The message about the children being the answer to brake this cycle of hatred and how are the adults the ones responsible for what they teach to the children. It's beautiful. We need to get out of the forest, even if we can't, we must keep trying. Edit: not me also crying watching you guys tear up!! 😭😭😭 beautiful reaction
@@pratyushgiri6416 spoilers for manga ending! I think you missed this part, "even if we can't, we should keep trying" The message is not that war and violence will cease to happen, it is that maybe they could, and as long as we fight for those values the beauty that holds in our hearts is true freedom A tragic ending is not the same as condoning violence, it conveys a sense of sorrow to make us understand the ugliness of violence
@@whoknows8139 Mr Braus never meant it that way. His point was that indeed Sasha had too much time inside the forest, which means she had so much time going to war and that's adults responsability. To teach children and new generations, to prevent the creation of future wars. That's why he doesn't blame Gabi, because IT'S NOT HER FAULT, she is a brainwashed kid. Just like it wasn't Sasha's fault, it's the adults who made the world the way it is right now. Not the children. I don't see Sasha's family being all happy because she died, in fact, they are mature enough to understand the situation and yet still grieve the loss of their daughter.
@@dandansfu Wow. That's.... I'm at a loss for words. Look, saying that one particular writer is good doesn't imply that other writers are bad. Yes, Marvel writers are good, and Thanos is a scary villain, and trying to make things into a competition when they aren't is a childish thing to do.
Sasha's parents are SO KIND. My mother's also like them. I experienced the so much hatred to someone more than a decade ago. My youngest brother (he's 11 y/o that time) got hit by motorcycle droven by a drunkard. My youngest brother almost died that time and so driven by my rage I also wanted what my brother had undergone be experienced by that person, if not worst. But my mom didn't even pressed charges, the person's mother cried in front of my mother and pleaded for forgiveness on what his son had done and that's what she did. I was so mad at that time but my mother told me to forgive that person, she knows it is hard but forgiveness and letting go of hatred brings us peace of mind. At first I didn't want to, but after a few days I tried and did what she told me. I just let what I'm feeling go and everything follows, I felt much better. She really is right. It really is important what parents and adults teach to the young ones as the young ones are the future of this world. If all of the people around the world are like Sasha's parents then we would have a much peaceful world to live in. Spread love and peace and not hatred. And I think that's also what AOT's message is.
Mr. Braus is far and away the best human in this show and has some of the most important lines in relation to the shows themes. Love his character even though we get so little of him.
@@whoknows8139 Tell me you're a dumbass without telling me you're a dumbass. Seems his whole speech went way over your head. That or it speaks to your character.
@@whoknows8139 are you implying he is a bad father because he accepted that his daughter gone out killing ppl and then that person's family killed her back. So if your kid did something wrong and suffered the consequence you would still take action fully well know your child was in the wrong? Is that not the exact cycle this entire show is trying to break?
@@lovinganother1546 Yea, user "who knows" twisted that speech in the wrong way and incorrectly paints in a bad light. Needs to rewatch or think deeper upon the speech. Don't worry @Loving Another, those with reading comprehension don't see it in the way "who knows" does ;) lol
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Floch is a great example of how good-minded people can radicalize themselves. Floch, of course, is mainly responsible for his own actions, but in my opinion Hanji and others in power played a huge role in his radicalization. Imagine this situation - your people are sitting on a bomb, time is running out and your leaders are not showing that they are putting in an effort to get you out of this situation. For example, Erwin knew that he had to motivate people to lead them, sometimes he gave them the truth, sometimes he gave them a lie, but you have to give people something. Once during the attack on the female Titan he didn't do it and after a few minutes even the vets started to freak out, so imagine this situation lasting for years, no wonder that people have radicalized and decided to take matters into their own hands, in the end no one wants to die.
Exactly, and the military was planning to just kill eren and give his titan to someone else as well, they acting like they werent already at war. Hange thinking they can just peacefully explain that they arent devils is just dumb, marley fired the first shot and hundreds of thousands died. Floch was doing what he believed needed to be done to win the war and keep paradis and the eldians living there safe.
Hard episode to watch, that monologue from Nicolo is incredible and of course japanese voice actor was unbelievable, so much emotion using just his voice I'm blown away
@@bungowan3400 I am the attack titan. in all seriousness tho I tend to go over the most interesting parts of an episode right off the bat, always stoked for the reactions
There seems to be a heated and somewhat hostile discussion among some people. Even if their comments are not always mentioning spoilers, I decided to delete all of them now. Keep your comments & discussions civil, please.
many people liked floch bcoz he became the devil himself. remember when he's trying to save erwin in S3? he wanted to save the devil bcoz it's their only way to survive. His character development is one of the best in AoT, from being a coward fodder to being the devil himself instead of finding them. He technically became erwin but different dream for their country (bcoz i think erwin wouldnt agree with eren by destroying the world). His leadership and principle will bloom in S4Part2
This is one of my favorite episodes of AoT. It's so intense, gripping, and the writing is amazing. It's so good because you care about these characters and what they have been through to this point. The reveals were great and Eren walking in the room so nonchalantly was just perfect.
The true MVP of the series shows his mettle. Sasha's dad is the only one who is close enough to a solution to this conflict in the whole series, or at least one that doesn't involve mega-murder. Great episode. PD: McNuggets incoming!
Niccolo may be conflicted, but what he said about them being filthy Eldians etc. was no more than a cover-up imo. I doubt they reflected his thoughts at all - he just had really good acting skills.
Exactly. You see it in gaming or even our most course speaking friend, they will go straight to a racial slur or insensitive /non-politically correct statement in a heated exchange or intense moment... and you know that is not them or their true thoughs about another race or gender or any low hanging fruit to disparge. I don't totally agree with the statement that there's a little truth in every statement that's meant to be a joke. It's not absolute,
I respected Mr. Braus before, but this is the moment where he became one of my favs. It's a message they all so desperately needed to break that cycle of violence.
This episodes message might be the answer to all of current world problems. Or perhaps a good start to solving them. The education systems all over the world hold so much power.
Exactly. Kids are the future. But if parents instill on them hate, then hate is what those kids will teach their kids and so on goes the never ending chain of hatred. I remember this quote from HBO’s Succession. “They fuck you up, your mom and dad. They do not mean to, but they do. They fill you up with faults they had. And some extras just for you.” We should have parent school. How to raise a kid. But instead we have money for other less important stuff. Sad state of affairs.
I love the restaurant scene with Nicolo, Gabi and Sasha's family so much, it's such an impactful scene! Nicolo loving her so much that he'd hurt Marleyan warriors to avenge her, but Sasha's dad being awesome as always and forgiving Gabi... Then Kaya - the one who's known they're from Marley from the beginning and still took them in, still helped them, covered for them, always showed kindness to them - tries murdering Gabi. Everyone is feeling so many emotions in that scene, I think this is where we feel the weight of Sasha's death the most, it always makes me cry because I can kind of understand all sides. War is just a really shitty fucked up thing that messes everyone up.
people seem to forgot that Floch was the only survivor from the suicide charge. you can't imagine how much it changed him. and he heard Erwin speech. "we die trusting our live meaning to the living". and he survived. the only person live. Floch isn't a villain. He's a broken character, he broke the moment he finds out his reason being alive. He's a representation of willing to sacrifice anything. just like Erwin. He's the true successor of Erwin, but with lack of understanding of how things going on. He misinterpreated Erwin
the thing with sasha's death and it being part of gabis arc is just beautiful, idk if any other character couldve had it work as well. you have sasha's parents who you would think should be devastated that the person they were caring for killed their daughter. they should hate her, they should in some way want her dead. but these kind people who looked after her and ben when they had nowhere to go, who shouldve stabbed her where she sat since they are just island devils, took away the knife and looked after falco after he had been let go, continued to worry for gabi even after hearing the truth. the heartbreak in gabi's eyes when the people she hated, the parents of the island devil she shot in cold blood, they showed her compassion when she felt she deserved condemnation. and then kaya, who knew from the beginning who they were, who invited them home, who protected them even when gabi tried to kill her, she suddenly snaps at gabi, wanting to wish her dead. to see the people who should hate her show her compassion and to see the one who showed them compassion hate her, it showed gabi just how wrong she was.
en realidad se trata de entender los personajes ,los personajes no estan creados por rellenar o algo ,todos tienen un desarrollo y desgloce increible ,la realidad y el contexto del mundo son muy importante ,hay que ver todo ,cada detalle es entender un personaje ,hay muchas cosas de las que ves a primera vista ,aca no se trata de oh este es el villano y ya soy el mejor ,esto va mas alla ,obviamente podes pensar lo que quieras y es tu opinion sobre algo pero no hay que ir a lo basico ,es dificil de explicar para no decir algo de mas ,solo que todo esta hecho con proposito buena reaccion
I can't imagine how you 2 reacted to the next episode called Savagery since you guys are very emotional. People like Floch because he will do anything to protect his people on the island and love or hate it he is one of the most interesting characters in the final season.
Still got a pretty annoying personality to boot, though. Eren actually has empathy for those he plans to kill, Floch couldn't seem to care less. Interesting, definitely, but not remotely likeable. I don't get how people hate Gabi more than him. Gabi was a brainwashed kid that took a little too long to realise that war isn't so simple. Floch's a borderline psycho.
@@gayanegasparyan4137 ahhh no he and eren both knew about that, both of them had to keep that on the low so zeke and Yelena would feel like they incharge, did u forget when eren said "wait" when zeke was about to scream? u have to understand that floch right now is the second in command to eren, eren does not communicate with anyone but floch, floch speaks and does the dirty work for him, floch cannot show no weakness or empathy for anyone, even his soldiers, he's playing the role of the "devil" his shocked face when eren told him his plan is evidenced, floch cares but he cannot show.
@@gayanegasparyan4137 What Comrades? The Military brass was going to Kill/feed Eren to someone to take the Titan away. The World is coming to kill everyone Eren is their only hope. So you would allow Eren to die and basically kill off everyone on the island
@@fahrenheit2101 The war is pretty much simple. The world is coming to kill everyone on the island. No talking will help. The Miltary brass wanted to kill the Island only hope which is Eren so people did what they thought was best to save the island.
I personally like Floch as a villain. From around this episode on he steals every scene that he's in, and adds a lot of entertainment to the show IMO. His actions and motives are also understandable when you consider his past, even if the end results (supporting global genocide) are not exactly moral
The point is that there is no right or wrong. If you're on the Island a lot of the ppl there will be on Eren's side because who wants to let others kill them? If you're not on the Island or if you're not Eldian you see the Island ppl as a threat or as "devils" because they have the potential power to kill everyone. It's all about POV, it's not black and white or Good and Bad. It depends on your situation. Believe me both sides are understandable and that's why this story is a masterpiece. I understand why Eren thinks this is the only solution but then again it's not fair to Onyakonpon and other innocent ppl. This whole situation is messed up no matter how you look at it. Floch is letting power go to his head and he's an ass so that's why i hate him. Lol sorry for the rant.
@@toamszkozak8822 yes and it makes me think they are xenophobic and love dictators. I can tell they are kids because they are literally rooting for someone that will kill you if you dont submit
"why people love this guy" cause is a really fun character like Cersei Lanister, homelander, omniman, etc... really scary/asshole characters but they brig a lot of dinamyc, is a must in every history and my boy Floch here is a really good point of view for a normal people in a SNK setup, just go and see tweeter, there we have a lot of people like him
King Floch is a meme you guys cant understand yet. Even until now floch's character changed a lot from the scared boy (before the suicide charge) to the right hand of eren and a strong leader figure for the Jaegerist group who is ready to do anything to save the eldia empire. Imo he is the most interesting character that isn't in the main group.
12:03 "Why do people like this guy?" Because Floch speaks nothing but truth since the funeral of their comrades after the Battle of Shiganshina, and guess what? He's the successor of Erwin, not Armin nor Hange. You'll see why everyone like and dislike him at the same time later
To answer your question, Floch is quite an interesting character. Sure, he is an asshole... But you'll see that there is more to it. Like you said, it's a great "villain", even if the word is a complicated one in a not-so manichean world like SnK.
I personally like Floch as a villain. From around this episode on he steals every scene that he's in, and adds a lot of entertainment to the show IMO. His actions and motives are also understandable when you consider his past, even if the end results (supporting global genocide) are not exactly moral
@@LoneWolf-xq4bs I'm a big Floch fan, he's probably my third favourite character after Reiner and Eren. I agree that the morality of AOT is very grey, with no clear right or wrong. But while watching the show it seemed clear to me that Floch was framed in a way for him to be seen as a villain. It started already back in season 3 when he argued back to the main characters, which was enough to get a lot of fans to hate him already. Sadly when someone is purposely framed in that way, most fans will dislike or even hate them.
Definitely one of the best episodes of the season. Any time they just sit and talk, expose the opposing ideals and listen to each other, it gives such great dialogue and tension. Prepare for the rest of season 4 to be filled with gut punches tho... it's a wild ride. Floch is liked by some indeed, personally I don't understand it as he's basically just an asshole to just about anyone, but eh, people can like what they like ^^
Why do I like Froch? Because from the perspective of the islanders, he is a hero dedicated to his country. The enemy has changed from giant to human, but nothing has changed. Don't judge by the common sense of our time It is not difficult to think from the perspective of an islander. Nothing has changed since season one.
Still an asshole, no matter what spin you put on it. His god-awful personality just so happens to really suit this sort of thing, since all it takes is to believe undoubtedly that you are in the right to get things done.
This is my favorite episode of this part of the season and the scene in the restaurant is one of my favorites in the show. Sadly a lot of people like Floch not as a villain but because they agree with him. I think they just missed the whole point of the story. Others like him as a representation of another point of view. Good character or not, I just hate him.
Agreed, the point is that there is no right or wrong. If you're on the Island a lot of the ppl there will be on Eren's side because who wants to let others kill them? If you're not on the Island or if you're not Eldian you see the Island ppl as a threat or as "devils" because they have the potential power to kill everyone. It's all about POV, it's not black and white or Good and Bad. It depends on your situation. Believe me both sides are understandable and that's why this story is a masterpiece. I understand why Eren thinks this is the only solution but then again it's not fair to Onyakonpon and other innocent ppl. This whole situation is messed up no matter how you look at it. Floch is letting power go to his head and he's an ass so that's why i hate him. Lol sorry for the rant.
In a world where everyone is flip flopping on ideals and philosophies, Floch has kept it simple...Pick a side and stick with it ALL THE WAY. Imagine a football team that stops every 10mins to debate strategy. Its not gonna work. Just pick a captain and go with his plan. Even if its a bad plan, the results will be better if everyone is united. This embodies what the military and soldiers are supposed to be. The goal from day 1 was to defeat Marley. The fact that they've found out that there's nuances and new complications isn't the soldier's job to deal with.
If the 'whole point of the story' is 'getting out of the forest' then I reject that point and substitute my own point; that's idealism at it's finest, and dangerous bullshit with the human tendency to confirmation bias.
Hey pal I think a majority of the haters of floch are just like that cause he was introduced as a wimpy character in s3 and suddenly became so much confident and had so much power in s4... If floch was introduced with the group way back in s1 and eventually turned out like this I very much believe most of the guys that hate him wouldn't 😄
Floch stans are the most bizarre product of Isayama's story. I can't understand how a group of people can misunderstand his story and the message he was trying to send so much
"Why do people like this guy?" I asked the same question. lol I even got into debate about Floch couple times. Then I just got tired and stopped the arguments. I couldn't change their mind so I decided to just let it go.
Floch isn't evil, he's an extremist. One that wants his people to come out on top instead of being self-genocidaI like Zeke. Eldians are the oppressed group in this story- marleyans are the oppressors. Him and Eren did absolutely nothing wrong Other than wimping out and losing ofc
I personally like Floch as a true patriot who can see the world as it is. You'd either do anything to protect your country and people, or the very same enemy who made your lifes a living hell for decades will genocide you.
"why do people like this guy" ah maybe coz we have for 3 whole seasons seen the atrocities committed against his race? maybe for a whole hundred years they have been caged like animals, have been eaten alive and children charging into hell so their families might live... you don't have to like him, but I and many others who don't have a moral high ground like the people of the "internet" can relate to him coz we have literally been by his side, watching and experiencing his struggles. i relate to floch more than anyone else in this story, Because I know if I were in that situation I'd be exactly like that. when in that situation and faced with ur race getting genocided, my morals go out the window!
yea that seems like a warning point of the show. when your existence is threatened its too easy to throw your morals away and justify even worse atrocities.
@@pooty195 exactly!!! It's easy for us to sit in the comfort of our homes and judge these fictional characters but in reality Nazis did exist and America dropped 2 nukes on Japan! You have no idea how low humans can get when their lives or their families lives are threatened. But in aot it's much more simpler, as it either kill or be killed, the rumbling was self defense!
If you take it into consideration floch is as similar as an loyal soldier to his nation and only want it's freedom knowing that the whole world wants the end of eldia and as showing true loyalty he's willing to do anything to make sure eldia will live
Wait there are people who like Floch? I mean don't get me wrong he's a good villain and yet another of the many examples in this show of how people become radicalized and a bit evil. So I like the character as a villain you can hate but that's it. He's certainly not done good within the context of the world.
@@wb6012 so because Floch chooses genocide himself in retaliation for genocide he's cool? Fuck no. I mean the point of the story and characters is to have this debate and think about right and wrong but two genocides don't make a right lol.
@@ericmicke4130 floch knows his responsibility...that is to save his home land and genocide is only way left ...and floch is thousand times better then traitors cringevengers
@@emperor-gn7vu I mean if that's how ya feel that's how you feel. To me Floch is an extremist, genocide isn't the only way and I could never back that sort of outlook. I've always thought he sucked. Like as a character in the show playing that role he's a good character but within the world I've never liked him, always thought he was whiny and ignorant. And I think Eren saw someone who was easily manipulated and took advantage of him as a result because he knew he needed some help to pull off his plan.
They will understand his character more and he is a great character but unfortunately he is not a good person. Understanding a character doesn't mean liking it. He is just an asshole as a character but entertaining tho.
@@LoneWolf-xq4bs we see Annie crying when Reiner ordered her to take off Marco's gear, than after battle of trost we see her standing next to some dead people and she was saying "I'm sorry" in her OVA we see that she have trauma after killing Marco and she is tired with all of this, she maybe seem cold but it's not true
Floch is not a vilain, on the contrary, he's a hero of the eldian people. We like hum because he's the true successor of Commander Erwin. He's just like Erwin.
Floch is NOTHING like Erwin. Erwin was charismatic and serene all the time. He knew what to say to sway people and never raised his voice, even when threatened. Floch has to intimidate people with a gun to make a point
@@V_i_vi_an I said he's just like Erwin. And not exactly like Erwin. I know there are major differences in their characters. But in terms of a successor. He's way better suited than Armin.
@@giovannijunior9642 I don't think so, Erwin saw the potential in Armin, also Hange and Levi think Armin is Erwin's true successor, and they knew Erwin better than anyone. I'd say Floch misinterpreted Erwin a lot, just see how he twisted his words (give up your hearts).
@@V_i_vi_an All they saw is how Armin can think out of the box. That doesn't really mean much. Erwin's methods were just as twisted as well. And he was selfish in his intentions. It just happened that his desires aligned perfectly with saving humanity. Unlike Floch. His interests aligned perfectly agaisnt humanity.
