Hybe fans can get crazy defensive whenever their favourite idols are dragged for their lack of vocal skills, but only have these less than underwhelming performances at their disposal 🫡. If that's not hella embarrassing, I don't know what is. Side note, let's wish for Seungkwan's and DK's (and Jungkook's, to a lesser extent) continued well-being. Single-handedly carrying an agency with over 40 artists on their back must be tough.
I will always laugh at them for coming at any other group vocals, especially the groups from SM lol. (They just keep setting up themselves for no reasons)
true, often times it's because the 'best' vocalist is typically only the best in the context of their own group so there's an inflated sense of skill amongst the fans. i feel like hybe expects everyone to be like jungkook (aka self-taught vocalist who skipped the predebut vocal lessons and learned how to sing through youtube) without realizing that it would be extremely beneficial to give not only proper vocal lessons but proper TIME in their schedules to practice said vocals. lessons once a week wont do shit if there's not dedicated time for near-daily practice they way to do for dancing.
i would love a whole video with one vocalist each just hitting a note like Bad, Decent and Great. like for example Kyungsoo hitting A4 Bad,Decent and Great. feel like that would help with the difference in quality bc it’s much easier to spot if it’s just one vocalist. or Wendy hitting C5 Bad, Decent and Great. maybe you already did this before idk i hope not cuz that would be embarrassing
This is a great idea. I'm very curious to see what performance clips, if any, he would compile for artists like Hyolyn, Luna, Tiffany, BoA, Jaejoong, Junsu, etc.
@@edu.8552The exact opposite would be a problem for remarkably consistent K-pop singers like Kyuhyun, Sandeul, and Davichi's Haeri. I might not be detailed enough to point out the slightest vocal mistakes those singers might have made tho.
@@linodior2649 chest development, pure belting. Good example for a belter with core is Shirley Bassey, massive projection and ring and pure chest engagement. Think of core as belts having a strong center. Shirley can project unmiked because of her chest development
I think it's very fun how you used Taeyeon 3x in a row on the same line - it's such a great demonstration of variation in both development and condition, also showing the same vocalists in different contexts as well.
I appreciate how often you include great vocalists in the bad and decent categories - we all have off days, whether we're sick or tired or just a little off and that can show up in our singing. Case in point: The Taeyeon D5 section!
The domination of 2nd gen idols in great belting lol. King and Queen of Kpop vocalist idols : Kyuhyun and Ailee One of the best male vocalist in Korea : Park Hyoshin Best vocalist among Korean singer : Sohyang and there's almighty Taeyeon and Sandeul also. What a great pick
love love love the taeyeon clips for D5. same singer, same song, different vocal performance, for various reasons. doesn't mean she's an awful vocalist, doesn't say anything about her vocal training, but wonderfully showcases how our abilities, though trained and polished, can still not make us perform great on our off-days. great video, as always, thank you for being an educational voice in our community
I can't be the only one who thinks when DK belts, he's like a full chocolate. Like the sound it's round, full and also really sweet. Also shoutout to that Jiu Demian clip, i love when DC material let her sound more metal
It's his smooth voice that made me interested in seventeen 😏 Apart from how his voice sounds I just LOVE how DK's voice is used in seventeen tracks. His parts always highlight his voice quality very well.
The lady at 7:57 is magnificent. I felt like the floodgates of heaven open. Such power and resonance. I was genuinely like "Alright, good video" as I approached F5, but when it arrived on Sohyang, I was on the edge of my seat.
The KIOF shoutout at the end… I KNOW THAT’S RIGHT!!! I find it crazy how HYBE seems to refuse giving their idols/soloists proper vocal training (and hire competent *voice teachers* )… like there are roughly 5 “good” vocalists in the whole agency 😭
KIOF, from a nonexistent company, being better than Hybe’s entire (homegrown) stable of vocalists is definitely an indictment of the company and its priorities… it makes them tons of money, but it’s frustrating for those of use who hopped onto the kpop train in the late 2000s and were accustomed to a basic level of singing ability being required for the person billed as the main vocal.
thoughts and prayers for taehyun and heeseung, the poor guys are struggling. but also shame on their labels for having all that money in their pockets and still putting it in anything but a vocal coach.
I really like how you use Wendy's bad and great belts. As her fan, I'm not gonna lie to myself and say she did great when its obviously not. She tried and even though the turn out was not she was hoping for, it doesn't take away the fact that she's still one of kpop's best vocalists. Looking forward to when you recreate this video and see her climb to decent F5. I know she'll get there. 😌
LOVE that you compared the same note from same artists on different performances : shows that it is what it is and context ALSO matters sometimes : a performance. Consistency will bring us many good performances in a row, and that's a key aspect in defining what a good vocalist is. One cannot be a good vocalist if they only produce one good note once in their career.
Lily>Haewon>Ningning>Yunjin>Rora>Liz>Miyeon= Belle=Rami >Hanni> Elisia=Seowon There isn't much material for 5th gen yet but they sure have decent vocalists
What I really like about this channel is the creator is very objective. I know for a fact that Lia and Jeongyeon are two of his biases but he doesn't mind putting in clips showing them not at their best. Showing delulu fans that you can like your biases but also be critical of them.
First of all, since you talked about how vocal technique has it's limits I want to say that while SoHyang is the absolute queen of high notes sometimes I think she would get a (-) or even (???) in musicality if this was evaluated like the vocal runs series. Secondly, I highly suggest you include Shinee's Jonghyun high note in Lucifer's bridge because it covers a lot of the characteristics mentioned when talking about belting. That moment includes: great technique, it is about ten seconds long, it sounds effortless and passionate, and for the cherry on top he adds a well controlled vibrato in the middle of the note
I can’t help but wonder if Siyeon’s vocal qualities and style make it sound worse than it is. I don’t claim any proficiency in singing, and I certainly LOVE her voice and love what she brings to Dreamcatcher. But I also know we regularly talk about her vocal struggles, but also I see consistency in how she sings, which then makes me wonder if it’s a weird stylistic thing that’s contributing to the sound. Just some idle speculation! Wonderful video as always ❤
I was just thinking about the same thing! All of her high notes I've heard from her lately have the same sound to them. They sound very hoarse and like she's barely able to get it out, but, amazingly, she still does and holds it pretty well, too. Like, I wonder if she decided to change her style of singing to try and include grit or fry in it. If that is true, she should still take some vocal lessons for that. Using distortion without technique is a quick way to permanently damage your vocal cords.
@@mentalmaker03 it’s been 15 years of singing and 7 of touring, she is absolutely fine and it’s a stylistic decision. She’s consistent because it is a choice she is deliberately making. SuA had nodules in 2018 so DC is very aware of needing to maintain good vocal health.
@@AileeTheQueenofVocals ATEEZ Jongho And MONSTA X Kihyun Are Only Average In Vocals But No Their Fans Thinks They Are The Best Main Vocalist They Are Only Good In 4th Generation But In 2nd Generation Or 3rd Generation They Are Not That Good And One More Thing Is That Jongho Fans Thinks He Can Compete With Legendary Vocals, Jongho Fans And Kihyun Fans Won’t Accept That Both Jongho And Kihyun Are Only Average! Nothing About Their Vocals Are That Impressive!
@@AileeTheQueenofVocalswe said jongho is the best vocalist in the 4th gen only, we never said he's the best vocalist ever. kihyun and keeho are not overhyped, they're just good singers but they're not TOO good yk
I appreciate the inclusion of Jongho in bad and decent. As an atiny myself, i think it’s important to be realistic - he undeniably has a beautiful, powerful voice, and even at his worst it sounds decent, but pretending that his technique is perfect is just delulu, and honestly, belting as often and as forcefully as he does, doesn’t bode well for his long term vocal health…also, he’s far from the only member of ateez that can hold a nice tune, and treating him like a one trick belting pony and giving everyone else lackluster parts doesn’t do him or the others justice
Thanks for including Hyeri and Luna! Second gen truly was kpop at its peak (at least in term of live performance). Love my girl Tiffany but she's always been such a hit or miss. Lol at Taeyeon vs herself
@@strawberryinsomnia9188 not making excuses for SM, since I think they are partlu responsible for a bunch of theese, but there were a lot of things going against f(x)'s way one after the other: Sully's 'scandals', Victoria making big money in China, Crystal still in contract with them while everything went down with Jessica, both Amber's and Luna's solo projects underperforming (which it's a pity, beacause 'Free Somebody' is a great mini)
I'm glad 2nd gen idols here, you rarely include them in your videos. I wonder if you're ever gonna make videos about them (specifically, like the 4th gen ranking for example). Also, some of them I haven't seen yet like 2ne1, T-ara, 4minute, Afterschool...I'd love to get your opinion on their vocals.
1:10 Was so surprised to see u include eunji!! Not bc I don’t think she’s a great vocalist (far from that actually), i just don’t often see people mention her anymore, especially now that apink’s international presence has slightly diminished. She is certainly one of the most proficient vocalists in kpop tho!!!! Some of the most reliable live vocals in the industry.
6:19 I love this You see even king Taeyeon can make mistakes and have problems in her sing 😅 Sugestion: Talk more about TVXQ (the 5) analysis each one because they 5 are legends ❤ I think this group was to powerfull to be in one group 😊 I would love to see your opbion about 😀
it’s little the difference tho. Sometimes the audio quality and distorsion plays a huge role in this, and kpop stans will always die for a note that is more reverb than good technique
Agree. I'd use some of Taeyeon's C5s and C#5s for "great" belting (even though they're not really that unbeatable as some people think, they have more than enough for the concept of this video). Taeyeon was never really consistently open above or below that area, iirc. C5/C#5 is where she takes off.
@NickiandOlivia Though people now have finally started talking about her decline, I feel like she's never had the kind of consistency that would warrant all the praise she got, lol. If people were only willing to actually critically assess the full breadth of available material, they'd notice she's always been oddly shaky for someone hailed as "high P." Of course, SM bias and all that, so we won't be seeing that conversation anytime soon.
Dragging Siyeon is crazy, because she has better technique. Crazy 🙄💅. And Siyeon slayed the E5 you just hate Dreamcatcher, because 1. Siyeon wouldn’t be chosen to re sing the ost start over if she was bad. 2. She wouldn’t be ranked pretty high as one of the best main vocalists in kpop if she was bad. And Siyeon wasn’t the one to go to surgery to get stuff removed that was SuA
@@PieonaneunFlower always when he releases these kinds of videos I watch purely to check if he finally recognizes her vocal talent/gives constructive criticism how to improve... But this time again he just tells us "she bad 😘". And that with a clip which to me sounds almost identical (if not better) than the "great vocal technique" clip of the same note... It at least is fun to read the comments about it 😂...
Yeah, every artist has an off day and you can't expect them to sing that well all the time. But for me, SM artists show more consistency in their vocals, even though it may be less than ideal, just because of the vocal training they've gone through. I do think SM artists have the best artists in terms of singing technique and clarity in the vocals.
I wish this channel stepped outside of the Big 4 more because BUILD UP - the survival show built on the hook that Kpop loves good vocals (lol) - has so much worth digging into. Some absolutely powerhouse talent but also lots of good and bad choices when it came to belting, harmonies, et al. Also Wendy was a judge!
Thanks for including JiU. People forget she’s the 2nd best vocalist in the group just because Yoohyeon and SuA gets louder parts. But that’s a stylistic choice made by the producer. JiU has a more lighter vocal tone than Yoohyeon and SuA, hence why she’s dubbed the Queen of Bridges. Because her vocals is tone is very melodic. But that just the color of their voices. Technique wise, JiU has always been the healthiest.
JiU isn’t outstanding, per se, but she’s competent and consistent and has a lovely color and tone and that’s frankly rare in its own right, in the context of kpop.
Jiu is up there but second? She’s probably 4th, but Dreamcatcher has good vocals. They’re just healthy because Sua had to get nodules removed back in 2018
edit: nvm i see taeyon! tbh idk if there's any vocalist that would fit this, but seeing the two jungho's in the g4, would it be possible to make a video with bad, decent and great belting but on the same note and with the same singer? would also help dispel the myth that improvement isn't possible
I always wonder if there could be more Shinee on these lists….I know you’ve talked about taemin in other videos but key, onew and jonghyun also do their share of belting. Did I miss some Shinee instalments? :,)
He loves including Dreamcatcher, but especially through out of context clips to convince his audience that Siyeon (and now Yoohyeon too) has terrible unhealthy technique sad face Like, sure, choose the deliberately compressed note from Maison and the encore with the in ear malfunction as an example of their terrible “regression”. It’s unfortunate that people fall for it
@@strawberryinsomnia9188 i would love to read or listen to an updated version of a dreamcatcher vocal analysis because why does siyeon always sound so good yet people say her technique isnt great. do you have a recommendation? i mean i dont only listen to dreamcatcher and i could guess almost all the colours for the clips in this video except for siyeon. so am i supposed to believe shes just good at hiding her not so great technical skills all these years? id be satisfied if this channel hears her sing why did you come to my home, reason, bonvoyage, and deja vu live and release an updated professional opinion.
She’s actually an amazing singer but it’s her technique because she does sing more rock so in order to not damage your vocal cords she has to use a different technique rather than a technique most kpop idols use. And she can do different genres, listen to her song Start Over it’s a more heavier song than the original but it shows her talent or listen to their other songs because DC has other genres and the person that posts these choose clips that make her seem like she’s bad
I've been streaming Midas Touch❤. Absolutely love the vocals. It reminds me of Britney Spears early production mixed with Cheetah Girls vocal style 💃🏽💃🏽 .
My vocal range ends at f5 😂 I loved that you put different clips if the same singer, the taeyeon one especially showed that even the greatest singers have bad days and get sick
I really like your videos, keep them coming cos imma watch them!🖤Would love to see you include western artists again in your content though, especially with the technique comparison videos
I will die on the hill that if K-pop (both stans and the industry) would stop thinking MOST singing = BEST singing we would have idols doing well in a range that suits their talents and the songs. But no it's always "but that high note" so we have all this painful grasping for notes to largely disastrous results
Because Jongho And Kihyun Fans Thinks That They Are Good Enough To Compete With Many Legendary Vocalists And I Agree Both MONSTA X Kihyun And ATEEZ Jongho Are Overrated Vocalists 2nd And 3rd Generation >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4th Generation In Vocals NMIXX And AESPA Are Good All Of Them Can Support
It was a good examble and it clear who had trouble and who was singing from a well supported place. I'm interested to hear an analysis of the four vocals of BtoB but from a newer exambel
Damn your foot stays on poor Taehyuns neck and you want him to pull out a decent note?!😭🤣 But fr I'd really like to see a compilation of Taehyun actually hitting a note correctly bc on all these bad, decent, and great compilations of yours I haven't seen him get off the Red category.😩 Also happy to see Huening Kai's singing is improving, that F4 was very nice.😊
If we're being real, Taeyeon is just about as in "danger" as Wendy is lmao. The only ones not absolutely schooled by Sohyang and Park Hyoshin is probably Kyuhyun, Lee Haeri and maybe Ailee (a maybe for her cause her recent performances are pretty rough)
Que tristeza ter que apontar sempre o óbvio: é um vídeo de análise vocal, não uma pessoa aleatória querendo dar hate no seu artista favorito. As pessoas ficaram tão doentes com a idolatria que qualquer comentário já estão levantando suas armas em direção à cabeça de quem não tem nada a ver com isso.
hi! i'm not sure if this has been covered already (i'm sorry if it has) i would really enjoy it if you could consider talking about super junior's vocal line esp their K.R.Y. unit as you covered Chen, Baekhyun and D.O in a previous video! i've always been astounded by kyuhyun's vocal in particular. thank you :)
Yoo Hwe Seung of N.Flying can belt really powerful high notes with emotion but I have never seen you mention him in your videos. He is my bias. His singing is amazing. He and his group deserve to be more known. Could you please add him in your next videos about vocals?
