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I will say this: Rob Zombie has a great deal of singles. Most of which are quite enjoyable! But the albums just aren’t there. I’d rather just listen to the singles instead of sitting through everything else on the record. Even his newer *singles* are good. But the albums are just, as you put it, there.
Agreed. I think it's because he was pouring some of that creativity on films. Ironically, his first two movies were good and after that = ok to bad is the scale.
It's a damn shame Maroon 5 released their last good album in 2010. It Won't Be Soon Before Long is such a fantastic album for me that it makes me sad to see how far they have fallen.
Overexposed hadn't been that steep of a decline just yet. It didn't come close to even a Hands All Over level but the soul is still somewhere in there. ID on the other hand...
The number 1 choice really breaks my heart cuz I have such a nostalgic love for that album. I was 14 when I got into it and even now, Track 4 of that album hits me in the feels.
I feel bad for ID because they're clearly capable of writing something actually uplifting, inspirational and interesting, or at least have done so in the past and it still feels like they have good intentions with the messages in their music even nowadays but man do they always manage to come up with the most unappealing messy stylistic choices and combinations imaginable.
I got free tickets to see them on their Evolve tour, they're very charismatic and energetic. I'm not really fans of them anymore, but they do seem genuine. They even brought out a pride flag during the show and proclaimed "we love all of you." Which was a big deal since this was Alabama, one of the most homophobic states in the US.
With Matchbox Twenty, Say Anything, Rob Zombie, and Bush, I wholeheartedly agree that those albums are their de facto best that they've never topped, but I'd argue they have at least a couple other good ones. I've seen Matchbox Twenty and Rob Zombie live before, and they both put on a pretty cool show. And Maroon 5 in the number 1 spot hit home considering I made a whole 53 minute retrospective/countdown about that album a month ago.
I'm glad you mentioned Bush's 2020s output, because I was wondering how you felt about it after you put them on your list of bands that should retire several years ago. I will say that I really liked The Kingdom and The Art of Survival, and I think they might be entering a "renaissance era," particularly with their newer singles (which are very good) seeing a lot of radio airplay. Also, I saw them live this spring, and they've still got it. Gavin's still got a ton of energy for his age.
I was gonna say, Bush's passed two albums haven't been bad. In fact, if The Kingdom was their comeback album from the start they'd probably be as popular as Stone Temple Pilots currently are. Nowhere near as big as the 90s but definitely turning more heads then they currently do.
@@rawkguy4896 Honestly, this might be the biggest they have been since their heyday. Not saying much, but as you said, they are turning heads. I was pretty surprised by that, because I didn't even know The Kingdom existed until August 2022, two years after it was released. I went to see Alice in Chains and Breaking Benjamin, and Bush was the supporting band, and when I looked up the setlist, five of their ten songs were off of The Kingdom, and one was More Than Machines, which was the lead single off The Art of Survival, an album that had not been released yet. And I was very pleasantly surprised when I heard them, since I didn't realize they still had it in them to make such good music. Apparently, according to Gavin, they've got yet another album coming out this year, so I'm definitely excited for that. Also, while I'm a diehard STP fan, I'm curious as to why you say they're currently big right now. I mean, they haven't released an album in four years (I didn't listen to the 2020 one, but contrary to popular opinion, I absolutely loved the 2018 self-titled). I like Jeff Gutt, and think he's a great fit for the band, and I might see them again next time they come to New England, but I hope we get new music soon.
I have to disagree on Evanescence making one great album as they are one on my favorite bands of all time. Plus, The Open Door and the self-titled album had some songs that were underrated and overlooked.
I am biased cause I am an Evanescence fan, but I have to admit that to me The Open Door is superior to Fallen. Synthesis is also a super album, even though is not exactly new material.
I'll admit that I'm not nearly as excited about Evanescence as I was when they first started out, but there are excellent songs worth tracking down on every album of theirs, even if those albums get kind of same-y for me after a while. I feel like it's super basic of me to be all like "Fallen is their best", but I'll also throw in there that Origin is quite excellent as well. Unfortunately Amy Lee considers that more of a demo than an actual album.
Songs about Jane will forever be the perfect example of one great album from a bad band. I guess you could say the thing Maroon 5 turned into is Absurd.
I used to LOVE Imagine Dragons. Although now, their music does not hit as much as it did to me even a few months ago. In fact, I don’t even think I’ve voluntarily listened to an Imagine Dragons song in months. However, I still consider myself a fan of them because A) Their fanbase is so welcoming and amazing in general B) The entire band are great human beings C) I just know they are capable of doing something greater than they already are
I was ready to fight you a bit on Matchbox Twenty (I grew up in the late 90's, so..nostalgia) but then thought...have I actually LISTENED to more than two albums? And...nah. You got me there a bit. Songs like '3 am' just super hits me in the nostalgia feels.
Maroon 5 has fallen so hard that their cover arts have even dropped in quality! Songs about Jane's cover is sooo pretty and then we get shit like Red Pill Blues...at least it sets you up for disappointment.
Great video man and you made some good points. For me personally I actually love MB20s 3rd album “More than you think you are” just as much as their debut. Songs like Feel, Soul, Disease, and my all time favorite MB20 song Bright Lights I love. Also here’s some of my opinions on this topic Red jumpsuit Apparatus- Don’t you fake it Middle Class Rut- No Name, No Color Hoobastank- Self Titled Hollywood Undead- Notes from the underground
I love White Zombie ~ most underrated metal bassist and guitarist of the 90s. Hellbilly Deluxe have the X-Factor from Charlie Clouser of Nine Inch Nails... who carried over his work from Astro Creep. And it shows. Aside from a few good tracks here and there no solo album has clicked since.
I saw imagine dragons back when they only had a few albums released before they had even more released. That was a good time to do so. There’s no way I’d see them today. I don’t even know any songs off their last album
You don’t need to know the new album to see them. They haven’t performed anything that isn’t a single off the newest release in a long time. And even then they only played 4 or 5 tracks out of the 16 the album came out with
I would add the 2nd band that used to be on the same hate level as Nickelback, which is Creed. Their first album is really solid, a little bit derivative but still really good, such a shame they dropped so quickly and drastically even though they continued making big singles here and there
Luckily; out of the ashes of Creed, we got a truly great band - AlterBridge!💪 They cannot write a bad song or album, and have many numerous great songs and at least 4 truly great front to back albums!
My gf and I went to a Rob Zombie concert. We enjoyed most of it, but were getting tired( We're getting old) For the encore, they started American Band, and we headed to the car.
I feel like such a contrarian where MB20 is concerned - Mad Season was the album that got me into them, and I really liked what that album did both conceptually and in terms of its instrumentation. (It may have also helped that I went through a bad breakup not long after discovering it, and a lot of the dysfunction in Rob Thomas's lyrics made me think "Well sheesh, at least I didn't have it THAT bad!") More than You Think You Are was all over the place, stylistically, but I ended up liking it even more than Mad Season. I tried to circle back to Yourself or Someone Like You a few times since I remembered their hits from the late 90s, but I've always had a really hard time getting into that album beyond those. Obviously it's still by far their most popular album; it just never did it for me. The new stuff on Exile on Mainstream was OK, but they really lost steam after that due to Rob Thomas's solo career. North was boring, and their new album is shaping up to be quite dull as well - I think the only song I like on it is the one where Rob Thomas doesn't sing lead. So I'm not exactly an MB20 diehard, but I have a weird soft spot for those two albums from the early 2000s that are regarded by most as a failure to follow up a big hit.
Thanks for saying, I know I've been feeling very much the same about other bands so I felt like this summary was accurate, though I'm not familiar firsthand
@@dsxa918 I feel like it's pretty common to want to defend underrated albums or bands that others consider "bad", so yeah, you're not alone in that experience. I just feel like the weird part for me is when I'm defending underdog albums by a band whose most popular record that most would consider their "one good album", I actually don't like that much.
Personally I love Zombie's Venomous Rat... album. It was the first album after Hellbilly Deluxe that I liked all the way through. Overall, I don't think they (or he) are a bad band. As the kids say, his stuff is pretty mid. His other albums usually have a handful of solid tracks even if the entire album doesn't hold up.
Great video! The funny thing with Smoke + Mirrors for me is that, as someone who likes Imagine Dragons more than most, I prefer Night Visions and Evolve. I like Smoke + Mirrors but I don't love it, partially because I don't find the hooks as strong as those other 2 albums. I also really couldn't get into Mercury - Act 2. "Bones" is a huge banger IMO but the majority of it I personally found really boring, even though I get the appeal.
I enjoyed ID's first two albums. Even though people hated I Bet My Life and were sort of validated when it became the band's annoying "vocal shtick", I still enjoyed that song. Same deal with Believer. However, I heard Thunder and laughed in disbelief at how pathetic it was. And then I heard Digital and it put the final nail in that coffin.
When I saw this video in my notifications, I said “I have to watch this video!” Very interesting to see the bands that you dislike unless it’s a band I love 😂
I would personally disagree with the Robert H. Zombie pick, his sophomore album and most recent album were actually pretty great in my eyes too. I totally understand where you're coming from though, his albums are always hit or miss for everyone in Metal too.
I’m wondering how could it have done better. I think if the lead single was I’m So Sorry instead of I Bet My Life and if the second single was Dream instead of Gold, it definitely would have had better commercial performance.
Don’t know if I’m blinded by nostalgia but I think North by Matchbox 20 is actually a pretty underrated Pop Rock album, yeah it’s nothing that will blow your mind but it’s pretty decent for what it is
I love your SOS series! The issue with Imagine Dragons is that nothing they do could possibly remedy the fact that the released the song "Thunder", ruining storms for everyone.
Here's an old one for you. Blue oyster cult. Mostly active from mid '70s to the early '80s but they had a couple of big songs in their day. Burning for you and don't feel the reaper but they came out with an album around 1980 called fire of unknown origin. In my opinion, that is a great album but everything else they came out with really didn't have good songs or a good sound. If you never heard of Blue oyster cult and I apologize if you did. Check them out and check out that album.. fire of unknown origin
That’s when they went commercial. Specters which has Godzilla on it, Agents of Fortune which has Reaper on it and the debut are all very good in my opinion, those albums were well received and they sold very well. They toured with both Ozzy and Dio era Sabbath, they were pretty big before Unknown Origin came out. I’m not a fan by any means, but BOC is a really good band
Oh, Jon... I love Say Anything but this is so incredibly true 😂 Brand New was out there killing it while Say Anything continually dropped the ball, like, yeah, most of their outputs after Is a Real Boy were pretty bad. That double album would've been far better as a single album. Anarchy my Dear is genuinely terrible. Hebrews is god awful. Love the self titled and Oliver Appropriate is surprisingly good. Nothing ever reached the heights of Is a Real Boy though.
when I saw the title, the first band that came to mind was Maroon 5 so the Nickelback fakeout didn't phase me. I still love Songs About Jane (and ok with adding Kara's Flowers stuff). There is nothing more fascinating than listening to Gavin Rossdale explaining his own lyrics.... and this coming from a fan of Sixteen Stone but knowing there's some odd segment.
So far this is a great video but I already wanted to quickly mention some personal opinions of mine. I would’ve included One-X by Three Days Grace on this list, I think that album is them at their best but the band itself is nothing special at all. Also In Defense Of The Genre felt like a fitting continuation of …Is A Real Boy when I went through the album myself. Though I haven’t listened to any following records by Say Anything because after that point even from snippets of songs I could tell how much worse the vocals had gotten. And speaking of Max Bemis… what exactly has he done? Other than his addictions and spiraling mental health I’m out of the loop on this one.
@@artvjonI'll still listen to Good Charlotte over Seether anyday! I can't fucking stand Seether. The epitome of butt rock. What people say about Nickelback, I say the same about Seether. I also use the the term "Bud Light" as to describe Seether. They're a bud light band. No thank you Seether. I like Five Finger Death Punch more than you obviously, as in you don't like them, which is fine, but I did outgrow them for a long time. I did like them for some years, but went out to discover music not only from the 00s and 10s, but also the 90s, 80s, 70s, and 60s and I love a majority of the bands from those periods. I'm still discovering and listening to music that I've loved for years.
I expected Third Eye Blind to be on this list. I feel like their debut album was a masterpiece then everything else they did ranked from ok to forgettable.
For me 30 Seconds to Mars are very similar to Maroon 5 in that their debut is easily my favorite by both bands, their second album is mostly good, the third is at least ok and everything after that point is hard for me to listen to. Also, both debut albums came out in 2002 and have frontmen that people are, to put it kindly, rather mixed about. But for me 30 Seconds to Mars self titled debut has the most personality out of everything they've done and I like the spacey and almost proggy side of it.
Wait, Smoke + Mirrors? I mean I do like it but I didn't think you found it "great" seeing you gave it a 3/5 which is an average score. Did you increase your score or are you using the word "great" flexibly here? And Songs About Jane... I should really listen to it. I love Harder To Breathe it's been one of my favorite songs to listen to this year
That review is almost 10 years old! I think it’s fair to change your mind somewhat over time, so I’d say yes maybe “great” is flexible here, but I do like it more now than I did back then
I personally still stand by that Night Visions as well as Smoke + Mirrors still hold up and even Act 1 of Mercury. Act 2…yeah I didn’t care for that. Imagine Dragons still have a place in my heart though for nostalgia and them being one of my first bands getting into
I feel like Mercury as a whole would have been better off if it was just the first act. there are around 4-5 songs in Act 2 I thought were salvageable and could have been used in another album.
I agree with all these takes minus rob zombie, i think his best material was in white zombie, all his solo stuff sounds like a watered down version of white zombie.
Had to listen to the Kara's Flowers album after seeing that Maroon 5 entry. As a general fan of modern bands with a '60s sound/ethos (see: Ryan Ross' Young Veins), only Adam Levine can make that sound as corporate and soulless as he did at the age of 18. Truly a sign of things to come. That said, Songs About Jane IS a strong album that still reminds me of the period in which it was released. Most everything from the Moves Like Jagger era onward is utter dogshit.
Smoke + Mirrors is such a fantastic album. Banger after banger after banger. I've become increasingly disappointed with their material ever since that one. I even saw them live in 2017: great show, bad album.
I don't agree with Imagine Dragons. Their debut is better overall to me, Smoke and Mirrors is when I started to really dislike them. I'll put on Shots, Battle cry, and Warriors from time to time but I avoid pretty much the rest of the album 😅
I met the guys from Matchbox 20 in Vancouver when I worked the stage as security in the Commodore Ballroom sometime in the early 90s. They were all very nice guys, but their music was kind of tedious.
Agree with everything except with Rob Zombie, he still have some solid good albums in his discography like the "Sinister Urge", "Hellbilly De luxe 2" and "Rat Vendor"
I like Matchbox Twenty a lot and enjoying their comeback album. But I can see why many think of them as a very 'meh' band though, 'Yourself...' is a diamond selling album (10x) and the others that followed have barely matched those figures. At least they didn't become one of those bands that puts out very mediocre stuff every 2ish years like the final two entries on this list.
My take on bush is yes sixteen stone is by far their best and honestly one of my favorite albums from the 90s and of all time. BUT their 2 most recent albums are pretty solid as well and amazing singles throughout the 2000s. They aren’t one of my favorite bands ever but I do listen to them a ton! I wouldn’t call them a bad band at all. But yes their discography is filled with mediocre albums.
Don't really Agree with the Bush choice, Razorblade Suitcase and the Science of thigns are excellent albums, plus the Sea of Memories from their later career is a great album, and they still put out good albums up to now
I don’t disagree, I think it’s really good. But like I said, I think almost every band on the list has at least one other solid album, it’s just about them having more misses than hits overall
Even though I like simple plan every album... But i know you don't like simple plan but i heard that you still think self titled as their best album in one of your rock collision... So is it really you like the album or better than their standards?
Not sure if I'd consider this album "Great" necessarily (At least from an objective point of view), But dammit! Life On Display by Puddle Of Mudd was the closest that the band ever came to making a complete album experience. And its disappointing performance is probably the reason why everything that's come out since has been an utter trainwreck. And I don't even hate the later releases (Though Wes himself doesn't like Famous) either, But they pale in comparison to the first two albums + 1990's material. Life On Display in some weird sense also kind of foreshadows Wes' future problems with songs like Already Gone and Think being focused on his substance abuse issues and Freak Of The World being a direct look into his subconscious. (Not that it justified any of the stuff he did mind you, Cause being in a bad headspace isn't an excuse to act like a P.O.S, But it does give some insight into just how broken of a person he is) Again, The album isn't perfect. The singles are honestly the weakest thing about it (Though I don't think they're bad and beat out She Hates Me by a mile), But it was the one look we got to see into the bands true potential before everything hit the fan. All of what followed was either too manufactured or extremely rough around the edges. (Galvania was at least an attempt but the mixing ruins it) And this isn't related to the topic, But have you ever considered doing a video on bands that are considered Lost Media? I can't name many examples but one of the prime ones that come to my head is the Sins of a Divine Mother studio project consisting of Orgy, Mona Lisa Overdrive and Julien-K members. (Though most only know them through their songs Broken and All of Me that were intended to be on the Shadow The Hedgehog soundtrack)
I will never say a kind word about Rob Zombie after seeing what he did to the Munsters. My *god*. (Also, I liked Mad Season. Maybe as much as Yourself or Someone Like You. And bonus points for Rob Thomas showing up on iZombie to get eaten, or It’s Always Sunny. )
