There is nothing like the sound of a Cummins engine! This brings back many happy memories of my childhood days spent in Atki's and ERF's! Thanks for posting this!
I drove borderers for probably 5 years with 180 Gardener and 6 speed David Brown. No power steering, plank seat, useless mirrors and joke wipers. You could not turn the steering unless moving and yet we managed to back them in to tight spaces. Rated at 32 tons by the way. We were driving big miles with flat trailers in general haulage. How on earth did we do it? On reflection it was criminal of manufacturers to produce these lethal health destroying relics. I just remembered the solid steering column between your legs!
John Saunders I have to agree with what you say, but if you look where we came from the years previous they were a very good wagon. They were much better than any previous Foden or ERF. it was not until the Wagons came from Europe we released how prehistoric they were.
Well more sophisticated than the earlier ones with the alloy rad and other "vintage carts" but I graduated on to one of the first Volvo F10's......a space ship by comparison!
Drove them as well .... you just got on with it, no power steering, shit brakes, wipers that sometimes did , + flat trailers. My 2016 Daf is complete luxury compared ! But things are not really better, trucks are, but the industry is in a mess. Nowhere to park safely, nowhere to eat, and rates are not good .... entirely down to the east european influx. Sort it out government, Brexit is not the way forward. Transport law enforcement is recommended, get rid of cabotage .Looking forward to retiring next year, sorry but goodbye .... Good Luck as well ...
I cut my teeth on Big Js with pretty much the same engine/box setup. Roping & sheeting every day, no radio and the heater was a hole in the bonnet. Life was tough but we were happy. Nearly every town or village had somewhere to park and there was a transport café every few miles so you never starved. "Knights of the Road" wasn't a joke then. I'm retired thank god and couldn't do it now, drivers are treated like shit.
Spent lots of school holidays in these wagons youst to sit on engine cover working indicator when overtaking . Never knew they were crash gearboxes until I started to drive them as a shunter many years later lol
It never smoked in the 13 years that i had her. It always pulled well too. I know Gary Kershaw did the head gaskets shortly after he bought it but I drove it when he put it back on the road and it was fine. I know of several people who had starting problems with 220's in both Atkinson's and ERF's. EFD always started first touch of the button - Gary should have a video of it being started for the first time in two years after it had been stood on the farm - half a turn and it burst into life!
Do you still own this wagon? It looks great and sounds lovely 👍 Takes me back to riding in these as a lad when my dad drove for Ferrymasters on Preston Docks, with both 205 and 220 Cummins . They were all six speeders though with back to front ZF or David Brown boxes . I’ve lost count how many times I’ve watched this just to listen to that Cummins 😂👍
@@Mr_b_yorkshire_farmer Ah sorry mate , I thought it was part of your collection. I’m right in thinking you own the nice Skippy cab Atki then and the Mines rescue Borderer ? Anyway nice motors all of them 👍
I can't help noticing a certain lack of comfort in this lorry. He who drove it 10 hours a day, must have been a hero. Nevertheless, I wish I'd have got an Atkinson. Thank you for the video. Please, keep it up. Cheers!
Drove one for two and a half years in the late 60s on long distance general haulage and enjoyed every minute of it, the comfort in the cab was luxury compared to the old Albion Reaver I drove before with the battery under the drivers seat that gassed you every day.
It was still a 205 when I sold it! Would I be right in thinking the 220 only pushed out 204bhp, the 205 only about 192bhp? The engine note is very different to a 220 and didn't have some of the notorious cold starting problems of the 220. All the service records and spec from the original owners was passed on with the vehicle and these clearly stated 205.
Brings back memeries when my dad wos travelling up the North of Scotland with the fairground me in the passenger seat but listening to a 180 gardner not a 220 cummins
The steering wheel looks like it's from the 1930s, but the engine sounds decades later. I generally prefer to hear a British engine in a British truck, but this is very pleasing to the ear.
James French The engine is from the late 1950's, and it was made in the British Cummins plant although an American design as you clearly no. The lorry I am restoring now has the same steeling wheel and like you say it looks prehistoric. I love it tho. Thank you for the comment.
thelanyman the Ford D series truck and the Cargo that replaced it mostly had Cummins power as well as an American nameplate, bit I view them as thoroughly British vehicles because they were unique to Britain and sourced from there.
I wasn't being pedantic - there were three versions of the 12-litre Cummins engine at the time; the 180, the 205 and the 220. This is a 205, not a 220 - that's the model, not the power output.
it is still a 205 now. well i think it is about a 120 how it pulls and how much black smoke that comes out of her. the engine is mint but is no fuel is getting used, so some one has played with the engine. not sure about the starting thing? nerver none of a 220 or 204 not starting?
thanks for the pedantic comment but if you read the title first you will see that it says 205 hp, in bracket, which is rong because all but a few was 204hp, right up to the end of the borderer production. when you search for a video on utube i am not sure that you would put cummins 205. thanks.
That looks like Hatfield woodhouse ? If so I'm about 10 mins away and have just bought a 220 cummins Atki resto project and may need some tips if your up for been brain picked!
I only used the clutch to take it out of gear when changing up or down ,the one I had was a bit newer and the gear lever wasn't as sloppy and had one of the lightest clutch pedals on any lorry I've driven. I wonder how I'd get along with it now after 40+ years ? Ģreat video, it brought back some good memories.
@@Mr_b_yorkshire_farmer good way to destroy the clutch brake. Even when double clutching you don't fully disengage the clutch. Nevertheless you shouldn't need the clutch other than starting out
@@b789har thank you for your comment. For one this truck was never fitted with one. It has a single plate beck clutch instead of the normal lipe roll away twin plate. And two I am not pushing the clutch down to the bottom. Also if you had ever driven this truck you would no that the gear linkage is very stiff, and almost makes the gear change un feel able. As for not us hung the clutch that is a complete myth. Perhaps on a twin split that applies but all other fuller transmissions are better used with it.
