I'm glad to see you enjoyed the Jaguar, with the limited library you have. Lots of people dislike the console, but I feel it has some solid games when you know where to look. The ones you listed were solid for sure and some of the better ones on the system.
I bought one back in the day. they were hard to find at first. I ultimately got rid of mine, but looking back I wish I'd held on to it. Alien Vs Predator, Iron Soldier, and especially Tempest 2000 are must haves in my opinion. The music and trippy visuals in Tempest 2000 were really incredible. I would play that game for hours on end, with the lights out and I had my tv sound output through my stereo system. Awesome stuff. I miss playing that game. And I liked the controllers too. I kept hoping Atari would make a version of Star Raiders for the system. that goofy keypad would have been great for a game like that.
I've had my Jaguar since it was new. I had to have it for AvP and still love to go back to it. I also have the Jag CD and the other games you played and more. Please check out the Jag version of Wolfenstein 3D.
Raiden was the first game I played on my Jaguar and sparked my love of the series. If you're curious about other versions of Raiden, play the Raiden Project for PS1. It is the definitive version with both Raiden 1 and 2, and you also have the option to select remixed versions of the OST.
I have a feeling the Jaguar would have been able to handle Neo Geo games just fine. Could you imagine if the system could have been a cheaper alternative for playing Neo Geo?
I picked up a Jaguar on the cheap a few years ago and its not THAT bad. Alien vs Predator is a great game for the time and Raiden looks like a really fun shooter.
I was lucky enough to buy mine when it was in the clearance bin. Your review of the system and games were spot on. I highly recommend Wolfenstein 3d and Brutal Sports Football.
I recently bought an S-Video cable for my Jaguar. NBA Jam TE looks wicked good with it. Some guy on eBay from the UK sells them. I think it was under $20 plus S/H. Totally worth it IMO.
Defender 2000, Missile Command 3d, Wolfenstein and Doom were great on the Jaguar for the time. Temptest 2000. Theme Park, Battle Sphere. Check out the indy games as well. Brutal Sports Football, you have to get that!
We always pronounced the 'u' whenever any of my buddies talked about it: 'Jag-u-ar'. Of course we were just wrong, having only ever seen it written down. It was always a bit of a mythical beast (no pun intended) because no one I knew owned one! It was just legendary! Aesthetically the thing looked a bit like a jetpack turned on its side, and generally speaking it almost doesn't look to dated. Like you mentioned, those cost cutting measures to the hardware are just shocking! Great vid, man!
When I started picking up Jaguar games a few years ago I was able to pick up all my childhood games, except for one game Rayman. Wolfenstein 3D, Alien VS Predator, Theme Park, and Doom were the best of the games when I was growing up, and still are my most liked for the console
Love my jaguar. Had one new in 1998 and I remember picking up a jagcd system at Walmart in 1999 for $50 new. Currently I have about 20+ games. My favorites that I own are: Avp Doom. (awesome but no I game music) Wolfenstein 3d is awesome Iron soldier 1 & 2 (2 is a repro) Etsy for $35 Tempest 2k. Awesome game Rayman Battlesphere gold (repo from Etsy $36) Defender 2k Atari karts. Repro Kasumi ninja. Meh Raiden. Excellent game Checkered flag. Controls way too sensitive Cybermorph
I've always had a soft spot for the Jaguar. It's by no means a terrible system, as some people like to make out, and it has some quality titles. The 'Multimedia' thing doesn't refer to the number of different media you could play on the Jaguar - back in the early-mid 90s, Multimedia was a computer buzzword. It usually referred to CD ROM software that would mix up different media. For example, a CD-ROM encyclopaedia could be "multimedia", as they could include text, music, video, and photographs - multiple forms of media. A "multimedia device" would be a machine which would hook up to your TV and enable to play back of this software (rather than have to deal with the complexity of a computer). So, systems like the Commodore Amiga CDTV and the Phillips CDi (another underrated system) were primarily marketed as "multimedia" devices, even though they were perfectly capable of playing games. Presumably, Atari were cognisant of the impending CD-ROMadd-on they were intending to release, which could be used to make the Jaguar akin to a more traditional "multimedia" device. The open circuit connector concept is familiar to the good old ZX Spectrum, from Sinclair Research, here in the UK. The Spectrum was a cheap, but phenomenally popular home computer, and it used the open edge connector concept for expansions. Flare Technologies (who designed the Jaguar) had previously all worked for Sinclair Research on computers like the ZX Spectrum, and it was a useful cost saving measure for that system. Doubtless, Flare felt the same thing with the Jaguar. You can get professionally made RGB to Scart Jaguar video cables from Retro Computer Shack on eBay. They're well worth it, and make the Jaguar's picture quality really shine. You'll need some sort of Scart converter if you're living outside Europe though. The Jaguar's library of games is surprisingly good. There's a lot of ports from the Commodore Amiga and Sega Mega Drive, but that's not surprising, as they were both based on the Motorola 68000 cpu, which was also found n the Jaguar and could be assigned as the CPU (I think the Jaguar's complicated architecture was a turn-off for many developers). And while they may be ports of existing 16bit titles, they do look nice on the Jaguar. Games like Alien vs Predator, Doom and Castle Wolfenstein show what could be done.
I honestly wish that they would have tried a little harder with Pitfall over the 16bit version. That could have been something special since Pitfall was so essential to the 2600 library you know?
I'm glad to hear you enjoyed the Atari Jaguar. You did get a fine selection of games to review. I would also recommend Tempest 2000. It's a very addicting game with a great soundtrack. Atari Karts is a decent alternative to Super Mario Kart. Doom and Wolfenstein 3-D play well on the system due to the Jaguar's number pad allowing for quick switching of weapons, but there's no music in Doom (it's often called "Silent Doom").
I also only have a few Jaguar games. But that version of Raiden is one of my favorite shooters of all time. It's really basic, but I just love it. And it's one of the only shoot em ups I can beat without cheats haha.
got one in early 99 for $120 with a Jag CD, Atari Karts, and some other games far less valuable games cib. Thought I payed to much for what I got. Now finding a Jag cd that works is rare and people charge 100 for the box, barely even used mine in 18 years, but it still works. It really is a unique system and all the bad things are true, but it has charm. I love seeing them at conventions.
You did a sega Saturn review, that was awesome. Your jaguar review did justice as well. Total underdog the Jaguar. Wolfenstein and DOOM are a must have. I'm now going to have to watch more of your videos. Good job dude.
I had a Jag back in the day. I liked the controller too, but it kinda wore on your thumb a bit if you played the few fighters on the console for any length of time. Kasumi Ninja was cheesy as all hell, but I found it entertaining. I was also quite fond of the ports of Wolfenstein 3d and Doom as well.
I too recently got a Jaguar. It was one of three systems I always wanted back in the 90s but never got (3DO and TG16 are the other two, though I did get a 3DO some years back, still need the TG16). Only have two games right now on the system, Ultra Vortek and Wolfenstein 3D. UV is a Mortal Kombat clone and it's quite fun if you're a fan of those types of fighters. Nowhere near the same league as MK, SF or other top fighters but as a clone, I have fun with it. Wolf3d is a great port. Its similar to the 3DO version. Hoping to get Tempest 2000 one of these days as well as checking out the Doom port (I'm always curious at how some games port over to different consoles).
Multimedia was a buzzword used in the early nineties for anything on CD-ROM. Marketing folks used it like the "bits" and "Information Superhighway".... I remember we had the end of year speech night (where parents came to see all the stuff their kids did all year, and listen to black robed teachers rabbit on about how great the school was to justify the cost), and the principal announced the school would be leading in computer education in the coming year as they purchased multi-media technology. That basically meant they purchased a CDROM drive with the Australian census CD. Everyone gave it a huge round of applause. One CD-ROM drive for 1500 kids, which not surprisingly went mostly unused.... So I assume since the jaguar was meant to originally ship with CD-ROM as standard, that the branding was reflecting that... I want a Jaguar now.... bugger there goes the budget...
I personally love the jaguar system I still have my original version from 93 and still love the rarity of the system as well I never had the chance to get the CD but the console I still have and still play regularly and still love that it was the first 64 bit console followed by the N64
I suggest you try Tempest 2000. I've only played the Saturn version (but it originated on the Jaguar). It keeps the pace of the arcade version, and adds a bunch of new enemies and power ups. Lots of fun...
Jag supports S-Video and Scart as well, so if you have the means to utilize them, definitely do so. But anyway, you forgot to explain what was up with the thing in the back middle of the system, is it some type of connector to use cables like the AV or Svideo or etc, since it only has RF out? Or is the RF Out just meaning that is just what it was bundled with? As far as the controller, it is a pretty good controller. I think the lack of shoulder buttons was bad and the 12 button thing as just plain weird, but the shape, D-pad, and main buttons all feel solid. If you're looking to see what games are worth picking up on the Jaguar, a good channel to check out is Brian Thomas Barnhart, he has some of the best Jaguar and other atari videos and doesn't have nearly the subs he should.
Nice video. The controller is really comfortable and highly underrated. If you want to upgrade from composite, there are also third party S-video and SCART cables that are relatively inexpensive. You picked up some great first games; Raiden, Iron Soldier and AVP are all awesome. About half of the library is above average to very good with a handful of standouts.
Actually it's "Super Burnout" not "Super Hang On GP", though the mistake is understood. Some other Jaguar games worth getting: Cannon Fodder, Ruiner Pinball, SkyHammer, Hyper Force, Towers 2: Plight Of The Stargazer, Brutal Sports Football, Protector: Special Edition, Ultra Vortek, Tempest 2000, and Syndicate (which is a very faithful port of the PC game) if you don't have the downloaded version from Good Old Games. Wolfenstein 3D has the same exact levels as the Super Nintendo port, but is uncensored.
People have put the Jag controller down for a long time, but I have used my Jag controllers since 93 and I have always found them, the original and Pro version, to be very comfortable and I don't think it looks that bad either though I am in the minority for sure. When coupled with the look of the system, I think they match very well. Does look a little better with an overlay on it in my opinion though.
Nice singing voice! I would like to hear you do it more often! I know exactly what you mean about visiting consoles that you wanted as a kid but didn't have. I didn't know anyone who had any Sega or TurboGrafx consoles growing up so when I got older I got into them.
Yeah that's another console you should do one on. I remember when it was released but I really don't know much about it other than there weren't many games on it bc it didn't last long. The Neo Geo is one that I really would like to get into collecting but it's just so expensive!
Top 3 Shawn Long quotes: 1. You ever thought that you had too many games? 'Course you haven't! 'Cause you're not a bitch. 2. The bits are the shits 3. You used to call me on my Jaguarrrrrrrrr
Funny the Jaguar is more popular now that it has been and there are lots of home brews for it as well. This may be due to the RETRO VGS debacle. I am not a fan of the controllers but lots of decent stuff in there. Glad you got to experience it.
I had one. I got it from a friend. Some one dumped one at my buddy's house. No one knew who's it was. I left my 2 Atari 2600's there (6 button, and a Jr) plus 50 games or so. Someone took all my Atari stuff. We were all so close...it's weird no one knew who took the 2600 stuff or who left the jag. So he felt bad and I got the Jaguar. Had 7 games. Zool, Theme Park Maker, and I forget what else. The power adapter then got busted. being 2004. I didn't know where to get one...didn't do online buying at all back then. I just threw it out. Man, was I dumb. HAHA the drake rip off was funny
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i have a question is the jaguar graphite grayish black or dark gray?? the question is killing me :v
It wasn't a marketing gimmick per say I have studied the Jaguar hardware and I did do a video on this, the Jaguar does have some graphical processors that are 64 bit and they work along with the 32 bit processors and all the game data gets sent through a 64 but bus pass way so it is complicated but there is evidence to suggest it is 64 bit! I got my Jaguar a couple years ago after I saw the AVGN episodes and I really like the system! I have the Jaguar CD but only a couple of the games but I do have a pretty decent Jaguar library including Alien VS Predator, Doom, Wolfenstein and even Rayman and Atari Karts! I have the Pro Controller and it does feel comfortable though I with the shoulder buttons felt abet better but minor complaint! I think had the Jaguar been able to get more talented 3rd party developers we could have scene what the Jaguar can really do and who knows maybe one day we will!
Alien Vs Predator should've been the pack in game, THIS alone would've installed a big enough user base to attract 3rd party developers who could've really worked toward nailing down the Jag's hardware architecture to develop new, more, and better games..., that would've in-turn sold even more consoles, motivated Atari to not kill it so soon, thus the Jaguar would've been saved..., The Jaguar was in fact a beast of a console that was unfortunately never tamed by developers..sad.
Your probably already aware but Tempest 2000 is great, and the Jaguar version of Rayman has excellent visuals and was pretty cool. I havent played them in a few years but along with AvP those were some of my favs.
Pleasantly surprised that you liked it enough. I actually have never heard of Iron Soldier, which is a shame, because you make it sound like it's probably the best game in the systems library. I loved Cybermorph and Tempest 2000, but even with my rose-tinted nostalgia goggles on over 9,000, that game looks even more fun than either of the latter two.
The Jaguar had a few good games including Tempest 2000 and AvP. The Jaguar was actually a dual 16-bit console with a 64-bit bus width. basically a pumped up 16-bit console.
wrong the two main cpu's are 32-bit risc each please get facts before talking in fact they were the exact same cpu's used in that generations imacs they were ibm powerpc chips
That's because actual 64 bit calculations are generally a waste of time for games. Even modern PC games 9 times out of 10 use 32 or even 16 bit data. XD The n64 WAS a 64 bit system all the way through though. 64 bit CPU, 64 bit logic in the graphics chip. 64 bit main bus. (however a 16 bit bus for the cartridge slot. - 9 bit Memory bus. But RAMBUS memory was pretty weird, so eh...) Just because people don't use it, doesn't mean it's not a 64 bit system. Modern PC coders don't use 64 bit logic much either. Doesn't mean a modern PC isn't a 64 bit system. That's a very different issue, and claiming lying about the hardware vs developers not using the features is equivalent is quite disingenuous.
When it first launched I saw it and my jaw dropped...it was potentially a nuke in a rock fight...but the developers could never catch up with the hardware the hardware itself was not designer friendly and it tanked...but it could have in it's ambition and scope changed the game
needed more hotline bling and less T-shirt.. this system is not for me, but its good to see you can get enjoyment out of it... I remember seeing the controller in magazines and just being like, wtf?
It does look nice now, when I was younger though I just associated it all those older controllers that looked confusing. Its just too busy, knowing now that not all of them are used. I guess I would give it a go given the chance.
Awesome review Shawn! I was super stoked when the Jaguar came out and I too never got one as a kid, lol. This is hands down one of the best reviews on the Jaguar, well done :-) One game I would highly recommend is Tempest 2000; it's always my go-to game when I hook mine up.
Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, and AvP are the only games I would want on this system. It would be cool to have but space is limited and I just don't think I could justify owning this for 3 games.
yes Wolfenstein and expecially Doom are great first person shooters on this system... the CD attachment is good too especially considering the home brews made for it.
Doom on the Jaguar was pretty great. i couldn't afford alien vs predator so i snapped up Doom when i picked up the console. It doesn't have in-game music but it runs really well. One of the best versions on home consoles of that era
Doom and W3D are great on the Jag and you should thoroughly enjoy them if you get them. If you ever happen to pick up a JagCD unit, Iron Soldier 2 is phenomenal in my opinion but the unit and that game will cost you an arm and a leg and more! Telegames did produce some limited edition cart versions of IS2 so you wouldn't need the JagCD, but those seem to be pretty rare nowadays.
The Jaguar was great in my opinion that had several awesome titles. Iron Soldier, Defender 2000, the original Rayman, Tetris World, Ultra Vortek, Aliens Vs. Predator, Cybermorph, its own version of Pitfall The Mayan Adventure. Not to mention I also had the CD attachment but only 2 games for that Primal Rage and Dragon's Lair. Yeah those were ports of games that you could get on other consoles but I felt like I had to justify the purchase of buying a peripheral that eventually only had 11 games in it's life cycle. Still had fun with both systems though for what I could get out of them.
+RGT 85 Well.. hah... uh... It might not have been good per se... for me it was the only port of the game I had ever played outside of the arcade version, which I loved. So being on a brand new "64 BIT" cd platform that I had just acquired at the time that didn't have (and never got) many games to play I was prompted to buy that version. It might just be a nostalgic thing.
Good vid! Your editing could be lots smoother; transitions would be nice for example. I do like the music a lot👍🏻 But the content is really interesting thanks!
Had a Jag when it came out. Loved Iron Soldier, Tempest 2K, A v. P, Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, and the awesome port of Flashback. Great system, poor marketing, typical Tramiel handling of something good.
The jag is a very powerful system. But the programmers did not utilize the system to it's full potential. But the game super burnout is the only game to make use of the 32 bit chip. Running at 60fps
While i would tend to agree that Jaguar doesn't really welcome programmers all that much, it's probably neither here nor there. Dreamcast was a literal dream for developers, but nobody gave a fuck. In turn, Jaguar fans and proponents often say that it's still easier to deal with than Playstation 2... and they wouldn't necessarily be wrong. Well except for that huge performance headroom that Playstation 2 has for the basic tasks, while Jaguar doesn't. But really they are right: nobody in their right mind will put down their money to develop for a gaming system whose installed base is low, whose future is unclear, which comes from a basically failing company. In turn, to overcome the development issues on a difficult system, be it a Jaguar or PS2 or Saturn, all it takes is one or two crazy good engineers to do the complex parts and guide the overall structure of the project, so it's not that much of an impediment, it's not terribly expensive. If you can fire 4 mediocre developers, you can afford 2 wizards, pays off easily.
I think people overstate how difficult a console is to program for as a reason for it's demise sometimes. The Saturn had an entirely different life in Japan where it briefly outsold the PlayStation and it has a lot of high quality exclusive games that the West never saw another example is the PS3 once Sony was able to right the ship it got a ton of really great games despite being a pain to program for. But being difficult to program for can be a huge hindrance which will hurt a console as we saw with the N64 and Gamecube.
Most 3rd Party Devs just pooped out ports that ran on the M68000 in the Jaguar like the Genesis, it was never meant for this which is why some games looked poor.
YOU CANNOT USE A GENESIS MODEL 2 POWER SUPPLY ON A JAGUAR!! It uses a positive tip instead of a negative tip, and plugging it in blows a capacitor and two chips in the system.
I had Jaguar back then in 1993-94, and it was kinda cool really, like a genesis-snes hybrid combination in terms of performance and got great games like Doom, Wolfenstein, Pitfall, Rayman AVP, Raiden, Iron Soldier and Zool 2! I recommend you the first two Bro! Worth a cigarette break! ;-)
Try Ultra Vortek. Many don't like that game and it is kind of a cheesy Mortal Kombat clone but I like it the characters are a bit different and that background voice you have to check it out to see what I mean.
When I got my first Jag in late '93 (OMG I was already 19 years old in '93!) and played CyberMorph, she drove me crazy talking! I simply stopped playing the game because her face popping up was fairly annoying to me for some reason.
+SiniScope Well, I'm sorry to put it this way but you absolutely suck at Cybermorph. I've been playing for more than a year now and I've only heard that like three or four times! VERY fun game, tho.
The Funkybot Oh, I was not saying that it happened that often! I was saying that when it did I couldn't stand it! Lol! That was all. I really just was not impressed with the game and I just didn't bother. Now when BattleMorph came out, that was a different story. Loved that one and actually still play every once in a while. I did finally beat CyberMorph years later.
The Jaguar if you get it for a cheap price with AVP is ok but overall its a pile of shit. I actually owned one back in the day and sold it off fairly soon after. AVP is the one good exclusive experience you can't find elsewhere, it really is a unique game with all 3 races playing totally different. I certainly wouldn't go out of my way to spend a bunch of money on it though.
I was working at Toy's R Us at the time and bought a Jaguar, I liked it. I had the AVP game, very cool..the one game I liked the most was Tempest 2000. It had the best soundtrack for that system, if you haven't picked that one up I recommend doing so soon!
Hey, cool channel! Plus, you know that the "blast processing" term is just a PR talking thing, right? There's no such feature inside Genesis. It's not a thing, it's basically a technique of programming so Genesis could handle some difficulties and they gave a name to it like it was some serious tweak. They spilled the therm because the clock speed on Genesis could be something that the console could do better than SNES. By the end of the day, it mean or does nothing. Scott Bayless is the name of the guy behind Blast Processing and he can be seen on some magazine ads at the time. I love marketing :D
A serious question here : Mr. '85 You have now more than doubled the subscriber base of one of the most infamous youtubers of our generation - VGW a ten + year veteran in only 15 months...Is it something in the water in North Carolina, just random luck, your insane good looks, perhaps those freakingly stylish t-shirts or maybe even an itty bitty extra dash of talent...What say you ?
I picked mine up a few years ago & hv a decent size library of games. You are right about the price bump I'm glad I got all my stuff when I did. def check out Doom, wolfenstien & power drive it's a top down rally game.
Atari's problem, (well, one of them, but it's a big one) with the Jaguar that messed up 3rd party developers is that the system was absurdly poorly documented. Like, there are 3 processors in the system, and little to no explanation for what any of actually do or how to use them even in a basic sense, much less how to use them effectively. This is a long-standing issue with atari too. Amongst other things the thing the c64 had over say the 800XL was that the 800XL had terrible developer documentation. (there's many other problems Atari has had over the years) It's predecessors from the same family, the 400 and 800, were even worse because not only did atari give out poor documentation, they deliberately withheld technical information on several hardware features that were among the things most useful for games! Why? To make Atari-made games look better than anyone else's... Yeah.... Anyway, I'm not so sure the Jaguar is that big of a headache to develop for as it's made out to be. It's just very poorly documented. It might seem like it has 3 processors, but what it actually has is a CPU, a second CPU devoted to graphics tasks, and a weaker CPU devoted to Audio. (at least, when used as intended.) - this looks a lot like an N64. And within reason it also looks like a Playstation. Aside from the dedicated graphics CPU, this is also what a Mega Drive or SNES looks like. The SNES has 65816 CPU, and a second SPC-700 CPU specifically for audio. Then it has dedicated graphics hardware. Plus, with a SuperFX or SA-1 onboard you basically have a third processor specifically for graphics tasks. The Mega Drive has it's 68000 main CPU, but again, has a Z80 secondary CPU for sound. It's not massively more complex than any of these other systems, but the documentation is so poor, and the main CPU was new and thus unfamiliar, that it was a pain to work with more due to lack of documentation and decent tools than through 'complex' hardware specifically. At least, that's my understanding of the system from a technical point of view...
