Audeze LCD-4 Sound Review

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@metal571 5 лет назад

As Z Reviews would say..."FFFFFFFF". I also wanted to mention that although the HD 800 does come close in detail in the treble, the 6k peak still tries to force its way through any EQ applied, which hurts its ultimate resolving ability a bit, especially for those who prefer my taste. That said, of course the LCD-4 is an excellent example in diminishing returns...it's better to me overall, but at over 4x the price msrp than what HD 800s are going for on the used market now, that's a big investment.

@HenryFanboy 5 лет назад

I know hd800 is best bang for buck in resolution, I tried to listening many little nuances moving from 6xx but I couldn’t yet hear God with those. I’m hoping I can hear God with these LCD4s and their ultimate FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF resolution

@SoundWaveTrax 5 лет назад

but Z doesn't like the LCD4.

@metal571 5 лет назад

He doesn't like most expensive things at all

@mewyattt 5 лет назад

I'm a doctor for NBA players. I want the best money can buy, even if it only gives me 15% better than something that costs a third as much...er wait I'm broke. Never mind

@metal571 5 лет назад

Haha

@MFHRaptor 5 лет назад

This review merits wearing a formal buttoned shirt. Whole channel merits wearing a Hawaiian shirt!!

@ciscomoto 5 лет назад

Cracking review - good to see you so 'blown away' with a product - boys just wanna have fun too!

@BobbyBlackyy 5 лет назад

I love your honesty and detailed reviews,thanks!

@nohype-fi6468 5 лет назад

Metal looking sharp with that shirt! I bet he still has a slayer t-shirt in the inside though xD

@metal571 5 лет назад

Felt like using my work outfits would be more fitting of such a pricey headphone lol

@adamweinerog 5 лет назад

Awesome review!

@buonassi 5 лет назад

Metal... I find your reviews ultimately more helpful and informative than any other reviewer I subscribe to. Yeah, others can be more entertaining , but the most substantive reviews come from u man. Keep it up. Any thought on starting to review IEMs? Also, I wish to PM you about something. How do I best go about doing that ? I have something to share that I believe will take your EQ to the next level.

@metal571 5 лет назад

What can I say I have a specific preference, because if I didn't have a specific sound target in mind, how is any review supposed to be consistent?

@brianpacheco1927 2 года назад

@@provisionalhypothesis Metal, imo just gets to the meat and bones of the sound. A lot of other reviewers get a little too poetic and tripped up with all sorts of technicalities. He’s a no nonsense, fun reviewer.

@josesantiagoortiz5341 5 лет назад

Nice review bro.

@EnriqSandoval 3 года назад

Great review

@buonassi 5 лет назад

unbelieva BULLY!

@adeelzero1445 5 лет назад

Dope review 👌 That K1000 comment is getting on your nerves lately lol

@PartySpock Год назад

Top review👍👍

@skor255 2 года назад

I’ve been using the lcd 4 for a year now and I’ve found this review to be pretty spot on, though I think my unit might have an even more wonky frequency response than the one you had. The upper mids are severely recessed and >10khz is so boosted that it makes for a sound signature that’s both dark and sibilant. Voices sound like they have a veil and a hard edge simultaneously. But you were goddamn right about eq, if you fix the fr this headphone will blow your mind. The detail is insane, there’s absolutely no grain (compare it to anything midfi the difference is astonishing) and the bass is nuts even without a shelf. I tried out your eq as well as Oratory’s and ended up preferring yours - the latter was a bit shouty for my taste. My only gripe with the lcd 4 is all the damping that was done to tune it. This makes it sound a bit dry as opposed to something that’s basically got no damping like the L700 though that estat has a bunch of its own problems… Awesome review Metal, I’m glad I followed your recommendation and picked this up!

@metal571 2 года назад

You might have the dreadful memory foam pads. They make a better pad now revised stealthily in November 2020 which sounds much more like it should

@TheRevoR Год назад

If you have the new pads, try it with the Audeze preset in Roon. Absolutely stunning headphone! Ps. I prefer it to the Lcd-5.

@metal571 Год назад

I do as well, although I haven't heard an example with the 2021 pads yet. By far the best ones are the pre 2016-2017 original non memory foam pad units

@leyander87 19 дней назад

Great review, after all this years, do you think this headphone in 2024 this headphone is still relevant among the top? Is it still one of your favorites,? Personally I love it. Thank you!

@Juanixtec 5 лет назад

Damn Chat Closed just when I answered my technical take on the detail and resolution of a pair of cans... As I said before (or tried), Transient speed (and thus, detail retrieval) are mostly linked to high-frequency response, the bigger the bandwidth the faster the transients and thus, better resolution (if the FR is consistent). Although we humans can only listen up to 20k at most, a system that has a bandwidth bigger than that would produce better transients. That's Why the step response in the headphones is actually a really good and complementary tool to the FR graph, since One The Step response can show the behaviour in super high frequencies, and two, because FR graphs are pretty unreliable above 10k.

@kirjuschaks 5 лет назад

I would like to hear an akg k260/ hifiman he-6 review. The he-6 resolution is insane and I even din't use high end gear...

@jamespeck2638 5 лет назад

The extra energy you hear at 500 to 1k could be an artifact of the modern pop cd mastering practice of brickwalling the music signal.. This style of mastering to me sounds what like you are describing. The industry standard is substandard IMHO. Almost all jazz and classical is pretty well mastered. A quick easy way to SEE exactly how a song is mastered is run the track through an audio editing program like Audacity or AVS audio editor. I bet what I just stated does not apply to the music you use to evaluate, though. Excellent review as usual.

@andrasnelhiebel6726 5 лет назад

Not really. Audeze LCDs have a smaller than required running up between 500 and 3,5k (about 3-4 dB is missing at 3,5k), which our ear percieves as an overly exaggerated 500 to 1k sound thus making it sound a bit nasal. I recognized this problem a long time ago as well as I am not a fan of this tuning. This can also to a lesser extent can be found in the MrSpeakers AEON Closed and the K550. Check their graps. What you mean though is real with pop mastering but it is more on the 2-6k region, which is elevated to give further percieved volume. Lots of modern pop music uses it, and I hate it. But it is an equalized effect not a compression effect. If you want an example that is heavily compressed but lacks the lift in the upper mids check Beautiful World from Hikaru Utada (Evangelion 1.0)

@metal571 5 лет назад

This guy FRs. Agreed, and yeah the K550 has a weird 1k hump running up too fast before the upper mid peak

@bradbeck6158 5 лет назад

Oh yeah yeah, oh yeah yeah yeah yeah

@NiSHAN256 5 лет назад

I really want to see you reviewing the he1000 or the arya, I hope you could in the future.

@xstx8859 5 лет назад

I hope you can review stax headphones.

@ThreeDogShow 9 месяцев назад

Hey man, great channel and review. Did you ever get the 4z in to review? Never found it on your channel and was going to buy one now. Not sure which to get. What were your impressions?

@metal571 9 месяцев назад

Heard it at length at a quiet environment and it just doesn't hold up. There's too much tradeoff in detail vs the full LCD-4. I just wish they offered the LCD-4 in the 4Z chassis as a standard option, but supposedly you can custom order it that way if you want, which is what I almost did once

@ThreeDogShow 9 месяцев назад

@@metal571 so the LCD-4z is more rolled off than the LCD-4? Are they both just as dark and musical? Can you explain the differences please. Thank you for answering btw. It’s very much appreciated.

@metal571 9 месяцев назад

Actually the frequency response is about the same. It's everything else that is different, just less detail overall. Detail is not brightness or darkness, it's an independent aspect of sound the way I hear it. So they traded off this without changing the overall response to get extra efficiency.

@ThreeDogShow 9 месяцев назад

@@metal571 so they are both not bright correct? Both darker profiles? Last question I swear, and thank you for your kindness and answering so much.

@metal571 9 месяцев назад

Here's where it gets more annoying. It depends on the pads. The original pads which this unit had from about 2016-2017 are quite dark. Then there was a stealth pad rev in 2018 that ruined that balance and they became too airy, too much above 10k. This has since been sorta-corrected by another pad revision in late 2020 coinciding with the LCD-X revision at that time but I still think they're too airy now and this can be too bright sometimes. It's frustrating but that's been my experience. No idea if any more pad revisions have come out since then

@megazine 5 лет назад

Hope you get your hand on HIFIMAN HE1000v2. Curious how you would compare the two

@jim8643 4 года назад

1000se

@NaranKPatel 4 года назад

Have you had time to review the LCD-4z yet?

@morbue7575 5 лет назад

i know this might be the number #1 question but do you have a current fav. headphone ? i am looking for something with emphasis on bass (or atleast with decent bass), currently looking at the TH900, TRX-00 (ebony) and the LCD-X out of this headphones what would you go for (i am most interested in the th900 so far) also if you have any other headphone i should look into let me know ! love your videos ! (just found you!) :) SUBBED !

@x32i77 4 года назад

Get the denon ah-d9200, it will be your personal endgame

@metal571 4 года назад

Favorite ever? LCD-4. So this one. lol

@x32i77 4 года назад

@@metal571 well seems like you murdered my wallet 😅 . After getting the hd800 , the focal clear , the denon ah-d9200, I am getting now the AUDEZE LCD 4 😃 ( especially after you suggested getting the audeze lcd4 instead meze empyrean ) . Never heard planars before, I am excited 🙂

@metal571 4 года назад

@@x32i77 oh man. It's not often I hear about someone becoming an owner of one of those. So jealous. Please let me know your impressions on here or on Twitter. Always interested to see what people think upon first listen. For me, it was total shock. Unbelievable headphone

@x32i77 4 года назад

@@metal571 Will do ! Most definately 😃👍 Did you buy them for your private usage or you had to send them back?

@LordVictorHalgaard 3 года назад

Its very interesting how different people experiences of these are - right off the bat, I found the bass a massive disappointment; it was well controlled, which was to be expected, but it had no power, kick, dynamics or weight to speak of, like most Audezes, short of the LCD-X. I over all just found the headphons shrill/painfully bright, thin sounding compared to even the HD800; and with rather minor EQ I could get similar sound out of the 800, except with better dynamics/punch and soundstage. I don't know if it has something to do with the different versions/iterations/batches of the LCD-4 or whats going on.

@Tsuinami4 5 лет назад

Metal, at 4:30 you used the tonality of the 6XX as your reference sound. If I recall, weren't you using the 660S as your reference? Why the change?

@metal571 5 лет назад

I still have the 660S but as I believe I said in my review of it, even though it slightly out resolved the 600 I was using before that, the treble tone was slightly off, a bit more metallic but only a bit. The 6XX retains the same treble timbre the 600 has, but is slightly warmer. Hopefully that makes more sense. All of these Senns are quite close sounding in reality

@alexchng 5 лет назад

Dan Tsui I believe he was referring mostly to the 6xx’s treble. IIRC he wasn’t a huge fan of the 660S’ treble

@kirjuschaks 5 лет назад

The guy is pretty sensitive to treble, he even speaks about ringing in lower treble in the legendary akg k240df (which I looked up in a waterplot chart ws true) and this headphone never felt sharp in anykind to me (I am same age as him and have sensitive ears overall)

@stashmoneyable 4 месяца назад

@@metal571 Hey, quick question…Do you still think this highly of the LCD-4’s today (2024). Are the 4Z’s better/worse? Thanks, Great review btw!!!

@metal571 4 месяца назад

4Z is fundamentally worse, but I have no idea what the 2024 version sounds like. My favorite LCD-4 is the one before the 2018 pads ruined the FR of all Audeze headphones, and the pad that replaced that which shipped with the latest LCD-X revision still didn't bring back quite the original balance struck by the 2015-2017 pads

@ChrisKeyman 2 года назад

Hello again, Lcd-xc has better sub bass than this one ?

@vijayravisekar394 5 лет назад

Thanks for the review. What source are you using?

@marekkouril7134 5 лет назад

I think that Metal571 has a Topping D50 with THX789 amplifier.

@metal571 5 лет назад

Yeah I literally said that right in this video lol

@lmjpeter 5 лет назад

I really wish you could review the Sundara's and post the eq preset!

@metal571 5 лет назад

I've heard them, they're a minor upgrade over the 4xx and have a similarly forward sound signature, but for hundreds more. Wouldn't really bother

@lmjpeter 5 лет назад

@@metal571 I thought they sounded more refined with less amount of treble. Would EQ be similar?

@metal571 5 лет назад

From meet impressions yeah they're similar to the 4xx signature

@enkedo 5 лет назад

metal i need your advice to get right headphone as i listen to synth , rock , electronic and deep house music as i'm so confused to make right choice ?

@danielthompson4865 5 лет назад

musen dakhel Audeze LCD2 closed back’s. They are very heavy but perfect for your tastes in music. I’ve tried Mr Speaker Aeon Flow closed backs, Focal Clears, Hifiman Arya’s. The LCD2 closed backs left the most impact on me. I’m currently waiting on a pair of Audeze LCD2’s (non-classic) open backs to see how they compare to the closed backs. Also I am playing everything off of Tidal through an IPhoneX then through a Chord Mojo DAC/AMP to the headphones.

@metal571 5 лет назад

LCD2 closed, LCD-XC, and LCD-MX4 are by far the worst headphones the company makes. The LCD2F is a whole different ball game from any of that stuff. Would work super well with all of these genres if you are a fan of warmer sound signatures like I am

@jim8643 4 года назад

@@metal571 I know it's an old comment but since you havent reviewed it on your yt channel...why would you say the mx4 is so bad ? I heard its basically a more refined lcd x with a bigger stage

@metal571 4 года назад

@@jim8643 was bad because of what I heard from it at two CanJams in a row. Something must have changed because it is actually quite good now when I heard it at CanJam 2020 last month. Max Settings should be getting his hands on one soon to compare to an upcoming GX review so keep an eye out for that

@MisterChibs 5 лет назад

Awesome review and I’m now subbed to your channel! Noobish question, how do you change eq? Is it software based?

@metal571 5 лет назад

Yep EqualizerAPO, I have a video about it

@MisterChibs 5 лет назад

@@metal571 Thanks! I'll find it. Totally OT but If I'm going to go whole hog on a set of cans and have a THXAAA789 on the way, would you recommend the HD800S or something else around that price?

@metal571 5 лет назад

Depends on what kind of sound you want. Consider my LCD2C vs LCD-X video and my HD 800S vs HD 800 video

@MisterChibs 5 лет назад

@@metal571 I've seen the hd800 vs "s" vid but will also check out the other ones. I'm not considering the 800 because they don't sell it new anymore. Started with the 6xx and barring comfort, find them to be amazing. Very sensitive to the clamping though. Down the rabbit hole I go. :)

@rulerofrecords1 2 года назад

Hey Metal I've got a used LCD4 heading my way and in order to avoid the usual "meet your hero disappointment" I would like to prepare a couple of "proven" EQ-settings. I'm using Roon PEQ on a Mac so no EqualizerAPO for me. I will however try to transfer your settings to Roon-EQ. I will now display my blatant ignorance of most things EQ by asking "what about Filter 1-4 for you settings? Is Filter 5-11 all the settings used?" Anyway thanx and happy Xmas. Take care ...

@metal571 2 года назад

Oh yeah, those filter numbers don't mean anything and you can ignore them. The settings within each matter, that's all. This review I believe was also done with pads that are 2 revisions old now. It's critical you know whether you have the pre-memory-foam pads which I believe this one I reviewed has, or the memory foam pads which are basically terrible FR wise and ran from 2018-Nov 2020, and then the "2021" pads were introduced that are more like the pre-memory-foam pads after that

@rulerofrecords1 2 года назад

@@metal571 thanx metal - I think these pads on my (YES!!) 2017 are non-memory foam. they bounce back like too fast. Pads are in good shape but yes I will try the new 20/21 pads along the way. I've got a couple of EQ-profiles saved in Roon from the usual suspects. For now I try to listen to it only every third day so I go not get used to it and get blown away by the bass - man that bass - every time I put them on 🙂 cheers and have a great 2022!

@metal571 2 года назад

@@rulerofrecords1 oh if you got the ones before the memory foam pad rev DONT touch them, use them until they wear out. That is the original intended LCD-4 sound and the genuine leather should last a super long time. Should need almost no EQ at all, but if you want more of that bass you can always add a small bass shelf or you can add a touch of upper mids but these are world class headphones right out of the box with the original pads you have there. I think I went back to their booth 3 or 4 times to keep demoing this at CanJam NYC back in 2018 cause it was that good

@rulerofrecords1 2 года назад

@@metal571 Okay. I'll keep my fingers off of them. Saves me the experience of dealing with glued pads. I did fill the mid-gap and that work but from what I can hear toning them down after 10K is quite helpful, too. Just very spectacular headphones in a good way ...

@metal571 2 года назад

@@rulerofrecords1 not all of them are hot above 10k. With its original pads I found the LCD-4 to generally not be overly hot up there but each unit is a little different. Use what sounds best, presets are nothing next to your own enjoyment!

@ScareDe2 5 лет назад

My own experience with Audeze is that drivers fail a lot. My LCD2 has been sent back to California (was the second revision I think a 2014 version) two or three times for driver replacement and Tyll wrote on Innerfidelity the LCD4 has same problem. I also had the other planar the EL-8C which gave pretty good results but I did not keep it long also the pads were literally glued on the earcups and one was starting to fell occasionally. LCD are also neck crushing heavy. Customers service is best though.

@metal571 5 лет назад

I think all the LCD pads are glued as well. Definitely a pain to replace, but I think the LCD drivers have gotten a lot more reliable since the model range wide 2016 revision

@brianpacheco1927 2 года назад

Metal - would you say the LCD 2 Classic has more bass quantity than the LCD 4 or are they similar?

@metal571 2 года назад

All the LCDs are similar in bass level, it's the technical performance that varies the most

@brianpacheco1927 2 года назад

@@metal571 So you didn’t find that the LCD4 was more neutral in the bass than the warmer LCD 2F/2C?

@metal571 2 года назад

@@brianpacheco1927 they all have a flat bass region by design, just the 4 goes lower to like 10 Hz and below

@akshat3516 5 лет назад

Interesting opinion metal, I have never felt LCD 4 was all that detailed compared to other higher end headphones.

@Dinrog 5 лет назад

imo, the 4 just doesnt bring it up as much in the higher FR. My 4z gives me as much detail as the HEK, Utopia or HD800, even more so after EQ... Havent heard the Stax yet.

@Dinrog 5 лет назад

@@akshat3516 makes sense yea. good thing about all the TOTLs is that there's something for any taste and preference! i listen to alot of electronic and metal so the 4z with its slightly laid back nature while still resolving well is a dream ;) However i wouldnt touch orchestral with it.. other Cans are way better for that.

@ottoinct 4 года назад

You and @savagegeese should get together and do a review of a Rolls Royce headphone jack.

@metal571 4 года назад

Lmao and he can talk about how the treble of this headphone tickles his rectum

@EternalLife91 5 лет назад

Hi metal571, how are you and what did you have for breakfast today?

@metal571 5 лет назад

Gottahava Wawa

@jysquare2 5 лет назад

@metal571 I think it would be nice and helpful if you could've had first a review of the headphones without EQ. You do touch on it at the end, but it's better if it was touched on first at the beginning. As I would think most viewers here do not fiddle too much on EQ

@metal571 5 лет назад

I talked about exactly what the deviations were in FR from what I perceive as my preferred sound, and those are always generated by messing with EQ vs having none applied. Not sure what else you want me to say about that. Detail levels and bass performance do not change with EQ, only my perceived FR deviation. As I use basically nothing at all without EQ, that's why I mentioned I'm not sure that I can recommend it if you don't use one.

@jysquare2 5 лет назад

@@metal571 Understood. We're actually relatively young with regard to this "hobby", and have not fiddled much with EQs. Are you a Mac user ? Which EQ app would you recommend for Mac? Thank you, @metal571 Keep em' videos coming my good sir !

@metal571 5 лет назад

Nah sorry I don't know of a system wide EQ for Mac since I'm using EqualizerAPO and the Peace extension on windows

@maheeinfy13 5 лет назад

on the budget side of things, Logitech g430 sounds pretty good on my R2R11. Gaming headset that actually sounds good

@vmi4172 5 лет назад

How about a great headphone that doesn't need an external amp! Is that really too much to ask for in 2019?

@zblus 5 лет назад

Yes

@ClevrGrl 5 лет назад

LCD-X

@NiSHAN256 5 лет назад

they are called IEMs

@chrisjeong424 5 лет назад

@Avenging Angel So an SMSL AD-18 could power my LCD-4? woo wee

@davidryan5482 5 лет назад

Albeshr Yep, campfire Andromeda’s 😍

@Ripsnort12 4 года назад

Any plans to review the Audeze LCD-4z ?

@metal571 4 года назад

If you send me yours maybe

@Ripsnort12 4 года назад

@@metal571 Don't own, I would if I did though. I'm condisering the LCD-4z due to it's lighter weight. Would like to see your thoughts is all.

@metal571 4 года назад

@@Ripsnort12 yeah it's certainly on my review list. I prefer to get review units from viewers generally so we'll see if that happens

@xstx8859 5 лет назад

Can anyone compare this to hifiman he1000 v2 ? I'm very curious about the comparison since they are both flagship planar dynamic headphones.

@MFHRaptor 5 лет назад

IMO, the presentation of sound is completely different. All Audeze LCD headphones have a somewhat narrow soundstage, although the LCD-4 is trying to veer away from that, but also providing a roomy feel due to its lower frequencies preference. HEK - on the other hand - has a soft, delicate, and neutral sound, with the soundstage that almost feels like it's detached from the headphone cups in its width.

@hanszimmer5580 5 лет назад

is it good for gaming? great review btw.

@metal571 5 лет назад

HD 800 would remain the king for that if soundstage is #1 priority for the games you are playing

@cryptogymbro 4 года назад

What you do in your life?

@skylordsrebornpvpreplays5795 3 года назад

yes

@mathieudjoman6359 3 года назад

woo audio wa7 amp is it able to drive it very well

@SuperEnforcer88 5 лет назад

What are the headphones that you are wearing?

@metal571 5 лет назад

HD 380

@SuperEnforcer88 5 лет назад

@@metal571 Thanks!

@bigyeetus2866 5 лет назад

17:50 Kind of shocking how important EQ becomes once you develop the ability to detect nuance within a frequency response. Seems like higher end gear struggles with peaks and valleys just as much as mid fi does.

@metal571 5 лет назад

Exactly. I think many people don't understand just how special the tuning of the Sennheiser HD 6x0 series is. Basically nothing else I've ever heard has as smooth and a total lack of peaks and valleys as that series, no matter what the price is.

@bigyeetus2866 5 лет назад

@@metal571 It's particularly why venturing into TOTL territory is hard for me, regardless of how blown away I am by details and driver capability, I still yearn for the smoothness and inoffensive sound of the 650. I'm hoping the HD 800 (or S variant haven't made up my mind yet) takes as kindly to EQ as everyone says just so I can have detail and a smoother frequency response, while maintaining the comfort of a more lightweight headphone with low clamp force.

@metal571 5 лет назад

It does. I've owned my 800 for a long time now and it always surprises me how well it works with EQ. You're watching the right channel if the 650 is your cup of tea as that is my tonality reference for mids and treble, though I prefer a bit less upper mids than that

@bigyeetus2866 5 лет назад

@@metal571 I've always preferred this channel over others because of the analytical approach to measurements and incorporation of EQ with every review, not bothering to use EQ just feels like handicapping the sound potential of a headphone and I've done enough research to know that I'm never going to find another headphone that will sound like the 650 without EQ, and as much as I try, my ears will not accustom comfortably to any other sound profile (particularly that with more treble). It's crazy how important comfort is (whether it be physical or auditory) to enjoyment of music and sound.

@metal571 5 лет назад

@@bigyeetus2866 Sounds like you are quite far along in this hobby now. It took me years to piece all of that together and accept that EQ is not something to shy away from and that the Sennheisers are still unbeaten in tone, doesn't matter how expensive stuff gets. Here's to hoping someday we will finally get the HD 900 we are all waiting for, with the original 6x0 tone, LCD4 resolution, HD 800 or better soundstage, and significantly improved bass extension. I've been wanting that since I started this hobby

@ancorey25 4 года назад

I wonder the sound difference between the LCD-4 and the LCD-4z? i know the 4z are lighter and easier to drive but how are different in sound? Has anyone heard both back to back on the same setup?

@metal571 4 года назад

They compromise both stage and detail down to somewhere around LCD-X level in my experience. Not really recommended for 4 grand IMO. I heard them at home but didn't really deem them worthy of a review. What Audeze needs is to put the magnesium chassis on the full LCD4 and offer that as a lightweight non wood model

@ancorey25 4 года назад

metal571 Thanks Metal, ill hard pass the 4z. I don’t believe the weight will be an issue for me. I seldom use headphones for more than 2-3 hours max at a time. Have you heard the new Ether 2?

@metal571 4 года назад

@@ancorey25 I have not heard it at home. Max Settings and Resolve Reviews have a review of it though

@noxeal8963 5 лет назад

Hello, That's now 3 days my old Logitech G230 headset broke, and I would like to buy another one. I've already bought the Sennheiser Game Zero, but I returned it, because it has literally no bass. I want to use it for gaming ( all types of games ) and also listening music ( all kinds ). I know there's already a lot of threads like this, but I want an headset with good bass ( not like the game zero, where I couldn't hear/feel basses at all ). I do still think that Sennheiser headsets are really good, since everyone around me says so ^^'. So I would need recommendations : I don't know if the Logitech G230 was an opened or closed headset, because I don't really realise what is the difference between these two. Even tho I know that with an opened one you heard people and you don't with a closed one. I also really don't like hearing myself talking like I was with the Game Zero. So, I would need some help choosing a headset, and my budget is at ~200€ ( I can go a bit higher if it's for really good quality, but please help, that's already 3 days I haven't stopped searching :c ). Thanks, Noxeal PS : I've also heard about Beyerdynamic, but the headset I found needed a really good dac and I don't want to spend that much money ( it was the DT 990 PRO )

@Seiserism 5 лет назад

When is the focal utopia review coming? 😂🤘

@metal571 5 лет назад

Maybe after I do Verite since I'll need to have it on hand to compare to anyway

@Seiserism 5 лет назад

@@metal571 hell yeah! I really want to hear your opinion before ordering the Utopias. I'm coming from hd800s and I'm quite a resolution addict.

@metal571 5 лет назад

@@Seiserism the one thing you'll definitely lose is the stage from what I've read. But otherwise it's an upgrade. I own an HD 800 and always keep it handy as a soundstage and detail reference so that'll be an easy comparison to do

@x32i77 4 года назад

@@metal571 still waiting 😃

@Smood47 3 года назад

Metal can you review susvara?

@metal571 3 года назад

find me one lol

@jekken333 5 лет назад

While lcd4 is technically better than lcd-mx4, I'd still go for lcd-mx4 for 3 reasons. Firstly, it is cheaper.Secondly, it's 90% of lcd4's capability. Lastly, mx4 is easier to drive. Hence saving you significant amount of dollars for amps. Bonus:Lighter.

@metal571 5 лет назад

LCD-4Z is supposed to be even more similar to the 4 but easier to drive and also lighter. They have a lot of models to consider; it's kind of confusing even to me

@jekken333 5 лет назад

@@metal571 yeah I know, I hate it when manufacturers do this. However, among the 3 I think the mx4 is the best bang for the buck.

@Dinrog 5 лет назад

@@jekken333 especially since you can find the MX4 discounted sometimes by quite a chunk.

@enjoshi-godrez8775 5 лет назад

@@jekken333 the mx4 is designed to be a monitoring headphone. If you expect it to sound like the 4, you will be disappointed. Metal is really right, the 4z is the direct upgrade. Also, I'm afraid "bang for the buck" no longer exists when you're talking about 'used car' priced headphones.

@jekken333 5 лет назад

@@enjoshi-godrez8775 touché brother. Hahahaha.

@thesmallestatom 5 лет назад

Do you own a pair of Fostex TH900? I'd like you to compare these with the fostex th900. I swear they have the flattest response ever (th900).

@gilgamesh_the_god9403 5 лет назад

That headphone isn't flat lol

@commenter9703 5 лет назад

thesmallestatom LMAO you couldn’t have picked a more non flat headphone. That thing is V shaped to all hell.

@RyuMasterEX 5 лет назад

At the end of the day enjoying music is what it is about that's why I appreciate the LCD-4 an infinite time over the hd800. Also, try with a more capable amp/ dac? Try playing those LCD-4s out of your phone they will sound terrible, your $2k headphone limit is based on the best you've heard and hearing stuff at meets always sounds poor. Reaching the full musical potential requires optimisation on most aspects of the chain. A lot of the tuning you perceive is related to the synergy of your equipment which can massively change from equipment to equipment, the LCD-3 are like the HD650 on steroids.

@metal571 5 лет назад

You know that price of the equipment and performance are not directly related I hope, right? The THX 789 is far and away one of the closest headphone amps to being a "wire with gain" that have ever been designed. It sounds more than fantastic, and the LCD4 sounds just as it measures when used with this amp - definitively imperfectly in terms of FR.

@JioFreedOfOphan 5 лет назад

Based on the reviews I've seen for this and its current price, I would still be more likely to shell out the money for an LCD-X that comes with a carrying case.

@mikenoble8517 3 года назад

Thou shalt not bemoan EQ. I use a AME PRO FS with Audio Valve Solaris driving.

@metal571 3 года назад

The Solaris is a beast. I remember playing with one of those at CanJam. Holy crap man lol

@mikenoble8517 3 года назад

@@metal571 OOPS make that EQ ADI 2 Pro FS not AME Thanks for your reply.

@chungang7037 2 года назад

I saw these in a shop the other day, still near 4000 USD. Afraid to demo them as I would probably then want them....

@metal571 2 года назад

And now there's the LCD-5 too

@chungang7037 2 года назад

@@metal571 Yeah they said it will be coming in.....I need to leave my wallet at home next time!

@metal571 2 года назад

You can save a lot by just buying a 2021 LCD-X and EQing it. It does get better but that's most of the way there

@chungang7037 2 года назад

@@metal571 I wanted to get an LCD but to be honest I am unwilling to part with that much money considering how many people and reviews say one LCD X sounds different from another, and so on for other models. I was able to demo them, but knowing that the demo will likely sound different from what I buy seems a deal breaker. Also it is a problem where I live in Asia, I was warned by the shop that once a box is opened there are no returns.