Sad thing about Astarion is that he's lying. He basically tells you verbatim that he's not sure if he'll be able to be intimate for a long time. If you do end up being intimate with others (like w/ him in the brothel) he dissociates and doesn't have a good time. He's also pretty insecure about you sleeping with Halsin
@@katie5998 Is there a version in the brothel group scene where Astarion doesn't dissociate? Thought that always happens. Astarion is physically there for it but not mentally while Gale is not physically there but is mentally there.
@@sirus804 No, you're correct it always happens regardless of how his personal quest ends, the only difference is the variation, sorry if I was unclear on that. Acended he's a bit colder, as a vampire-spawn it's more obvious he's not happy. There a difference if you go to the brothel before his personal quest. If you do this, he tells you that he's uncomfortable and doesn't want to and the scene doesn't happen. I think he only agrees after his personal quest because he wants to believe that Cazador--the center-piece of his sexual trauma--being gone will have changed how he feels about it. It doesn't.
Honestly Karlach staying with you is the most heartbreaking thing to me, she's so desperate to be loved that she can't leave someone who doesn't respect her.
Seriously. As far as I know there is no dialogue option where she breaks up with you, no matter how mean you are in this encounter. You can break up with her, but she won’t end it.
I think its bc early in your relationship she gives you an option for it to be an open relationship and so considering its possible for the two of you to never confirm its exclusive she may realize that being open may have been permission to do it even though it was the 1 person shed rather you didnt with
@@lokiserpentem8534I don’t think it was an open relationship as such though was it? More an opportunity to bang someone else before you got serious with her to put it bluntly
Agreed, and I think there's something that a lot of people are missing when they're wondering why Larian made Karlach 'forgive' the player: she's utterly desperate to hold onto the connection she has. she knows her days are numbered and that number is coming up quickly; she's hurt and aching and betrayed all at once, but you, the player, are the one shining beacon of what her hopes and positivity were funnelled into. Karlach isn't forgiving the player because it's what she wants to do, but rather because she has no choice if she wants to see any more good in the world for the few days she has left to walk it. I find her forgiveness of these characters to be equally - or even more - heartbreaking than the ones that ended the relationship.
Dude. I'm going to do it with my Destroyer run through. Just some girl whose sole purpose is to kill and destroy everything she comes across in every crappy worst decision ever way. Why? She was scorned and now hates the world and everything in it.
@@alvarodiazrodriguez2603 nah the trick to playing an edge lord run is not to play as Durge but as Tav. It’s more fun that way, sure you don’t get the option to eat Gales arm or kill everyone, but you can still be an asshole 🤷♀️
@@kiterafrey yeah I think Halsin is the only one who would be like “why didn’t you invite me to join”, the rest of them are hurt by this, even if they don’t outright say it
@@elenalizabeth Halsin actually told me no when I said he should've been there on my 1 non-Astarion run. He said, "Some experiences are meant just for you to enjoy." And then said something like "You deserve discoveries anew" only the first part of his statement stuck. I thought it was sweet.
@@advantius"Killing and eating babies? Yeah, I do that on a day that ends in y, but cheating on Wyll with the one who has his soul in a vice grip? By Bhaal, now that's going too far even for me!
She also knows just how sick and twisted the devils are at lies and manipulation. Both Karlach and Wyll should be fully aware of this and to me it makes sense why they should actually be more forgiving/understanding of it. At the very least if you pick the right dialogue options. At the end of the day it's a role playing game, the point is not the best or most effective outcome but the way you explain your own character's actions through those dialogue options.
I didn't really like her logic of, "She works for Zariel so she's pure evil." So did you, Karlach, so did you and you did horrible things following orders too. Yes, Karlach had it much worse than Mizora but it's not like Mizora is free from Zariel either. What would happen to Mizora if she defies Zariel? It's not that simple.
@@sirus804it actually is pretty simple because mizora straight up tells you how much she loves avernus while karlach constantly tells you how she'd rather die than go back. Mizora may not be serving zariel completely of her own will but she likes what she does and is undeniably evil
@@sirus804, Karlach literally told you that Mizora is part of Zariel's inner circle BY CHOICE. That's very different from being taken as a child, having your heart replaced, and being thrown in the Blood Wars where hesitation will get you killed.
@@mustsnip537 She got mad about this sort of stuff in my last playthrough, I'm not exactly sure what triggers it but there is something that will cause her to not be cool with sharing.
@@coops1992 That's not evil, it's just taking advantage of a bad situation, and getting something mildly worthwhile out of being pacted to a half-devil babe.
Btw if you ever see a "Continue" option, it means you're not seeing the conversation choices you're supposed to. You gotta save/reload for them to load properly.
Whaaaat? I just assumed it was a break in long dialog. I did a few times feel like the conversation took a turn after clicking that! They're replying to something I didn't know I said? That sucks.
He disapproved of me not helping Wulbren and siding with Barcus which I thought was weird and had to of been a bug, It just seems really out of character for him to support siding with what is essentially a terrorist.
@@ColonelBragg apparently making a certain choice to finish his primary mission in act 1 can cause him to harden and become more ends-justifies-the-means (aka less heroically good) which would make sense as both a consequence of that major decision and him supporting wulbren instead of barcus. if he didn't do the thing in your run then i imagine it's just an oversight
For the guys who can't read between the lines, Shadowheart was freaking furious. Get her some flowers before the next long rest, or kiss your lil old buddy goodbye.
Maybe with the first thing she said, but the second statement she made had it seem like she wanted attention too, not like she was mad that Tav did it with someone else. Also, she was cool with the drow twins as well, it all points to her not necessarily being super exclusive or jealous.
At first, she was annoyed that Tav would do it behind her back without even checking on how she'd feel about it, but I didn't really do much else to keep her liking me after that and she was totally cool. I think you're reading it wrong
@@gabrielov8027 When Shadowheart gets defensive, she says what she doesn't mean. At first she tries to manipulate MC into feeling guilty. She does value loyalty, and pointing out a swan is better at it is a clear jab into you conscience. She brings up the way she was raised as a reason why she shouldn't be jealous. It's like saying "my manners don't allow me to tell you go fck yourself".
@@user-li5cr6wv5b she fell back on shar so often through out the game. I mean as a way to dismiss the idea that she deserves happiness. Or just gave the party line, despite feeling differently about something that was said or an action. For her to then bring up that she expects it cause that's how she was raised as a sharaan, that stung for me. And I've only seen the video, Ive turned mizora down in my playthroughs. Yeah she will get with the drow twins, but she is also asked. Same with halsin. The way she responded to mizora, it was like she was hurt but she came to expect that behavior so she accepted it. Which would make me feel like an even bigger pos
I'm not gay, but Gale is my boy, hurting him like this hits deep. I could never bring myself to do such a thing. Even the Drow threesome, where he just dips out, hurts to watch.
Out of all the females, Laezel really seems the most hurt by it. Which is surprising for someone who claims not to believe in love. She clearly does, but doesnt want to adopt the concept in name.
By that point, you have completely turned her entire world on itself. You've shattered everything she's ever believed in and completely changed her outlook on life. During all this, you were her anchor. You were next to her when she began suffering the worst fate imaginable to her people: being infected by a mindflayer. You were there when her own people turned on her. You were there, standing next to her, as she spat in the face of the being she used to consider an actual god. Now, by doing this, you've destroyed the only true connection she has left. She finally learned what it was like to feel and to love, and you ripped away the one person she felt comfortable expressing this to.
Minthara Reaction: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vyNLQZNRd7Q.html She is currently still broken without the "debug book" mod 00:00:00 - Shadowheart 00:02:36 - Karlach 00:05:00 - Lae'zel 00:06:28 - Gale 00:08:06 - Halsin 00:09:30 - Wyll 00:11:33 - Astarion 00:12:50 - Default Wyll Non Romantic
I really, REALLY love not only the fantastic voiced dialogue but the way that casual betrayal locks you out of certain relationships. Noone does "Your choices have consequences" like Larian. Which reminds me: thank you SO MUCH to Naughty Gaming for posting for us scenes that I could never bring myself to do. ^_^
Love the Wyll disapproves in every single one. You'd think they'd have made it so those show up before or after cutscenes, but of course BG3 is a flawless masterpiece.
Maybe, it’s because I chose to romance her in my solo playthrough, but the Lae’zel one hurt a lot. She’s gone her whole life without knowing love or tenderness, and when she finally opens herself up you just spit it in her face.
@@ChromaticEagle everyone who says this has no idea who his character is. He himself hints at and even says that sex means nothing to him because he's had to use it as a means to an end; it's even implied in the first scene where your character can make a remark about "It seems like you weren't all there." It's because sex for him is a form of manipulating people into liking him to lure them back to Cazadore; and now that he doesn't have to do that, it's just simple fun and nothing more. He's not putting on a front because of PTSD, he just genuinely doesn't care because he doesn't think it's important.
@@MCSPARTAN501 Of course it does. He was tortured and violently abused for 200. FUCKING. YEARS. His PTSD is going to seep into EVERYTHING he does. Which it does. That doesn't mean it's the sole reason he's comfortable with an open/poly relationship. Open and Poly relationships are real and normal and don't only exist as a result of trauma, i don't understand why people see the two sources of poly representation and immediately start blaming it on their trauma. They're traumatized because it makes for a good story, and being Poly expands on that story and who they are as an individual because it's interesting, not because it's a result of the trauma
To be honest, i don't think Shadowheart just ok this that, she seems upset to me about what happened, she just pretends that everything is fine. Really ok with this it's Halsin and Astarion
Agreed, it felt like she accepted it because that's what she was taught. (And we all know how well the sharrans taught) But she was also hoping for something different from the MC. Something better or more. Like she thought more of the MC and was disappointed. But be them twin drow or devils, I could never make these choices lol
@@trh3xa174 I know but I'm not too keen on sharing my fictional love interest with some npc... so yeah. The twins weren't bad, I just prefer her lighter route, and for me it didn't really fit. I am a romantic and I like the idea of shadow finding the type of love she never got while with shar. Which means no cheating for my character lol I think if I put this much thought into my last real relationship, it wouldn't have ended poorly 🤔
@@Dactess Well it's not really "cheating" since she's there for the 4-some though. When I did the twins in one playthrough they asked her to be in it and she wanted to be in it as well.
@@trh3xa174 pretty sure if she is with you, you can only do the foursome. I mean the MC isn't allowed to just go off with one of them. You can only partake with her involved. I believe. I didn't really focus too much on it in the game. So I guess her response of "if you're fine with sharing, I am." Fits her attitude. With mizora, you go behind her back. So I felt she was hurt by that. Still, after all the bs her character goes through, I feel she deserves the fairytale ending with a loyal partner that shows her real love and not that sharran bs. So as I said, no drow or devils for my character. As for naoise, I don't know how to classify that encounter. But that is just how I played.
Astarion can pretend to take it in stride all he wants, but we all know that that tourtured, tramatized boi was actually gutted and probably didn't want to say anything in fear you'd leave him bevause he didn't know how to say "no" 😆😭
I think Shadow Heart is BSing there to hide the hurt. In her Shar path, she talks about how they were forbidden from having relationships or even flings with each other because Shar demands your whole heart. She basically frames having relationships/ courting as something you have to trick and twist Shar's words and your own perspective on the action to excuse. So one of her stories aint right, and I'm guessing it's this one and not the path where she tells Tav that what they have can never be called love and resorted to using desecrating a Selune statue with the blood of the Night Song as an excuse to fuck Tav without Shar getting pissed.
Because game doesnt have different path answers for Selune and Shar Shadowhearts. Sharran will refuse you but you can still keep kissing her like Selune path. They didnt worked on that.
I will say that if you choose the one along the lines of “come on, don’t tell me you haven’t thought about her” with Gale, it leads to some fantastically heartbreaking dialogue AND a savage Gale burn
Karlach's reaction is heartbreaking for me. If you romance Karlach, she's holding onto you for dear life, her heart and trust already torn to pieces by Gortash's betrayal and what felt life a lifetime of torture in the hells. Cheating on her with Mizora, the one who came specifcally to retrieve her for Zariel, is one of the worst things you could do to her; but, despite all of that, she still desperately holds onto you, because she knows if she lets go, there's no ground at the end of that fall.
Really need someone do actually do this romance as the Wyll origin character, would be curious how it changes and the unique dialogue leading up to it.
I plan on working my way through all the origin characters. Will probably take me some time though. It took me 6 months to do all my Mass Effect Legendary Edition videos
I got 3 romance scenes back to back, SH telling me she wanted to spend the rest of her life with me, the Emporer trying to flirt with me and Mizora trying to get into my pants. It was an interesting evening for my Tav lol
Same thing happened - Mizora approached me and I agreed but then the Emperor scene triggered instead (so I did that), next long-rest was the Halsin-bear scene (so I did that), and then I finished Astarion's personal quest and *he* had a long-rest scene (so I did that), and THEN I took him and Halsin to the drow twins... and we did that... and finally, only after my guy had started seriously sleeping his way through Faerun, the Mizora scene triggered. After that he moved on to Haarlep lol. But you're saying you got them on separate long-rests or the same one? That would be hilarious if you could get it all in the "same" night lmao.
Karlach's is the most sad of the 3 options that I would pay any attention to. Shadowheart cvcked out. Lae'zel said "you hurt me, and we cant make it better" in the best way a Gith female can. I'm curious as to Minthara's response ?
Like, to me, even shadowheart seemed more upset then what was let on. She accepted it because that's what she was taught, but at the same time, she acted like she wanted it to be different or she wanted more from the mc. Or it's as simple as it was, she just wanted to know beforehand. I feel karlach just didn't want to lose what she has been wanting for so long. At least that's how I explain her not sending the MC to the streets if they did this. Same with laezel, she was blunt enough. Choice leaves me feeling bad for all but yeah it is royally f*cked up to do this to karlach
@@Dactess I was being a combination of facetious & provocative (y'know internet) as it relates to Shadowheart. In full earnestness, its clear that Shadowheart was bothered -- probably safe to just say "hurt". Most of us innately want to feel that we're special enough to lock down someone we like into a dedicated relationship. When we think that (committed relationship) may be the case, and the other person does something to show us we were wrong in that assumption, it stings. I think the full view in Shadowhearts case, is that she was hurt, but doesn't want to make the demand of commitment or walk off -- as Lae'zel did. Because she either more fears being without someone, or because her self worth tells her that she cant lock a somewhat decent person down. I draw these conclusions based on what we see of Shadowheart as a person from the entire game experience. Lae'zel has a high sense of self worth & self respect. So when you cheat on her, shes hurt but cant accept allowing herself to be treated that way -- so its over.
@@insertnamehere8121 I didn't take it as an insult or anything, just assumed you meant she was fine with it. But I agree with your take and you did a far better job wording it than I did. After seeing most of her story, this and the light hearted twin conversation just didn't sit right with me. Gave me the impression that she felt she had to accept certain things so she wouldn't lose the mc. Same with karlach. Maybe.
Oof, that Lae'zel scene breaks my heart. She's my romance, and the one I did NOT anticipate getting into. I'll make sure to tell Mizora to kick rocks if she pops up trying to hit on me lol. I just recently had the lovers duel scene, so that sad "Source of my bruises" line here just broke me.
And of all of them, he's the only one that genuinely is just cool with it. Astarion is jealous, and he hides it behind acting like he wanted to participate, but I think underneath he's just jealous period. Shadowheart says it's okay, but I think she is still hurt. Halsin though, his only reservations with it are WHO it was, but he isn't upset just concerned a little. I love how not only is Halsin just absurdly forward, every other character makes comments about him. Dude is just a magnet.
@@Lord_zeel astarion's reaction is a bug, this dialogue is tagged as 'vampire lord' in the dev notes, if he's not ascended, the game often bugs out, because spawn astarion's reaction never made it into the game (hoping we'll get a definitive edition with all the cut content some day)
I did not expect that from laezel. Feel so bad for her :/. Karlach broke my heart. I tried it with shadowheart just to see the reaction and she was kind of passive aggressive and felt bad. She's somewhat more understanding but you can tell she thinks you're a dirt dog now lol I reloaded. Mizora is just a sh** stirrer hahahah
I was with Wyll and wanted to see what would happen and I literally couldn’t get through the dialogue it made me feel so bad I reloaded a save mid-confrontation
I feel like they needed to give Mizz a better personality if they wanted her to be actually tempting. Like is she for the players that get off on the factual knowledge of imminent regret?
i have minthara and wyll in my party and just got to the mizora asking me to bed part, unfortunate that i cant find out what happens, probably gonna save and reload to see the outcome but not actually cheat on my minthara
I like Shadowheart's response. She's only mad we didn't tell her. I mean she's fine with non-monogamy and open relationships, clearly. But she wants to KNOW about it when you sleep with someone and that's pretty reasonable, I think.
The Lae'zel betrayal hurts the most. Seeing when she opens up to you then betraying her like that. Couldn't be me. Didn't care about the other companions though. No Minthara though :(
People say Shadowheart is cool with it but she’s really not. Just like with the Drow twins, she clearly doesn’t want to share you. She’s just used to relationships being open. If she wasn’t bothered she wouldn’t have said what she said.
My Karlach didn't like it, but understood the idea. If it wasn't Mizora, she wouldn't had minded as much. She was more so upset it was Mizora than anything, cause personal history.
The fact that Karalach doesn’t even leave you, but will make you feel terrible for disappointing her is brilliant. Like that hurts way more than when they’re just angry and break up with you 😭
Just saying but I think the only person who is genuinely truly ok with this is Halsin. Shadowheart is extremely upset (not because you bed someone else but because you didn’t talk to her about it) and Astarion is putting up a front.
astarion's reaction is a bug, this dialogue is tagged as 'vampire lord' in the dev notes, if he's not ascended, the game often bugs out, because spawn astarion's reaction never made it into the game (hoping we'll get a definitive edition with all the cut content some day)
I wanted to see what happens if I cheat on wyll with her then I told him it’s because he’s not putting out. I never felt more awful. I reloaded the previous save and it never happened but I know. I’ll always know. Mizora was right, it’s for forever.
out of all of the ones that dump you im surprised Karlach doesn't, well at least it doesn't seem like she does from this dialogue. seriously though out of everyone she is the ONE with the longest history with Mizora that would id say lead to her not just dumping you but ditching the group altogether
Lot's of rly stuuupid ppl here think that cheating is okay, it is NEVER "okay". Even if your soulmate says that they dont mind cheats - they do mind, quite a bit. They are hurt, and probably have been hurt for a long time, they are broken from the trauma that they suffered long ago.
especially shadowheart, she still mentions the worst thing in her life as the reason for not caring about it, obviously she cares and is upset, she just alleviates it to stay with tav, if the protagonist never proposes polygamy or betrays her never do
@@anonimos5533 yep, but I was more talking about real life, in game tho I don't care, I try to tap every girl that moves;) In immortal words of commander Shepard: "Making Hard Decisions And Owning Females - That Is What Being Leader Is About. We land, get females, and leave before anyone changes their mind." Aka. "Well Bang, Okay?"
Halsin is what Uncle Joey Diaz would call an old school gay, "no rules mothafucka just write your name on the stall and what time you'll be there" lol god bless that lifestyle its truly liberating, I'm jealous
Lmao "you slept with someone else? Well im gonna sleep with you even harder because I'm not jealous" Shadowheart is not a character she's a "cool girl" fantasy
Cheating on Wyll with Mizora is so evil thing, especially with her. After everything she did to him, how she hurt him through the years, how she ruined his life, he still has to face the fact that the person he trusted so much and loved so much slept with her. It's really heavy and probably the most evil thing that could be done to him. Besides, I think that no matter who Tav cheated on with Mizora, the devil definitely made sure the entire camp knew about it, especially Tav's partner. She just wants to hurt them and cause trouble. And it's not surprising, considering how she treats Wyll and the fact that she is a devil. More, about Astarion I think his reaction comes from fear of losing Tav during his break from intimate things. He is very insecure and fragile about this sort of thing what make sense beacuse of his past, so he doesn't want to put Tav on a leash so that she/he stays with him. However, looking at his entire personality from the beginning of the game, I think he would prefer Tav to wait until he recovers from everything he has been through and returns to intimate things when he is really ready (in game, I think this happens after defeating Cazador, on the cementary). And Karlach... it's really heartbreaking that she forgive Tav after night with Mizora. She is so afraid of losing her life and her loved ones that she forgives someone who showed her such disrespect. But on the other hand, she showed a really great understanding for Tav. Karlach is amazing character. Last thing, I know in games player can romance with NPC, break up with NPC etc. but this game allows the player to be a manipulative asshole in romances storyline, especially in Astarion's romance story. New change, new choices, I kind of respect that in this game 😅
I literally only did it because the character that's gotten that far is with Shadowheart and I knew she'd be okay with it (since we were also with Halsin). I couldn't imagine giving in if I was with Karlach or Lae'zel. Shit, i had to break up with Lae'zel right before she could confess feelings, because I didn't have the strength to break her heart officially, and knew she wouldn't share
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