I got to say a lot of guys are out there, throwing giant batteries, super high-powered motors, but yours seems to be the most functional, the cleanest in the safest job. Well done.
@@jasonmanitsas2770No, You are getting a better bike and cheaper with the new E cells. I would research before getting the Wired. Especially now they can't provide proof of them being UL certified.
@@jasonmanitsas2770I would check out the new release of the E-Cells release before getting a Wired. They did so many improvements over wired and it's cheaper, service is excellent. Even there paint job! They even water proofed the controller! Wired is now having problems providing the proof they are UL certified and it's not going to well for them. Honesty has to be number 1 when you are doing business with people! It will make you or break you. Always research a bit so you can make the best decision for yourself.
@@jasonmanitsas2770 I would check out the new E-Cells release before getting a Wired. They did so many improvements over wired and it's cheaper, service is excellent. Even there paint job! They even water proofed the controller! Wired is now having problems providing the proof they are UL certified and it's not going to well for them. Honesty has to be number 1 when you are doing business with people! It will make you or break you. Always research a bit so you can make the best decision for yourself.
Good video. Awesome build. I rode a friend's Wired Freedom last week and decided if cops start caring about my super fast ebikes in Vegas or San Francisco, I am totally getting one. It's a big time sleeper bike & an AWD kit like yours would be the 2nd upgrade I do (after a tire upgrade).
I built my first dual monitor in 2019 during the pandemic 1000 watt motor and a 1500 watt motor for the rear but I didn’t have the display I had a Violimart throttle I like your build it looks clean 👍
@@CitizenCycle925 initially I have been debating between 3 bikes I live and work in rural areas doing medical aid across my country Been looking at the Fabulous Shadow Step, Wired Freedom 2024 and the Wallkie H9 the Wallkie H9 shows the most hill clming ease till this wired freedom mod now I am back to being unsure which bike to go with
Absolutely put a kit together like that it’s already in outstanding Bike and now you just made it 10 times better please put that kit together I’ll purchase one guaranteed
I have a 24 wired cruiser and I would definitely be interested in an all in one box, plug and play kit at the mentioned price point (or less) for sure!
Sounds like a good solution to range anxiety and for the big hills we have out west, looking to order a wired freedom in the next few months Perfect Timing for the kit!
I wanted to do something like this with my Vtuvia Antelope- turns out it was possible but it would be about 6 months of learning and execution, good job. Lacing the motor into the rim was where I checked out of my project- It's great you routed around that task
I’d buy the WIRED Freedom (and sell my other e-bike) if you offered this kit. Wouldn’t even think twice. The Wired Freedom is the ultimate sleeper e-bike… and with your kit, I’ll be grinning under my helmet as I pass up all the mopeds (like I do on my Motorcycle(s). Do it! Give the people what they want. ✌️😎
Wow! Nice job; very interesting. I am going to order my Wired soon. A motor up front would only add to the fun. I can see purchasing your kit to add more power for pulling a camping trailer. That would be awesome. I would definitely consider purchasing one of your kits.
I want the recipe ...I have the bike that would be perfect for this ..... Lemme know how when and where ..... I really hope you do decide on doing this cause for us people who do not have the time to research all the needed goodies for adding a additional motor up front . I am so glad that you went the route of plug and play and make it easier for alot of people who are not too mechanically inclined ...... It is also alot cleaner when it is done right , just the way you did this one .......
I just ordered a wired freedom. It’ll be my first e-bike. I cannot wait. It says late may delivery, hoping that’s just a tell-em-late-surprise-them-early date. Either way I already know I want this upgrade. Awesome build, love the thoughtful design choices.
yes please put AWD conversion kit together ill buy one for sure I think it will be great 1000 watt would even be goooder. Thank you for your show I dig it.
Yes, I think you should make this available Citizen. I don't personally need one, but it seems like a good niche of the market to fill since you have already researched the component sourcing and wiring harness. Plenty of Kepler riders would probably like this kit also. But I wouldn't do it without first checking with a lawyer and creating a sales agreement that protects you from liability and especially emphasizes that the kit may only be used with an RST Guide fork.
You got the manufacturer to work with you on this? Wired might even end up buying the same parts and selling Dual Motor Wired Freedoms or Kits to convert them, too, that would be cool. There's certainly room for them to make a more expensive bike and still be within reasonable price. I've thought about what I'd want in a Dual Motor setup already, and what you did is definitely in that direction. Your rear motor has double the rated continuous power of your front, but they peak at around the same, which is ideal because you're going to be using the rear motor constantly and the front motor for periods of time but it gets breaks to cool down, so a lighter 750W motor makes sense there, but it still needs to be able to contribute enough power to match the other motor to feel useful, and it also gives you that redundancy, which is great, if anything stops working, you had two of those anyway, so you're good, just fix it before something else breaks. No worrying about getting stuck in traffic with a bike that won't go and is difficult to pedal.
fantastic video and job. i think you are underselling your price , which iam sure people will appreciate it, but you need to add in your knowledge and time spent developing this. right before you said the price i was thinking around 1500 to 1800 for the kit, when you said 800 i almost spit out my drink, my wife in the other room ask me if i was okay, lol. i would be ordering this kit the second you put it on the market, only thing i could think of , and iam sure you already planned on doing, is a video of the installation step by step, to make it easier on the installer, aka ( me ) . thank you for your videos and time spent on developing this amazing addition to the wired freedom. be safe and take care. much respect to you.
Thank you for the input!! you make some great points but i also want the price to make it very attainable for folks. And yes of course I would do a step by step install video on various bikes. :)
Go for it!!! I’m not a prospect but lots of hunters are using two wheel drive bikes. What you might consider is selling modified bikes. Look at some of the hunting bikes, they are pricey. That might be a good market segment to cater yourself to. Work a tiered quantity deal with Wired for their green bike, do some camo mods, drive mods and go for it!
I want one but I wish that it matched the power of the rear wheel hub motor so that I could just use one of the two batteries that comes with the 2024 Cruiser.
Great job on putting this together, just got a 2024 wire freedom, definitely would like to have the kit, please let me know when available , Definitely ready, thanks for all you do, learned a lot from your videos, keep up the good work
I appreciate all the videos, bike tests and most of all the modifications! I have an Ariel Rider Kepler and would love one of your kits. Let your Citizens know the details on the pricing and timing of availability. I want one
Definitely a cost saver kit. It’s a pain in the butt going the other way. I bought the Bolton Bikes (Area 13) kit and that saved bucks putting it in my Rad Mini 2018. May add to that with this but putting bucks into a new fork for my Hyper Scorpion.
I will buy your kit. As is. But I would also pay more for higher voltage controller and battery. Smooth quiet street tire mounted on the front wheel would be a bonus that I would be glad to pay for (including more $ for the best puncture protection). Forks are expensive, but a good twenty millimeter through axle strong front fork would be great. Steering damper? I will buy as-is, but I would also purchase your higher end kit.
@CitizenCycle925 Yes, nice upgrade. The only option I would suggest is for a regenerative braking option. It would be a requirement for me as the primary reasoning for my new bike's custom build was for regenerative braking on the front hub's motor to reduce brake pad wear by 95-99%. AWD, quicker acceleration, + the ability to drive the bike home if my mid-drive motor goes out or I break a belt are all additional benefits of the front hub on my mid-drive with IGH build. I especially like how you've kept the 2nd system throttle only. Very nice system as you've designed it, but the regenerative braking option might be of interest to those who ride in alot of hilly areas or for those looking to greatly reduce brake pad wear.
My goal was to deliver the torque power of a geared hub motor to the front wheel, i dont know of any geared hubs that have a regen feature to them... I think if regen is a main concern then the direct drive motors are probably more appropriate. Thanks for the feedback! what bike did you modify?
@CitizenCycle925 I actually don't have the bike yet and must first sell my current bike then start the bike build. If your main goal was torque you definitely would succeed with a geared hub with your project. My project revolves around a mid-drive bike whose 2nd front hub motors primary reasoning was to nearly eliminate brake pad replacements while providing the additional benefits I listed above. You can do regenerative braking with geared or direct drive. If using direct drive, the freewheel must be locked or completely eliminated and there are videos on RU-vid from a company that's done alot on regenerative braking motors. I was planning on running a geared front hub but have since decided to use a direct drive hub as I'm already going to have the torque multiplication from my bikes gearing to help assist the mid-drive motor. I stayed away from saying the company's name that is very well versed in regenerative braking but if you want me to share the name I will.
@@CitizenCycle925 thank you! I will definitely do the upgrade for the front motor then. Keep us posted. Great job on everything you do. Much appreciated!!
I was going to buy another battery anyway. I'm planning on riding the RAGBRAI, bicycle ride Across Iowa this summer and one of the days is 80 miles. So, I know I can easily do that with 2 Freedom batteries. With your KIT, I think I can get the range I want, plus all the other benefits the kit delivers... for the same price as a second Wired battery. No brainer, I'm SOLD! I'll need the kit no later than the beginning of July.
I believe the wired rear motor is 1500w...so it would probably be a difficult endeavor connecting the front 750w and rear 1500w motors to a single throttle. They need different signals to balance out the power. I have an AWD Grizzly.... But the motors are the same power so you can just combine the throttle signals from the controllers to one throttle. But having an AWD bike is definitely good for alot of situations.. and its probably saved my but from wiping out several times. Especially on turns when the rear tire wants to kick out but the front pulls it out of it. I just ordered the new Lyric Graffiti X but im definitely gonna keep my Grizzly for poor weather. Snow and wet roads are much better suited to an AWD bike.
I have the 2023 Eahora Juliet 20-inch eBike. It is a little underpowered for my taste with a top speed of 28 mph. It has a 48-volt 1000-watt geared motor with a 60 AH battery. I have been looking into doing exactly what you have done with the Wired so I can raise that top end to at least 35 mph when I need to. I live right off of US Hwy 321 and have to travel it for at least 2 miles before I can get on a secondary road with much less traffic. Today, a large diesel truck pulling a very heavy trailer with a large machine on it moved to the center of the road to avoid me and ran an oncoming vehicle onto the shoulder of the road to avoid a head on collision. The speed limit is 55 and he was probably doing over 60. Everybody is in a hurry. I know the Wired can reach 35 with just the rear motor, so I was wondering what I would need on the front to be able to reach that speed without help from limited rear motor. Any suggestions would be appreciated, and I would be glad to purchase an appropriate kit from you. The extra battery would not be a problem and would be seldom used for my purpose as I'm not in as big a hurry as the driver of that truck. Thanks, Jim
You should keep 60 v batteries for both motors. Pain packing 2 different chargers. Of course higher voltage higher speed so your bike will go a little bit faster than what you just did. Always good to have that extra battery in case something goes wrong.
Hopefully with the additional range of a 780watt hour battery you wouldn't need to carry the chargers.... :) also the 60v costs more and i didnt want to overvolt my 52v motor..
Hail Citizen! Love what you have done. unbelievable! My only question is, would I be able to adapt this kit to my Electric xp2 step thru?? Tc from Nevada
@@CitizenCycle925 Thanks for your response. Do appreciate your attention. My bike totally needs another battery, not getting a lot of distance out of the factory battery. The thought of another motor would be nice!!
This is super awesome! I’m Actually right now debating on buying a wired or another ebike which has dual motors in it. I’m on the fence bc I’m on the shorter side like your wife. Not sure I’d be able to comfortably ride it. If I do buy it, Id definitely be interested in a kit. I’d like to have a 20 ah battery for it though.
E-Cell at 146nm is the same bike as the wired Freedom at 138nm but much cheaper! Controller KT 60v 40A 146nm controller. Delivers 2400 watts of power while the wired Freedom motor is 2200w peak! Or buy the dual motor monarch!
I’ve seen the reviews for the ecell five star. A lot of similarities but it’s not supposed to come out until late spring early summer. No one has even test rode it yet. I actually can pick up the wired freedom and don’t have to ship it, So no shipping costs for me 🎉. Just got to pay Uncle Sam 💰. Wish I were taller 😂
Resellable AWD Kit, sure...great job. You can't stop now. It's only 85% complete. It's not done till you merge the displays and front/rear selector switch like the Grizzly. One more month, then Celebrate‼️ Next project dual 45A controllers on your Grizzly ‼️ 🤜🤯🤛
Cool, but I don't think it is a good setup. Separate batteries is ok. Controller that limits front wheel rpm to rear wheel rpm is almost essential to dual motor ebike, and then single throttle, PAS response will work well. Once you are willing to add the weight of a front motor, and extra battery, it can be a small battery as you have, but DD regen motor is great, and if rpm-based smart control of front motor isn't possible, then PAS settings of 3 5 7 9 on 9 pas system, and dismissing as useless any bike that doesn't support 9 pas levels (unfortunate deficiency of current KT controller wired freedom uses) is another way of managing front wheel power and front battery drain. Manufacturers getting their act together should happen. Having unusable PAS controls on your bike by putting them at the center implies some suburban max speed only ebike use that is completely unrealistic for most people/riders, though torque sensor ebikes can work for control at the expense of range. Thanks very much for your efforts though. I think $800 would be a fair price for some people to enhance their ebike. But I'm still waiting for the right full product. Your demos are terrible for not manually avoiding wheel spin in order to gain 0.1 seconds on time. ie. the only possible advantage of not integrating a single throttle/pas system. Completely inexplicable why you demonstrate failure in every video, including one with a sales pitch.
i'm ordering a (green) Freedom tomorrow (~2 month backlog?) This is a perfect solution, count me in, as that'd make it the most badass bike in my KS time zone.
E-Cell at 146nm is the same bike as the wired Freedom at 138nm but much cheaper! Controller KT 60v 40A 146nm controller. Delivers 2400 watts of power while the wired Freedom motor is 2200w peak!
Not sure if they will ever build AWD bikes, but even if they do, that doesnt fill the need of folks who already have a bike they like and want to convert it. :)
Yes, I'd definitely be interested, - IF I had a FAT bike, and IF I hadn't, just 2 weeks ago, converted my original 288W 35V 8Ah folding mountain bike to a 1200W 48V 20Ah bike! Still on 26 x 1.95 tires, mainly because of less rolling resistance, AND the ability to get it onto the bike rack of public bus transportation here in LA. However, I may have miscalculated my strength a tiny bit, as the battery itself weighs a 17lb, plus the beefier bigger hub motor … I'm fit, yet already in my sixties ;-) I guess I'll have to beat the bus anyways, it's way easier now! I let a couple of my friends (who have powerful eBikes themselves) ride my renewed, upgraded bike, and they came back with a big grin on their faces, saying: "Man, that's really fast! Congratulations." and "Wow, That's fast. I want one of those too now!" Keep up your good work! Thx!
When you said it needs a certain type of fork in order for it to work properly... don't know if my fork could handle the torque. Have to research on that but lets say I'm still semi-interested.
