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Brother, you need to read the comments down one by one or disable the entire comments section because there are people insulting the prophet PBUH and this is can’t be allowed So please disable the entire comments and delete each comment ( اسائات قذرة وكلمات نابية ) جزاكم الله خيرا واحسن اليكم
@@macmac1022Morality differs from people to people. - that is subjective. Morality that doesnt depend on the opinions of people but The All Knowing and Wise Allah - Objective morality. You cant just pluck out one defintion that you agree with and claim thats the definition everyone has to agree with. If you havent noticed lots of people dont agree with the defintion of objective Morality.
@@macmac1022A subjective sense of morality is the same as a preference. I.e do you prefer vanilla or chocolate flavour ice cream. Do you prefer abortion or not. Whos right? Depends what your subjective feelings entail. Therefore right and wrong doesnt exist in a subjective paradigm. Its actually a misnomer.
the atheist macmac was clearly high i would assume, when he cant understand a word muhammad is saying and he keeps on repeating himself, he is either deafening himself by choice or too high on drugs to understand what is being said and what is going on. خَتَمَ ٱللَّهُ عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ وَعَلَىٰ سَمْعِهِمْ ۖ وَعَلَىٰٓ أَبْصَـٰرِهِمْ غِشَـٰوَةٌۭ ۖ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌۭ@@ts4095
No its that Ali does not understand what the word objective means, most people here do not it seems. Ali even having been given the definition of objective morality says in effect that he is inventing his own meaning for the term, that's called an equivocation fallacy.
Atheists: “we’re modern and forward-thinking. we have left the old ways in the past” Also atheists: “we follow the definition of morality from a philosopher born 2,407 years ago”
The Athenians had certain beliefs concerning deity. Socrates also believes in deity, but his conception is completely different from the typical Athenians. While to the Athenians gods are human-like and confused, Socrates believes god to be perfectly good and perfectly wise. i yanked it from google lol
@@omarrenteria2542 sham and dovid were relevant a few years ago when they decided to step out their bathroom recording studios and do in-person debates 🤣 but now they learned their lesson not to show their faces anymore
@@omarrenteria2542bro listened to this channel from the back of a milk carton 💀💀💀💀 The way Muhammad Ali handles debates is incredible. He knows when to respond, how, and he knows how to break down other's arguments. And he talks in a peaceful manner. Legit the best Muslim RU-vidr I've seen till this day.
@@omarrenteria2542sheikh uthman ibn farouk destroyed both David wood and Sam shamoun in a debate . 3 vs 1 and he won. Stop worship a false god and stop praying to dead saints
@@omarrenteria2542it's sad christians so desperate they gotta rely on wood and stone. Where are you pope, the fathers, the real church going christians. Nevermind who are brave who are scared but just be honest to yourself.
Do you know what REALLY hurts me, the fact that our brother explained EVERYTHING and the other guy still didn’t care/understand it. Their eyes are not blind, it’s their hearts.
@@macmac1022if Allah didn’t create you, you wouldn’t exist to even ask this question, same like as you live by now is because of Allah you also will die because of Allah. If i take your life it’s immoral, because I don’t owned your soul, but Allah owned your soul, our soul. So moral and immoral are for human being cuz we are being tested. Do u watch animal? They don’t have morality. It doesn’t matter for them.
I love how he said to him "your god", perfect way to humble him. In a part of my life i go through a phase where i became an atheist. What i find that all people are worshipping something, it could be money, countries, other human, even an idea... They just try to act superior and think that they are smarter than religious people. While in fact, they are just arrogant people. And arrogance makes people dumber because it blocks your eyes from seeing other perspectives. Thanks to Allah, I reverted back to Islam and trying my best to practice my religion in the best way possible. Since then i am living my happiest time.
@macmac, your question was answered and you asking again? Perhaps if you worked on your comprehension skills it would help Your premise is false, face it. Allah gives life and he can take life, that is not immoral, what is immoral is if we as the creation commit evil deeds. Do you comprehend that or is that a bit too much for your IQ level?
@@macmac1022 simple because morality is actually the test paper for this existence. (Test environment) Allah has decreed upon himself attributes of mercy, wisdom and justice etc.. (although he does what he wants in his creation) You cannot just throw some understanding of philosophers as if it was a divine revelation .. it’s just an opinion no matter how brilliant he was.
@@macmac1022It is immoral for a human to kill a child. It is perfectly fine for Allah to do whatever he wants with his creation. However, Allah is the Just and the Good, so his every action is good and wise. In fact, everything that happened to you in your life is a reminder for you to submit to God, and not to your whims or other humans' minds. Even the fact that brother Muhammad owned you back there is a reminder for you to regain some humility and turn to Allah for guidance (sincerely look into Islam and what it is actually about).
I like this attitude brother Muhammad is having. He gave his answer objectively and explained the rationality behind it, yet the other guy switched on his emotional side and started overheating lol.
@@macmac1022 In the example of the drowning child, if someone was there and watched it happening, they would try and save him right?it's not like if a muslim saw him drowning they'd be like "it's a test so i'll leave him". like Brother muhammad said, the child drowning can be a test involving many individuals (i.e. his family, the people involved...etc) and if the child dies of drowning, he instantly goes to paradise where he'll say "i've never known suffering in my life" so it's a win as far as i can tell. We see the pixel but allah sees the whole picture, so we trust in the judgement of our creator. also you do not have objective morality as an atheist and you believe in neither a creator nor an afterlife, so how do you want me to explain it to you?
@zurao don't argue with him. This is the guy from the video. He has been running around with these useless arguments in several muslim channels. He is not here to understand, it is a waste of time.
@@macmac1022 Well articulated , nice summary . ( ah I later see from your comment you were the person talking to Ali so that makes sense ) Incidentally there is a hadith in which Mohammed states that innocent children can go to hell It made me laugh when you defined the term "objectively morality" and he said well that's your definition not mine, he could not even be objective about the meaning of objective.
From my perspective, these sessions are not debates, and Muhammed Ali is himself not allowing for them be debates. He makes things clear that he is here to answer questions, but people don't listen to him, and act confused when he doesn't allow them to argue. He is here to teach sincere non-muslims about Islam. If all you want is to argue and debate him, he won't let you.
Atheists: "basically something is immoral if it personally makes me feel icky" "Like putting pineapples on pizza?" Atheists: "like putting pineapples on... wait no."
MashaAllah, brother Mohammed is a gem. He answers difficult questions so trivially and intelligently. May Allah bless him and increase him even more in the knowledge of Islam.
What is intelligent about asserting that everything is a test? How can you prove that it is a test other than just claiming it. Muhammed is not ready nor interested in talking about the soundness of his Believe.
@@admirosmani3765 well-being and consequences of action. For example if you were to hate someone and beat that person on daily basis without consequences you could just continue forever, but knowing the concept revenge and hideousness makes you think twice whether or not to fall victim to emotions and beat someone for no reason. On the other hand being good can be rewarded with nice word or good deeds back and seeing the usefulness of goodness is also life enriching and also very fun. You could make friends and have nice experiences and what not.
Bro closed his heart off. It’s impossible to go through to him. He lacks a fundamental understanding of value, right and wrong. He can’t be calling himself a philosopher without understanding the problem of evil.
@@hannanmukadam5023 but you never know some people seem outright stubborn and don't want to agree they are wrong. But when they sit alone and reflect their hearts might change. Allah knows best, may Allah open his heart and bring him out of darkness.
@macmac1022 ob·jec·tive /əbˈjektiv/ See definitions in: All Philosophy Grammar Optics adjective 1. (of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts. "historians try to be objective and impartial" That is exactly what was explained, our morality is regardless of our feelings or inclinations, what Allah says is wrong it's wrong doesn't matter what I feel about it, and what Allah says is good is good doesn't matter what I feel about it. That is the literal definition of being objective in any matter. So spew your ignorance somewhere else.
Atheist didn't want to clarify subjective Vs objective to set the parameters for his questions initially but when he didn't hear the answer he wanted and failing to bait Mohammed he THEN wanted to discuss parameters of morals! He also interrupted and the defensively asked "Are you going to interrupt me?" The problem is that he thought he had a 'gotcha' as so many atheists but dig a little deeper and their view proves to be as solid as a souffle.
"Atheist didn't want to clarify subjective Vs objective" He gave Ali the definition for "objective morality" and it was Ali who said this was not his definition but Ali did not clarify what his definition was. The atheist showed that Ali's definition ,what ever it is, is inconsistent. Ali was saying moral facts change depending on who we are talking about , this cannot be the case if the moral fact is objective.
Poor guy looked lost when I watched this live. I hope he didn't lose a child because that seemed to have been the premise of his questioning. I know people who have lost children in tragic circumstances and I've seen for myself the two sides of the test of life. One couple completely fell into dis-belief and their lives spiraled into self-pity and destruction. But, another family turned their towards Allah and benefited from their new found iman and ibadah. This is the beautful thing about Islam - in both cases the child goes to Jannah inshAllah.
The child that dies, will enter into paradise without any judgement. The trial for the Parent is if they understand this as the mercy of Allah or not, they did not see their child's future they did not know wether their child will turn out to be a good Muslim or not, but Allah did, it is painful to lose a child but ultimately what matters more is the child is now in the best of places guaranteed by Allah, it's normal to miss your child, but have hope and pray that you will he reunited with them in Janna. For the child it was a finite amount of pain for eternal paradise. For the parent it's the trial of how much do they really understand Islam and Allah.
I've lost my baby once. A syeikh in our university send his regard and said, 'I won't be saying ta'ziyah (condolences) but i say tahni'ah (congratulation) for your baby will go straight to paradise and waiting his mom and dad there.'
@@salihkamil5116 subhanallah what a beautiful reply, and this is absolutely the truth, the pain a Muslim feels for the departed is only out of missing them and wanting to be with them again, and inshallah Allah will reunite you and all other Muslims who have lost their families in Janna.
@@safiquazi2704does that mean it is ultimately for selfish reasons? If we want them with us because we miss them that ultimately makes it for us right?so its selfish reasons but if we remember the truth we would be thankful to Allah
He seemed so distressed and yet he came off as very arrogant and self-righteous, may Allaah ﷻ guide him...I actually felt bad for him while watching -- A lot of atheists are like this, they feel very angry at God despite claiming they don't believe and it always comes down to something they are experiencing in their personal life, they feel they have no control and God isn't on their side
Perfect example of listening for the sole purpose of responding and not actually learning. The brother answered the question clearly and the guy still missed it because he was too busy waiting for the "gotcha" moment that never came.
You have no idea how incredibly happy I am to finally see this guy show his face and get put in his place. He is literally in the comments of EVERY da'i channel
@@abduliswarndy9151 Yes, it's the same guy. The questions he asked in the video are the same questions that he posts under different videos wording it as if it some kind of mind-blowing dilemma that breaks us. Lol
I may be non muslim but I think in this video the man put a very non argument , I think Muhammed did a good job of handling the situation and making it easy for non believers to understand their point. "It is not the eyes that are blind, but their hearts which are in their breasts." perfectly sums up this atheists point of view as no matter the argument presented to him he has his own agenda
@@lala9237 who is to judge me but Allah? I specified I am non Muslim but I research islam often as I’m considering to convert. I specifically said non Muslim because I want to be absolutely certain before I make the decision but in terms of philosophy I agree with 100% of what the Qu’ran and Hadiths preach
@@lala9237shame on your for being shaytan’s tool and pushing people away from Islam with the tone of your Message. We are meant to be kind and inviting to Non Muslims, not dismissive.
These are basic NPC atheist questions. Once you rebutte their claims they don’t know where to go, so they appeal to emotion by re-repeating the same question again and again, hoping to get a different response.
He only believes in subjective morality but wants to place an objective standard to consider the drowning child. This is insincerity, he hides behind the idea of subjective morality because he wants to be led by his emotion above all and judges what's acceptable belief by what satisfies his emotions
Normally I would agree, but the Brother got a little triggered after the second exchange when the atheist insinuated Allah was immoral. The starting was good, bu the brother got upset too fast. he should've breathed a bit and then pointed out WHY he originally called the act of drowning the kid as immoral, by saying "hmm... But your insinuation doesn't work because there are underlying reasons why it's immoral for a human to let the kid drown in your hypothetical but not for GOD, let me unpack it for you..." then he could've pointed out that " The reason letting the kid drown is wrong, because ALLAH commands that it'd be immoral for a human being to do this..." God is not a human so it doesn't apply to him, since that moral rule is only applicable to Humans. The Brother got frazzled and blindsided which caused hm to lose his cool and muddle the dawah.... I Must say that in the majority of cases Muslim Lantern is a very well spoken and level headed and cool headed speaker.
@@glurppuffloid9796I would have said exactly that. One doesnt hold different beings to the same moral standard. As a simpler example you wouldnt hold a baby to the same moral standard as a grown adult.
Morals?! For an Atheist?! How would his opinion become the 'Right' or 'Wrong' anyone wants to follow. If God saved everyone from immoral actions, he would actually complain that he doesn't have the right to choose. He is duplicitous at best. I am happy to see that TML thinks exactly the way a Muslim should. Allahu Akbar wa zaadaka Allah Ilmaan Katheeran!
I watched this live and I gotta say this guy was behaving really emotionally fast. One thing I noticed that not a lot of people can actually do a civil discussion and that surprises me the most.
@@macmac1022 You think you are so smart and acting as though philosophers have come up some groundbreaking ideas on morals and ethics. This is the beauty about Islam. It already addresses the principle of Utility which Jeremy Bentham & John Stuart Mill proposed so many centuries later. Jeremy Bentham is widely known as the Father of Utilitarianism (maximise pleasure and minimise pain for the greatest good for the greatest number of people) and John Stuart Mill described individuals as having lords of pleasure and pain. Look how ALLAH refuted the ideas of Jeremy Bentham & John Stuart Mill over 1000 years before they were BORN: "Have you seen ˹O Prophet˺ the one who has taken their own desires as their god? Will you then be a keeper over them? Or do you think that most of them hear or understand? They are only like cattle; nay, they are even farther astray from the Path. (i.e. even worst than cattle)." (The Noble Qur'an 25:43-44). What a befitting description of such humans like yourself. Just as the sheep and cattle do not know where their driver is taking them, to the meadow or to the slaughter house, so are these people also following their leaders blindly without knowing or judging where they are being led, to success or to destruction. The only difference between the two is that the cattle have no intelligence and will not be accountable as to the place where they are being taken by the driver. But it is a pity that human beings who are endowed with reason, should behave like cattle; therefore their condition is worse than that of cattle. Also, cattle obeys their shepherd regardless even if they don't have intellect, whereas humans are arrogant to obey their Master even though they have intellect to distinguish what is right and wrong.
@@macmac1022 Regarding your example of the child drowned and why ALLAH allowed it - again ALLAH addressed your analogy more than 14 centuries ago. There is the story of Moses and Khidr found in the 18th surah of The Qur'an where Khidr killed a boy and then out of Moses' impatience, he explained through ALLAH's Revelation the Wisdom behind why he killed the boy by ALLAH's Command as he would grow up to be tyrant and oppress at his righteous parents who would have been misguided. ALLAH decides to grant the righteous parents a substitute with a pious child. The moral lesson is this: We have been commanded by ALLAH to do good and stay away from evil. He allowed evil to take place as humans have the choice to do so and we are undergoing a test, so we have moral obligation. However, in the Sight of ALLAH - there is always goodness out of evil since one of His Beautiful Names is Al-Barr (The Good) but also He is Al-Hakeem (The All-Wise).
@@macmac1022 hmm the first thing was that he asked which morality you use as guidelines and implied and exercised these morals as if they were objective standards. You then accuse God of unrighteousness and passive action regarding suffering without addressing the purpose of this life and assuming this life is the heaven you all aspire to enter after death which is a false assumption or to say the least would require you to explain your thought why the God you believe in should interfere all end
@@seriously235 because we are given the choice with our GOD given freewill to save them. Unlike atheists and christians who thinks good deeds are worthless, Allah gave mankind the chance to do good since the person you tried to save will testify for you in the Day of Judgment.
@@tachikoma7757 why is saving someone from drowning and make them have a chance of disbelieving and go to hell better than letting them go to Jannah according to Allah ?
The fundamental problem with his argument is that it does not take the afterlife into account. "Why did not God save the child?" He did. He saved him from tests, suffering and burdens in this life, and ultimately from the test of the grave, the judgement and hellfire, by dying at a short age and being granted direct entrance into heaven. It's just a problem if you just focus in this life and you don't believe that there's something that comes after it either infinitely worse than any sort of suffering in this one (hell) or infinitely better than any pleasure and joy that you can experience here (heaven).
I've engaged in an exchange with this guy before and his "5 questions". He just copy pastes his questions everywhere. He is not talking to learn. He even tried to argue that atheists have objective morality. I literally gave him the exact analogy of a teacher and a child and a test and he clearly uses 0 logic.
A life hack to know if someone is sincere: They come with a prepared course of argumentation but when the answers they receive aren't what they're expecting and their "Gotcha" moment doesn't work their responses become illogical.
Jazaak Allahu Khayran brother.What a great,simple and logic answer you gave.Helping me to deal with such questions.May Allah Reward you for the good you do
The atheist starts from the premises that, suffering and death are evil. Islamic view is completely different- *_And we will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patient, (2:155) Who, when disaster strikes them, say, "Indeed we belong to Allah, and indeed to Him we will return." (2:156)_*
Yes ofc Muslims do not see death as the end, its simply the end of your test and the beginning of your judgement. So death and suffering are not evil in themselves. Now if a human out of their free will is causing more death and suffering, then that human is evil for doing so.
@@safiquazi2704 Yep. I mean Allah created human beings. He has the right to make them be born but he doesn't have the right to kill them? 😂 Atheists like these are so hilarious.
@macmac1022 the same answers as you, but the question is I derived my answers from the Quran Allah tells us to stop evil with your hand, and if you're unable then with your tongue and if you're unable then feel bad about It in your heart and that would be the least amount of faith. So all these questions are pretty simple to answer in the light of the Quran. Where are you deriving your answers from is the question. Why did you save the child who told you it's good or bad to do so, your opinion might be it's the right thing to do, but the other person's opinion is that it's not the right thing to do hence he's not saving the child. How do you decide who's right?
@@macmac1022 your questions are more suitable for Christians. The questioner posed these questions based on their understanding of Christian theology. Learn the story of Musa and Khidr peace be upon them, it will help you get some Islamic perspective Inshallah.
@@macmac1022 i don't need to google anything ,your ideology is influenced by your environment ,then in china its fine to eat dogs ,in ancient times they used to sacrifice humans ,that was taken as a sign of bravery , Don't try to fool anymore by the lame example you gave ,Anyone who thinks this complex universe came into existence by an accident is ignorant. My Allah guide you
That teacher analogy was excellent. And Muslim Lantern did not play any “mental gymnastics”, on the contrary he was completely direct and straightforward and logical.
Simply put, they confuse God (who puts the test) to his creation (the ones taking the test). The teacher-student analogy is SO Clear even to him (but his pride won't accept it) Rationality disappears from their side all of a sudden 😅
I saw this guy's message in the live chat. "I have questions that will impact Islam" ... Then his first question is "why does God allow evil to exist?". The arrogance. As if this isn't one of the oldest questions and he came up with it.
@@harryd8010Watch the Video. Also it's the same as saying The writer of lord of the rings either doesn't exist or is evil. If he existed then bad things wouldn't happen in lord of the rings. But Since bad things happened. He either doesn't exist or is evil. Just because bad things happen. Doesn't mean the Creator is bad. He allows them to happen so that people can learn and grow. That's what life is, a test. Just because they're are hard questions doesn't mean the Proffessor hates you.
Dude became more internally flustered than externally. And I don’t think that milk or whatever it is was quenching any of it. Brother Muhammad’s confidence, calmness and rhetoric is just frustratingly ruthless.
That's not true, I had plenty of horrible teachers in my life and passed exams. The student has to put in the work. If a student doesn't study on their own time they will fail. Just like life, we all have to put in the work and try our best, if we're handed everything are we grateful or do we take it for granted? When we work hard and earn our reward we are more grateful.
i know youre being sarcastic. thats exactly how the atheist think. anyway, teachers are not God btw, so some are bad. students may also pass even with bad teacher, depending on the test methods and who the examiner is. the examiner might be the same bad teacher. he might let the student pass because he know the student usually give good answers, so he assume you did without checking or he failed because he doesnt like you.
you can't make comparasion between God and teacher, it's just for the example of "the test". Teacher can failed because they can be wrong while God absolute perfect and just.
This is the best channel I've encountered spreading the message of Islam. May Allah raise the ranks of our brother and bless more people to come across this knowledgeable man.
Muhammed has many times informed people that it's not a debate channel but simply a platform for non-Muslims to clear their doubts or have any questions related to Islam. Still, many atheists and Muslims alike come on the channel to debate with Muhammed on Quran and Hadith like they are going to win this challenge.
@@macmac1022 Yes you can question on Islam as per title, like Muhammed said you can disagree to his answers and move on to the next question. But many resort to argue like a debate to see who wins the argument.
@@macmac1022 What MA informed you about what is inside the Islamic perspective. Whether you agree or disagree, Quran and Sunnah will not change. As a Muslim, we know well what is our purpose in this life, where will be our destination after this life, and when death appears to our loved ones we know how to give them a 'gift'. Yes, we are missing their physical body but their soul is already in another realm(barzakh).As Muslim we make dua and recite Quran so the blessing will go to them and they receive this 'gift' from us who are living in this world. For children who die young, they will wait for their parents at the gates of heaven. If we Muslims want to meet and reunite with our family members eternally we must strive to worship God alone and try our best to follow the teachings of Quran and Sunnah. May Allah have mercy on us and grant us heaven and unite with our children and families. Insya Allah. Seek with open and honest heart, you will find your answer. Remember this life is a test.
@@harryd8010 what about their parents and where does it begin from? 2 people, a man and a woman, now who created them? That is God The Creator of all things, the Uncreated
You can already hear the pain in his voice when being confronted with logical reason from ML. Laughing out is the most obvious sign of discomfort. May Allah guide us on the right path and not let us become lost like so many in our dunya.
Whatever they try they will never be able to do anything against muslims and islam because islam is the truth, Alhamdulillah may allah guide him and guide us all subhanallah☝️❤
This dude thought he was really doing something lol smh. Problem is he came without an open heart and mind. He came to attack knowing he didnt care what answer he got either way. May Allah guide him. Beautifully answered as usual bro Ali!!
Oh I remember him 😂😂 this guy was TRIGGERED from the word go😂😂. Traditional "I have studied 1 year of phylosophy and know I'm smarter than you" mindset. 😂😂 for example using his logic"if I stabbed you with a knife is it my fault or the knifes - why did god not save you". The knife in this case has other applications but it's the human who chooses it for harm aka the problem of evil argument. Additionally in a cout of law is the person using the knife guilty or God aka Determinism - it was ment to happen so God is the fault. 😂😂😂
