Avengers Endgame: How History Defines The Avengers - Wisecrack Edition 

In other words: they believe that their theses on history are constantly being tested and challenged, which ultimately strengthens them as they're continually proven right.

@Wisecrack I would say comparing Thanos to Hitler is not a good comparison. Thanos for his "evil" only had one goal to kill half the population of the entire universe indiscriminately. Hitler on the other hand wanted to create a master races because of his butt hurt fucked up childhood and personal issues. Lawful Evil vs Chaotic Evil perhaps? Thanos has no view of class or race and care that once his mission was complete the sick would be cared for no matter who. Ehhh just my take on it. But great video as always.

Correction: "towards the ENDGAME." HONESTLY, this is a great character analysis of these arcs. Brilliant observations, cheers!

can you also correct the part about the pelennor field? I'd say it's a tie

Just a reminder Stalin and Mao were more successful then Hitler...

Haaaaaan that's interesting, nice thinking !

@@Cristalskulle thanks, now lets hope wisecrak offers me a job

cgi and more cgi and more cgi.....

Except that you are wrong because in this movie there is no progression of anything and is at best inconsistent with what has been seen before. Thor in the previous movie could kill Thanos but in this movie he cant, is ridiculous. Mcu fanboys are the worse, blindly worshipping any shit disney throws in their way.

Et Cogito Ergo Sum so you just gonna gloss over that he got physically unfit, and was mentally going through depression, ultimately making him unfit to wield the gauntlet and fight Thanos?!?! Did you even watch the movie?

Interesting & perceptive. Maybe the "MCU" is less trivial than I thought. Way To Go. ✌

i dont even know what that is

There are a lot, just look for video essay channels that are about movies and specifically about comic book movies- there are a lot of good ones, most of them also did at least one about endgame

@@matthewburr774 Comic Book Rant

Or pornhub.

Yes, exactly. Thank you for writing this.

Thank you! I was beginning to think I was the only one that saw this progression.

I agree this is exactly what I thought. He has the best films because he had to go fro. Seeing the world in black and white and after being challenged and changed see that he deserves after all that self sacrifice to have a life of his own.

Indeed ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9-w8N7Hke40.html

As a Huge Cap fan I agree 🔥🖤

Armies are just bigger bullies.

To bad he didn't stand up when a bully used his words As so far the other captain Caroll has been the opposite the unchanging bully

@surfitlive it was the 2014 cap :)

That’s not what he said tho..

The....US army?

Alec McInnis yeah Thor goes really un noticed due to his character being seen as kinda boring and then the drastic switch to being comedic but his character arc is really good

Too bad typical comedy Marvel decided to set his character arc up in End Game as a man going through depression after the fact that he couldnt kill Thanos sooner, have his weight be a visual representation of that depression, etc, only to completely drop the ball and have his character reduced to fat jokes throughout the course of the _entire fucking movie._ And folks still wonder why people dont take mental illness seriously. They completely destroyed his character arc, but MCU fanboy normies adore his arc in End Game because they wanted another Ragnarok Thor where he's a complete clown and the butt of all jokes, except this time, it's no where near as good as Ragnarok, because all his character development from that film + Infinity war was thrown out the trash can for lazy comedic relief.

Thor had the best character arc in the mcu besides Tony. I loved them in endgame.

I really hate how Thor's character to be a sad depressed out of shape god was made shallow by fat joke?

@@CelestialDraconis that's mostly true but something I noticed and appreciated in end game is that Tony took the issue quite seriously he still makes jokes but there not mean fat jokes he understood and emphasized with thor in that movie

for a second i thought i had another vid open xD

Why would he say that, he hates religion

RIP Adam "the Adam" Kovic. 2007-2012.

TIME STAMP PLEASE

@@roneyandrade6287 I don't think he hates religion, he has a quote from the Quran on his arm

And that nameless man became an Avenger that day

I got chills when I heard Cap say "Avengers Assemble" during the final battle of Avengers: Endgame... We live in #TheMarvelAge

He is still trash

@@human3213 And you're nothing more than a troll trying to fish for some idiot to argue with just so you can go on some sort of power trip. You're not even trash. Trash is too good of a term to describe you. You're the icky gross stuff at the bottom of a bin that hasn't been cleaned. Now get the fuck outta here before I report you for harassing others.

@@tcrpgfan I agree and kinda ironic that his pfp is a DBZ character a "true hero" that it is

You stretched It so hard I felt pain

@@pascalsimioli6777 just throwing it out there.

English teachers everywhere are proud of you 👍

@@pascalsimioli6777 that's what he said.

Perceptive!

Which one rhe ultimate or the 616 one

Good Idea or Bad: Get John Krasinski as Mr. Fantastic and Emily Blunt as Invisible Woman.

I mean I want to see a Dr. Doom movie as well

Married the hottest woman in the world but only care about science?

Seer Mayton-El this MCU’s version of Doom should be awesome

I loved hearing him haha

He is representation of crap. Captain bitrica. The spotlight stealer

@@human3213 Says no argument strawman

@@human3213 Wat

And the fullest representation of US propaganda

​@@twisterthemonkExactly. Capitalism

Megan Lambert Walkers Max Strong Perfect with beer Jalapeño and cheese Flavour potato crisps Extra hot 🔥 🔥 🔥

@@breadchips4803 pizza would do it for me.

Megan Lambert Meat feast with spicy beef?

@@breadchips4803 I'm vegan

Megan Lambert I literally put the kettle on

@surfitlive Asgardian guardian

@@davidsarmiento8060 Asgardian Guardian's Ass

Mister Cardholder We’ll see. Thor 4 love and thunder will take place before Guardians 3.

LONG WAIT to Guardians 3, right?

THE TRUE ARC OF REALITY: 1 + e^(pi*i) = 0

OH FUCK YOU NERD i don't want to see math in youtube comments

Thor should rather be y = cos(x)

@@anchanmario3024 They're not a nerd. They are just smarter than you.

Hulk: -y=e^x- y=ln(x)

Although I like your assessment, this is really a case of being low key for a critical mission so as to not complicate the mission further, hence the deceptive approach. It's hard to say what Steve would do if this mission does not involve being discreet, but I would think he wouldn't want to use "Hail Hydra" just because he's more experienced now. It really goes against his character...

@Christian Tompkins Well I knew that. I was just saying that if this wasn't in an urgent mission needing to be discreet, we would not willingly say "Hail Hydra" even if he knew it would make the mission easier.

@Christian Tompkins I'm not sure you understand what I said LOL

@Christian Tompkins Let me put it this way: Captain America knows this mission is critical, time sensitive, and needs to be discrete so he uses one thing he knows would accomplish this, by saying "Hail Hydra". BUT if this mission is not critical, time sensitive, and needing to be discrete, he would not say "Hail Hydra" just to make this easier. Just not his character...

@Christian Tompkins Yup, you didn't understand what I'm saying then. You're exactly saying what I said, but in reply to the original OP, I just added that it's not experience that made him use "Hail Hydra" but the urgency of the mission, because his character won't say that in a normal mission.

People love anything.

Et Cogito Ergo Sum what exactly do you mean by that?

@aydooknow that's what I figured but i thought it would be a good chance for him to explain himself and add to the conversation. But I guess not

@@VinceroAlpha It means that no matter the quality of any movie that is released, some people will always love it. Look at all the love Endgame gets, and is not even a good movie. Infinity War was much better.

@@CabezasDePescado why was Infinity War a better movie?

And Loki will maybe change himself by saving the (sacred) timeline ? What about the others ?

Talk about laughing out loud. Oh, that got me.

@surfitlive Technically speaking, all Zemo did was take advantage of situations that were already being messed up. He put a video there when he saw Steve and Tony were going to be in the same room. His only real plan was to frame Bucky and then show Tony a video of Bucky killing his parents. Everything else was just made on the spot and taking advantage of situations.

@@TheDeathmail True, but even his improvisation shows he's more successful than Loki, though I think Loki as a character got a bit of a raw deal in Ragnarok.

Noooooooooo Loki 😄

TheDeathmail You’re wrong. Zemo states in the movie that he had working on his plan for over a year.

Every X-Men movie is better than this.

@@Daniel_B79 Thats good one :P

@@Daniel_B79 dafuq??? I hope you are joking

Omit its a tactic people use to get a rise out of people, but technically it is his opinion so...🤷🏼‍♂️

20 fucking year..... so old friend can become peaceful.....good message just terrible work..... I did enjoy dark Phoenix.... while end game had 2 hrs of bullshit and one hour long fight......

He s trash

@@human3213 Nope

@@human3213 dawg stop replying to everyone saying cap is trash, it's sad

Well yes, but that's not actually contradictory. Keep in mind the most significant thing Yinsen said to Tony when he found out he didn't have a family, "So...you're the man who has everything, and who has nothing." By the time of Endgame, Tony has the beloved wife, the family, and peace. He had everything, except what it cost for that peace was too great. So in the end Tony sacrificed not just himself, but the ability to enjoy the everything he had gained. I think it also ties in to what Tony told Pepper later on in that movie, "I shouldn't be here. Unless it was for a reason." From Tony's perspective, he was living on borrowed time anyway, because it was his sins that put him in that cave, it was his bomb that should've killed him. But he was able to survive and become a hero, have a family, and see his Dad again, and then when the moment came down to it to save the universe...that was the reason. It was time to pay that debt to Yinsen for saving his life. "Don't waste it Stark." Stark died and lived a significantly more worthwhile second life than his first. Which compares to Thanos who when given a second chance with the Infinity Gauntlet was going to be worse than the first time.

Pighati😢

And that ideal personality development is the integration of ones own oppositional traits into a harmonious whole, as I recall.

Nice! Found out about Jung recently in the Immortal Hulk comic. Did a bit of research on it and got the gist of it. I also got a brief look at it during my College course. Very interesting stuff. Would like to hear Wisecrack talk about that with the Hulk, especially with what we’ve learned in Endgame.

Alan watts has entered the chat

Wiscrack already did a video with Jung on Star Wars: Episode 8. Probably doesn't want to do the same thing again.

Interesting because Jack Kirby just made the Hulk and Banner based on a combination of Dr.Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and the Frankenstein's monster.

Except he never blindly trusted his nation's authority. He literally stops being a propaganda tool in the first movie to go be a soldier.

He is fucking child.... what he did will cause inversion.Marvel arc is not everyone is perfect but they will be fun to watch..

He had a flat arc, that doesn't mean he didn't have an arc.

Amen to that.

Yes please

Would be great

Pretty sure they did.

@@M12GProductions ???

@@M12GProductions No, they didn't. It was Alien's Guide not Wisecrack Edition.

Joseph Campbell

Cap is not a flat arc

1800 captain bitrica is trash

@@human3213 Troll

@@human3213 Troll

yeah, he has an absolutely amazing voice for storytelling

My son calls it the Big Book of Norse God War Crimes :p

@@simontmn Can I get one narrated by Morgan Freeman or James Earl Jones? Neil Gaiman is cool, but is trumped by the other two. 😜

Yeah Cap and Tony switch sides in CW, Tony is the man trying to keep the team together and Cap is the reckless one.

"Naive Patriot just following orders" ... No. That is not who Chris Evens portrayed in these films. Everything he did he did it for others. Not for his country, or his orders. But for the good of man. At both the beginning and end of his first movie, he showed that he is willing to sacrifice his physical health for the well being of others. And he also denied his last orders when he went in the ice. No offense, but you got that wrong. Also, 8:26

Aaron Rachiele that was part of his journey. When you are young you are naive. I believe you are confusing naive with stupid. I believe you are also confusing the spectrum of his journey with what the character represents to you. He began as a patriot as well. That is the whole premise of the character. After he saw the corruption inherent in the system in Winter Soldier and Civil War he tossed his star spangled shield aside and removed the patriotic elements from his outfit. When he was a man without a country in Infinity War his attire was muted and the star had been removed. He is the spirit of America. When he helped rebuild America after the snap he donned the stars and stripes again. That is also why he traded in his futuristic, corporatized uniform at the beginning of Winter Soldier for the IDEALS his WWII uniform symbolized at the end of that movie.

Li-Li Mandragon I don't believe Cap was ever reckless. Where in his story do you see him being reckless?

I'm not sure Cap was ever naive even as you state it. "There are guys laying down their lives, I got no right to do less than them." Steve personifies the type of person who runs towards the danger, but he understood that it was danger. After he got the serum he was basically told he was too valuable to actually be put in danger. His patriotic duty then became for the purposes of drumming up war bonds, because it was the only duty he could do. But Steve actually wasn't the guy who follows orders even in the beginning. He actually truly became Captain America because he violated orders and went to rescue the captured troops, which shows the singular unchanging quality that carried him throughout his trilogy and through the Avengers Tetrology. "I never really fit in anywhere, even in the army. *My faith's in people, I guess. Individuals.* And I'm happy to say that, for the most part, they haven't let me down. Which is why I can't let them down either." Steve was always willing to violate orders to save people. In First Avenger it was Bucky and his unit, in Winter Soldier it was the world at the expense SHIELD but while sparing Bucky, and in Civil War it was going against the Accords and even going against the Avengers to save Bucky. Now one thing that did change, when he saved Bucky's unit he submitted himself for disciplinary action for violating orders, whereas by Infinity War he was past apologizing or asking for permission. Steve is patriotic but he was never jingoistic. He did however lack self awareness. Which he gained over time. But he and Tony are definitely the inverse of one another.

Damn you're spot on with my feelings as well.

Superman is fucked up trash and boring Captain bitchrica is no more different

@@human3213 bro you don't need to like the same things as we do, but you don't need to voice out your hatred either.

@@benl.4577 Yep

Hawkeye calls him the futurist in civil war

TheDeathmail It’s a continuous cycle.

@@FragmentJack Yah, it fits with the theme he mentioned... he just happened to forget that point...

Patricio Borquez And it’s great how they don’t disregard the importance of both. That’s why we need people like Tony and Steve to remind us of that, even if we might disagree. These two are fantastic characters.

It's like that infamous final episode of the Powerpuff Girls

I think it's because Marvel knows that in order to truly succeed they need to get people on board willing to work together and to let those same people actually be creative.

@@tcrpgfan Someone at Marvel Studios knows what they’re doing.

Wow...Of course the end of civil war never happend Why would we ever think about that?

Never, that Endgame fight was orgasmic.

theguyshadows 😂😂

Absolutely not, Endgame's was far better.

Are we having a...Civil War? Lol

Exactly. This guys doesn't know what he's talking about

Pelennor fields epic seige / feild battle vs endgames cluster fuck game of pass the parcel

Oh, thank goodness! Finally I've found a comment on this! No disrespect to the avengers assemble battle of Endgame, but the comparison was just meaningless. The entire ethos and tone and themes of LOTR is so very very different from the MCU I don't even see how & why it was brought up at all.

stop it! you gonna make me cry. Damn now I am crying.....

@@CircusOfFive I'm crying too.....you aren't the only one 😭😭😭💔

@The Bandog Excellent!

It isn’t even an Endgame video........

A song of fast and furious?

@Christian Tompkins I would argue that Goku transitions from Anti Hero to full blown Hero in Dragonball Z. Between the saiyan saga through the Freiza saga hes shown to be pretty unambiguously against the evil shown by the antagonists (Freiza is another good example of a flat character), and in the Cell saga hes more of a mentor, and then through the Buu saga hes the hero again. I can see where he was an anti hero in the original Dragonball series and even in the Tournament of Power arc in Super. But overall hes more hero than Anti Hero at this point. Hell, even Vegeta is barely an "anti" hero at this point

@Christian Tompkins ehhh, Freiza is more like an evil trixter now. In Resurection F they proved that they could kill him again, so they make a deal with him during the tournament of power to be part of their team. I suppose you could call him an anti hero in the classical sense. A bad person doing a good thing because of his own reasons and in his own way. But if you're going to use that definition then I would not classify Goku as an anti hero. Yeah hes naive and tends to care more about fighting than justice, but hes not a bad guy doing good for his own reasons. Vegeta in the Freiza and Android sagas (and the first part of the cell saga) is still not a great person, hes prideful and selfish but hes fighting Freiza because he hates Freiza more and he fights the androids with the good guys. Goku has never been on the bad side at all. If I were to use the DnD alignment chart for Freiza, Vegeta, and Goku I would say Freiza is a flat chaotic evil. Even when hes fighting with the good guys hes doing it purely for personal gain and openly displays his disdain for the Z fighters, even attempting to make other deals to serve his own purposes and throw the Z fighters under the bus. I would say Goku is Neutral good. Hes actually pretty consistent so I wouldnt call him Chaotic. Hes not true neutral either since its pretty obvious he does care about innocent people. And Vegeta goes from Neutral Evil, to True neutral, to chaotic neutral, to neutral good from (respectively) the saiyan saga, freiza saga, early cell saga and Buu saga, to finally the end of the Buu saga and Dragonball Super.

Yes his views of the world change, but in essence, his character has no change whatsoever. He does what you most expect him to do and he does it for every single circumstance. For both winter soldier and endgame, he does what he thinks is right. The only time he does something not super noble is the end of endgame, because he now feels like he's done his service, and that his time as a hero is finished.

He s crap

@@human3213 Troll

@@human3213 Ok, Captain America Hater.

Vulgar display of gaming i was just thinking the same thing, it really sounds like him but there is no credit in the description

@@alexgaffney6781 an image of him popped straight inyo my head as soon as i heard that voice. I didnt even realize it was so easily identifiable. That or i watch way to much google trends lol

Oh shit I thought it sounded familiar, nice catch

Adam was in one of their most recent podcasts so it probably was

I thought the exact same thing!

Thor would hopefully be back in shape again in Guardians 3. Let's wait for it. Let's wait for Thor vs. Warlock.

@@ananyanwu Why is his shape so goddamn important to everybody ? People are so shallow.

Thors arc doesn't really exist right? Since he'll be back on top in his next film

@@clydu91 because gods are supposed to be perfection

Snehil Shrey too bad what fiege wants isn’t the same narrative as what 90% of mcu fans actually care about

He said he hated bullies -- bullies LOVE telling people what to do. So that makes perfect sense.

Daniel Sambar its difficult considering the excessive competition left and right

We must all join together and watch the movie again. There should be a movement of sorts, where everyone gets a ticket to go watch the movie one last time. If we do that, me might overtake it. I know it sounds silly, but I think it would be fun to see Endgame have the well-deserved top spot.

2 hrs of bullshit and 1 hr long fight.... and you want it to overtaking avatar while at least had some story.....

@@campkira "of bullshit"? I hate ambiguous hate for the sake of being counter culture, please expand your mind to appreciate nuance and character in a way that isn't spoon feeding narrative. But as always your entitled to your opinion, just wanted to voice mine.

Why is it so important that EndGame beat Avatar?

People arent aware of what a flat character arc is The idea is simple They change others around them Most regular character arcs have a flat character in it They are usually the mentor type who have finished their arc and know who they are Superman is also a perfect flat character But yeah Big fan of flat characters They are inciting incidents on legs and paradigms all to themselves Cap america is a good example of their potential in pop media

I think a reason may be that people, myself included, find static motality somewhat unrealistic in a way. It is probably because I rarely take up what I would consider extreme viewpoints, but I find it mostly absurd to hold on to absolute ideals, as I think it so that there can be exceptions to any moral stance, but that is of course nothing but a stance in and of itself. To specify, I think that some of the most interesting plots revolve around characters being pushed to the limit and forced to reexamine their values in the light of the world which they inhabit, and that just isn’t afforded much by flat character arcs, even though they can champion interesting positions on matters all the same.

@@ttaaddoo111 when i watch a show like one piece or superman i don't go there for it to be realistic it's fiction

izarahiah taylor I understand your position, but I think it does a disservice to the characters and stories if solely taken with that approach. Despite being fictional, they hold value in our world, one where it isn’t as simple as that in the comics. But that’s why they’re so interesting, why it’s so important to have icons like Superman and the Avengers. We need to be inspired, to know that there is hope and goodness in the world, even if it might look to be sour and depressing most of the time. That’s why I have such an attraction to “flat characters”. They really help illustrate that point. I believe myth and fiction can affect and inspire reality, not just we to it. There’s a relationship there to be founded.

@@izarahiahtaylor7375 Surely that is a way to do it, but doesn't that approach also hamper you in engaging with the plots, themes and characters of the movies, as I see implied in Kevins reply?

Agreed

Cap morality does change though. He distances himself from the government, but also grows more selfish. The most selfish Cap is, is when the situation involves Bucky. He puts bucky above the greater good, because of his personal attachment to him and the past. Cap learning to be selfish culminates in his final decision in Endgame. He feels he has done everything he could and should have done and chooses the life he has always wanted.

Also agreed

Cap's attachment to Bucky maybe garners more sympathy, but it doesn't change his morality. Bucky is a victim and Cap is doing what is morally right by saving him. He doesn't choose Bucky over the greater good, he chooses freedom over the Accords. Bucky' situation overlaps this, but even then it's cherry picking because the only person Cap will sacrifice for that greater good is himself. This is mirrored when he refuses to sacrifice Vision to stop Thanos, and in Sokovia when he refuses to blow up the city to save the people below it. BW - "Everyone up here vs. everyone down there? There's no math there." Cap - "I'm not leaving this rock with one civilian on it." Being with Peggy is his act of selfishness after a life of selflessness. The man who fought enemies and friends, sacrificed himself time after time, was hurt, betrayed, and gave everything for others.... finally gave something to himself; Peace. "Captain America, God's righteous man. Pretending you can live without war." The arc of Steve Rogers isn't about Captain America losing his morals it's about Captain America keeping them as he becomes Steve Rogers.

mikeg155 Howard and Maria were victims too man, their murder should’ve been been brought to light not swept under the rug to protect one brain washed soldier.