AyaNeo Air 1S/AyaNeo 2S Review - Faster Than Steam Deck/ROG Ally? Ryzen 7 7840U Tested

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AyaNeo's new Air 1S console combines the power of AMD's Ryzen 7840U with a tiny form factor and an AMOLED screen to produce a unique piece of handheld hardware, while the AyaNeo 2S offers a larger, LCD-based alterative with more flexibility on power. How well do they handle games? How much faster are they than Steam Deck? How does the 7840U in the new AyaNeo handhelds compare with the Z1 Extreme in the ROG Ally? We had so many questions on this one, and here's where you get some answers!
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00:00 Introduction
02:50 Benchmarking Introduction
04:59 Benchmarks: The 15W Shoot-Out
09:59 Benchmarks: Ryzen 7 7840U Power Scaling
14:17 Benchmarks: Max Portable Perf - 'Battery Life Be Damned'
15:55 Benchmarks: Far Cry 2 at 10W
16:50 Benchmarks: Summary
17:21 Gameplay Introduction
18:25 Gameplay: Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart
20:17 Gameplay: The Last of Us Part 1
21:47 Gameplay: Marvel's Spider-Man Miles Morales
23:14 Gameplay: A Plague Tale: Requiem
24:32 Gameplay: Forza Horizon 5
25:49 Gameplay: Cyberpunk 2077
27:27 Gameplay: Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition
28:41 Gameplay: Remnant 2
29:49 Gameplay: Returnal
30:35 Gameplay Summary
31:40 AyaNeo vs ROG Ally
32:52 And Now, The Conclusion

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@V3ntilator 9 месяцев назад

The problem with Aya Neo is that 1 day after you get one, they announce a new faster model again. Aya Neo is kind of the new Sega.

@fafski1199 9 месяцев назад

Yep, There's been so many of them in such a short timespan, that I'm now completely and utterly confused as to which one is which and what order they got released in. There's just been far too many of them and most of them weren't even needed.

@vikram5491 9 месяцев назад

No software support as well.

@shadowthehedgehog181 9 месяцев назад

Plus they're quite expensive as fuck. And least Steam Deck and kind of the Ally are more affordable

@V3ntilator 9 месяцев назад

@@fafski1199Yeah. I have no clue about the difference either and i don't care, because there is probably a new model already after i wrote this. Steam Deck and Asus Rog Ally is a better choice. Lenovo is probably close to get their PC handheld out too, and they don't make a new model all the time either.

@V3ntilator 9 месяцев назад

@@shadowthehedgehog181Yeah. Aya Neo may die out later, because the competition globally starts when Lenovo get their PC handheld out. Acer is probably secretly making a "Predator" too for the mass market. With huge brands you also get local warranty unlike with Aya Neo.

@dsa1979 9 месяцев назад

I prefer Valve's policy of releasing just one device. Easier to support until the next one comes out later on, instead of releasing 3 devices every year...

@ahmedp8009 9 месяцев назад

I don't understand Aya's logic here, but it doesn't inspire confidence. Perhaps they're too excited? maybe too successful? feeling too confident? no idea. How are they planning to support all those models and skus? Honestly I would feel salty If I bought one Aya just for them to announce a better model couple of months later (which is why I am satisfied with my Steam Deck). I know they are relatively new company lacking experience, regardless, they should've looked at Sony, Nintendo and Xbox, or if they had to have multiple models, just copy Apple's strategy, fewer models, better support, happier customers. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

@Ricky-SC 9 месяцев назад

More like 7 devices per year... They are just spitting out anything they could to gain more popularity, without too much care of long-term supporting one specific device, I think. Spreading their fishing net as wide as they can, catching as many fish as they can

@NeroVingian40 9 месяцев назад

If you needed an explanation for it, well, they’re doing it so that they can keep sales going consistently throughout the year. Valve doesn’t have to do this since their revenue mainly comprised of Steam sales, and smartphone companies like Apple and Samsung don’t have to either since they sell millions of devices per generation. For companies like Ayaneo and the likes, they have to keep selling new devices because granted, each device doesn’t really sell enough numbers in the first place. Selling new devices is probably the only way for them to keep revenue flow consistent enough to keep their company afloat.

@mrpositronia 9 месяцев назад

Steam Deck is going to have a great time running Starfeld. The same as these Handhelds. Give them another 2 years and they will be consigned to the storage cupboard, because the PC gaming scene will have moved on some more.

@soundwave2481 7 месяцев назад

Well this didn't age well...

@mayen67 9 месяцев назад

I think there's is definitely a market for more pocket friendly portable pc gaming units like the 1s here. A portable pc that can play modern games the size of a switch lite is impressive.

@memo29b 9 месяцев назад

Thanks for pointing out the half-rate adaptive Sync tip from Special K. Useful info.

@phrozac 9 месяцев назад

Crazy how many skus Aya Neo is releasing. Reminds me of 90s era Sega. I'll just wait for the Steam Deck 2 as the support Valve is giving the Deck inspires much confidence in the platform.

@aL3891_ 10 месяцев назад

Kind of crazy that you can play cyberpunk at 30 fps on the go... these devices have significant compromises, but still.. pretty awesome

@haysen123 9 месяцев назад

Wait, how did u comment 3 days ago, while the video only showed up 15 mins ago?

@soraaoixxthebluesky 9 месяцев назад

@@haysen123Patreon members I suppose

@ruekurei88 9 месяцев назад

Switch 2 will likely get a port running at 30fps. Gonna be interesting putting it up against all these when DF does a tech review.

@JackoWillMakeLives-loveu 9 месяцев назад

@@ruekurei88sorry man but Switch 2 won’t even sniff these performance benchmarks.

@oo--7714 9 месяцев назад

@@JackoWillMakeLives-loveu better than a deck probably, as good as the 7840u/ryzen extreme no. The cpu in the deck is a bit slow, slower than an i3 1215u, cpus in phones like in the snapdragon 7 gen 2 are faster and have a similar amount of tflops in the graphics department. And those phones cost $250. I say this as a person who has the steam deck.

@Goalier95 9 месяцев назад

Beautiful handhelds, but I’m waiting for next month when the Lenovo Legion Go releases.

@iamlegend68 9 месяцев назад

AyaNeo's biggest issue is price. The AyaNeo 2 starts at $1,099 so 2S is likely to be more than this. It's a hard sell when you have SD and ROG Ally much cheaper. Legion GO launches Oct 2023 which will be another player in the handheld space.

@sunyavadin 9 месяцев назад

I always get the early bird pricing on their Indiegogo campaigns. Generally 25% less than retail. Worth it if you know you want one.

@sunyavadin 9 месяцев назад

I always get the early bird pricing on their Indiegogo campaigns. Generally 25% less than retail. Worth it if you know you want one.

@PantsaBear 9 месяцев назад

Legion Go looks awful lol

@Emma_madison 9 месяцев назад

@@PantsaBearplease

@aa-yt7wo 9 месяцев назад

Would be nice if Ally had options to ship with 2TB drive and more RAM and bigger battery. Adding a 2TB 2230 nvme drive adds to the cost of the ally. I don't even know what Asus was thinking with the non-extreme version of the CPU. Only $100 less to lose 2 CPU cores and nearly all of the GPU performance. Who is that for?

@76sagman 9 месяцев назад

thanks Richard. been wanting a handheld DF compare.

@xDARKSHADEx 9 месяцев назад

I really just want Steam Deck Pro, just like a slightly more premium version with either a better IPS or OLED display and further hardware refinement

@Jaxv3r 9 месяцев назад

They said would do a battery upgrade or a screen upgrade, but not a hardware upgrade soon

@haseen5286 9 месяцев назад

@@Jaxv3rsteam deck 2 is meant to come in 2025

@jeevejavari8461 9 месяцев назад

@@haseen5286Thats a good amount of time for the device. I'm glad they're taking their time, letting devs and the community really get a handle on the machine. I just hope whatever custom chip they go with is another efficiency king 🤴

@hairypancake4425 9 месяцев назад

I’ll jump if Valve pulls 7640U

@Jaxv3r 9 месяцев назад

@@haseen5286 who said that Valve themselves? That's just rumors right now

@AncestorDigital 9 месяцев назад

Digital Foundry team, great content! It was what I was looking for , thank you ❤ cheers

@freetownJoe 9 месяцев назад

Thank you reviewing these Rich

@Gaming_Vegan_Ape 9 месяцев назад

Very intriguing. I might grab one of these.

@domantasl 9 месяцев назад

While looking at the Forza segments (15:15, for example), I realized that it's a bit hard to see the numbers up top clearly and they could use some shaded background to help with that. Great review otherwise. It's really interesting and exciting to see the handheld marked become so popular and even crowded since the Steam Deck came out. It used to be too expensive and now it's relatively approachable (SD still being the absolute price leader).

@Space_Reptile 9 месяцев назад

i would suggest adding Amored Core 6 to the benchmark line, its incredibly well optimized and is just a wonderful showcase of how games could run if effort is put into making them run well

@thewildnine40 9 месяцев назад

It runs amazing on steam deck. Most things do so idk why people say otherwise. I have physical experience with my steam deck and 90+ games that are on it. Most are AAA games and run absolutely amazing.

@alumlovescake 9 месяцев назад

Maybe because its not a very good looking game, with no improvement's over console?

@Space_Reptile 9 месяцев назад

@@alumlovescake i think its a good looking game, its not pushing the boundaries sure, but its possibly one of the best optimized AAA titles in recent years

@TatsuyaWow 8 месяцев назад

how about emulator

@swarming1092 9 месяцев назад

Love seeing DF focus on some of these handhelds. AyaNeo, Ambernic, Ayn, and others are pretty fascinating. In the West, China is often associated with cheap and low quality - but the products coming out of these companies seem to be managing to be both high quality and cheaper than Western alternatives. I have a little Ambernig RG350m and I've found it absolutely delightful for revisiting GBA games from my childhood - the build quality, screen, and scope of software support via custom OS etc. is stunning.

@krzysztof6591 9 месяцев назад

Yeah no. They are produced fast, with issues that are never solved until next release, etc. They lack long term support, quality care etc.

@L91 9 месяцев назад

Aya Neo 2S is nearly 1.7x the price of the ROG Ally. Instant, noooo. The 64GB + NVME hotswap Steamdeck is about 40% cheaper than Ally or 256GB version. If you can snag a refurbished unit, we'll 😮

@DocGG_VT 9 месяцев назад

Yeah I agree the price is too high to be competitive. I bought a second hand Ayaneo 2 for like 500 and I love it for around that price. They need to find the perfect mix between price to performance.

@melxb 9 месяцев назад

that's why u gotta get them at early bird pricing, but there's at least the rog and lenovo legion also coming at 699, for what u get, it's a steal

@DocGG_VT 9 месяцев назад

@@melxb early bird for the Ayaneo 2/2s was still 950 at its cheapest which is still like 250 higher than the ROG Ally. Only the Geek 1s at its lowest configuration was the same price but that has similar specs and a worse screen so why even choose it. Ayaneo really needs to reevaluate their pricing.

@doyouthinkitsdead 9 месяцев назад

Nice one man. These devices are fascinating

@joseijosei 9 месяцев назад

It's SO FUNNY that you guys show both Spiderman and The Last Of Us at the same time during the intro, just after the Playstation Portal drama.

@82588LukeAriel 9 месяцев назад

Just got a base model Geek 1s this week (16 gb ram/512gb ssd/ 800p screen) and I've been quite enjoying it. Great video!

@1gta4gta 7 месяцев назад

Noise?

@82588LukeAriel 7 месяцев назад

I game with headphones, so I don't really notice it. Doesn't seem bad.

@GeraldTN06 9 месяцев назад

How quickly these things are outdated is HORRIFYING

@EnkiduSA17 9 месяцев назад

18 months and SD still in the conversation is really impressive

@gman3563 9 месяцев назад

I found that making a manual profile on the rog set to 20w for all sliders it really balances the power and performance

@GarydeBrown 9 месяцев назад

You guys should do an updated review on the Ally. The latest updates have it running so well on every AAA game I throw at it.

@aa-yt7wo 9 месяцев назад

What do you have the GPU memory size set at?

@stevedave7617 9 месяцев назад

The new driver has caused all kinds of stuttering for me. I went back to the old one.

@LeeroyJanky 9 месяцев назад

My first handheld PC was the Aya Neo 2021. They've come a LONG way in just two years; it's hard to comprehend. That said, since then, I got a Steam Deck and an ROG Ally. Not sure I'll ever go back to an Aya Neo. I LOVE my ROG Ally. Even the Steam Deck is getting passed over in favor of the Ally thanks to the VRR screen and never having to worry about compatibility. (I have a few working brain cells left, so navigating Windows on a handheld is no issue at all)

@SicSemperBeats 9 месяцев назад

the 1s is the only one that even slightly interests me. The optimization and simplicity of the steam deck is hard to beat but OLED is the most requested feature and I wish mine had it. The 1s seems great

@eSKAone- 9 месяцев назад

It also has hall sensors in triggers and stick, so no stick drift 🌌💟☮️

@gugic42 9 месяцев назад

For me it's mostly size, steam deck is HUGE. Already have 1s in my hands and really disappointed by the windows, not by the device. Windows is really letting it down. Don't know yet if I would sell it and get back to steam deck. Experience is so much smoother on the deck.

@SicSemperBeats 9 месяцев назад

@@gugic42 Yea man I dual boot windows on my deck and think "man, microsoft should make a version of windows specifically for windows handhelds." Having near the optimization of steamos with the openness of windows would be a gamechanger

@harleyofallthings 6 месяцев назад

@@gugic42you can attempt to install chimeraos, a modded steamos for other handhelds

@phoenixlounge7656 6 месяцев назад

@@SicSemperBeats It's coming, I promise

@matsv201 9 месяцев назад

Steam deck is kind of impressive, being pretty old and quite cheap, still preforming very well

@cbrunhaver 9 месяцев назад

Valve is subsidizing the price because they make money on game sales. They are also offering a massive amount of software support

@matsv201 9 месяцев назад

@@cbrunhaver valve is probobly not playing very much money for each die. Just like ms and Sony they have a bulk license. So they payed a huge upfront cost for the first die then just a small license fee for each following die. The die isn't especially large, so the manufacturing cost for it is probobly just in the $20-30 range, if even that. Might be down to $10 now when the lithography starting to get old. I bet you valve is doing a net margin profit even for the lowest end model. Sure if we share the up front cost evenly over the range, the cheap one is probobly taking a hit. But that is not really how the industry works.

@cbrunhaver 9 месяцев назад

@@matsv201 well, Gaben described the lowest priced model as “painful” so I doubt that the hardware on its own is profitable and they are looking at it as an investment in this new ecosystem and the resulting game sales.

@matsv201 9 месяцев назад

@@cbrunhaver we have the lowest model. After a ssd upgrade its a greatw machine.

@DennisJDoesVoice 9 месяцев назад

Pretty old?! Didn't it come out like a few weeks ago or something?

@melxb 9 месяцев назад

finally a video prioritizing higher graphics settings with 30fps, since i play at home while charging anyways that's what I'll do once i get one of these devices, but waiting to see the lenovo legion go and aokzoe a2 before i decide but yeah this is awesome, we've come a long way and it's going to get even more interesting next year and onwards with switch 2 and such

@e2rqey 9 месяцев назад

I've heard some of these manufacturers are actually using slight TDP offsets in order to have a higher TDP than what is quoted for better performance in benchmarks. Where the actually TDP is slighgt like 16 when it says it is 15.

@DeepteshLovesTECH 9 месяцев назад

RDNA3 sadly isn't much of an upgrade over RDNA2 when it comes to IPC or performance per watt.

@MrSpineduke 9 месяцев назад

Yea is been very disappointing. Gotta wait for the next generation of chips to see any real innovation from a per watt perspective

@melxb 9 месяцев назад

they barely have gotten driver updates though

@AnTran147 9 месяцев назад

I guess that's what RDNA 3.5 is for. The fact they have to do a ".5" revision says a lot about the issues they're having with this gen arch and difficulties getting the next gen arch working.

@mansoso3903 9 месяцев назад

I got the 2s and I absolutely love it. Beautiful device imo. The 1s is adorable too. Anyone on the fence tho, I’d wait till next year, because knowing this company, they release a new device like every month 😂. I reckon we will get a much more advanced and more powerful device next year

@MrNelahem 9 месяцев назад

I think a Zen 5 apu next year will be big for all these handhelds.

@ivan4087 9 месяцев назад

what the point of buying it now if its every month? buy it 67 years later - a lot more power

@MrNelahem 9 месяцев назад

because eventually you have to jump on a purchase there will always be something better down the road.@@ivan4087

@GoCrazy69 9 месяцев назад

@@ivan4087lmao in 77

@daxfitz 9 месяцев назад

Are you having any problems with light bleed on the right side of your screen by chance?

@pyroco101 9 месяцев назад

I'd love to see a video that puts all these to the test to see how many frames they can squeeze out of multiple games. Custom low settings, fsr, lower resolution, all to see what it takes to hit 60fps in a given game.

@senilestix 9 месяцев назад

Why are you surprised rich? It's no different on the desktop! Doubling the power doesn't double the frame rate and has always been diminishing returns!?

@sushimshah2896 9 месяцев назад

Can't wait for you to test the Lenovo Legion handheld !!

@Myako 9 месяцев назад

I'd love to see a similar video, but focused on emulation and ergonomics. The upcoming Aya Neo Pocket Air (Mediatek Dimensity 1200) would be great, as would any Snapdragon 8 Gen1/2.

@mmpsp693 9 месяцев назад

Check out Retro Game Corps,, ETA Prime or Taki Udon.

@mazzyycat 9 месяцев назад

30fps with hardsync/latent sync/scanline sync is pretty amazing input lag wise. Almost better than 60fps with vsync unless you've tweaked the render ahead frames.

@MKR3238 9 месяцев назад

scanline sync saved my ass for years when i had a 60Hz non VRR display when it works, its soooooo good

@mazzyycat 9 месяцев назад

@@MKR3238 yeah with 60fps its almost like VRR, its just you dont get the variable part

@CrossplatformGamerMasterRace 9 месяцев назад

It's impressive for sure nice to see so many options in the handheld space.. i would love to see Steam OS modified to run on these. Used to think I might upgrade to an Ally from the Deck but not sure seems like Lenovo are bringing out the most powerful handheld plus added that has functionality of the Switch Kickstand and Detachable Controllers. Lenovo Go: 2560x1600 @ 144Hz IPS 500nits touch screen so upscaling FTW. Ryzen Z1 Extreme 16GB 7500Mhz LPDDR5X 2-cell 49.2WHr

@Chorgy 9 месяцев назад

You can increase the boost tdp/clock on the ROG Ally if you create your own gpu profile in the settings.

@vicrattlehead5051 9 месяцев назад

I never thought I'd be excited for the future of handhelds as i was when i was a kid playing gameboy and DS

@misaeltoral508 9 месяцев назад

Those consoles lasted years before the new model revision. This company releases a new console every year and forget to support the previous one. That’s why nobody buys them regardless of how good the specs are at the moment of release

@vicrattlehead5051 9 месяцев назад

@@misaeltoral508 if nobody was buying, they wouldn't keep making them at a loss, I'm not saying your wrong about how long those lasted vs today but i think most people buying are aware of these companies not so consumer friendly business decisions and just buy one and will stick to it for yrs, cause handheld pcs are coming out pretty quickly side by side so it's doubtful people are buying every single one, but they're definitely buying at least one if they're interested

@EyefyourGf 9 месяцев назад

@@misaeltoral508 That's right,only good options are steam deck,and switch 2 (for nintendo exclusives)and maybe down the road we get steam deck 2 or how ever they name it with better apu :)

@PKM1010 9 месяцев назад

There are so many handhelds more powerful than the Steam Deck and I feel like it doesn't matter, most people will just pick up the most popular one with seamless console-like experience, the Deck. That being said of course I'm happy for others to exist, competition is good.

@EnkiduSA17 9 месяцев назад

18 months Valve's heavily backed their product! give credit where credit's due!

@exeffectum8149 9 месяцев назад

Microsoft should make a portable Series S thats also a mobile phone.

@AFourEyedGeek 9 месяцев назад

Anyone else interested in a 720p/800p OLED screen with VRR up to 120? At small sizes, resolution doesnt seem that big of a deal to me. I'd love OLED contrast with VRR matching the game refresh, with the option of low demanding games getting high fps, like the recent Quake 2 Remaster.

@kjeeb 9 месяцев назад

Thanks for doing these comparisons Rich. As someone interested in these devices, this helps with my decision making. Lenovo coming into the mix soon too, looking forward to that!

@zZiL341yRj736 9 месяцев назад

When a company doesn't stand with their product but keeps making new ones that's a red flag.

@scotttatertot69 9 месяцев назад

They seriously need to make fewer devices

@ivan4087 9 месяцев назад

or no devices at all. just play it on big scvreen

@kevinkev1530 9 месяцев назад

👍🏾👍🏾very informative

@user.asleep 9 месяцев назад

Can`t wait for the Legion Go test

@MrMolchester 9 месяцев назад

AYA NEO 2S and 1S just got a BIOS update to enable 7500MT/s RAM. The GPU drivers are newer now too. Should've launched this way really - owners like me have had what has felt like prototype for months (including only recent release of AYA Space 2).

@TheUltimateHacker007 9 месяцев назад

You should upload a gaming test instead of typing it out

@HazyJ28 9 месяцев назад

That new Lenovo handheld looks KILLER though. Hope to see you guys take a look at it.

@MarceloTezza 9 месяцев назад

Would love to know more about the smart, if ut has a gpu bias it could be smart for higher resolutions? Anyway, smart should be able to log the components usage and kind of guess using AI the game behaviour... That would be smart. I guess smart could be auto applied for external monitor use no or higher resolution than x. Love your videos Richard, exudes profissionalism! Thanks!

@mattmaas5790 9 месяцев назад

Hi Digital Foundry I would really like you to compare these to a streaming-from-pc experience using moonlight on the G Cloud handheld by logitech

@hairypancake4425 9 месяцев назад

To anyone who’s wondering what they what next year, just hold your breath, Z2E or 87XXU is coming out with 16RDNA3+ cores which will be more powerful and better AI scaling support

@sndstone 9 месяцев назад

I would be curious if your able to disable 4 cores to see if low power modes run better

@snakeshepard9761 9 месяцев назад

So no coverage for Armored Core VI? I hoped to see a video about it

@fuleo 9 месяцев назад

Do these win device sleep/hibernate well ? Like the nintendo switch lite does ? Truly gaming on the go ?

@TheSentientmeat 9 месяцев назад

support is a big thing for me so I had to go with the Ally, also it comes with Windows 11 and I needed a PC on-the-go solution... you can play it handheld or plug it in and connect to any monitor with wireless keyboard/mouse and you have a real PC and it seems it's great at performance and silence as well

@TheSentientmeat 9 месяцев назад

they are supporting the Ally if you weren't aware@@Kanyewestisfree

@SaintLedger 9 месяцев назад

Great video, but is it just me or was the volume for this video unusually low?

@cavalen 9 месяцев назад

I would love to see the Lenovo Go covered when available :)

@fafski1199 9 месяцев назад

The Legion Go defiantly looks like a Steam Deck on Steroids, TBH, it looks to be a combination of most of the good bits that have been taken from other PC handhelds, along with some added ideas and innovations. The detachable controller doubling up as a mouse is not only intriguing, but could be genius if it works well. Same with the connectable AR Smart Glasses and them also adding a trackpad, like on the Steam Deck. However, it still doesn't look like it's quite perfect and their still looks to be some questionable features and likely some cons, like it's huge size (defiantly not pocket sized), it's weight, it's ergonomics, it's battery life, it's support, the software used and it's cost. Although TBH, it's price isn't nearly half as bad as most PC handhelds and it really isn't too bad at all, when you consider what you are getting (for starters, a 8.8-inch 144Hz QHD+ (3K) touchscreen display, that could easily double up as a pretty powerful tablet or media player) I know one thing for sure, most techies who have gotten their hands on one, seem to be drooling all over it.

@DeepteshLovesTECH 9 месяцев назад

Such impressive hardware, but sadly no support in most of the world. Hoping for their success in the West, so that they can go mainstream and provide good after sales support to most of the world. For now the only two viable options are the ROG Ally and Legion Go - Both solid options.

@colonelccccc 9 месяцев назад

Like it or not, the Steam Deck is the KING of handheld for so many reasons...

@MadViking82 9 месяцев назад

Both of them have two small of a battery. I'm remotely interested in Ayaneo Kun due to the battery, but at the same time, at this stage it is safer to wait till Strix Point is here. The bandwidth bottleneck will be solved mostly and power efficiency will be better. I wish there would be a Steamdeck 2 on that chip, that would be an instant buy even at 1K USD. Valve has done great work to make that Zen 2 chip with much less resources work so well, and I can't imagine what they can do with Strix point.

@168original7 9 месяцев назад

@@colonelccccc the steam deck has no support in most of the world though

@krzysztof6591 9 месяцев назад

They will never go mainstream until they quit chinese way of flooding market with new models.

@alzarpomario889 9 месяцев назад

Will you test any of these with ChimeraOS?

@ifstatementifstatement2704 9 месяцев назад

Fascinating

@Cesar-jh1ho 9 месяцев назад

Hope amd make a stronger push specially with drivers on the handheld and mini pc markets as its attracting more companies and the new apu's coming out specially strix and strix halo are looking to be game changers for low end to mid low end gpu replacements.

@MadViking82 9 месяцев назад

Strix Halo should be around PS5 level of performance but less than half the power! Imagine that.

@coolystguy 9 месяцев назад

Cpu boost on the ROG Ally needs to be turned off to get rid of the stuttering, I've had amazing performance boost since disabling it also keep my tdp at 25w no boosts across the board, makes for a stable experience, cyberpunk runs stutter free since.

@g_geezer3277 9 месяцев назад

Same!! 25watt profile 6GB vram. Stable clocks! All smooth running…… Heat is effecting your gains…kill that cpu boost

@matthewponton5632 9 месяцев назад

Could you explain how to turn that off? Is it just in Armory crate?

@coolystguy 9 месяцев назад

@@g_geezer3277 yeah def 6gb vram well said. heats definitely the issue, the throttling is the cause of the stuttering.

@g_geezer3277 9 месяцев назад

@@matthewponton5632all In Armoury crate/settings/operation mode Manual, set SPL SPPT FPPT all to 25watts Then goto GPU settings and select 6G Save profile! Needs to be done in plugged in and battery mode

@3ehut4uk 9 месяцев назад

Ally stutter is fixed by going to 5gb or higher of VRAM. It does stutter with 4 or Auto.

@etbadaboum 9 месяцев назад

For comparaison, how much a PSR and high-end PC's CPUs and GPUs are consuming?

@mansoso3903 9 месяцев назад

Ayaneo 1s is the true underdog imo. If they would focus on this size going forward, they would absolutely kill it.

@lilalj07 9 месяцев назад

Exactly. The only company aside from GPD to really nail compact size, portabilty, and power in such a small package. I hear heat is a huge issue though. AYASpace 2 is actually useable also which makes me reconsider GPD devices and having to tinker witg TDP.

@patrickroza3073 9 месяцев назад

@@lilalj07heat an issue for ayaneo, gpd or both? Another contender is onex

@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418 9 месяцев назад

I suggest you look at the Ayn Loki in that respect.

@patrickroza3073 9 месяцев назад

@@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418 I’m kinda interested in legion go

@lilalj07 9 месяцев назад

@@patrickroza3073 Ayaneo 1s specifically, for its size, which I love. I didn't hear the same about the Win 4. I currently have a Win Max 2, lovely all in one device, but I really like the pocketable aspect of the 1s. The Onexfly does look like a happy medium, but I'm a sucker for ultra compact. I do have small hands, so crampness isn't an issue for me.

@aa-yt7wo 9 месяцев назад

The ROG Ally by default only reserves 4GB for GPU memory. Going into Armory Crate and setting that to 6GB for GPU smoothes out games a lot. Really it should have shipped with at least 24 or 32GB of RAM.

@Fallen608 9 месяцев назад

Intersting. Some mad lads have upgraded the steam deck to have 32GB of memory I'm sure they could do the same with the Ally. Give it more VRAM for these modern games.

@aa-yt7wo 9 месяцев назад

@@Fallen608 upgrading memory on either requires soldering which is risky. Probably not nearly as easy to find those high speed ddr5 chips for the Ally as well

@MrValkilmer35 9 месяцев назад

I'm definitely interested in the PC handheld market but they are way too expensive in Australia right now. When they get around $400-700AU then I'll get one. For $1000-1500AU I'd just rather upgrade my PC. I'm very happy to see the tiny form factor of the Air 1S though! I love my Switch lite and a tiny PC on a similar form factor is a dream!

@kamikazilucas 9 месяцев назад

how does the 7640u compare to the 7840u at 15watts

@T.O.Wallee 9 месяцев назад

why you guys not doing armor core review

@GameTimeWhy 9 месяцев назад

Cant wait for steam deck 2 seeing how incredible this and legion are.

@thebham95 9 месяцев назад

Ally has been my favorite device ever ngl

@pobbityboppity1110 9 месяцев назад

Until those batteries get better I think I’m really locked in at 15 watt performance or even lower in many cases. There I don’t think we’ve seen much of a shift from the deck yet. I hope amd pushes the ball forward on those lower power draw targets. Sure, you can get better perf, if you crank up power draw and the device can’t survive a plane ride.

@paul1979uk2000 9 месяцев назад

To me, that's where the real problem is, you can have more performance if you are willing to throw more wattage at it but then it starts to kill battery life. Until battery tech gets better or it's a lot cheaper to put a bigger battery in these devices, 15 watts seem like a better compromise on performance and battery life, at least on the go and when you put it all together, it's understandable why Valve isn't releasing a Steam Deck 2, the performance uplift at 15 watts is too small to warrant a Deck 2, it's got to be at least 50% faster than the Deck and ideally, double the performance of the Deck, that clearly won't happen until Zen 5 and RDNA 4, and even then it might be pushing it. I've got to admit, the more I look at these other portable gaming devices, the more impressed I am with the Steam Deck considering the hardware it's got and the performance it's managing to deliver at 15 watts, also whiles doing it with Windows games running through Linux. If these other gaming devices actually had a bigger performance uplift at 15 watts, then I would be more impressed, but honestly, the performance uplift is kinda poor that I might as well just buy a Steam Deck.

@fillerbunnyninjashark271 9 месяцев назад

18w does me well

@PantsaBear 9 месяцев назад

Its not "batteries need to get better" it's the AMD chipset that has to become much more power efficient. If you can get the performance shown on this video, but at 5W, thatd be amazing (unfortunately, physics exists :/)

@fillerbunnyninjashark271 9 месяцев назад

@@PantsaBear l-ion batteries are shit which is why newer batteries have graphene in them. Still not great.

@MadViking82 9 месяцев назад

I think the plane ride argument is a bit moot, because people do not fly for leisure that many times, maybe 1-2 a year. If you fly for work, you want your laptop in front of you. Maybe a personal quirk, but at least I cannot play any games during work related travel, especially if I'm flying directly to a client meeting to another country, so many things you want to prepare on the flight. Can't imagine playing games one moment, and then jumping into business mode the next.

@YouCanCallMeMich 9 месяцев назад

I love my SD and Ally but I'm also looking at the Lenovo Legion Go, the mouse solution in that thing is awesome!

@gotmilkfunb 9 месяцев назад

Will you sell it the steam deck or the Ally? I'm just curious what you do with all these handhelds lol

@YouCanCallMeMich 9 месяцев назад

@@gotmilkfunb I'm all about tech stuff so I'll be holding on to all of them, I started with the Gameboy and got pretty much every handheld since, I think the Deck and the PSP are my all time favorites :D

@drewcipher896 9 месяцев назад

The Steam deck is still the king of performance below 10 watts which is what I usually stick at for games. You can play 360 era games at sub 5 watts. These other handhelds are on their way to being full console replacers... depending on the prices.

@Emma_madison 9 месяцев назад

So much technology but yet still we don't have better battery in these handled. And this was the one reason I went for the switch oled over these handled Am out alot and almost on trips So poor battery is really a turn off to me

@gsestream 9 месяцев назад

instead of voxels or triangles, for objects, consider outside-in sphere map 3d sprites for objects, for true 3d rendering, angle dependent view support, also animation support

@robertlawrence9000 9 месяцев назад

No Starfield testing on the handhelds?

@dewinter1411 9 месяцев назад

How have some of the comments been made 2-3 days ago, before the video came out?

@Granhier 9 месяцев назад

It's wild to me that what was once a console exclusive space, has now turned into almost completely a PC exclusive one, and yet console manufacturers still don't see a market in it.

@anggasurbakti8269 9 месяцев назад

Switch sold more tan 120 millions, ps5 40 millions, xbox below that. Deck is less than 2 millions sold. See why console maker don't see market there?

@Granhier 9 месяцев назад

@@anggasurbakti8269 They haven't even bothered with an honest attempt. Steam Deck sold 2 million as a complimentary device, not to mention as one with actual competition in the space. In a year and a half. That's not so bad I would say. Of course Switch is gonna run with it, when they have the Nintendo name attached, the exclusives, and an uncontested market. Sony gave up after the Vita and then was schooled by Nintendo shortly afterwards.

@oo--7714 9 месяцев назад

@@anggasurbakti8269funnily enough the xbox series x and s sold as much as the meta quest 2. 20 million units.

@pobbityboppity1110 9 месяцев назад

Microsoft probably feels pretty good about their position here. They care more about people buying their games, and all of these systems enable that. Maybe they’ll get game pass on deck when they need a new growth vector.

@Veon1 9 месяцев назад

Look at the prices. You can buy a switch, a ps5 and an xbox for the price of some of these portables.

@augustofretes 9 месяцев назад

I personally prefer the Ayn Odin Lite + moonlight for demanding games. And outside my house I can just play indie games or emulate old games (which barely happens, except at airports or stuff like that, if I’m out, I’d rather not play something). Sometimes I just want to play while laying down, and for that I just need a screen attached to a controller with a video decoder basically.

@SuperShowDowns 9 месяцев назад

My ayaneo 2 started cracking after about 2 months around the fingerprint scanner, and 2 cracks at the bottom from the heat build up. Sold it and never again from a Chinese company!

@marcgtsr 9 месяцев назад

Gpd has a new device with a clamshel design. That one looks soooo good

@WH250398 9 месяцев назад

Ok these handhelds are starting to become seriously terrifying. The Ps Vita still blows me away even, but this is getting crazy.

@ivan4087 9 месяцев назад

handhelds is good when exclusive games are there. this is just pseudo console - better play it on big screen pc

@aceofhearts573 9 месяцев назад

Can't believe Killzone Mercenary is stuck in the Vita for all eternity.

@WH250398 9 месяцев назад

@@aceofhearts573 That happens to be my favorite Killzone game by far...

@offspringfan89 9 месяцев назад

The custom drivers of these handhelds computers is a major issue, because you're at the mercy of the manufacturers to release updates, like what happens to Android devices. Essentially, it facilitates planned obsolence. I wonder if you can install modded drivers (like NimeZ drivers) on these handheld PCs?

@zndxt1970 9 месяцев назад

When it comes to devices like these its only a matter of time before someone backward engineers the OS to run a modded OS

@drewcipher896 9 месяцев назад

I mean they're PCs there will always be updates as long as their is a community. And theoretically Steam OS will be available on more devices at some point, some day, probably.

@BreakPoints753 9 месяцев назад

Sounds like an AMD enforced issue, they want to segment 7040 series laptops and handhelds. Luckily we can force install newer drivers and GPD is changing their device IDs in the BIOS to allow regular AMD drivers to install. GPD Win Mini already benefits from this.

@dlbarnes 9 месяцев назад

I'll stick with the more affordable device. I credit Valve for making an affordable device with features not found on handhelds. While it's typical for people to complain instead of appreciate, I am enjoying my deck. If these devices become more affordable without being the average price of a mortgage or rent, then I'll consider buying one.

@cullenmatthews19 9 месяцев назад

While still not nearly as affordable as a steam deck, the new Lenovo Legion Go is looking like a fantastic device for $800 I think it is

@cosmicgamingunlimited 9 месяцев назад

Steam can subsidize the cost of the deck with software sales. But they still cheaped out in many ways on the deck.

@dlbarnes 9 месяцев назад

@@cosmicgamingunlimited Well, if you have the money, then purchase whatever you like, but the average gamer isn't that lucky. So, I like my deck

@Fallen608 9 месяцев назад

@@cullenmatthews19 Mobile APU trying to drive a 2560x1600 screen? You might want to reconsider unless you really really like FSR.

@MrSpineduke 9 месяцев назад

@@Fallen608you can get integer scaling with that resolution, you could run stuff at 800p and it'll look clean. That's the theory at least

@gibgun 10 месяцев назад

I hope Valve doesn’t take too long to follow up with a new Steam Deck (and a new VR headset and AAA VR game)

@microsista1413 9 месяцев назад

and half-life 3

@vegetables3375 9 месяцев назад

Haven't they confirmed the steam deck is gonna have a normal console life span of like 7 years

@oo--7714 9 месяцев назад

Would be too expensive, the index is over 1000 dollars and has really bad qa, with lots of people having to rma it. There is a reason why meta dominates vr headsets.

@hihihi1q23 9 месяцев назад

@@vegetables3375 Consoles have games specifically made for them and their hardware limitations. It's why the Switch is still alive. No one is making games specifically for the Deck, so the whole 7 year thing won't work.

@HuntaKiller91 9 месяцев назад

Ryzen 8000 maybe a good candidate 7840u is getting boring not that powerful enough imho It's a lame duck 1650 edition

@mitchjames9350 9 месяцев назад

I would like to see 3D V Cache and Infinity cache in one of these switch like pcs.

@shodanargie1574 9 месяцев назад

My fear is that aya will release another one 5 second after mine ships. Has the ally situation witht he sd cards been fixed?

@Sad-mm8tm 9 месяцев назад

How's the fan noise ayaneo vs rog ally?

@matthewkingsmill7372 9 месяцев назад

What is the support like with AN?? I’d automatically go to either Asus, Valve or now Lenovo because of that reason.. not necessarily the performance/price..

@Rashomon20s 9 месяцев назад

Newbie/Offtopic question: what’s the chances on Portable PCVR Headsets? Like how SteamDeck is for PC Gaming.

@LuciusAugustusRex 9 месяцев назад

AMD is leading us to an interesting future with these low power chips

@kimalibennett9468 9 месяцев назад

Isn't it great how you can add so many thknfs to the deck witj third party support as well as first party software and hardware support and not having a version two or an S come out every 3 months

@killermoon635 9 месяцев назад

Can you compare AMD Z1 to Z1 extreme ??

@user-ut1sj2xk1v 8 месяцев назад

Simple ayaneo air (ryzen 5560u) will starting cyber2077 ?

@eSKAone- 9 месяцев назад

Awesome what SteamDeck started here 🌌💟☮️

@elysian3623 9 месяцев назад

If you disable the aggressive CPU boosting behaviour through registry editor and put a 80% on battery max clock speed cap on the Ally you get a lot of the power redistributed to the GPU where you really need it on the system, the standard firmware is very CPU biased

@devinrobertson5251 5 месяцев назад

How is the 6800u air plus running so much better than the 7840u, almost consistently? Because of driver utilization and infancy on the 7840u?

@rapzid3536 9 месяцев назад

The fact that there are going to be a half-dozen of these quite good quality handhelds out by the time Switch 2 arrives makes me believe Nintendo innovated somehow on this next console to differentiate.. Some people say "gimmick" but look, the Wii "gimmick" and the Wii-U "gimmick" are both pretty much built into the switch, and while the 3ds wasn't for everyone the New 3DS was a pretty excellent realization of that concept.

@Taijifufu 9 месяцев назад

But how often is the pointer function used in Switch games overall? And when you play at home can you plug in the Switch and take the screen around the house while it renders without draining the battery? The important things that have made the Switch successful are A: Nintendo and B: handheld Nintendo. That's all it takes.

@concinnus 9 месяцев назад

@@TaijifufuNot exactly because Nintendo. Rather, Nintendo exclusives.

@LiteraryCurtastrophe 9 месяцев назад

I have a bit of a dumb question so I hope people will bear with me here. I'm going to research this myself on my own, of course, but I'm hoping those more knowledgeable than I could point me in the right direction... How or where would i go about learning all of this graphics and PC settings so I can learn to do all this optimization stuff myself? I know I i can just look it up and people will tell me the exact settings, but I'd like to be able to depend on myself for some of it, or at the very least, understand what I'm doing.