I was an ST/Amiga Format reader before the Amiga Format switch. And also worked in a newsagents. At least in the south west, they didn't come sealed. I'd therefore think that maybe it was a subscriber edition as that would have been. Or, and this is where my suspicions lie someone has sealed it themselves.
They didn’t come sealed (except the odd Xmas issue with a mini mag). I grew up in Bath & visited the AF office a few times cuz I knew ppl who worked there. Amazing staff
@@ScandalUK most of the mags I bought in my youth where published by Future Publishing, ST Format, PC format, Superplay, EDGE, Total Film and SFX and of course Retrogamer
I personally found this the best video since channel became a duo again. The segment on CRPG and role playing in general was great. I was into various RPG be it through books, boardgames and card games. I still have a lot of it today in the attic.
I grew up with CRPGs being mentioned in US console gaming magazines as "character" role playing games. These tended to be what I think transitioned into being referred to as JRPGs or JPRG-style games (Chrono Trigger, Dragon's Quest, etc.).
Talking about "can you call it a RPG," growing I tended to enjoy games with character progression like Privateer. I didn't really think of these as RPGs, though. I was familiar with the SSI games and tended to think of those mostly when I thought of RPGs. It probably didn't help with the anti-DND "panic" at the time, though.
I remember Atari F1 in the arcade, which had the video displayed on the screen via rear projection using lights. The main memory was a 4 year old me getting scared when the car crashed.
I've not heard/seen the CPRG term since I last read Dragon back in the early 90s. The one that got me hooked was the same as Dave's. Dungeon Master's magic system was fantastic, making the player feel like they were casting a spell rather than just pressing a button. Wish I still had my original Amiga version but someone borrowed that 30 years ago and never returned it.
MUDs: Please don't forget the original MUSE MUD, as implemented using a variety of computing and networking platforms. Developed by Richard Bartle, Simon Dally and Roy Trubshaw in the 1970s/early 80s, this game started on Essex University's computers and soon became so popular that it needed to move to a bigger system. I was totally addicted to this game and my phone bills were horrendous.
I read the 'Dungeons and Desktops' book years ago. I forgot about that one. It's a good and detailed book if yo are 'properly' interested in RPG games. I still have it, so may read through that again... I quite liked 'Dark Souls|' 'Daemon Souls' games but it never occurred to me to even remotely think of them as RPGs! That list is obviously null and void... It didn't mention Elite (or Ultima) 😉
Nice talk on RPG's, I just can't deal with the grind of so many of them anymore and tbh Disco Elysium has eclipsed the genre for me today, I need more of that.
my three from that list would be SimCity, Metroid and Guitar Hero. Each one of those literally spawned a genre. Ultima may be great but it wasn't the frist RPG, and Elite was super important but it didn't really spawn a genre of its own (perhaps a testament to its uniqueness). Of course they should be in a Hall of Fame, but the three I picked should go in first, if we're sorting by impact and not chronologically.
they should have made the inductions chronological, like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: basically induct games that turn 30 years old, so that each year we get to discuss the games of a specific year (and complain about the omissions).
Matt Barton, the author of the book mentioned "Dungeons and Desktops", has a great RU-vid channel with many interviews with developers etc - www.youtube.com/@MattBarton
@@Lordborak316 Then I guess you also haven't heard of WRPG, Western RPG. Basically there to give a name to games which are not JRPGs ^^ These days were Console and Home computer RPGs are more together on the same market than 30 years ago, it also became more and more necessary (or useful) to distinguish. While lots of people look specifically for JPRGs, there are also plenty (like me) who don't like JRPGs at all.
@@Lordborak316 The funny thing is, that I came to Pen and Paper the other way around. Maybe you know Realms of Arkania / The Dark Eye. In German it's "Das Schwarze Auge", and in Germany it's basically as big as D&D. But I first came with the Computer games from the 90s (internationally known as realms of Arkania) and only because of some advert in the manual I found out about what Pen and Paper is :D
Thanks for the comments on my surname being a new Patron but I have to inform you that isn't my real name as it my DJ name. You may remember me from Community questions of the week where I guessed 2 out of 3 presents correctly the Christmas before last where I said GameCube controller when I ment N64 controller, also the CQOTW about gifts where I got my sister to swap the speccy version for the C64 version of Out Run, and I also gave an answer for the question for "what was your first printer?" where I originated the catchphrase 'I will shut up now". I also recently submitted a jingle for Dave's Housekeeping that is yet to be aired so can anyone find out my true surname? youtube.com/@DJChrisFury I wil shut up now 🤫
Atari Format came in a brown bag I think. the name of the parts on the pcbs are buildings I think! Or so a girl from Island said.She read it in a danish book I think? or maybe not?
NeverKnowsBest is an awesome creator, but take some of what he says with a grain of salt. He likes his narratives smooth and free of contradicting information.
haha what do you think was the point of adding a paywall? making money. whats the point of all the emulators based on other peoples works on the application stores? same thing really. the making money point is what makes them vulnerable to be sued too.
Bethesda didn't fail with Starfield they have made hundreds of millions of dollars and it got great reviews. Games are made by people and people move on to other things so of course these companies will all fail eventually.
Pool of Radiance. the original GoldBox. SSI had done good rpg's before , TSR was looking to license D&D (since it first started) it all just fit with "Forgotten Realms" becoming the D&D campaign world. the first "Computer" version of the RPG ! on PC DOS & B&W MAC
