
No wonder the military is going to the dogs. The recruits are out of shape, they can't think logically for themselves, they are entitled brats, and they want to be paid to do nothing. Honestly! Jesus wept. The trainers probably can't do a ten mile hike with a full backpack either. So depressing.
Props to then for wanting to go in and training for it. Highly motivated. Glad they out of this program. Active army is pathetic at appointing nutrition and pt advisors when there are orders in the platoon who have dates that stuff😂
The problem is once these guys get to their units more often than not they relapse, it's a real problem that I'm not sure how to solve. Maybe it's poor leadership or the stressful units, but they seem to lose all motivation to stay fit
really, what is the statistically proven amount of relapse? How were you able to conduct such an indepth study? Please, do site your sources or stop with the petty gossip.
@@jimmyjackson2361yep, you can only lead a horse to water. Chief's academy has Physical and weight requirements, so at least their peers will motivate them, if they become senior enlisted. One can wear the anchors without graduating from Academy, but will seldom be included in leadership roles.
@Jamesons Travels Went through Navy separation because of Vision and saw a good handful of people also let go because of vision. Aside from that, most vision-impaired were your typical lean athletic builds. The military get who they decide to keep. So if they don't want to put out funding for slight Keratoconus correction, but they will for "other" stuff. You have part part of your answer. Ill also add they were also last minute recruiting for the more combat oriented roles right as our quarantine was up and p-days began. We could tell right away which recruits they were eyeballing in Division when the first question out of their mouth was "who thinks they're a leader." He did not choose the enthusiastic ones built like muffin men for lack of a polite term. He could pull some and not others depending on what role the recruit signed up to service for.
Well, it's been almost two years and the verdict is in. *This program works.* It's one of the best ideas the Army has ever had. Over 57k people graduated fat camp since it started in 2022, and they consistently end up being overrepresented in leadership positions in Boot Camp. It sounds crazy to say, but it seems to be producing _better soldiers._
What most young people lack, is patriotism. The world has changed from patriots and team players to self-centred beings. Once tradition, patriotism, care and comradery is instilled, the young, healthy and 'not rocks' will fight willingly for their country. A few years ago, people volunteered to fight for their country, now they need a monetary incentive.
Pretty obvious you never served! People don't want to join because they don't want to fight a war for corporate interests. And a lot of veterans realized this. We stopped being the good guys. And now we tell the youth to not join. The only point is acquiring skills that can be used in the civilian field. If you want to ask the youth to give their lives away to an unjust war, then you should join.
At least they are trying to be useful citizens, unlike the youth you show on your other channel. Good on them and good on the army for thinking outside the box.
