Asgore’s FATAL Mistake (Deltarune + Undertale Theory) 

What do you guys hope to see in Deltarune chapter 3?... whenever it may release?

Noelle casting snowgrave in the light world is a bit of a stretch but it is interesting how the whole "I don't know that spell" thing sounds like she's repressing memories instead of just being confused.

It's kind of sad how something ALWAYS happens to Asgore that he's forced to do something wrong for a right cause, and that ruins his relationship with his family

I personally don't think December Holiday is dead. I think she is trapped in the bunker. But I also *do* think that December's disappearance is why Asgore got fired.

This may just be me reading into it, but when Noelle says "The snow was, so thick I could not see anything." Noelle is not talking about Snowgrave. Noelle is reliving the tragedy that took the life of her sister. I mean the layers of suck have to be deeper than the player just bullying Noelle into killing Berdly in the Snowgrave route.

I believe it wasn't really Asgore's fault I think Dess went missing.Asgore tried to search for her,but he gave up,realizing she was really gone.Toriel and Noelle's mother got mad,but Rudie was understanding and still thinks highly of him.

Some things: The dogs said they wanted to rob the big house over the holidays (probably Noelles house, as it's gated off), but BEFORE they could do it they were attacked by "something merciless" that came from the shadows,and they ran straight into Undyne. Who probably wasn't just randomly waiting for them. The kids (Noelle, Kris, Dess, Asriel) often hang out around the forest. So what I think happened (and it's mostly speculation) : One day, around winter holidays, the kids were out late in the forrest. Suddenly a large snowstorm came up, dangerous enough that the police organized a search. It's dark. There's a snowstorm. Something "merciless" is roaming around the forest. And somewhere in there, a bunch of lost children. Whatever happened, only 3 were found. Maybe that "merciless" being took Dess (either alive or not) Or Dess somehow was that merciless being. All I'm sure is that something happened and Asgore knew that he failed and that Dess won't be found. Toriel might not know the full story of what Asgore has seen. Rudy doesn't hold any grudge towards Asgore and is still a good friend, so he's likely certain that Asgore did everything he could. The mayor likely holds big grudges towards Asgore too. To the public it seems the only thing known is that Dess wasn't found, and it caused Asgore to lose his position. The newspaper reads as if Asgore is still respected at large by the town. As for whether Dess is dead or not, to cite a book found in the librarby in Undertale: "One time this kid at my school went missing for a week and everyone thought he was dead... But then he came back!!! Turns out he was visiting [...]" So, it's impossible to be certain whether someone's dead when not even the dust can be found.

Actually, this makes a lot of sense. Why is Asgore off The Force? And why does Toriel hate Asgore? This would answer a lot.

I think the song lost girl is about dess not noelle. Like dess is actually missing or passed away (you could use the term lost girl in either meaning) and the asgore theory of him getting kicked off the police force due to him being Involved somehow with her disappearance, whether he intentionally or unintentionally caused her to not be found or not be saved from death, is super interesting to me. Great video!

there's a problem with this theory though- noelles room in queen mansion has calenders where every day is chirsmas- we know queen makes these rooms from misinterpreted search results. it seems like this calendar is queen misinterpreting noelle searching 'December holiday'. queen later mentions in her speech that noelles searches are 'strange and sad' and this seems to be her main motivator for trying to boost noelles confidence. noelle looking up her sisters name online, along with the town cemetery having no grave for dess, seems to imply that dess is not dead but missing. i would guess after asgore failed to find dess, the mayor blamed him for the searches failure and fired him, and toriel divorced asgore due to social pressure (the mayor is her neighbor after all). now the mayor is trying to evict asgore and kick him out of town. ominously, noelles room in the mansion also has drawers with searches that couldn't have been made into things. one of these being 'deer car hit'

I personally don't think Dess is dead, the way Noelle talks about her seems as if she's still around and missing. Plus there's unused dialogue in the game of a person yelling out in the darkness for someone to find them. My theory is that this is Dess yelling out from the dark

Asgore is doin the wrong things for the right reasons

I like asgore. He likes plants. Enough said. Hmmm, Kris having seen snowgrave before makes sense actually.

I thought Asgore hit Dess with his car, it would tie in with Noelle being scared to cross the street in the dark world and also explain Asgore's abandoned car, and would be less of a stretch than Noelle magic-ing up a snowstorm. Especially since Berdly explains the spelling bee, showing that when they were kids, Noelle lost bc the last word was "December", and the idea of a classmate teaching Noelle occult protection spells when the final word for their spelling bee was "December" seems a bit off

While occult is a thing in Deltarune (like it is a thing some practice in our world), I don't think that's enough evidence to claim Noelle could have casted snowgrave in the light world. But I like the theory. Noelle's love for the cold might just be a reindeer monster thing, since the mayor aparently always keeps her office's AC at full blast. However, Noelle DOES have this tendency to black out during traumatic experiences, so she would be the only one unaware of what happened to Dess.

I can't imagine Dess is dead. I think she would have a grave in the graveyard in that case. She could have run away, either because she butted heads with her mother or alternatively, her mother became overbearing after Dess disappeared. But I agree Asgore is very likely involved.

I just hope Dess is missing, that we can find her in future chapters. Asgore being blamed for her death or disappearance is sad, he's such a good guy.

I question why the SOUL knows about snowgrave, since that route is where Kris is less in control

That WOULD explain December's absence, Noelle's reluctance to use the spell and why ANY mention of December renders Noelle silent (and why her dad is bedridden and receives flowers from Asgore.)

You just made lore on someone's divorce, well played

Your theory made me think they perhaps Rudy was directly or indirectly responsible for an accident that caused Dess’s death, but knowing that the truth would destroy their family even more than just Dess dying, Asgore took the fall for his best friend. Rudy could have even been unaware of the situation and still could be, so while the mayor and toriel treat asgore poorly, Rudy is none the wiser, not quite sure what got him into the hospital originally or that he’s the real reason Dess is gone.

Another possibility is that Asgore took the blame for Dess' Death to protect Noelle

4:30 Kris stops reading because they dont want the player to know what hapoened, they still have some amount of control with the SOUL inside them, such as emotion (as we see after the NEO fight.)

alternatively, since magic is implied not to exist in the same way as undertale (see: stove in deltarune vs undertale), could be that they just were playing in the forest and a sudden blizzard came noelle made it home but december was still lost, or december shielded noelle from the cold as best she could until they were found with dess having sacrificed herself to protect her little sister asgore may have wanted to wait until the blizzard calmed down to send a search party, which would explain why they think he's a coward and blame him for her death or he only sent a search party after rudy went by himself to try and find her

Oh I thought this was going to the idea that Asgore cheated on Toriel with Ruddy. I don't know why.

Here’s my theory, building off what (may have) happened in the graveyard: We know that when Noelle was scared, Dess would warm her up with Asriel’s jacket. This means she would have no way to calm down otherwise. My theory is that Asriel wasn’t there on the night, nor was Kris. (It would explain why they both escaped, and why Kris seems to have no recollection of it.) So if Asriel wasn’t there, Dess would not have been able to calm Noelle before she used Snowgrave. I don’t know, it’s just my theory

Magic does not exist in the light world, Noelle mentions in the hospital on how she wished magic was real so that she could heal her dad. Although the scenario of Dess getting lost in a snowstorm with Noelle and Asgore calling of the rescue because it almost killed Rudy is very plausible. We also know the date of the incident which was December 25th since the calendar on her room has that day marked. Also, Kris wasn’t the one exploiting Noelle in the snowgrave route, it was us the player.

Sans is actually still the same guy, he transcends time and space

Tho everything points that monsters dont use magic. Toriel stove Noelle says it would be cool if there was magic in real life

Noelle using snowgrave when she is stressed actually makes sense because the energy (TP) needed to use snowgrave is called tension points

The only thing that makes me doubt this theory is there is no grave for dess, and youd figure the mayors daughter would have a grave. Maybe a specil burial down at the bunker?

I'd like to add that to not die in snow grave asgore would have to be warm, which he could use some low fire magic or something for so that checks out. It also ties in Rudy telling Noelle to use Fireshock against the ice dude in the video game. In that scene thing Noelle thinks that the ice attack would be plenty effective, with her (accidentally) using an ice move against and ice dude irl (does dess count as an ice dude???) and Rudy thinking that fire would be more effective

Kris doesn't order Noelle to use snowgrave. He can get knocked out and she still hears you, cause YOU order her to use it.

Toby: Shit, I gotta write this down.

I'm thinking, what if Snowgrave is some sort of repressed bloodline ability of the Holliday's, that only comes out in times of great duress. And what if instead of Noelle casting Snowgrave in the light world, it was Dess, meaning Dess went berserk, and as chief of police Asgore had to do something about it, and regardless of the way Dess went "missing", Toriel and Mayor Holliday thought that Asgore had made the wrong decision, but Rudy understood Asgore's plight. As for Noelle and Kris, they were traumatized by Dess's berserk rampage, causing Noelle to Repress some of her memories, and Kris to become depressed and withdrawn. Additionally, magic could still exist in Deltarune, but might either be forgotten or not as used as in Undertale.

My theory is really closed to yours, I will add that the events linked to the disappearance of Dess took place in a Dark World linked to the closed door near the graveyard (there is no magic in real life and Kris already had a SAVE in Chap1, also Kris is traumatized about the door). Therefore Dess is probably the person trapped in Darkness with the unused dialogues in chapter 1 and 2. Also it's interesting to point out the fact that there are a lot of things leading to the idea that Undertale took place in a Dark World (characters were maybe Darkners converted in Lightners, somehow like Suzie wants to do at the end of Chapter 2?) Also... Why nobody talks about the fact that Gerson was obviously a Lightner using his hammer to create Dark Worlds???

Oh man bring me them juicy Deltarune theories. I’d love to hear your thoughts on Spamton and the crystal bearers

As much as this makes a lot of sense, after chapter 1 if you visit the hospital and ask Rudy what he's in for, he'll tell you they "found some stuff". That would imply some sort of disease similar to cancer, and not as much pneumonia.

I think you've made a brilliant theory, really hit the needle on the head with Noelle's immunity to cold, allowing her to survive, but there's a couple of things that need to be addressed. We have no real conformation that possessing an affinity for something in the Dark World translates to overworld abilities, it simply just remains as nothing more than a parallel regarding that character (arguably like that of Deltarune and Undertale). It's highly unlikely that (as an example) Susie is able to cast UltimatHeal in the Light world, or even use Rude Buster. I get that what you said was merely speculation, but more conclusive proof is needed before we can at least headcanon it. The second issue is that during the Chapter 1 dialogue, if you talk to Rudy about why he's in the hospital, he claims that the doctors "found some junk, so it's just tests for now." Pneumonia doesn't fit that description, so he can't be in the hospital because for such a reason.

As much as this theory makes sense it just makes me so sad, Noelle is such a sweet girl that doesn’t deserve all the terrible things that have or can happen to her :(((

I initially thought that Dess was trapped in a dark world somewhere, but this theory is making me reconsider

Pretty big gaping hole there, the graveyard scene happened way back in the past and it either be unlikely for Rudolph to maintain such severe pneumonia for so long

While I can get on board with the idea that this whole incident happened recently, as Tori was shown in UT, she’s the kind of person to hold grudges. Now I understand an argument could be mad that at times she did believe in him, but Asgore kept confirming her doubts

Here's what I think: Noelle didn't cast anything. But Dess did die in a blizzard on December 25th.

More Deltarune/Undertale content! Loving it!

when catti said noelle was falling towards the darkness she immediately followed up saying “i’m talking about susie” lol. from what we know the light world is pretty grounded in reality, monsters aside because for all intents and purposes that’s just an aesthetic choice. also snowgrave is a very fast spell to cast, it doesn’t linger. berdly is frozen in a matter of seconds, if rudy and asgore went to find dess in the first after she was snowgrave’d they would’ve just found an ice crystal

Since ch3, 4 and 5 are all releasing at the same time we’ll have a lot more lore than now.

Dess is missing, her body was never found. Noelle keeps searching online for any news on her case, but apparently nothing comes up. I also can't see Toriel hating Asgore this much for not being able to find a lost child, that would be quite cruel on her part.

Good video! As you mentioned, it seems some aspects of the returning cast from Undertale exist in parallel in Deltarune. And in your theory, Toriel's self righteous hypocrisy and the refusal to take responsabilty also coherently return too. In Undertale, despite knowing Asgore did what he did because his subjects rested their hopes in his promise and as much as he hated having to do it, he could not turn back, she abandoned her subjects when they needed her most and only family she had left left,not even attempting to convince Asgore to do something else, never in god-knows long she stayed in the Ruins did anything significant to actually stop the humans from dying, instead when they inevitably had enough of playing house with her, if her interactions with Frisk are anything to go by, just sent them on their merry way without any guidance or even a phone call, wallowing in self-pity and when she finally did return, refused to take any responsability and suggested that moronic plan of harvesting the souls in the surface and destroying the barrier, a plan her very son said in rhe epilogue would have started another war. It is very telling Dreemurr, which we all know rearranged reads "Murderer", is the surname of the of family who all have killed people in morally dubious circumstances yet Toriel tells Frisk not to call her by her surname, representing her refusal to take any blame for killing the humans by her omission. Here it is even worse, as by your theory we can presume Asgore thought that if the storm was affecting Rudy this badly and he was under its effect for less time than Dess, then it would be reasonable to assume that she was already dead and that he would only be throwing the lives of his men and his own away for a girl who already had died. Toriel, once again refuses to communicate or listen, instead arrogantly attributing cowardice to him despite the fact it was Asgore and not her who had the balls to be out there,risking his life for Dess and took a decision not to risk those under him any further. And once again she tears her family appart because of her ego. We can see already its terrible effects in Kris,whom feels lonely and before the Dark World only had Asriel, who is away in college,and not even Noelle, as his friendship with her was strained. Everything I said about Deltarune Toriel applies to the mayor too

I’m glad you’re making theory of Zelda and deltarune/undertale three of my favorite games

11:27 But it is not Kris forcing Noelle to cast the spell, it is the player itself. At the end of the fight with Spamton NEO on the Snowgrave route, KRIS calls for all of the friends to help her... except for Noelle. When you click on Noelle, the dialogue doesn't say that Kris called Noelle, but: "You whispered Noelle's name." That obviously means YOU as the controller of Kris.

Maybe snowgrave is a bit more of like, a metaphor sort of to how Dess died, maybe Dess and Noelle were in a blizzard and Noelle was the only one of the two who survived. Dess tried to protect her from the cold but ultimately froze to death to save her, leading to Asgore finding them and only being able to recover Noelle while he was maybe blamed for the death of Dess, maybe even it being that Dess maybe was never found after or even covered up, thus putting her in a "snowgrave"

“It’s so sad that Dess is dead” “Who’s Dess” “Dess Nu-“

I'm betting Asriel killed Des and Asgore covered it up somehow or made it look like he did it as an accident.

Theory: If "Dece" (Noelle's mom/sister) is short for December, maybe that's would be the reason Noelle lost the spelling bee because the word was December. In the cutscene of the spelling bee she dropped at the floor and looked like she was crying which means something happened to "Dece" that scared Noelle.

"and sans is just sans." that BROKE me idk know why lmao

That theory at the end is an insane theory. Everything connects in the end, making it really believable.

maybe asgore wants to make amends kris' mother by constantly sending flowers as an apology and while looking for noelle, while getting lost in the storm decided that roodys life should take priority because of the severe namonia

I feel like the Snowgrave part of this theory is a bit of a stretch but everything else is spot on. The reason I say Snowgrave is a stretch is because of the fact that she can use healing magic in the Dark World, a supposedly well-known magic that can be learned quite easily in an hour or two as shown by Susie, but is not able to use such magic in the Light World. If she had magic that powerful in the Light World, she would have easily been able to at least partially heal her dad. And also, Kris wouldn't need to necessarily know about Snowgrave because here's the thing. It's established that *the player* is commanding these two, made clear when Kris is down during the fight to which Noelle says that they can "still hear their voice." Kris wouldn't need to know because us as the player, are the ones that are prompted the spell. By this logic, it also wouldn't make sense why Susie boasts about ACTing on her own if Kris was the one to tell them how to act in the first place with S/R-Action (hence "Why the hell do we need Kris to ACT?!"). Susie and Ralsei follow the player's commands as well, they just don't ever question it, it seems. My current explanation for Dess which a friend of mine suggested is that maybe there was a natural snowstorm, and Kris and Dess hid into the bunker. Kris felt a weird vibe and left, while Dess decided to stay safe inside the bunker...but when Kris came back to bring her, she was no longer there. Even then though, that's still relying on heavy speculation, so it's unclear what exactly happened to her.

I think Dess is just missing, I don’t think the idea about Noelle using SnowGrave on her out of stress makes sense based on some stuff ingame including a bit of dialogue (heavily suggesting she can’t use stuff like healing spells and stuff in the Light World and that’s why she likes the Dark World, seeming to wish she could use those spells, so maybe the occult stuff was just protection things (not offensive) and probably doesn’t even work) + Noelle talks about her as if she hopes she’s still alive since some stuff would seem weird if she’s dead and Noelle searched for her name online frequently. I do think it’s possible Asgore was fired due to Dess’s disappearance, though; maybe he was in charge of finding her or watching over the kids at the festival or something, and the Mayor fired him due to failing his job and being grieved over her daughter missing. If it’s the festival thing, Toriel could be mad because she felt something bad could’ve happened to Kris and Asriel too, only for their dad to not be paying attention, and maybe something almost did. I’m not sure Noelle staring into the freezer means too much either aside from her being lost in thought maybe feeling sad things trying to feel better or something; also since she’s a reindeer + her mother also keeps her office very cold according to one of the NPCs at the town hall. I’ve seen an idea that Dess and Kris tried to enter the bunker, and Dess got lost in there, as if it’s an experiment place or sort of Dark World or something. Kris is apparently scared of it, and seemed a bit scared before entering the school closet at first, so I think this makes sense, but of course…who knows for sure.

Unrelated - any idea who "C" is, that Asgore is renting from? 🤔

“And sans is just sans” you got that right lol

One small thing: Kris is implied to not be the one commanding Noelle. For example, Noelle describes Kris's voice in the snowgrave route as being different, and she says that she can still hear the voice commanding her if Kris is downed in the battle against Berdly. Kris wouldn't need to know of it for the player to give the command

I think it could also be something related with that door south of town. It almost definitely has some relation with Gaster considering if you speed up those sounds by 666%, you end up with mus_smile or whatever it’s called. Gaster was supposedly shattered across time and space, and if this is an area associated with Gaster, I think something similar could have happened with Dess. And I don’t think monsters can cast magic in the Light World because in Undertale, Toriel’s stove is clean because “she must use magic fire.” In Deltarune, it isn’t clean, so I don’t think that’s a possibility. Oh, and in Snowgrave, it is definitely the player abusing Noelle, not Kris. We know the two are separate, in the first “Kris rips out his souls and uhm???” you can control the soul in the box. Does that mean that Kris doesn’t know about Snowgrave? Idk. But I think it does lead to that. You get Snowgrave specifically with the Thorn Ring though, and you can only get that in the Dark World. Still a good theory though!

I feel like this makes no sense though... Wouldn't asgore tell anyone else about why he called the search off? Wouldn't toriel and rudy's wife understand that they'd all die? Why wouldn't he tell that? Also kris does nothing to noelle, that's the player, genuinenly very important distinction for the story

Ok but what if Asgore despite the mayor's warning taught Noelle magic so she could defend herself. December probably would be someone who would have been helping or at the very least watching Noelle change but one day she was attacked and as Asgore was running he saw December jump in to try to protect her sister while Noelle was casting magic killing December.

Hi, there's a high chance that no one will read this comment, but I'll do it anyway. In the aftermath of the Giga Queen battle, Berdly was about to create another Dark Fountain when Ralsei yelled at him to stop, warning them about The Roaring. In the cutscene, we can see 3 Dark Fountain's in the background, implying that only 3 Dark Fountain's are needed to create The Roaring, or at least start it. Now let's backtrack a little: Ralsei's kingdom has 1 Dark Fountain active at all times; The Knight creates 1 Dark Fountain each day (as far as we know). In the end of chapter 2, Kris created 1 Dark Fountain. And if you recalled the cutscene about The Roaring, you can clearly see a Dark Being with many eyes around him... The same eyes as we spot in the first bit of the Dark World, Ralsei's Kingdom to be exact...

As someone whose alternate universe portrayal of Noelle can use the ice abilities outside the dark world, I enjoy this theory

I swear each one of you undertale/deltarune theories has blown my mind. Keep up the good work 👍

It can't be a coincidence that Dress disappeared in the woods behind the church, i.e. where the mysterious bunker is located. I wonder how that will tie into everything, or if we might have some light world combat in a later chapter

0:41 Papa Asgore? Pfft, don’t you mean “Eggs Husband?”

I think you’re pretty close. I like this theory, it ties a lot of things together, and is very cohesive. But, there are a few things that somewhat disprove it: 1. Noelle’s search results in her mansion room: One of the objects created from the searches is a calendar with all days marked as December 26th. That day is also when “December holiday” starts. This implies that Noelle spent some time looking up the name of her sister on the internet. And I don’t think she would do that if Dess was just dead. However, if she had mysteriously gone missing, it would be more fitting. That would also mean there’s still hope to save her later in Deltarune, which opens up some possibilities. 2. Magic in Deltarune: It’s possible, and even implied that Deltarune monsters can’t use magic in the light world. Toriel’s stove is clean in Undertale because she uses fire magic, but un Deltarune it’s caked with batter. We also haven’t actually seen anyone use magic, and Catti talking about occult stuff could just be emo teen stuff. There’s plenty of people in the real world that think magic is real and think they’re witches or magicians, who’s to say it isn’t like this in the Deltarune world? 3. The voice in the code and the credits: Inside the game files, it’s possible to find lines of text, which appear to be a person trapped in a mysterious place, all alone and calling for help. They sound confused, desperate and hopeless, and I don’t think it could be Gaster or one of his followers. I think this may be Dess, who somehow became trapped in either the game’s code, or some strange kind of dark world. The credits song “Don’t forget” could be Dess trying to reach out to Kris and remind him of something or give him some sort of clue to save her. 4. The bunker and Kris: Kris clearly has some trauma related to the bunker, and it’s almost definitely crucial to the story, of the game. What if it has to do with Dess’ dissapearance that Kris witnessed? Of course, maybe it doesn’t. It could he important to the story in some other way. Either as a final dark world or a Gaster related secret. But it may also be connected to Dess. If the Dreemurs and Holidays explored the forest as kids, they very likely stumbled upon the bunker. I’m not trying to discredit your theory or call it bad, but I’m just giving you some more information that you may want to consider. I like your theory, and it’s definitely true in some capacity, I can’t wait to see where this plot thread goes in future chapters.

Anyone notice the double doors in Aagore's shop? There very well could be a dark world there eventually.

personally, i agree with most of this, except that dess is actually dead. also, despite catti talking about magic, magic clearly isnt often practiced in deltarune.

while the snowgrave-killing-dess theory sounds VERY cool,,, it unfortunately has a couple flaws it is confirmed that magic most likely does not exist in the light world, at least not in the same way as it does in the dark world noelle says that she wishes she could do magic in real life in order to heal her dad and as for the "how else could kris have known" thing, the thing is they really.. didnt? that was the player. kris couldnt have known that noelle can do that

This explains why Noel of all people had their whole alternate route! #givetammyatammyaceroute

Interesting theory though I fing that noelle casting snowgrave outside of the dark world to be highly unlikely. My theory is that Noelle, Kris and Dess were just hanging out somewhere but that Noelle maybe got into a fight with Dess and pushed her or kicked her or something of the sort causing her to lose balance, hit her head or get stabbed on a stick and die forcing Noelle and Kris into a panic and eventually making them get rid of the body, possibly throwing it away into the snow (explaining the repressed memories about snowgrave) and make up a false story about it, maybe going as far as to blame Asgore for it which results in him being fired. Noelle much later then explains to her father what really happened and is forgiven by him. If you have anything wrong with this theory please tell me because I can rhen fix it to match what you say.

Kris definitely knows something. And it has something to do with the bunker. I think she could be in there, or her body at least? There is a secret cutscene where monster kid and some other snow dude stand in front of the bunker door, and talk about how kris told them something about the bunker, which made monster kid scared, but the snow owl dude called kris a weenie, and susie scared them off for that. she then said "Kris, you ok?" Either due to the insult, or due to the bunker.

what happened to Dess could be why Chris shuffles around and seems to have trouble moving with out the soul

If the mayor is related to the family whose names are Christmas themed, and also starts with C, I'm going to make a huge prediction right now: Her name is Cayne

Loving the deltarune theorys

It is really convenient the internet is out when Asriel is gone. I suspect things around Dremurr (etc.) might also have to do with Asriels absense, which Toriel being Toriel would shield Kris from the real reason he is gone.

Awesome video man thanks for pumping out content!

I hate to be the one to poke holes in these theories, but there are some details you missed. You have a strong point, but there are some indications in Deltarune that Monsters don't have magic, such as how Toriel uses the stove instead of fire magic, or how the subject of Magic in the Lightener world isn't about casting actual spells for the large part, but about hat tricks and whatnot. As if magic is taboo, or it doesn't exist as we know it in Undertale. What's more, it's implied quite a bit that monsters can bleed in Deltarune, especially with the Thorn Ring. And their bodies don't turn to dust, unlike in Undertale. This is apparent with how Berdley dies in the Snowgrave route, which makes me believe that the use of Magic is what causes monsters to turn to dust. And may I point out that the game is making it quite clear that Kris is trying to keep you, the player, from doing certain things. You are not Kris in this adventure, you just control them. Listen to Spamton, and how he comments on how Kris is unable to break his own strings at the moment. He knows something.

Wow, incredble. This is by far your best theory of all time, everything makes perfect sense and there is no holes in it. Hope you make more Deltarune / Undertale content like this

Asgore's song: And it all crashes down And you break your crown And you point your finger, but there's no one around Just want one thing, just to play the king But the castle crumbled and you're left with just a name Where's your crown, King Nothing?

You've got such a big range of video topics, I love it

My first reaction to her having such a broken spell made me wish she could have joined the party back in Delta rune chapter 1

Asgore and Detective Jowd from (underrated masterpiece) Ghost Trick have similar appearences and backstories. Loving police dads that got invovled in a mysterious tragedy, causing them to be taken off the force. At least Asgore is a free(but broke) man. Jowd got prison time... Call me crazy, but I think we are DEFINITELY FAR from the first Soul to possess Kris. In fact, what if Asgore was possessed at one point!? Someone controlled him into breaking the law, and (accidentally?) getting someone killed! This could explain why Kris became obsessed with the Occult! And why Kris became the main target for possession, instead of someone strong like Toriel or Asgore!

11:23 but isn't it us, the player (or the "vessel") who tells Noelle to use Snowgrave?

at first, I was like "no way"; but now, this actually makes sense! keep connecting the pieces up! and I hope you make a lot more content like this!

Can you make a deltarune spamton theory? I would luv it. Also your AMAZING and I believe in all your theory’s.

I don't really believe Noelle can cast snow grave irl In the dark world she can only cast it with the thorn ring after all But The theory still can hold up Maybe what killed dess wasn't her own sister but just a blizzard We know kriss,azzy,Noelle and dess liked to go out to the forest to explore Maybe on December the gang had the idea to go explore the forest again, during their exploration a Havy snowfall started that made them lost their tracks, asgore noticing they haven't arrived yet and with the heavy snow he starts looking for them During that time something happened The group looses dess Ruddy knowing her kids are with azzy and kris's joins asgore in the search They look for a long time Enough for Rudy to start getting sick, but then they find the group Except for dess, ashore tells Rudy to go back into town with the kids since he is also worried about Rudy getting sicker He takes the desición to take everyone back to safety, at this point maybe he didn't noticed dess was not with them or he just decided to leave dess as a lost cause and save the remaining kids. When everything passed Her body was buried in snow She froze to death The snow became her grave Snow grave

I don’t know about Noelle casting Snowgrave in the Light World, but there was definitely something that happened between Asgore, and the Holidays that caused Noelle to be mentally traumatized, Toriel to divorce, and the guy I forgot the name of to be in the hospital.

9:32 Here’s Catti’s full dialogue: Kris.. you walk among the dark. Protect her… from Susie. I’m talking about Susie. Idk man, I think she might be talking about Susie

Fantastic video as always I love deltarune and theories about it I can’t wait for your next one😊🥰👍💯💕💞💖

What of in this time line Asgore broke the seal to the underworld with just the first child's soul. As it was stated possible in undertale to break the bearier under such condition. It would account for everything, the break up with asgore, before undying's relationship, and sans is still new to town. All in another timeline a what if, if you will.

Love that you are making Undertale/Deltarune vids

9:21 what if katty is just a gamer and tought her that in a game and she mentiones the darkness in the game she looks like the type of person who talks about things she love in most of her conversations , and considering her knowing kris from a long time means it's normal for ger to talk like that with him , and plus if December really dead why don't we see her grave in the graveyard ?

I’m literally shitting there’s no way that last theory is right but it’s so believable