Well,...oh yeah! Mine didn't. So there! (How about the invisible unicorn? My group thought that the evidence for that one was sketchy. After all, it's not mentioned in the Bible or the Koran. Or is it? I'd better check....)
@@stevenholmes78 Not a threat, a warning; God doesn't want you to find out what it's like, because He knows.. and besides, Hell doesn't just stop existing because some folks don't believe in it
Howard is in a class all his own. I find it hilarious that he seems to have given up being obliterated in FE "debates" and has moved to places like AXP to promote his ridiculous claims.
Yes, like pro-life instead of anti-abortion or intelligent design instead of creationism. They have to change the labels to escape the negativity and rejection they themselves produce by taking these unreasonable, unintelligent and, oftentimes, cringe, stances.
Flat earthers accusing people of "ignoring evidence" is hilarious. My man, you're ignoring literal photos from space showing the earth is not flat. Not to mention literally every single experiment that proves the earth isn't flat.
It’s Cee Gee Eye!(said in the Welsh accent of The Creaky Blinder)😆🤣 I know it’s completely absurd, but that’s their ridiculous argument for ignoring photos of our earth.
@chris424cm, The "Scientific Method" was invented by Young Earth Creationists like Newton, Kepler and Copernicus who expected to find Order and Design in Nature because they believed in the Designer. The real issue isn't that Athiests aren't "Ignoring evidence for God", but that they don't even know what that "Evidence" would even look like. How would you know that $1 million dollars US exists if you've never seen it with your eyes in person? How do you know what caused the formation of SpacetimeandMatter, and the "Great Expansion" when you didn't personally witness it? I suspect that if Jesus Himself personally appeared in your bedroom tonight, slapped you in the head with His fleshy palm and said "I AM God", you'd be like Ebenezer Scrooge and chalk it up to hallucination from undigested dinner from that night.
Don't have to, Howard lives in Benidorm, Spain. Maybe it is his isolation esp. without british tourists in winter that drove him into insanity. When I remember it correct, he is also in heart-shaped pebbles on the beach being true petrified hearts, and mountain ranges being petrified dragons etc. I do not know what went wrong with these people, they lost trust in ANYthing established and therefore believe ANY conspiracy.
The Greeks 2200 years ago not only knew that the earth was a globe but actually came up with a pretty good estimate of its circumference. Eratosthenes performed a simple experiment using shadows and geometry. That someone in the 21st century can actually think that the earth is flat boggles the mind.
Is odd how theists Despise to even Acknowledge there were civilizations all over the World that were Growing & Knowledge was spreading. Yes there were wars as well butt DAFUQ happened to civilizations when judaism, islam & christianity started Spreading???
Every Flat Earther: So you just believe whatever you’re told?!? Were you there?!? Why can’t I feel myself spin?! You don’t think people can lie (except me)?! Why haven’t I heard about it?! You know I’m always right you just work for NASA.
@@thedave1771 Considering the litany of warnings I've gotten about violating the community guidelines, I'm going to assert with confidence and authority: *THAT IS BEING NICE*
@@nealjroberts4050 they absolutely do lol. I've been told dozens of times I'm ignoring "evidence of god" that doesn't exist. They use the bible as evidence when the believability of the Bible is entirely faith based. It's not every theist, but it's a bafflingly large portion of them
As an art major, the 7 colors bs is killing me. Just open up the color picker in any basic image editor and you'll find hundreds of colors that fall very messily under some commonly used categories which blend seamlessly into each other to the point that it becomes impossible to tell definitively where one stops and the next starts. But if you stopped education at age 5, there's only ROYGBV.
Exactly, easy to do when he has vauge conditions and he's the only judge. Of course I doubt that very many people ever thought that he would ever pay up. Flat-earthers are notorious for issuing challenges they never had the intention and/or the means to reward a winner for. This one is already known to be either lying or delusional among the flat-earth debunkers.
I would not say this is much of an exception, since the claim itself has no merit to begin with. I know plenty of British individuals who are quite smart, but I know many more who are just plain stupid. By the way, this is not exclusive to the British people either. Most individuals in most cultures are stupid.
As soon as Howard went into the non-globe discussion of the earth I knew this was a lost cause. But it was good to show how ludicrous these type of arguments are.
i had this on in the background and had my attention taken for a little bit and as soon as i heard what he was offering a cash prize for on spanish tv i was like “ohhhhhh so he just isn’t okay PERIOD” and i hate to say it but when he was mentioning how no one takes him seriously i was like “well mate neither do i”
1:20 "I wonder if it's because you guys are scared of final judgement..." if we were scared of final judgement, we wouldn't be atheists. We would be kissing god's arse every minute.
Well no, we'd just ask forgiveness whenever it suits us and go right back and start the whole process all over again. You know, like theists do. That's why the entire "atheists just want to SIN" bit makes absolutely no sense. If that was all, we'd just do what they do.
In common with the vast majority of my fellow Norwegians, I’m an atheist. I’m not inclined to ignore evidence. I’ve simply never seen or heard a single shred of evidence that might support the existence of a “god”.
It appears that Howard doesn't understand the meaning of some of the words he uses, such as 'empirical' and 'evidence'. Howard tells us that people laugh at him. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to have asked himself why that happens.
Exactly! To paraphrase Occam's Razor, the goal should be to reach conclusions that rely on as few _assumptions_ as possible. His entire position is a stack of assumptions.
I've been proving God for 50 yrs. To be as brief as possible. We are DYING/losing information/decaying in disorder over time toward our heat death end/going from bad to worse; thus, nothing in this world can produce new information/new anatomy/evolution/gain of complexity; thus, existence requires a NON-DYING CAUSE (God) to produce your initial information, before it started to dissipate. Try to learn what I'm teaching you before it's too late (when your temporary free will expires at your last gasp on earth and you go to hell - wishing you had never been born). For now, you're debunked.
@@EnthusiasticTent-xt8fh Yeah I Can prove no GOD is active in stopping or preventing evil. Meanwhile your GOD allows you to make foolish posts in blind FAITH.
I was here for this call live and honestly, it was embarrassing to listen to as an Englishman. Our education system is better than this. He must have been taught real things, and then his broken brain just went "NOPE - LET'S GET RID OF THAT".
Fortunately for us, he isn't representative of English education. It really would be fascinating to get his life story though, to see where and when it was that he veered into Flat Earth ideology, 'cause I really don't know how it is that people end up there. I know for some it comes from familial pressure - for example our English compatriot and atheist RU-vidr Emma Thorne has discussed her upbringing under the influence of her conspiracy theorist father and done videos about the sorts of things she believed before being convinced otherwise. And I also know that once a person has embraced one conspiracy theory, they tend to have to embrace others either to justify the initial belief or because the alternative cannot be justified when holding that initial belief; for instance, most Flat Earthers are going to be Moon Landing Hoaxers too because otherwise they would have to accept that the Earth has been seen from space. And then they need to believe in a global government conspiracy, and then they need to determine a motive, and so it isn't difficult to see the path that they take from "I can see the Isle of Man from Blackpool" to "the sciences are a satanic global conspiracy". I suspect that though most roads lead to the same mass-conspiracy conclusion, the origins of each conspiracy theorist are different. And I don't think it's difficult to see the urge to believe something fantastical - we do it all of the time when we watch movies. The flaw is in... well, it was exactly what this caller demonstrated repeatedly: confirmation bias; they accept one erroneous belief, then another and another, and they wind up with what they believe is this complex model of the world that's harder to shake than the original idea because it's chock-full of ad hoc rationalisation. Folding Ideas did a great video on this - it's called "In Search of a Flat Earth". It starts by exploring the Flat Earth belief, but in the later part of the video also explores the other conspiracy theories embraced by that community and how they weave together into this self-justifying monolithic belief. ...but I'm waffling. It just truly would be fascinating to know where and when these beliefs started for people, because I'm not surprised at how they end up where they do, but knowing what started them down that path would be interesting.
it goes both ways. its based on how you perceive the world. for a flat earther they give you evidence and you reject it and vise versa. they both think they already have the truth. that goes same thing to atheism and theism. all of the people have their own criteria of what makes an evidence and their logic and reason is what it comes down to.
@@conspiracy1914 No it doesn't go both ways! The truth is the truth, and there is only one reality we all live in, you cannot have your own! Some people perceive the world to be flat and that "THEY" are trying to kill us all, and faking us out with "Science", and yet not one of them can show any evidence for it, just like no one has ever shown any viable evidence for their god! You are missing one major component: TRUE JUSTIFIED BELIEF people can believe whatever they f they want to and all too often do, and you are right in saying "all of the people have their own criteria of what makes an evidence and their logic and reason is what it comes down to", but it cannot make them right just because, and the ones who are right are right and the ones who are wrong are wrong! Bad standards of evidence are bad and lead to false conclusions! It's worse though with some, like Howard here, because he does have all of the great evidence at his fingertips, but he is rejecting it outright because it doesn't comport with his preferred fantasy! Anyone who understands why he is wrong and that the earth is a sphere, has true justified belief they are right, Howard's belief is not justified, nor even justifiable! The difference is how people come to truth which dictates who will ultimately have it, and "Both think they have the truth" is a terrible way of saying it, because only one side has good reason to reject the other side, and so it is not an even playing field. IOW: You don't hold a gun to your head because you think it's not loaded, but when You have more than sufficient evidence it really isn't, and even then it's a bad idea, as some moron may try the same based on shit evidence after seeing you do it! Howard has been doing this for years now, and belongs in a mental institution, it's that bad!
"Oh no, I'm not saying all scientists lie" Except that the globe has to be true for every aeronautical science, especially space related stuff. He HAS to believe that there's the biggest conspiracy ever.
It also has to be accounted for in ALL telecommunications applications, so he would need to technically provide proofs and implementation guidelines for telecoms WITHOUT the earth's curvature accounted for
Science points directly to God. That said, I've been proving God for 50 yrs. To be as brief as possible. We are DYING/losing information/decaying in disorder over time toward our heat death end/going from bad to worse; thus, nothing in this world can produce new information/new anatomy/evolution/gain of complexity; thus, existence requires a NON-DYING CAUSE (God) to produce your initial information, before it started to dissipate. Try to learn what I'm teaching you before it's too late (when your temporary free will expires at your last gasp on earth and you go to hell - wishing you had never been born). For now, you're debunked.
Not to mention why point-to-point radio communication across land always has a range limit, even when involving radio towers and/or mountain-peak stations. On a flat Earth, this should be impossible: there should be perfect line-of-sight radio communication from any point on the Earth to any other, unobstructed point. In reality, the curvature of our spherical Earth always puts an ultimate limit on how far radio signals can be transmitted & received before the planetary mass of the Earth itself blocks them (unless we rely on ham radio techniques such as exploiting the sunspot cycle).
@@zenkim6709 Yeah, but I heard roundabout unscientific attempts at explaining that with something like absurdly powerful atmospheric deviation of waves, light and radio. It would be the same explaination as to why the Sun goes down the horizon maintaining the same size instead of going far away while staying on top of the flat Earth. Its light just gets pushed down to the ground after a certain distance, and radio waves would be affected by that too. You can't ride a radio wave like you ride an aircraft, so radio scientists could be honestly mistaken, while everyone that ever reached the outer parts of the atmosphere and beyond HAS to be lying to give validity to this crazy conspiracy theory. Either that, or he never even thought this thoroughly about this XD
To the caller, explain: 1. Tides 2. Timezones 3. Why you can’t see the north star south of the equator 4. How we predict and track hurricanes if the satellite photos are fake. 5. Why artillery needs to adjust for the Coriolis effect. 6. Seasons 7. The phases of the moon. 8. Why ships disappear bottom first over the horizon. 9. How a sextant could possibly work on a flat earth. 10. Why all the stars appear to rotate around the north star north of the equator, but they all rotate the opposite direction around the southern bald spot south of the equator. 11. Why can you calculate the time it takes a Foucault pendulum to complete a circle knowing only your latitude? 12. Even high school students have duplicated the Cavendish experiment, how is that possible on a flat earth? If mass attracts mass, “down” must be toward the center of the earth. That would be exciting on a flat earth. 13. solar eclipses. 14. Lunar eclipses. 15. Why is the angle of the North Star/Southern bald spot related to your latitude? This list is in no particular order, made off the cuff and typed on a tiny device. So kindly focus on the concepts and not the typos.
You would need to explain all these points and a lot more just to equal the globe theory and then you would need to predict something the globe model can't for the flat earth to beat it. Flat earthers don't grasp the amount of evidence and predictions we can muster for the globe.
The thing is, you could prove that earth if flat, 6,000 years old, and that evolution doesn't happen. You've still done basically NOTHING to prove that your highly specific version of God exists or that anybody should be living their lives according to your highly specific interpretation of some old book.
@@HIIIBEARI did not pay attention to the name, but his voice made me suspicious. He has a chin beard like Iron Horse (formely known as FEAJ).Obviously, when their brains explodes their skull was so fact-hardened that the blast went all downwards and now nerve strands are dangling from their chins. And all that is left in their head is a vacuum, an empty flat plane with a firmament bone dome over it.
A globe skeptic, not an oblique spheroid, not flat, whatever that looks like, I wonder what shape he’d prefer? Maybe it isn’t fixed and the Earth’s geometry is still evolving?
@@johnellis1567 Nah, he *does* think it's "flat", he just took the word "flat" when Forrest/Armin said it to mean "two dimensional" and then ranted about how he doesn't think it's two dimensional. He thinks it's a short cylinder, which everyone else in the world except this clown knows is what people mean by "flat Earth". He's just an absolute moron in every way.
Did you notice: 1. That the earth is travelling at 66,620 mph, but to get to "666", it has to be given in _"hundred_ mph" - which isn't a way that mph is EVER given. 2. In order to get the 666, he NECESSARILY requires that the earth is orbiting the sun... But that's not how he later described the sun working in his Flerfer "model".
Yeah, that's weird. I didn't pick up on that. That's a contradiction so extreme that it's hard to imagine the most delusional person tolerating it. When he was talking about accounting for the shadow angles when Eratosthenes was measuring the circumference of the earth, he was a using the supposition that the sun was close to the earth.
@@donnievance1942 exactly. And yet, earlier, the earth was wizzing around the sun at a speed that somehow meant we were worshipping Helios. Ummm... wot?
@@donnievance1942 admittedly, he was correct about that very specific experiment by Eratosthenes - either a round earth with the sun very far away, or a flat earth with a nearby sun could explain the observation. What Flerfers CAN'T do is explain the rest of the observations! Try to get one to produce a flat map that accurately shows the distance between cities that are in a general East-West alignment, for cities in the equator and at high and low latitudes. 🤯 🤣🤣
For point 2, I think what he said is that the 666 thing was just an internal critique. He doesn't actually believe that's the real value of anything, but he does think (somewhat incorrectly as the hosts explained) that's the number given by round-earthers. He just wanted to show that in that model 6 could also be considered a special number... for some reason?? I'm seriously confused about what he was trying to say, holistically. He used the omnipresence of the number 7 as an argument for god and everything, and the rebuttal was "that's just selection bias, 7 isn't any more special than 6 for example" and... it sounded like he was agreeing?? Like "yea you're right, for example in your model we see 6 a lot here and there"... but then that just proves that 7 isn't special? and his argument was wrong?? Or was it supposed to be a hypocrisy thing, like "O-oh w-well in YOUR model you ALSO have a special number, and it's six, heh!" Except that's insane. But tbf Howard IS insane, so that might be within expectation.
@@ilonachan It's almost as if his consciousness is being fed information from a hundred different sources located deep within his Id. This of course is not a problem as his Id has assured him with a feeling so sublime that he intuitively knows that they are all irrefutable truths no matter what, even if they contradict each other.
Brandolini's Law states "The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it." Thank you, Armin and Forrest, for expending this inordinate amount of energy.
As an English person, I'm deeply embarrassed that this bloke is a fellow countryman. We're working hard at weeding out these people, and it is slowly working.
"The whole of Spain saw it" Dude, who are you? For you it was the biggest moment of your life, for the local tv station it was another crazy brit, we have too many.
"I had my challenge up for three years, and only two people tried submitting evidence! And one of them used Photoshopped images!" A: How did you determine those images were Photoshopped? B: What did the other one submit? This is the issue with all the conspiracy theorists who CLAIM to put their money where their mouth is. If you ever want to actually SEE that money, you need to break their worldview, not just clear their challenge. Because anything that clears their challenge, they will find some way to declare invalid. That's why so few people bother attempting these challenges, because they know that even when they succeed, they won't get the credit, and the challenger will continue to believe their crazy theories. It's not worth trying. Anyone who is seriously open to learning how they're wrong doesn't bet large sums of money on being right. Not unless the wager is rigged in their favor.
I’m of mixed minds. On one hand it’s a powerful demonstration of their character. On the other I question the value of legitimizing this drivel with civility and the veneer of debate. I don’t want to live in a world where everything is up for debate in the market place of ideas. There needs to be a certain baseline of things we just aren’t open to discussion on. Ethnostates, eugenics, and flat earth are all ideas that have had their time and need to be given the old Yeller treatment. I just don’t see any value in polite engagement with people on this sort of topic when the proponents of these ideas are invariably bad faith and dishonest or entirely incapable of a rational discussion.
@@munchkingod6 One of those things is not like the others. One of those things just doesn't belong. Can you tell which thing is not like the others, before I finish my song?
@@TheBrothergreen I mean obviously they’re not on their face morally equivalent. But they are equally stupid, and the people who support those ideas today use the same tactics and are of comparable caliber. And there IS a substantial connection. Flat Earth isn’t harmless. It’s a gateway to conspiratorial thinking and often to white nationalism and other violent repulsive ideologies. In order to espouse flat earth you must adopt a worldview that is primed for anti-rational thinking. You must reject intellectualism and the entire body of modern science. There’s a reason we see so many people go Flat Earth to Antivax to QAnon to Nazi. The worldviews are deeply resonant.
Seems to me he doesn’t like “flat earth” even as a colloquial term, as if it implies he believes in some kind of 2D world. Seems that “globe sceptic” is how he identifies. Equally nonsensical.
@@NeutralMjolkHotel Gotta say it's a whole new "level" of insanity if these nutters honestly think "flat earthers" and "globe skeptics" are different things. They both use the same arguments, almost as if they're reading off the same list. But yeah, it's more likely they decided on identifying as something different, since the old identifier brings so much mockery with it, like how when anti-vaxxers tried to re-identify...
There's a guy who literally thinks that a seven day week is the definitive proof of God. But then this guy believes that rocks are petrified hearts. So... tomato, tomahto?
Howard claims to do scientific experiments. His 'cold Moonlight' experiment is hilarious. His 10K euro challenge is invalid because he himself is the judge of what is or isn't acceptable as evidence. He's never come across a conspiracy theory he won't subscribe to.
I would take him up on his challenge if he would pre-pay my travel expenses, post a bond covering the payout, sign a contractual agreement specifying the actual observational predictions that define the criteria for success or failure, and agree to the cooperative choosing of a panel to judge the results who would have the legal power to release the money. You would need a bay of an appropriate size, with a sea cliff on the target side, a good telescope with appropriate power and resolution, and some kind of arrangement for lowering a large, white target (maybe 5 meters X 5 meters) down the cliff face until it appeared to touch the water as observed from the opposite shore, coordinated by a cell phone connection, of course. It would be an easy 10,000 pounds, especially since he says he would allow only half the measurement predicted by earth's curvature. Meeting all these requirements would cost him a lot more than 10,000 pounds of course, so it would never happen.
Armin needs to listen a bit more. The principle is never to interrupt your adversary when he is in the process of making a mistake. Too often, when Forrest asked Howard a pointed question, Armin would let Howard off the hook by interjecting instead of listening.
Agreed, the number of times he cuts off the caller before the first word is even out of their mouth, repeatedly, is infuriating. And I hated every word from the caller as well.
You have to understand that for Howard, a discussion like this is gold. Pure gold. At least as far as his FLERF community goes. They are going to dissect everything you said and exploit any perceived weakness they find. They will use this as fuel to further their prominence on wtvr platform they work from. The whole idea is that it makes them feel special that "they" understand and the rest of the world does not. I don't think Howard really gives a crap about god, that was just his way into your show.
He doesn’t “care” about anything other than his desperate need for constant attention. He couldn’t give us the evidence he claimed we were ignoring and instead said we have to believe whatever he says because he’s the only honest person in the world.
@@AzathothTheTrueGod "he’s the only honest person in the world." Him and other flat earthers. At least the ones he agrees with. They have so many versions of this crap that FLERFERs themselves don't agree on what a "flat earth" is or means. At least we have consensus.
@@ngcastronerd4791 I remember when the ice wall was the thing they said contains the oceans. Then later they said “no one EVER said an ice wall surrounds the planet”. They can’t decide which map has the right position of continents.
From the day the first boat was put in the water, sailed out to sea and returned to shore, people have known the earth is round. What's the first thing you see when scanning the horizon for a sailboat? *The tip of the mast!* (okay, and floating beer cans) Howard, dear, you need to get out on the water more. Take a sixer, sunblock, and binoculars. Go out to where you cannot see land, enjoy the water and the silence, feed the fish, throw fries to the seagulls, and when that gets boring head back to shore. On your way in, use the binocs and search the horizon. What's the first thing you see? It's either going to be the top of the marina flagpole or the "penthouse" suite in a luxury beachfront highrise. I'm sorry, Howard, but the curvature of the earth does not lie.
Pirates used this fact to scout out islands. Position the ship so it's hidden by the horizon and then use a spyglass from the crow's nest. They could see the island and any fortifications but anyone on the island would have a hard time seeing them.
"You can only see 7 celestial bodies with the naked eye." *Thousands of stars, and the Milky Way itself, raise their hands.* "Nobody has shown curvature" *MAGE II has entered the conversation*
@@Magnusfication Is the place where the discoveries were made actually relevant? You asked for the other person's point, but you clearly lack a point yourself.
@@angelmendez-rivera351 grim first has to demonstrate that the place of birth is relevant to whether or not the OP should feel pride. Me stating that he lived in Greece when he made his discoveries and asking what his point was with the birth comment was exactly my point.
@@Magnusfication If Erasthotenes was born in Libya, then he was not Greek. Therefore, it is unclear on what basis the O.P. being Greek relates to pride for Erasthotenes' discovery.
And MC Toon has a $10k prize for any Flat Earther how can find a location using celestial navigation ONLY using "flat earth" maths. Been open for other a year now with no takers. All these Flerth challenges by people like Howard and Dave Weiss are bullshit challenges.
I seem to remember Sleeping Warrior betting £1,000 there should be a lunar eclipse once every month if the Earth was a globe. Of course, he never paid up.
The divisions are not as arbitrary as you think. They are based on the absorption characteristics of the several pigments that characterize the different color reception cell types in the retina. When you look at a rainbow, you see distinct bands, even though the actual change in light frequency is a continuous transition across the width of the rainbow. This is a perceptual artifact arising from the nature of eye.
@@donnievance1942 not arbitrary, I know, but still human-made. Similar to "notes" distinguishing amidst the frequency range that could be divided any number of ways, it seems we've set it based on what sounds good to the human ear. And the rainbow is labeled based on the human eye's receptors. I love this stuff. Nature, reality, is analog and fuzzy, but we like to categorize in distinct units. And it's useful to do so. But then some go and think those discrete definitions are real, or divinely set.
They're seven because Newton considered seven a mystical number when doing his prism experiments. Before that rainbows were usually represented as 3 colours!
I once had a discussion with someone that I would say is about as well informed and together as this caller. When I brought up the need for empirical evidence, they argued that what the British crown mandated didn't affect reality. I realized he thought empirical meant imperial. So well informed these types....
I thought he was wrong until he pointed out that a rainbow has seven colors and there are seven notes. That was a deal breaker! I’m sure both those ideas are rock solid and not subjective human opinions. Oh, shit Forrest just brought that up…. Nevermind…
I flew from Auckland to Wellington (New Zealadn on a perfect summers day yesterday (11th jan 2024) and took some wonderful pics of the blue ocean, and the very observable curve of the horizon.
It’s a bit frustrating. People have a conclusion and then look for evidence to support that conclusion, regardless of the actual evidence they come across
" I don't think they are lying! I don't think anyone is lying!!! it's not a conspiracy!!!" Goes on to explain what he thinks they are doing which includes a describe of lying and of a conspiracy
Nitpick: It's medium. The singular form of media is medium. The news media are a collective pile of this medium and that. Not to imply "Middle" but "a general way/means of". Film is a medium of storytelling. A newspaper is a medium of delivering current events. Currency is a medium of exchange. Like I said, it's a nitpick, but now you know. A pleasant evening to you. :)
Im glad Arim asked the thing I always wonder when someone is so far into a delusion- why they think there are millions conducting the greatest conspiracy in history? His answer was similarly crazy but at least we know 😉.....Fact he was well aware, that on multiple occasions “ everyone was laughing at me...,” was in itself very amusing 😂.
The scientific field of Flora is a very broad field. After a couple generalized courses you should consider specializing in a particular field within the field, ex mycology the study of fungi. 💁♂️
that could happen on a flat disc, too. The Sun flies half a circle above the disc, then half a circle under it. But yes, we use the globe model to predict sunsets whenever wherever we want to, and it always works. I cannot even hope for 1 viable prediction from flat Earthers.
One of the first questions in Physical Chemistry at Harvey Mudd when I was there was: Given the Ideal Gas Law, prove the sky is blue. Hint: It isn't made of water.
Concerning the musical notes, frequencies were assigned letters by people rather than something discovered in nature. I once had a discussion where told a religious guy that a day was one rotation of the earth and he told me that the way we have days is that it is 24 hours. They think that concepts take precedence over reality.
There is no way that he would ever pay out. This is typical behaviour of some flat-earther/science deniers, they offer a challenge with a substantial reward for providing evidence of x, y, or z, and then refuse to accept any evidence as valid because it conflicts with whatever they have already decided is the truth.
Just use that $10,000.00 to go on vacation across the equator and look at the night sky, where the stars will be different and rotating in the opposite direction and the face of the moon will be flipped upside down, which wouldn't happen on a disk but would be completely expected on a spheroid.
Or go on a trip westwards . California is west of New York, China is west of California, India is west of China, Egypt is west of India, Spain is west of Egypt, New York is West of Spain. Perfectly mundane on a globe, completely impossible on a disk.
@@lnsflare1 Wrong. On their flat earth model with the north pole at the center, going west is following a huge circle around the pole which they allow could be undertaken by following a compass bearing, giving the same observational result as what you're suggesting. The only way to prove your point would be to follow a series of straight-line sightings, checked with back sights, using a theodolite, which would be impossible crossing the ocean, because there would be nothing to take a sight on.
The red bull video is using a very wide angle lens, so it's not possible to use it to say anything about the curvature. However, there are MANY videos, including amateur videos from high altitude balloons, that specifically use rectilinear lenses with no distortion which definitively show that there's a curve. If the flat earthers had any know-how, they could easily repeat these experiments. But for some reason, they don't...🤔
The red bull video doesn't prove anything because of the lenses used. Curvature as well as horizon falling below "eye level" can be easily shown with simple experiments performed with home-made items and climbing a small mountain, preferrably next to the sea.
@@mathiasrryba Perhaps using a homemade quadrant to sight level and observe that the distant horizon appears to fall below level? What these bozo flerfers don't grasp is that if the earth was flat, there would be no distinct horizon at all when the sea was observed from any height. The sea would just fade out at greater and greater distances until it was lost in the increasing atmospheric interference. At the level line there would be a transition zone where it was impossible to separate the sea from the sky.
I am from England and can confirm the earth is not round, I can see a hindu temple in the distance which is clearly in India, the ISS is actually a pac man character it goes across then appears instantly at the other side. Being of Norse descent I know there are the the 9 realms in the branches of ygddrasil so science has made a very expensive series of mistakes and needs to start again!
Howard: I am a strict adherant of the scientific method Howard 30 minutes later: The scientific method is asking people on Facebook what they think Hollywood wishes they could write a plot twist this good
Actually, what was the most annoying aspect of this phone call is that he called with a religious implication about his pseudoscience, and no matter how many times you told him “We don’t care if you think the Earth is flat because it in no way proves God” he still kept going on and on about how the earth was flat. As much as you wanted to steer him away from using the shape of the earth as some sort of evidence for God, he kept just going back to the shape of the Earth. Absolutely bizarre!
There were a couple direct moments where a question he made did get directly answered, showing he was wrong, and instead of reckoning with it he immediately went to "ok so what about [other thing]". Classic scenes.
People do laugh even harder at people who offer up cash rewards for what amounts to getting a basic understanding of the world. It telegraphs how unserious they are and everybody knows that they will never pay out since the goalpost will always move and there's likely no money at all.
