Asmongold Reacts To "Is WoW Classic Casual Friendly?" - MadSeasonShow 

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Casual: You play for fun Hardcore: You play to escape shitty life and get immersed PepeHands

It all depends on your definition of "Casual", since there are 1.5 billion variations, the answer will be both yes and no. IMO, a casual is someone who schedules their game time around what's going on IRL. Versus someone who is hardcore who schedules RL around their game time. Example: Hardcore: I can't meet you guys for dinner tonight because I'm raiding. Casual: I can't raid with you guys tonight because I'm meeting some friends for dinner. Has nothing to do with skill level or hours played. Just dedication to the game. Classic is definitely casual friendly as you can easily take months at your own leisure to level and it shouldn't be difficult to find a guild that needs bench players who can log in to raid when they are missing people, meaning the casual can join the raid, show up when they have time, and join the raid if the guild is short that night.

I really like that classic has a slower pace compared to retail, because it makes you appreciate the content more than when you blow through it. A continuous frostbolt rotation bores me to death though. Wotlk had this at it's best balance imo.

Casual : How many in-game hours do you need to be hardcore? Hardcore : Yes

The feeling of progressing on a character is greater in classic and up to pre ICC WotLK. When you clear the raid you are done for the week. My best memories are from TBC and WotLK finding a group in Shattrath or Dalaran and the traveling to the dungeon and then completing a normal/heroic dungeon. Having heroic dungeons isn't an issue. But having different raid difficulties which are not worth doing since you get better gear from mythic dungeons, which you can run as many times you want is. Endless progression is what makes me feel I'm playing in an unoptimal way when I'm not playing on my main. Compare that to classic where you can "finish" gearing outside of raiding.

“We were all 9 years old and didn’t know what taxes were” , man as a finance student this hits home. Just finished my Taxation II midterm and long for the days I didn’t know what credit and deduction were, or that capital gains are taxed at 50%, or that you can car terminal losses forward to reduce taxes the next year

I would love a whole sound track built off the little intro melody!

As a casual, yeah. Just depends on what you're looking for.

I always wanted to play wow but when i tried it on retail server i was Just like wtf is even goin on And soon left. Now with classic wow i learned everything pretty quickly And im enjoying my leveling :) so for me without a question classic is more casual.

10 hours a week ? I spend 10 hours before I get up to eat food

12:25 rottyteeth said “brush me”. Strange but... ok. You’re welcome.

love the "ooh grats" when the guy leveled

Classic has no real treadmill, people are free to set their own pace. That's way more casual than retail. Retail is almost 100% treadmill, but i have come to realise that it's the reason i go back. I got very bored with classic and never hit cap, why bother? so i can do the raids once and tune out?

Something I really appreciate about classic is once you got an item for pre raid bis or bis, you got it. Bar fucking none. If Dal'Rend's Tribal Guardian drops from Rend Blackhand, you know you need it and there's only the rng of you getting it vs the other fury warrior/combat rogue vs the huntard. Now though, you'd need Dal'Rend's mythic Titanforged Corrupted Tribal Guardian of the Quickblade with a very specific Corruption enchant. Way too much RNG in retail. Same with professions as well - you got the mats for Devilsaur Gauntlets and you craft it or pay someone to do so, boom you're done pre raid bis in classic for gloves slot. In retail you'd need Devilsaur Gauntlets of the Feverflare that you then need to get to 2/4 stages upgraded. TL:DR, retail's system decreases the meaning of getting gear in general - in retail it's just increasing numbers on your gear so you can increase numbers on your damage. In classic gear has far more meaning imho. And that's just the gear issue, let alone class identity and the journey to max level being a slog rather than an experience in of itself.

Playing solo questing as a rogue is an exercise of patience and puzzle game. Sap this guy, so that you pull only that guy, do these mobs in this order so that you don't overpull, burst cooldowns on this elite, etc. Every quest has its way to be soloed, unless it's just elites that slap you way too hard, or you are too underleveled to even land a hit.

I am nowadays what you can call a "casual". I'm not even level 60 yet, but everytime i log on i have tons of fun on my dwarf priest. But i have not always been a casual, from vanilla until early cata i was too, a no life neckbeard like Asmongold (I wasn't as bald though).

28:30 *Nixxiom* has entered the chat...

I define myself as casual because I don't plow through all the content and climb hardcore to the top.

4:49 RookieTheBearded I'm coming after you

Honestly EQ was a great game. You only lost your gear if you didnt go get it back. Then later on they made it so you could just summon your body with items to you.

i think the casual vs hardcore argument has to do more with a combination between how seriously you take a game and how much you play. You can play a game for 20 hours a week and still be playing it casually, or you can play for maybe an hour or two a day but still have it be a hardcore experience (speedrunning for example).

Asheron's Call was definitely more difficult than WoW.

In short: "unless you play all the time" That is the hardcore part.

Star Wars Galaxies. I miss that game

Background music was too good for me to focus on what he was saying..

One thing I appreciate from Private servers is that raid finder usually doesn't work

Every time Asmongold takes swipes at Everquest he wounds my boomer heart.

I always defined casual as someone who just logs on to socialize, runs a quest or two, and logs out. Someone who is afraid to group, will not run raids, etc.

I’m a casual and I love it. Usually go in and complete a few quests, try and set myself up for the next one I want to do. Then log off. Unfortunately I only have an about an hour to play if I want to get at least 6 hours of sleep haha.

I wish i could watch this stuff live but am not always available during the livestream. Thanks to you amd other similar channels i'm able to stay current. Thank you for what you do, whoever you are! You deserve credit and respect!!

I’d say casual also depends on time frames. When I’m working I’m doing 12 hour days on a ship, so I’ve got 2-3 hours of time that’s not dedicated to sleeping or getting ready for work/showering etc. if I spend one of those hours a day on video games, that’s quite a lot. Course, when I’m home it’s a lot more than just the 1 hour

I can not believe how on point they both are about the urgency. The time gating makes it 100x worse. So you have to quickly go and do a thing, but then once you finally decide to do it you immediately get dis-incentivized by having to wait another day or another week for it to give you the same rewards. They're conditioning a religious sort of "Do this for this long and then stop for this long" pattern that ultimately makes me decide to detach myself from the game. I know I don't want to play the game the way it tells me to play it, so obviously I shouldn't be getting invested in it beyond what little I can find to have some immediate fun (which let me tell you, isn't much).

there is but a single reason why any other expansion from cata and lower is more casual friendly than anything after it. Classes became too complicated to play compared to before. Compare what a hunter has to do in classic to dps. Shoot aimed shot. refresh serpent sting. done. Now what does a hunter have to do in retail? 4-6 rotational abilities + Frenzy+ 4 cds to keep track of + 7 mechanics of the boss etc etc.

somethin abouut playing classic hardcore and watchin these videos just brings me back lmao

Hate urgency in retail

I don't know where I fit in because I play the game for fun and feel like a casual but I do mythic + stuff... Although I'm not much into PvP

10:50 That was the best take ever, its so true.

Depends on the dailies if its casual or not for me. If you can knock it out in an hour or less. Or if its basically solo-able. Then yeah, its a hand out then. Besides dailies are heavily associated with the whole mobile game kind of thing. Where if you log in, you get a bonus. Again, at least for me.

well some of us have a failed casual heroic guild and some us being the only lock in the raid unable to raid have only have LFR...

I agree on rotations, I was put straight by my mythic raiding friend. He told me I have been doing my frost mage rotation wrong the entire expansion xD

Fuck that battle toads/double dragon track goes hard

I don't know if I can answer the question, "is classic WoW casual friendly" because, I played in 2005 and leveled to 60 countless times on multiple private servers, so I know the game like the back of my hand. If I had never played vanilla/TBC/Wrath before, I would probably struggle on a lot of things, but seeing as it's 2019, I can essentially find any info I need with a quick Google search, so... I would have to say, yes, classic WoW is very much casual friendly.

Leveling in Classic is NOT harder if you team up. Its when you try to solo yellow quests that the challenges arise. But that can be more fun! Barely surviving a fight and killing the mob is a thrill, but sometimes just escaping is a rush. When the cost of failure is time and relatively small repair bills, why not challenge yourself while leveling. It will sharpen your skills for raiding and PvP.

I think casual play is that to not feel obligated to do things like in example of wow(daily quests and stuff like that ) in order to get some kind of satisfaction from it.

What i wanna see in retail again is armor sets with bonuses depending on how many pieces are equiped. But we all know that aint gonna happen

I got wow on cataclysm, but I never felt being part or in the game. Just pressing button, and not even knowing what these "dungeons" and "raids" were. I had one friend there, but thanks for buttons we never got to play together.

This video sums up about what i feel about retail. And if i missed 1 day I would freak out because Ive missed 1 whole day of time. And I quit the game.

This guy is speaking like hes locked in a basement and if he speaks to loudly his captors will come and beat him

I remember playing golden eye for n64, I could never find the thing i had to take a pictutre of im still stuck on that lvl 20 years later, Scientist part was easy that picture is impossible.

i mean..if you know what you want, then yes..you can be a casual and ask the right people to help you with stuff and get a lot done, just know your class and be nice and people will remember you and invite you to groups

Played Wow since vanilla and played Eq for around 4 years. Eq was superb yes it was graphically dated. But the guild community’s were unreal... they had to be, you couldn’t do anything without either a decent guild or a lot of friends playing. Both are great games.

6:00 - lmfao! Death and loss of experience was the penalty for death. Your death had consequences that had actual weight to your progress and enjoyment. It was something you learned to actively avoid. You planned, grouped, etc to prevent said death. It lead to a much better experience as actions you took had meaning.

I love that Asmon thinks buddy running from the Wortts in SWG is EQ......

2 hours is casual. It takes about 2 hours to link booty bay to Dustwallow marsh, so you can fly around kalimdor as alliance.

I'm a casual wow player. Picked it up when the quarantine started. I play ~2-5 hours and that seems casual. Anything less would give me no progress or fun out of it. But I'm not working now. Before the quarantine I could probably play 4 hours a week, which is why I didn't get it

My dad has made atleast 100 rogues and hunters over and over in the starting zone. The highest level character ive seen him have is 30, but he will delete and start over and make a new one almost every week or 2. Super casual

Classic is for sure casual friendly. I never made it passed lvl 40 until wotlk. I had too much fun doing everything else to level. I was also a solo player. I'd spend months in bgs once I reached lvl x8-x9

“Star Chicken”😂😂😂

Funny.. "If I die I lose experience" Has been standard for Diablo... but that's not the most fun way to play it. The most fun way is hardcore. 1-death game over. There are some things that help you though. The stash saves items you're not carrying to your account and you choose the level you wanna play at.

Apes are fing legends. They are a Vanilla Private server guild and they basically stomped all the "professional" guilds like Method into the ground.

Imagine if instead of just facerolling heroic dungeons and world quests at the beginning of BFA to get some gear, you actually had pre best in slot raid gear that was meaningful to obtain ;D

I don't think classic is casual friendly, this is because I have played until level 22 doing quests and I have seen a total of 4 players and all of them where level 60 and AFK. this sucks as you need to quest with other people for escort quests and other more difficult zones and doing it on my own is not fun or easy. I am on a server which is consistently high population and and I still don't see new players. It ruins the casual experience when there are no players and when you need more people do finish certain quest lines.

i remember playing the witcher III right after playing dark souls cuz I had decided to download both games, and noticed something was wrong when i killed a cockatrice 15 levels above me and i forgot i was playing witcher and not dark souls: I was using the potions and rolling around and make rotations with the crossbow and at the end I actually won easily only with a little patience PS: WOW is a D&D session where the DM tells you're passed out and trying to rest or being randomly saved just so you can continue the campaign and have fun

9:35 true , i do want to play the game constantly but its because its fun

2:41 - Casual gaming - a game i can relax with and escape reality; not to be sent into another world to do chores repeatable quests like with borderlands by example. before WoW i played Dark Ages of Camelot and before that Runescape.

Im not going to argue that classic is more complex than retail, but I think people like mad season are under-appreciating the amount of effort it takes to prepare for AQ and Naxx. Look at the anount of mats it takes to get your NR set for Huhu in AQ and the mats required to make your tier 3 set. This requires guilds pooling resources, leveling multiple alts to level 35 for tradeskill cooddowns, flasks, full raid consumes every week, etc...if you dont want to call it complex im fine with that, but I garuntee mamy, many guilds will dissolve in AQ and Naxx because they didnt take the necessary steps to prepare for the intense amount of gold and time it takes to have all of the necessary materials to complete these raids with consistency.

1:13 Is that Star Wars galaxies lol

Let's be honest. Games back in the day were more difficult because that's how games were monetized in arcades.

There are some thing that retail just does better. For example character creations , animation, and design definitely way better, and the fact that classes arnt one button wonders in raids is a plus to. But the journey of leveling, is not there, the world feels very small and empty compared to classic , and socializing outside of a guild is honestly at a low. On my first day in classic , i had WAaay more social interaction and adventure with random people , than I ever has in retail in about 4 years. It was populated and felt alive. And was rather challenging . I know mythics and some heroic dungeons and raids are challenging, but the world outside of it should be challenging too, especially since you won't be queing right out the gate anyway. I also have to agree that gearing in classic and retail have entirely different feels as well. Retail hands out gear like hotcakes while classic makes you earn via months of grinding or crafting . or both. You really work for it and it feels more satisfying to get it....or lose it to a hunter lol. Retail does raids really well and dungeons too however . with mechanics and such. Its more complex than shoot anything that attacks you. I do feel they do that better than classic honestly. The only downside is that once you are in dungeon or raid. No one bothers to talk to you..or even make a plan of some kind. Everyone has to much of. A stick up their ass to give you the time of day. A simple hi would be nice. Retail also has more of A story line then classic. Which to me can be a good and a bad thing . good because every one loves a story, and its. Good chance to follow lore more easily . the cinematics and cut scene are absolute eye candy. We feel do involved with The characters now. The bad news is, we feel involved with the characters now. It feels odd and somewhat patronizing to interact with the main cast as champions. Since technically EVERYONE is a champion, and if everyone is the champion..then no one is. In my opinion it was better that we were the unsung heroes. The ones in the background that saved the day without recognition, forging out own tale of adventures and glory, taking on this challenge not because someone expects that from us, but because we WANT to . To be in the center if it all. When ever one else is I'm the center just feeels....disengenious. Honestly that's part of the reason I sort of disliked artifact weapons in legion. I mean we are given an all powerful weapon and everyone knows about...but so does everyone else. That's not a legendary weapon.. Its a doller store item that was on sale for buy one get two free. It would have been nice to create your own weapon. Like the name and the flavor text. Hell the stats and abilites Can even be the same.

A casual isn’t the amount of time played a casual is anyone who has no qualms about stepping away from the game to do something else regardless of what their wow character is currently doing

I don’t feel rewarded in current wow when it comes to gear. I remember in legion , I was in the top mythic guild in server competing with 3-4 others horde and alliance. I was one of the best geared warrior and when walking around , you knew I was beast. But now you got people just doing my things + or rated pvp to get gear and the gear is just as good or better than Mythic. There is no reward. The only reward now does not come from gear, it comes from skill when you get your cuttings edge. But that’s about it.

Dude I didn’t even kno moonkins existed in vanilla I never saw one

That was Star Wars Galaxies

I mean, you can do retail at your own pace too. i think its better to "miss out" on ap rather than to feel like your entertainment is a chore. Isnt your work boring enough as it is? I know mine is..

There’s a balance Druid in my guild consistently pulling 15k dps with a 460+ iLvl...I wish he’d go to classic because he has no clue how to use his rotation

Everquest was hardcore for the hardcore. Blizzard just made a more user friendly version on Everquest.

the 26 mark grats was perfect

Is classic casual friendly? I play 10+ hours a day and have not gotten a single raid drop in a month of raiding. My casual friend plays less then two hours average daily and got 3 drops in MC on his very first time in there... Sounds pretty casual friendly to me.

So basically after 15 years the class skill/spell rotations have gotten as complex as Everquest? Innovative

WoW classic is easier than current wow, but the hardest thing imo in classic is resource management & gearing different characters at the same time.

The song is the main theme of gold shine inn in acupely

When you die in wow you loose durability which sucks as a warrior.

Remember playing Silkroad Online when death meant loss of 20% xp, everytime no matter the level

Oh yeah its tiring I done heroic raiding from DS onwards quitting on mythic Uldir going through all legion doing mythic raiding and I'm just tired from it

Everquest was awesome. You know nothing Asmongold. I still remember lvling up my Iksar Shadowknight Rakarsis. DOUBLE EXP PENALTY! ULTRA GRIND! When he died and I lost all my gear I went into a deep depression as If a close family member had died. I never got that experience with any other game lol. I never became attached to any ingame character as much as my precious Rakarsis. Thing is 99% of the time besides that one death Everquest was awesome because of the attachment you grew with your character and seeing them grow along with your friends.

I believe most players are stupid and shouldnt comment anymore! >_< Who told you that having more content to play with means you have to do it all?? This is just for people who RUSH/AIM to achieve something fast! Do you understand the correlation??? Nobody rushed me to do anything in Bfa and I was never left behind! Cause I dont aim for r1 pvp in the first week of the release of BFA nor do I want server 1st Azhara takedown! Do you see my point?? I only did the content I wanted and enjoyed. Yes, I wasnt at an optimum level early on, yes sometimes I also needed to do all Dailies and Weekly quests BUT I NEVER needed to do RAID, DAILIES,WEEKLIES, PVP, RBGS at the same time! Never nobody forced you to! Stop listening to people with different perspectives about how to play your game! You have all the tools to make this game SUIT YOU! cya

I'm currently trying to play catch up in WOW and trust me it is no way casual.

I stopped playing wow cause of the feeling of "I have to go home cause I have to do the dailies and shit to get at the same ilvl of the others guild members. The feeling of urgency like it said on the vídeo, I stopped having fun on the game, I was feeling that I had another job, and that is not right... Now, I dont play wow, it kinda makes me sad cause I like the game, but I dont like the feeling that it makes me. So, I dont play. I watch asmon vídeos 😂😂

Rpg's from the late 80's and early 90's were all pretty easy, but it was all about the grind. You had to travel the whole collecting gear and weapons used to defeat bosses. MMORPG's when they came around in the late 90s were very similar except they were even more grindy. You really needed to dedicate time to the game. To be honest wow and everquest were of equal difficulty. Most of both games were doable by the casual player if they put the time in. Today mmorpgs are slowly morphing back into rpgs as people go solo as opposed to grouping. We have come full circle.

Casual? Yh I believe it is casual friendly. Why? Because Classic gives you the feeling of the full game right away without forcing you to quickly go to max level. In Classic, leveling is THE experience while in retail, you only get it with the end game. Forcing ppl to play for hours without giving the feeling of a full game is not casual friendly.

To me 'casual' is indication of hours, not skill. A casual can be as good as Method raider, they just can't/don't put the hours in.

just like anything else casual... drink a 6 pack a day? casual. drink a 6 pack before lunch? hardcore

Either youre a pro or a casual. thats life

LFR gear should not resemle the proper raid gear at all. They should be blue items, and look like generic pieces of armor of the eagle

thought this was going to be a video about whether or not classic is casual friendly, not to compare how casual friendly it is compared to stuff

I played Everquest... briefly. How brief? My one and only character couldn't even walk a hundred steps out of the initial spawn point without getting attacked and killed by something. And it was just far enough into the woods that I would be unable to find my previous corpse and get my stuff back before getting killed AGAIN. So can't kill anything. Can't retain any loot or equipment even if I managed to kill something because the next thing WOULD kill me anyway. Why even bother to continue playing?

No its not casual friendly. I go to sea for 20 days a month and can only play for a few days a month maybe and im only lvl 29 and i still love it. Back in the day i would be lvl 60.

remove curses? some raids we dont even use their dps..

Lock has a better spell rotation Shadow Bolt Life Tap Shadow bolt Lifetap Shadow bolt out of health Wand wand wand